PDA

View Full Version : How much RWHP will it take ?



David Neibert
06-06-2008, 10:30 AM
Just for the sake of discussion, how much rwhp do you guys think it would take to run a 9.70 in my 91 SC ? Weight is around 3900 lbs.

David

PS: I believe it was making about 540 rwhp when it ran 10.68

ricardoa1
06-06-2008, 10:36 AM
Team David is up to no good.

CMac89
06-06-2008, 10:39 AM
Once you get around 10.50s area, it takes about 10rwhp per tenth until you reach around 9.90s, then it's 15rwhp. If you were to keep the converter you have and throw more HP at it, then it'll flash higher and make it run a little quicker, too. It would take at least 650rwhp with traction.

That's calculators aside, because they don't work well. Too dynamic of a situation.

Mike8675309
06-06-2008, 10:44 AM
Calculated HP for your run before is between 633hp and 667hp. Actually having 540 tells me traction issues. So I'll stick with traction issues and say your trap speed is gonna need to go up to hit your ET as traction won't get much better.

So doing some ratios, I'll say you want a 9.7 at a 155 trap speed which throws out about 830rwhp to meet that. Say between 700 and 800 for sure.

Total math goofing around. You really have to assume little to no traction unless you're gonna do some launch control stuff with the computer and boost controllers.

David Neibert
06-06-2008, 10:54 AM
With 3.73s and a 27" tire in 3rd gear (1:1 ratio) ...what's the most mph I could get at 6600 rpms assuming no converter slip or tire diameter increase.

David

Nettlesd
06-06-2008, 11:01 AM
15 rwhp. Do I win?

CMac89
06-06-2008, 11:05 AM
It'll be 140 plus or minus one.

seawalkersee
06-06-2008, 12:19 PM
Is it not going to require more HP since it is a heavier car (than those which the rules usually apply)?

Chris

Mike8675309
06-06-2008, 12:36 PM
1:1 ratio with 27" tire at 6600 rpm and 3.73 gears is 142.18. Go up to 150mph and you're at 6962rpm.

What's your overbore? Stock stroke? Rod length? I'll run some numbers to tighten up the HP guesses. Is that weight with you driving, or no one driving. Should we assume a really skinny guy or gal? oh and a torque number would be helpful with that HP number you had.

and what is your typical 60foot ET and mph?

David Neibert
06-06-2008, 12:46 PM
1:1 ratio with 27" tire at 6600 rpm and 3.73 gears is 142.18. Go up to 150mph and you're at 6962rpm.

What's your overbore? Stock stroke? Rod length? I'll run some numbers to tighten up the HP guesses. Is that weight with you driving, or no one driving. Should we assume a really skinny guy or gal?


Bore is .030 over stock, stock stroke with 5.9" rods. Weight is just a guess to get in the ballpark.


David

Mike8675309
06-06-2008, 12:53 PM
I loaded up base Tbird settings, and you're close enough, so we'll call it Revised Guess. Using your ET and HP from the prior run, I figure a 60ft time of 1.5.
My calcs say you should have had 680hp to hit that previous run. So that shows me how off they are.
So I plug in the 9.7et with the same setup for 60 ft and say what HP is necessary for that, and how Fast is that.

Using a ratio, if you had 540hp and the software said 680hp, and it now says 844hp, that means you may just need 670hp and your trap speed would be about 136.

So we'd want to see a time slip from you for 9.7 @ 136 and a dyno sheet showing 640hp. You can pull it off.

that includes 3.25% converter slippage.

With your gears and tires, you would hit 137/8 right about 6400 rpm.

David Neibert
06-06-2008, 01:02 PM
This calculator seems to be a lot closer than others I've seen.

http://www.modulardepot.com/hpc.php


My turbo car has a race weight of 4250 lbs and ran 133 mph with tires spinning pretty bad in 1st and 2nd gear....at that same boost (18 pounds) mustang dyno showed 688 rwhp and calculator showed 679 rwhp.

David

Mike8675309
06-06-2008, 01:10 PM
plug in the 137 trap speed and you get about 660hp.

So if you really want that 9.7, you're gonna need to improve traction a lot. and increase hp to somewhere from 640-700rwhp or drop some serious weight.

getblown
06-06-2008, 01:20 PM
700, give or take 10hp. By the way incase you didnt notice, your insane for making that much in your tbird.:cool:

jOe

David Neibert
06-06-2008, 01:25 PM
plug in the 137 trap speed and you get about 660hp.

So if you really want that 9.7, you're gonna need to improve traction a lot. and increase hp to somewhere from 640-700rwhp or drop some serious weight.

Mike the 91 had good traction on the 10.68 pass and race conditions were ideal. I just mentioned the turbo car stuff to show the calculator's accuracy.

David

CMac89
06-06-2008, 02:00 PM
A car that runs 10.60's is A LOT more controllable than a car that'll run 9.70s. Different animal by far. With 33x14.5 drag tires and a 4-link it's difficult enough. That's trying to launch it at 4k off of a trans-brake and a 6200rpm converter, though.

David Neibert
06-06-2008, 02:48 PM
Calculator said I was making 569 rwhp to run 129 at 3900 lbs. I suppose it's possible that the car was either a little lighter than 3900 or the cooler weather produced more power, so again the calculator shows to be pretty accurate.

According to same calculator to run 137 at the same weight I'll need 682 rwhp :eek:

David

Mike8675309
06-06-2008, 03:07 PM
Calculator said I was making 569 rwhp to run 129 at 3900 lbs. I suppose it's possible that the car was either a little lighter than 3900 or the cooler weather produced more power, so again the calculator shows to be pretty accurate.

According to same calculator to run 137 at the same weight I'll need 682 rwhp :eek:

David

Eggsactly.... thus if you want to hit your 9.7... you need more power or less weight, or probably both. Note that I did figuring a 1.5 60ft.

bigpoppa822
06-06-2008, 04:03 PM
Dave, didn't you already get booted from a track from running too quick without safety stuff?

David Neibert
06-06-2008, 04:26 PM
Dave, didn't you already get booted from a track from running too quick without safety stuff?

Yeah...both my cars got booted the same night. I could probably convince them to let me race the 91 if I took out the nitrous bottle and they haven't seen the 93 go any quicker than 11.40 @ 125, so I could probably get it back on the track too.

I could do most of the testing needed in the first 1/8 mile and coast for the second half of the track, because they mainly watch your 1/4 mile ET & MPH. If I'm going to try going any quicker in the 1/4 mile than what they have already done, I need to do it at another track like KilKare or during a private track rental.

David

Miller
06-06-2008, 04:52 PM
do work team david, do work

David Neibert
06-06-2008, 05:05 PM
do work team david, do work

Miller...thanks for the tip. Everyone knows planning is the hard part. Once I know how much power I need I just have to DO IT !!

David

Want2LearnTBIRD
06-06-2008, 05:42 PM
Team David,

If you do accomplish this significant feat will you be able to share it with the rest of the community. Maybe some videos and details of your path to a 9.7 run?

Or will this be a secret project for your team to see only?

-Eric

the-big-e
06-06-2008, 06:04 PM
Forget HP numbers and calculations.....

SRB's will get you there.....

SRB - Solid Rocker Boosters....:p

dwayne
06-06-2008, 11:03 PM
might better take the glad stretch trash bags-in case of -K-BOOMMMMMM.

90MN12
06-07-2008, 03:21 AM
Would Like To See Both Vehicles.

David Neibert
06-07-2008, 10:23 AM
Would Like To See Both Vehicles.

Here are a few of the 91....I'll have to look a little harder for video of the 93.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ZC57DGP2BKI

From 2007 Shootout...spinning tires bad.


http://youtube.com/watch?v=JM-4qUVKgrA

10.68 pass



http://s6.photobucket.com/albums/y207/racecougar/Car%20Vids/?action=view&current=Neiberts91SC2-27-08.flv

Dyno testing after new exhaust installed (no nitrous).



David

frdlvr30
06-08-2008, 09:10 PM
Casey,
What exactly is an "Indomitable Pink Striper"????

David,

More bottle and more fuel should take care of your new quest, if it will hook that is.

patragz22
06-08-2008, 10:18 PM
nice videos Dave, car got some balls, big ones too.

David Neibert
06-08-2008, 11:08 PM
nice videos Dave, car got some balls, big ones too.

Thanks, but that's the slow car. I know the track numbers don't show it, but the 93 is much faster and it scares me nearly everytime I drive it...(in a good way) :D

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32963&d=1212947522

David

David Neibert
06-08-2008, 11:12 PM
Casey,
What exactly is an "Indomitable Pink Striper"????

David,

More bottle and more fuel should take care of your new quest, if it will hook that is.

Casey,

I think I'm pushing my luck with the nitrous now. Don't really see it making much more power unless I switch to a turbo.

David

Phillio99
06-08-2008, 11:19 PM
3.4L
http://www.whipplesuperchargers.com/product.asp?ProdID=1234

95badbird
06-09-2008, 10:00 AM
David, I'm sure you know, as others have said, sropping weight will definately get you there.
I'm guessing you are wanting to keep the interior stock as possible?

David Neibert
06-09-2008, 10:25 AM
David, I'm sure you know, as others have said, dropping weight will definately get you there.
I'm guessing you are wanting to keep the interior stock as possible?

Not really interested in doing what is needed to drop the weight by 800 lbs. but I might ditch the AC since I almost never use it...(still blows ice cold :cool:).

David

Micahdogg
06-09-2008, 11:07 AM
David, was the pass side seat in the car on that 10.6 run?

David Neibert
06-09-2008, 11:33 AM
David, was the pass side seat in the car on that 10.6 run?

No...passenger side seat along with the spare tire, jack and floor mats were removed.

David

90MN12
06-09-2008, 01:46 PM
Don't really see it making much more power unless I SWITCH to a TURBO.

David[/QUOTE]

if u ditch the AR for a bigger turbo, would love to buy that from you.

David Neibert
06-09-2008, 02:05 PM
Don't have any plans to ditch the AR at this time, but if I did, I think a pair of Rotex C30s might be a better choice than turbocharging.

http://www.rotrex.com/

David

Mike8675309
06-09-2008, 02:24 PM
Don't have any plans to ditch the AR at this time, but if I did, I think a pair of Rotex C30s might be a better choice than turbocharging.

http://www.rotrex.com/

David

FYI... A single C30 in the smallest size, if the spec sheet is accurate can achieve a mass flow rate of 34.39 (lbs/min). That means about 20psi each.

David Neibert
06-09-2008, 02:34 PM
FYI... A single C30 in the smallest size, if the spec sheet is accurate can achieve a mass flow rate of 34.39 (lbs/min). That means about 20psi each.

Mike,

According to the Rotex website, if plumbed in parallel, the pair of C30s should support 800 HP, and should have just as much boost at low rpms as a twin screw.

David

Micahdogg
06-09-2008, 02:39 PM
Bout time to try one of those butt turbos like Chance has.

Ira R.
06-09-2008, 03:34 PM
Just for the sake of discussion, how much rwhp do you guys think it would take to run a 9.70 in my 91 SC ? Weight is around 3900 lbs.

David

PS: I believe it was making about 540 rwhp when it ran 10.68

GO TEAM DAVID!!


Ira

David Neibert
06-09-2008, 04:01 PM
might better take the glad stretch trash bags-in case of -K-BOOMMMMMM.

pap,

Keep being negative and I'm gonna be removing your name from the official Team David Jr. College Girls Gone Wild calander list.

David

nickleman60
06-09-2008, 04:13 PM
pap,

Keep being negative and I'm gonna be removing your name from the official Team David Jr. College Girls Gone Wild calander list.

David

PAP? We all know who it really is.........................:rolleyes:

Miller
06-09-2008, 04:34 PM
iv spoken to pap on the phone, and going with my better judgement , I think its safe to say he is in JimboJones. His southern accent is so thick, he might be this guy http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/rt_redneck3_070709_ssh.jpg
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Dave, Do work.

XxSlowpokexX
06-09-2008, 04:41 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-E46-Active-Autowerke-Rotrex-Supercharger-330_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33741QQihZ011QQitem Z320260042140QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

38 series used BMW kit

CMac89
06-09-2008, 06:41 PM
OOOORRRRR you can put a bigger blower on it. At 2.00 drive ratio, the second gen Whipple will make 20psi. That isn't very much HP to drive the blower at all.

Nettlesd
06-09-2008, 08:29 PM
PAP? We all know who it really is.........................:rolleyes:

I'm sure you are referring to Jim, and no, Pap is a whole different person. Pap sent me his contact information and his phone number so they are different people.

dwayne
06-09-2008, 10:27 PM
iv spoken to pap on the phone, and going with my better judgement , I think its safe to say he is in JimboJones. His southern accent is so thick, he might be this guy http://a.abcnews.com/images/US/rt_redneck3_070709_ssh.jpg
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

Dave, Do work.

nope,sorry bout your luck miller, i have more hair than the guy in the picture.I am ONLY 46 but I am an old hippie. Harley riding redneck .Wife says i look like Bill Ray Cyrus---mullet and all. She even braids it for me , grew it down to my a$$.

Miller
06-09-2008, 10:35 PM
lmao...nice..

anyways back on topic. sorry team david

dwayne
06-09-2008, 11:42 PM
lmao...nice..

anyways back on topic. sorry team david

MILLER im to old to know what this texting is you young folk do.spell it out.

David Neibert
06-10-2008, 08:23 AM
MILLER im to old to know what this texting is you young folk do.spell it out if you got the guts.

Please stay on topic...

The topic is more rwhp for Team David and what's the easiest way to get some.

David

dwayne
06-10-2008, 09:35 AM
OK-But I still want the G.G.W. Calender.:D

David Neibert
06-10-2008, 10:21 AM
OK-But I still want the G.G.W. Calender.:D

Okay, but you have to promise to behave.



By the way, I just read an article on the dangers of heavy drinking.....

Scared the crap out of me :eek:

So that's it !! After today, no more reading ;)


David

90MN12
06-10-2008, 11:44 AM
Read about someone selling fiberglass doors. Would that help u out much? If you don't already have them.

ricardoa1
06-10-2008, 12:07 PM
Bigger blower or turbo. And a serious Race gas tune. Along with weight mods.
You can always take your Wifes SRT and tinker with that and give her your car. ;)

David Neibert
06-10-2008, 12:28 PM
Read about someone selling fiberglass doors. Would that help u out much? If you don't already have them.

Just got the car repainted last year, so that isn't happening. I don't really want to do anything to the car except add more power.

I'm thinking a pair of rear mounted turbos feeding the AR with 4-6 pounds of boost at the inlet, bigger injectors, another fuel pump, some race gas and a little more tuning would probably be the easiest.

Plan B....do it with my 93 and claim that two plug wires were off.

David

XxSlowpokexX
06-10-2008, 12:39 PM
Bigger AR,,sell AR go turbo

David Neibert
06-10-2008, 12:44 PM
Bigger AR,,sell AR go turbo

I already have a turbo car....it's fun and it's fast, but the instant power and accelleration from the positive displacment supercharger (AR in my case) is not something I'm willing to give up on my 91. It's going to be difficult to fit a considerably larger twin screw, but not impossible.

David

bigpoppa822
06-10-2008, 12:53 PM
Throw one of those 3 liter Blowzilla Whipples on there and try not to shoot the heads into space.

XR7 Dave
06-10-2008, 01:01 PM
I think all you need is a better tune.

David Neibert
06-10-2008, 01:04 PM
Bigger blower or turbo. And a serious Race gas tune. Along with weight mods.
You can always take your Wifes SRT and tinker with that and give her your car. ;)

Ricardo,

Since putting the new exhaust on her car, she really likes it. So it dosen't look like I'll be getting it anytime soon.

David

David Neibert
06-10-2008, 01:07 PM
I think all you need is a better tune.

Awesome....this is gonna be even easier than I thought.

David

CMac89
06-10-2008, 02:26 PM
Get some Rockett Brand 118 race fuel (www.rockettbrand.com) and put a serious tune on that. That would be for the strip, of course. Another option would be upgrading injectors and going to E85.

A fresh motor with a bit more compression doesn't hurt either. Also, I recall you randomly losing some power whenever you were playing around with the MPIII, or something? If I'm not mistaken, you've been contemplating a rebuild for a few years now because of that?

Micahdogg
06-10-2008, 02:34 PM
I Am Very Excited To Be Here. This is excited, what you are doing.

kenewagner
06-10-2008, 03:09 PM
I already have a turbo car....it's fun and it's fast, but the instant power and accelleration from the positive displacment supercharger (AR in my case) is not something I'm willing to give up on my 91. It's going to be difficult to fit a considerably larger twin screw, but not impossible.

David

Kenne Bell has an H series 2.6 blower designed for higher PSI boost, requires less HP to run. With a choice of diffrent snout lengths it could be made to work
http://www.kennebell.net/superchargers/H_Series/H_Series.htm

Ken

ricardoa1
06-10-2008, 03:27 PM
Looks like all they are doing is closing up the exit port to increase compression ratios. Can the same principal be applied to the ARs that Dalke made for you guys.

Ira R.
06-10-2008, 03:34 PM
Plan B....do it with my 93 and claim that two plug wires were off.

David
You know, as long as everyone is being serious about this then why not go to Plan C ?? If one AR with 20lbs of boost is good, then two must be better.

Pull your AR and install it in series with mine, then do it in my '95 and claim you did it :eek: :D :p


Ira

XR7 Dave
06-10-2008, 03:38 PM
Get some Rockett Brand 118 race fuel (www.rockettbrand.com) and put a serious tune on that. That would be for the strip, of course. Another option would be upgrading injectors and going to E85.

A fresh motor with a bit more compression doesn't hurt either. Also, I recall you randomly losing some power whenever you were playing around with the MPIII, or something? It was all in the tune. I was learning how to tune at David's expense. Well, and Magnum Powers, and ESM. I made them all look bad. But it's ok to talk about it now. :cool:

Ira R.
06-10-2008, 03:40 PM
It was all in the tune. I was learning how to tune at David's expense. Well, and Magnum Powers, and ESM. I made them all look bad. But it's ok to talk about it now. :cool:

So with all this twin turbo stuff out there for us to compete with, can you tune a car with twin AR's? :rolleyes:


Ira

XR7 Dave
06-10-2008, 03:44 PM
So with all this twin turbo stuff out there for us to compete with, can you tune a car with twin AR's? :rolleyes:


Ira

No, but I can tuna fish. :eek:

bigpoppa822
06-10-2008, 03:45 PM
So with all this twin turbo stuff out there for us to compete with, can you tune a car with twin AR's? :rolleyes:


Ira

Now that's boost stacking.



Put one of those freight train blowers on it like that guy with the pro street Camaro.
"I blipped the throttle, and it blew both head gaskets"

Toms-SC
06-10-2008, 04:04 PM
Team David,

I'm still holding you to our non-binding contract of dibs on your AR. :)

Team Wannabe

(Seriously, how about some nitrous?)

David Neibert
06-10-2008, 04:36 PM
Get some Rockett Brand 118 race fuel (www.rockettbrand.com) and put a serious tune on that. That would be for the strip, of course. Another option would be upgrading injectors and going to E85.

A fresh motor with a bit more compression doesn't hurt either. Also, I recall you randomly losing some power whenever you were playing around with the MPIII, or something? If I'm not mistaken, you've been contemplating a rebuild for a few years now because of that?

Casey,

After checking or changing nearly everything on the motor including the cam and still not finding or correcting the problem...we finally started monitoring boost levels and found that belt slip was the real problem. I experimented with varoius belts, coated rotors and bought an MP 10% crank pulley but didn't have time to install it and ended up selling it along with all the MPIII related stuff when I switched over to the AR.

David

neverfastenough
06-10-2008, 06:13 PM
hey Dave, you ever think of just making a track car? Your AR car is very good looking and in nice shape, not somthing you want to pull weight out of or hack up....Why not buy a crappy SC and swap your drivetrain into it, and shave alot of weight? Then throw a 300rwhp or so engine into the current AR car. So youd have one crazy fast turbo car, one crazy fast AR car, and one to turn heads and drive through town a few days a week. Just a thought:rolleyes:

David Neibert
06-10-2008, 11:48 PM
hey Dave, you ever think of just making a track car? Your AR car is very good looking and in nice shape, not somthing you want to pull weight out of or hack up....Why not buy a crappy SC and swap your drivetrain into it, and shave alot of weight? Then throw a 300rwhp or so engine into the current AR car. So youd have one crazy fast turbo car, one crazy fast AR car, and one to turn heads and drive through town a few days a week. Just a thought:rolleyes:

Yeah I've thought of making a track car only....then I quickly dimissed it as a bad idea. No offense to those who have gone in that direction, but I enjoy driving my cars on the street way too much to do that. I don't even want to do the NHRA safety stuff beyond what is required for running 11.50. If I wanted a track only car, I'd probably build a Mustang.

David

frdlvr30
06-10-2008, 11:57 PM
[QUOTE=David Neibert;747252 If I wanted a track only car, I'd probably and build a Mustang.

David[/QUOTE]

Definetly a cheaper alternative

Micahdogg
06-11-2008, 10:03 AM
All David needs to do is line up a deal on rear mount turbos and I'll tag along with him. I think it would rock.

David Neibert
06-11-2008, 11:31 PM
All David needs to do is line up a deal on rear mount turbos and I'll tag along with him. I think it would rock.

Well...I do have v-bands holding the mufflers on, so it's not like I would have to totally trash the new exhaust system. Dan has been wanting to add a pair of turbos to Kathy's Charger, but I'm sure he wouldn't have any problems fitting them to my SC instead.

Wonder what it would do with the turbos feeding the AR about 5 pounds of boost at the blower inlet ?

David

Micahdogg
06-12-2008, 12:57 AM
I think the power would be significant. My concern is more about already being at 20psi. What will peak boost become and is there any chance of it running on pump gas. BTW, I don't think you'll need two turbos....just one should be plenty for what we're talking about.

Are you talking about "y" ing the turbo inlet somewhere after the MAF?

Want2LearnTBIRD
06-12-2008, 01:11 AM
hmmm, yes, quite interesting.

David Neibert
06-12-2008, 12:00 PM
I think the power would be significant. My concern is more about already being at 20psi. What will peak boost become and is there any chance of it running on pump gas. BTW, I don't think you'll need two turbos....just one should be plenty for what we're talking about.

Are you talking about "y" ing the turbo inlet somewhere after the MAF?

Micah,

Two smaller turbos would look better and just sounds cooler when you say "twin turbo". If doing it, I would mount the two turbos and wastegates where the mufflers are now using the STS layout and join the output pipes from them together and snake a single 3" diameter pipe up to the front of the car and attach to the MAF. The turbos would be the mufflers and the wastegates would vent excess exhaust directly to atmosphere. I would place a blow off valve a couple feet before the MAF and let it vent to atmosphere. Oiling for the turbos would come from the motor and a scavenging pump would return it to the rocker covers by teeing into the oil fill spout.

Problems: MAF would need to be upgraded to a blow thru style similar to what Chris Wise is using on his car. Fuel system (injectors, pump & lines) would probably need to be larger. Having the air filters near the rear tires may cause problems in wet weather. Finding a place to run the 3" pipe from the turbos to the MAF may prove to be the most difficult part.

I have no doubt that doing this will increase the power considerably and I think the motor can handle it, but only if I ditch or reduce the amount of nitrous. To make any meaningful increase in power I would need to run it on higher octane race fuel. So for everyday driving on 93 octane the gains would be minimal or I may actually lose some power.

It's all doable, but I don't really think it's something that's worth doing just for the sake of trying to beat a car that I'm, not certian even exist. Feels alot like getting into a bidding war with myself.

David

Jacob_Royer
06-12-2008, 12:09 PM
More NOS??????????????????????

Mike8675309
06-12-2008, 12:16 PM
Wonder what it would do with the turbos feeding the AR about 5 pounds of boost at the blower inlet ?


Look through this thread:
http://www.eng-tips.com/viewthread.cfm?qid=174690&page=1

You'll see that if you are at 20PSIg right now, adding 4PSIg from the turbo would be calculated as:

AR Pressure Ratio = 2.36 ((20 + 14.7) / 14.7)
Turbo Pressure Ratio = 1.272 ((4 + 14.7)/14.7)

2.36 * 1.272 = Total Pressure Ratio of 3.0

At a pressure ratio of 3.0 you will be at 29.4PSIg (3.0 * 14.7 - 14.7) at the outlet of the blower (assuming for 100% VE)

That assumes you can find the right turbo to sustain that pressure ratio.

Note that at 30PSIg, you're gonna be getting close to the 700 rwhp number.

David Neibert
06-12-2008, 03:52 PM
Mike,

That may not be enough. Looks like Jim has raised the bar yet again. Don't know what he ran this time, but "record shattering" sounds pretty quick to me. I may have to skip the 9s and go straight for the 8s to keep up with this guy.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100044

David

Mike8675309
06-12-2008, 04:48 PM
That's the beauty of twin charging. If the turbo can get you 4psi at peak rpm, it probably can get you 8 psi as well with a little adjustment of the waste gate.

Drop some valvetrain weight and run the rpm's up a bit more to get 22psi from the AR, and 8psi from the turbo.

42psi at the intake manifold. Just find a way to keep the heads buckled down.

nickleman60
06-12-2008, 04:50 PM
Mike,

That may not be enough. Looks like Jim has raised the bar yet again. Don't know what he ran this time, but "record shattering" sounds pretty quick to me. I may have to skip the 9s and go straight for the 8s to keep up with this guy.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=100044

David

As always, NO PROOF.............:confused:

David Neibert
06-12-2008, 05:05 PM
As always, NO PROOF.............:confused:

Jims word is proof enough for me ;)

David

90blkbrd
06-12-2008, 05:54 PM
He had to do 1 of 4 things:

1 get his car up to spec
2 let someone else drive his car
3 took a chance at losing his racing license
4 making it up

XxSlowpokexX
06-12-2008, 06:16 PM
You can spend the cash on the AR and add a turbo or two...Ill add just a turbo and for much less money and complications..Go faster.

I seriously dont see the point..As if we have traction at low RPM;'s anyway that we need anymore power there then a blower or turbo alone can provide

Toms-SC
06-12-2008, 06:22 PM
Team David,

I would like to sponsor your team with an unlimited amount of beer if you are able to achieve a 7 second run this summer.

XR7 Dave
06-12-2008, 07:23 PM
Team David,

I would like to sponsor your team with an unlimited amount of beer if you are able to achieve a 7 second run this summer.You apparently have no idea how much beer Team David can drink.

Either that or I have no idea how much $$ you have! :o:D

Ira R.
06-12-2008, 08:32 PM
Team David,

I would like to sponsor your team with an unlimited amount of beer if you are able to achieve a 7 second run this summer.

Anyone know where to put in the application to join Team David?? Beeeeer!! :D


Ira

Kurt K
06-12-2008, 09:07 PM
You apparently have no idea how much beer Team David can drink.
What he said.:D

David Neibert
06-13-2008, 12:07 AM
Tom,

That would actually cost more than building a 7 second car....this team can really work up a thirst doing pretty much nothing. If we actually do something, the consumption levels are shocking.

David

Miller
06-13-2008, 12:09 AM
Tom,
.this team can really work up a thirst doing pretty much nothing. If we actually do something, the consumption levels are shocking.

David

if thats the pre-requisite to be on team david, I am vice president.

mannysc
06-13-2008, 02:00 AM
Jims word is proof enough for me ;)

David

have i told you lately that I love ya!

david your a true sportman if anyone can give jim a run you certainly have the best chance I rooting for you just like I root for jim two great men among SC racers
some day ill be there just not in this life time

Pablo94SC
06-13-2008, 04:02 AM
I can bare witness to Team David's drinking ability. In fact, I think he alone can rival my beer drinking abilities! GO TEAM DAVID!!!

XR7 Dave
06-13-2008, 07:40 AM
Please keep this post on topic. This is serious business, lots of money invested and sponsorship discussions here.

Ira R.
06-13-2008, 10:03 AM
Please keep this post on topic. This is serious business, lots of money invested and sponsorship discussions here.

Indeed. But I thought sponsorship had already been arranged. Isn't that what the rumored merger with Budweiser was all about??


Ira

Micahdogg
06-13-2008, 10:34 AM
Micah,

Two smaller turbos would look better and just sounds cooler when you say "twin turbo". If doing it, I would mount the two turbos and wastegates where the mufflers are now using the STS layout and join the output pipes from them together and snake a single 3" diameter pipe up to the front of the car and attach to the MAF. The turbos would be the mufflers and the wastegates would vent excess exhaust directly to atmosphere. I would place a blow off valve a couple feet before the MAF and let it vent to atmosphere. Oiling for the turbos would come from the motor and a scavenging pump would return it to the rocker covers by teeing into the oil fill spout.

Problems: MAF would need to be upgraded to a blow thru style similar to what Chris Wise is using on his car. Fuel system (injectors, pump & lines) would probably need to be larger. Having the air filters near the rear tires may cause problems in wet weather. Finding a place to run the 3" pipe from the turbos to the MAF may prove to be the most difficult part.

I have no doubt that doing this will increase the power considerably and I think the motor can handle it, but only if I ditch or reduce the amount of nitrous. To make any meaningful increase in power I would need to run it on higher octane race fuel. So for everyday driving on 93 octane the gains would be minimal or I may actually lose some power.

It's all doable, but I don't really think it's something that's worth doing just for the sake of trying to beat a car that I'm, not certian even exist. Feels alot like getting into a bidding war with myself.

David

Are you trying to spend a lot of money in the process :) The nice part with me having a single exit exhaust is I have room for days on the other side for a turbo and for some of the preliminary piping. And contrary to you thinking it's cool to say you are twin turbo, I wouldn't be so pumped to say I have a twin screw, and two turbos and I'm only making 450 RWHP :)

That is all I'm really after, another easy 50 RWHP or so. So back to the boost...what do you think my peak boost would become if I wanted to jump from the 380's to the mid 400's? I'm guessing my only chance at being pump gas friendly is to incorporate some kind of meth injection.

David Neibert
06-13-2008, 12:48 PM
Are you trying to spend a lot of money in the process :) The nice part with me having a single exit exhaust is I have room for days on the other side for a turbo and for some of the preliminary piping. And contrary to you thinking it's cool to say you are twin turbo, I wouldn't be so pumped to say I have a twin screw, and two turbos and I'm only making 450 RWHP :)

That is all I'm really after, another easy 50 RWHP or so. So back to the boost...what do you think my peak boost would become if I wanted to jump from the 380's to the mid 400's? I'm guessing my only chance at being pump gas friendly is to incorporate some kind of meth injection.

Micah,

I think you can get real close to what your looking for with the blower you already have, better heads, more agressive cam, bigger injectors, KB boost a pump and meth injection.

David

90blkbrd
06-13-2008, 12:55 PM
Micah,

I think you can get real close to what your looking for with the blower you already have, better heads, more agressive cam, bigger injectors, KB boost a pump and meth injection.

David

Naw...just a bigger TB would do it. ;)

David Neibert
06-13-2008, 12:59 PM
You can spend the cash on the AR and add a turbo or two...Ill add just a turbo and for much less money and complications..Go faster.

I seriously dont see the point..As if we have traction at low RPM;'s anyway that we need anymore power there then a blower or turbo alone can provide

Damon,

You are probably correct about making more power with a turbo alone, but that would be harder to fabricate and require a lot of work under the hood.

David

Jacob_Royer
06-13-2008, 01:46 PM
Maybe you could talk jim out of one of his superspin top secret m90's? :)

David Neibert
06-13-2008, 02:35 PM
Biggest hold up for Team David now, is figuring out what number we need to beat :rolleyes:

The good news is that since the competition's latest run was done during a track event, the track photographer will have taken a few pics of the Silver Bullet...so we will finally get to see it doing one of those wheels up launches. Just keep a lookout in the photo section of the Drag Racing tab.

http://www.sacramentoraceway.com/

David

392Bird
06-13-2008, 05:10 PM
We can get you there Dave. Just use this.

http://www.accessconnect.com/images2/10176_small.jpg


:)

David Neibert
06-16-2008, 12:59 PM
:confused:

So far...getting a photo of the Silver Bullet in action from any of the track photographers (four differnt guys) isn't looking very good. This guy photographed the event, but I don't see the car I'm looking for.

Just to be sure I emailed him and the other guys a picture of the car....waiting on a response.

http://www.dragmonkey.com/cpm/thumbnails.php?album=101&page=3

David

Micahdogg
06-16-2008, 03:26 PM
Your negativity is bringing down the SCCoA David. Here a guy does something great and all you can do is give him a hard time. Maybe you are jealous that you didn't paint your car silver when you had the chance? Or that you didn't upgrade to a M90? I know Turbo Supra guys who are installing M90's because of their supperior flowing capabilities. They are going from the 600 RWHP range to 700 RWHP just by tossing those turbos and getting with the Eatons.

David Neibert
06-16-2008, 03:56 PM
Your negativity is bringing down the SCCoA David. Here a guy does something great and all you can do is give him a hard time. Maybe you are jealous that you didn't paint your car silver when you had the chance? Or that you didn't upgrade to a M90? I know Turbo Supra guys who are installing M90's because of their supperior flowing capabilities. They are going from the 600 RWHP range to 700 RWHP just by tossing those turbos and getting with the Eatons.

Team Note: :mad:

Team David is going to pretend we didn't hear that, we are professional and very sporty when it comes to racing stuff. First rule (learn it, live it) is to know your competition.

David

Toms-SC
06-16-2008, 07:52 PM
Team David,

Due to your lack of support for the SCCoA and its members the offer of "free beer" has to be withdrawn. Please consider this a learning opportunity.

David Neibert
06-16-2008, 10:31 PM
Next team meeting at Pinks All Out on June 27-28 at Gateway International...be there or be square. All SCCoA members and freeloaders welcome.

David

90blkbrd
06-16-2008, 10:46 PM
Is Team David competing or watching while using your sponsorship liquid?

David Neibert
06-16-2008, 11:31 PM
Is Team David competing or watching while using your sponsorship liquid?

We plan to use this event to gather some impressive names we can add to our team roster, and maybe even get a few timeslips. We haven't nailed down any sponsors, so no free drinking yet.

David

David Neibert
06-17-2008, 12:43 PM
Got this back from one of the track photographers earlier today. It's not the car I was looking for, but it's still very cool.

http://www.printroom.com/ViewgalleryPhoto.asp?userid=trackphotog&gallery_id=1034961&image_id=74

David

Seuss
06-17-2008, 03:02 PM
Looks stock to me :) Well, other than the paint...

Miller
06-17-2008, 05:11 PM
Dave, Im going to the summer nationals this sunday up at e-town. Casey is going to be racing in it. Im going to take some of his timeslips and post them up as my own. You have some real competition now, as I will be the first 6 second sc

Micahdogg
06-17-2008, 05:11 PM
So that's what Jim's car looks like these days. Huh.

89XR7TD
06-17-2008, 05:45 PM
Too bad it's white and very stock looking:D
No wheels up launch there:confused:

Tom

Toms-SC
06-17-2008, 05:55 PM
So that's what Jim's car looks like these days. Huh.

Street car man, no problem.

al35thsc
06-17-2008, 06:50 PM
Dave, Im going to the summer nationals this sunday up at e-town. Casey is going to be racing in it. Im going to take some of his timeslips and post them up as my own. You have some real competition now, as I will be the first 6 second sc

don't forget to get someone to say they called the track and verified you were running that day and had an M90...

I'm in for team David! I'll even bring 5 30 packs of the BL. I don't know what you guys will be drinking though.:D

Miller
06-17-2008, 06:53 PM
don't forget to get someone to say they called the track and verified you were running that day and had an M90...

JEALOUS

Team ~~~-R

David Neibert
06-17-2008, 09:29 PM
Dave, Im going to the summer nationals this sunday up at e-town. Casey is going to be racing in it. Im going to take some of his timeslips and post them up as my own. You have some real competition now, as I will be the first 6 second sc

Awesome...if that doesn't work out, you and Casey are welcome to join TDR.

David

PS: Team Post Script ....Team David has changed it's name to Team David Racing which will now be abreaviated to "TDR" because it's too much to type with one finger.

Young-SC-Owner
06-17-2008, 09:48 PM
Can I join TDR?:(

I cant buy alcohol, i dont smoke, my car isnt fast..
But i can cheer for you:D And will you make hats for everyone?

racecougar
06-17-2008, 11:11 PM
Next team meeting at Pinks All Out on June 27-28 at Gateway International...be there or be square. All SCCoA members and freeloaders welcome.

David

I'll meet up with you guys at the TDR afterparty at the TDR garage to drink the TDR beer. :D

-Rod

CMac89
06-17-2008, 11:27 PM
Can I join TDR?:(

I cant buy alcohol, i dont smoke, my car isnt fast..
But i can cheer for you:D And will you make hats for everyone?
No solicitors.

Young-SC-Owner
06-18-2008, 08:24 PM
No solicitors.

Dont hate me because im beautiful:(

David Neibert
06-19-2008, 12:16 AM
Can I join TDR?:(

I cant buy alcohol, i dont smoke, my car isnt fast..
But i can cheer for you:D And will you make hats for everyone?

Tony,

You live in Missouri, so your automatically qualified.

David

Pablo94SC
06-19-2008, 01:02 AM
Team Non-Mexican with a Mexican Name (TNMMN) supports TDR and all his efforts towards a 9s beer run.

David Neibert
06-19-2008, 07:45 AM
Team Announcment:

I shot my best round of golf yesterday. I only managed to get in the 80s twice ever (been hacking for over 10 years) and that was 3 or 4 years ago on a short local course that has since been turned into a housing development. I shot an 88 yesterday on an average difficulty 6200 yard course...which may not sound like much, but for me it's the equilivent of making a full weight SC run 9s.

TDR

Drozz30
06-19-2008, 08:00 AM
Team Announcment:

I shot my best round of golf yesterday. I only managed to get in the 80s twice ever (been hacking for over 10 years) and that was 3 or 4 years ago on a short local course that has since been turned into a housing development. I shot an 88 yesterday on an average difficulty 6200 yard course...which may not sound like much, but for me it's the equilivent of making a full weight SC run 9s.

TDR

Your getting closer by the minute. Save some of the TDR beer for me.

Ira R.
06-19-2008, 08:28 AM
Team Announcment:

I shot my best round of golf yesterday. I only managed to get in the 80s twice ever (been hacking for over 10 years) and that was 3 or 4 years ago on a short local course that has since been turned into a housing development. I shot an 88 yesterday on an average difficulty 6200 yard course...which may not sound like much, but for me it's the equilivent of making a full weight SC run 9s.

TDR

That's awsome!!

















.....got any video? when do you plan on posting the scorecard?? :rolleyes:


Ira

kenewagner
06-19-2008, 09:38 AM
That's awsome!!

















.....got any video? when do you plan on posting the scorecard?? :rolleyes:


Ira


Thats really funny:D:D:D

Ken

David Neibert
06-19-2008, 11:00 AM
That's awsome!!


.....got any video? when do you plan on posting the scorecard?? :rolleyes:


Ira


Sorry, no video but I'm sure the drink cart girl can verify my story.

David

Ira R.
06-19-2008, 11:17 AM
Sorry, no video but I'm sure the drink cart girl can verify my story.

David

Well, I guess if she turns in a copy of the receipt showing that you bought the first round that would be proof enough for me. :p

That is a great round of golf though. Not too many people out there break 90.
Congrats again!


Ira

neverfastenough
06-19-2008, 12:13 PM
David thats a really good round. Were you playing from the back tee's, I ask because it seems like a nice sized course at 6000+yds. Ive been tryin for three years on my HS golf team to break into the 70's, I usually break clubs instead. Ill stick with 80's since my clubs are now too expensive to be breakin:eek: We better get on track before this thread closes lol

Pablo94SC
06-19-2008, 01:16 PM
I called the country club and verified that a mature gentleman driving a white thunderbird sc did in fact shoot an 88. He also drank $200 worth of beer.

XR7 Dave
06-19-2008, 01:18 PM
I called the country club and verified that a mature gentleman driving a white thunderbird sc did in fact shoot an 88. He also drank $200 worth of beer.

Clearly not David Neibert.

Pablo94SC
06-19-2008, 01:28 PM
Clearly not David Neibert.

Well I didn't want to say "guy in his 50's with a little grey", now did I? ;)

Young-SC-Owner
06-19-2008, 01:35 PM
Tony,

You live in Missouri, so your automatically qualified.

David

Woot, Can you make my car run 9's too!

David Neibert
06-19-2008, 02:08 PM
David thats a really good round. Were you playing from the back tee's, I ask because it seems like a nice sized course at 6000+yds. Ive been tryin for three years on my HS golf team to break into the 70's, I usually break clubs instead. Ill stick with 80's since my clubs are now too expensive to be breakin:eek: We better get on track before this thread closes lol

Sorry...I can not knowingly tell a lie. Upon closer review of the scorecard it's seems that I have overstated the yardage. The gold tees are 6510, the blue tees are 6011 and the white tees that we played from are only 5594 :o

www.fallsgolf.com

The other course we normally play (Eagle Springs) is is about 6000 from the white tees and the one I played two weeks ago (Tapiwingo) was a little over 6200 from the blue tees. Not to make excuses, but distance isn't usually my biggest problem, it's the accuracy and I don't mean hitting a specific spot, I mean not going into the adjacent fairway, the woods or a friggen lake off the tee box or on the approach shot. But I'll be the first to admit, the shorter the distance, the easier it is to get on the green in regulation. Again...sorry for the error.

TDR (we may not be quick but we are honest)

PS: I'm still happy to finally break 90.

David Neibert
06-19-2008, 02:17 PM
Well I didn't want to say "guy in his 50's with a little grey", now did I? ;)

Hey Now !! I'm not really in my 50s...I just turned 50 back in October, so I'm actually closer to the late 40s. ;)

I'm at that akward age, where AARP sends me junk mail, but I'm not even close to being old enough to retire or to get a seniors discount.

David

nickleman60
06-19-2008, 02:18 PM
Sorry...I can not knowingly tell a lie. Upon closer review of the scorecard it's seems that I have overstated the yardage. The gold tees are 6510, the blue tees are 6011 and the white tees that we played from are only 5594 :o


The yardage gives you alot of respect for the pros who just played the US Open at Torrey Pines with the yardage at 7600 plus yards at it's longest and on Sunday I believe they backed it down to 7200 plus, still a longgggg ways.......;)

David Neibert
06-19-2008, 02:20 PM
The yardage gives you alot of respect for the pros who just played the US Open at Torrey Pines with the yardage at 7600 plus yards at it's longest and on Sunday I believe they backed it down to 7200 plus, still a longgggg ways.......;)

Yes...it certianly does. A 280 yard par 3 is insane :eek:

David

David Neibert
06-19-2008, 02:42 PM
:confused:

So far...getting a photo of the Silver Bullet in action from any of the track photographers (four differnt guys) isn't looking very good. This guy photographed the event, but I don't see the car I'm looking for.

Just to be sure I emailed him and the other guys a picture of the car....waiting on a response.

http://www.dragmonkey.com/cpm/thumbnails.php?album=101&page=3

David



Bad news...I heard back from the last track photographer this morning and it's a "NO" for any pictures of the Silver Bullet running at Sacremento during the Nitro Night of Fire. The other three photographers didn't cover the event.

TDR is back to square one, on trying to figure out just how quick this elusive car really is. Much like the Loch Ness Monster, the Silver Bullet is proving very hard to catch on film.

David

al35thsc
06-19-2008, 04:00 PM
Hey Now !! I'm not really in my 50s...I just turned 50 back in October, so I'm actually closer to the late 40s. ;)

I'm at that akward age, where AARP sends me junk mail, but I'm not even close to being old enough to retire or to get a seniors discount.

David

you think that's bad? I get it and I'm 28! Must be the whole my old man and I have the same name, but they even put my middle initial in it....odd.

Currently working on TDR stickers and a few mascots and trying to sue toyota for the whole Toyota Racing Development...I believe you to be older than they have existed so you get first dibs. Here is one of the mascots:

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/etzatlan/B33r-Doggie.jpg

Toms-SC
06-19-2008, 05:07 PM
Bad news...I heard back from the last track photographer this morning and it's a "NO" for any pictures of the Silver Bullet running at Sacremento during the Nitro Night of Fire. The other three photographers didn't cover the event.

TDR is back to square one, on trying to figure out just how quick this elusive car really is. Much like the Loch Ness Monster, the Silver Bullet is proving very hard to catch on film.

David

Perhaps you could contact the register to see if a 'Jim' was even registered at the event?

BLOWN38
06-19-2008, 05:35 PM
sorry.

Hope you get there david. although it prolly won't be enjoyable on the street if you get it that fast.

Pablo94SC
06-19-2008, 10:42 PM
Hey Now !! I'm not really in my 50s...I just turned 50 back in October, so I'm actually closer to the late 40s. ;)

I'm at that akward age, where AARP sends me junk mail, but I'm not even close to being old enough to retire or to get a seniors discount.

David

Hmmm... is it anything like being 12. Hair starts growing in funny places, people start to treat you differently... :p

David Neibert
06-20-2008, 12:37 AM
Let's keep this discussion within the posting guidelines and stay on the automotive topic of how much power it will take to beat an SC that is so fast, it can't be photographed :confused:

TDR

Micahdogg
06-20-2008, 01:05 AM
Let's keep this discussion within the posting guidelines and stay on the automotive topic of how much power it will take to beat an SC that is so fast, it can't be photographed :confused:

TDR

Careful David, that part about the SC being so fast, it can't be photographed can be interpreted as a violation of dot point 4 "no mockery" and dot point 6 "No speculation as to the motives...of a poster." However, you are fortunate that these violations are subject to interpretation by just a very few individuals. If there is a way that it could be interpreted as a violation or as being compliant, history tells us that you will probably be given some slack. Other people for instance, seem to get scrutinized very closely for some strange reason? For instance a recent post of mine where I applauded your competitive spirit (in regard to your car racing and golf game) strangely got deleted. Yet the forums are rampant with posting violations. Very strange indeed. Since I can't seem to figure out any rhyme or reason, I'm just offering a friendly reminder that you may want to read what you are typing twice, three times, even four times. Then prune prune away. Try to remove any shread of what could be interpreted as a posting violation. Because I have been a big supporter of this club for 10 years and I have seen enough destructive activity on these forums to know that it's not good for moral. The last thing I want to see is bs flourish on these forums. That would probably cause ill feelings among members. And that, could cause our administrators to be so tied up with moderating, that they may not have time for such things like updating numerous aspects of the site, attending SC related events, following through on plans of action, you know...generally expressing an enthusiasm for the mission of this site. then complacency would set in and basically all we would have is a forum where members are so disgruntled at the lack of leadership and low posting quality that the only way their voice could be heard would be to mock the same bs other people thrive upon. And that would pretty much suck if you ask me.

And disregard for the posting rules is just an open door for more abuse, so thank you for helping to preserve the SCCoA and for your efforts to keep this place clean.

Oh, T-birds rock.

Micah

David Neibert
06-20-2008, 01:21 AM
Careful David, that part about the SC being so fast, it can't be photographed can be interpreted as a violation of dot point 4 "no mockery" and dot point 6 "No speculation as to the motives...of a poster." However, you are fortunate that these violations are subject to interpretation by just a very few individuals. If there is a way that it could be interpreted as a violation or as being compliant, history tells us that you will probably be given some slack. Other people for instance, seem to get scrutinized very closely for some strange reason? For instance a recent post of mine where I applauded your competitive spirit (in regard to your car racing and golf game) strangely got deleted. Yet the forums are rampant with posting violations. Very strange indeed. Since I can't seem to figure out any rhyme or reason, I'm just offering a friendly reminder that you may want to read what you are typing twice, three times, even four times. Then prune prune away. Try to remove any shread of what could be interpreted as a posting violation. Because I have been a big supporter of this club for 10 years and I have seen enough destructive activity on these forums to know that it's not good for moral. The last thing I want to see is bs flourish on these forums. That would probably cause ill feelings among members. And that, could cause our administrators to be so tied up with moderating, that they may not have time for such things like updating numerous aspects of the site, attending SC related events, following through on plans of action, you know...generally expressing an enthusiasm for the mission of this site. then complacency would set in and basically all we would have is a forum where members are so disgruntled at the lack of leadership and low posting quality that the only way their voice could be heard would be to mock the same bs other people thrive upon. And that would pretty much suck if you ask me.

And disregard for the posting rules is just an open door for more abuse, so thank you for helping to preserve the SCCoA and for your efforts to keep this place clean.

Oh, T-birds rock.

Micah

Micah,

Thanks, the Yoda like wisdom you have shared is well beyond your years. I'll redouble my efforts immediately.

David

David Neibert
08-26-2008, 07:09 PM
Special team note:

After an exhaustive 8 month investigation, TDR has concluded the Silver Bullet has punked SCCoA.

More to follow.


David

Team Leader TDR

ricardoa1
08-26-2008, 07:14 PM
Did he hickup on his own IRS thread in the other forums...;)

racecougar
08-26-2008, 07:32 PM
David, great post, if there is anything I can do to help with TDR, you know where I am at.

Kevin Leitem
08-26-2008, 10:39 PM
Special team note:

After an exhaustive 8 month investigation, TDR has concluded the Silver Bullet has punked SCCoA.

More to follow.


David

Team Leader TDR

very very interesting, can't wait for the details.

Jim Demmitt Jr
08-26-2008, 10:46 PM
Enough is enough guy's

Your obsession with me has become a sickness over and over people get real tired of it real quick. I know Admin is tired of these type of threads that are nothing more than to start trouble why? No reason for it

Time to get a life guy's the world is not all about me

mywhite89
08-26-2008, 10:53 PM
So....whats he talking about Jim?

Jim Demmitt Jr
08-26-2008, 10:56 PM
So....whats he talking about Jim?


I have no idea and I dont care you can see looking through all my threads he is at me over and over like a kid wanting to meet the king but real jelious of me so he attacks thats a sighn of weakness

I am just tired of this on going BS of his and some others time to grow up and get over it or see a doctor

pro street rich
08-26-2008, 11:10 PM
Some time ago you talked about your car you were building...Maybe you should tell us all about it. You know I could take my two cars to the track, when someone looks they see the V6 but it is the big block that is making all the sub 10 passes....Could this be your neat trick?? You must admit you did talk about building that strocker FE some time ago...Food for the fire, or is it gas???..........Remember you were all over everyone else on this one........Rich

Jim Demmitt Jr
08-26-2008, 11:16 PM
Now you know why

David posted that as he new his thread would take off just like it is soon fighting admin locks it people get banned over stupid stuff like this. Open your eyes guy's we are adults not childern

"Same old deal it never changes" life and times of the SCCoA bet the new guy's enjoy seeing this

Young-SC-Owner
08-26-2008, 11:19 PM
Enough is enough guy's

Your obsession with me has become a sickness over and over people get real tired of it real quick. I know Admin is tired of these type of threads that are nothing more than to start trouble why? No reason for it

Time to get a life guy's the world is not all about me

Why dont you just tell everyone your mods?
Show us some pics??
Then maybe whoever it is would quit pestering you:rolleyes:

Why join a club, if everything you do is a secret and every pic you post is over 12 yrs old:eek::confused:

Jim Demmitt Jr
08-26-2008, 11:22 PM
I am not getting into it guys


Now you know why

David posted that as he new his thread would take off just like it is soon fighting admin locks it people get banned over stupid stuff like this. Open your eyes guy's we are adults not childern

"Same old deal it never changes" life and times of the SCCoA bet the new guy's enjoy seeing this

Young-SC-Owner
08-26-2008, 11:25 PM
So just let the cat out of the bag..duh

89XR7TD
08-26-2008, 11:32 PM
Why dont you just tell everyone your mods?
Show us some pics??
Then maybe whoever it is would quit pestering you:rolleyes:

Why join a club, if everything you do is a secret and every pic you post is over 12 yrs old:eek::confused:


By george I think he has a very good point there:eek::D:p

Tom

frdlvr30
08-26-2008, 11:40 PM
...........

Jim Demmitt Jr
08-26-2008, 11:43 PM
Why you dont see pictures and videos?

This very thread look through it slamming me always attacking negitive response my Et threads same. I get my car in the local news paper and the SCCoA responses made me feel sorry to ever represent this club "GET THE BRIGHT PICTURE" ????????????

Things change in a big way than BINGO you may get your wish. I said enough on this thread you all can keep on bickering talking trash its what this club does best it seams sad deal real sad to see

No more from me on this thread it should be locked soon anyway that seams to be the normal drill

mannysc
08-26-2008, 11:44 PM
i just had to chime in

Dont tell em a damn thing let them stay yrs behind. bunch of childeren thats why I try to stay away bunch of complainers look at any prostocker any true race car and its intake and other things are covered up .

let em see and they will try to de throne you.

now to crawl back under my rock sorry had to talk trash its a sccoa favorite past time

rtebeau
08-26-2008, 11:57 PM
jim, why not just ignore the people that you dont want to hear from? from what iv been reading thats what everyone else has had to do if they didnt agree with what someone says, why should the rules be different for you?
from what iv read this is just a bunch of guys just joking around with each other







pretty funny if i do say so myself haha

CMac89
08-26-2008, 11:57 PM
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Young-SC-Owner
08-26-2008, 11:57 PM
intake and other things are covered up .



Hell, id like to see the car....even covered up!!!
No one is trying to dethrone anyone.

Neibert is close to jims supposed ET and isnt afraid to show and tell.
Why try to be on top? Whats it worth? Self gratification?
Even if jim does run the times he runs. he has already crapped on his name, by his own doing.
Not saying he is a bad person at all, just saying that he should do one of two things.

1. Show and tell.
2. Quit preaching about how good his car is. Until he is wiling to PROVE he is doing it

Jim Demmitt Jr
08-27-2008, 12:03 AM
You know the Reason

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why you dont see pictures and videos?

This very thread look through it slamming me always attacking negitive response my Et threads same. I get my car in the local news paper and the SCCoA responses made me feel sorry to ever represent this club "GET THE BRIGHT PICTURE" ????????????

Things change in a big way than BINGO you may get your wish. I said enough on this thread you all can keep on bickering talking trash its what this club does best it seams sad deal real sad to see. No more from me on this thread it should be locked soon anyway that seams to be the normal drill with these deals last post 8/26/08 Team SBR


(Note) Facts

The 9 second run was verified by NHRA Track official time date location need I say More? Its an official run get over it live with it Video or not its the way life is

__________________

dwayne
08-27-2008, 12:30 AM
Go TEAM SBR !!!!!!!

Miller
08-27-2008, 12:38 AM
has anybody passed TDR's record setting run yet ?

frdlvr30
08-27-2008, 12:43 AM
Yes, But a guys first cousins wife in N. Cal has the video. She's gonna send it to me. I have a slip for the 9.69 @ 141.231 run though. First ever SC in the 9's.

dwayne
08-27-2008, 12:55 AM
Jim, you know I can't say too much or I'll get banned BUT---I KNOW---MANNY KNOWS--let the rest of them WONDER. GO SBR TEAM!!!!

Jim Demmitt Jr
08-27-2008, 12:57 AM
You know the Reason


Why you dont see pictures and videos?

This very thread look through it slamming me always attacking negitive response my Et threads same. I get my car in the local news paper and the SCCoA responses made me feel sorry to ever represent this club "GET THE BRIGHT PICTURE" ????????????

Things change in a big way than BINGO you may get your wish. I said enough on this thread you all can keep on bickering talking trash its what this club does best it seams sad deal real sad to see. No more from me on this thread it should be locked soon anyway that seams to be the normal drill with these deals last post 8/26/08 Team SBR


(Note) Facts

The 9 second run was verified by NHRA Track official time date location need I say More? Its an official run get over it live with it Video or not its the way life is

89XR7TD
08-27-2008, 02:01 AM
Why you dont see pictures and videos? Because its SBR
S_ _ e B_ _ _ _ _ _ t R_ _ _ _ y

racecougar
08-27-2008, 07:19 AM
has anybody passed TDR's record setting run yet ?

No, I think TDR is the only one in the 8's so far.

bigpoppa822
08-27-2008, 08:54 AM
An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Ah, very wise grasshopper.

90blkbrd
08-27-2008, 09:25 AM
(Note) Facts

The 9 second run was verified by NHRA Track official time date location need I say More? Its an official run get over it live with it Video or not its the way life is

__________________

This is an independent unbiased opinion. I want you to think long and hard about this.

So you have a time slip showing a 9 second run from a NHRA track.
Does it say 1990 Thunderbird SC with 3.8 supercharged motor and a IRS?

Could this have been a time slip from one of your other many cars, such as your Cobra R?

OK so if it is from a 1990 Thunderbird SC, did it still have the Ford 3.8 SC block in it? Who's to say that it didn't have a 347 stroker with a pro-charger.

OK the top SC list state you have a IRS. Of all of the people on this site I would have to guess that Kevin Leitem has put the most work into the IRS trying to get the most out of the chassis. Before his recent engine build I think he was putting less than 400 hp to the ground and the best 60 foot I could find from him was a 1.538. You knocked off a 1.49. This also makes people question your setup. (Kevin Please feel free to correct me and I meant no disrespect)

Then we have to discuss your witness. Did they personally talk or email the head honchos at SCCoA? I never saw anything on your witnesses, so in reality did they ever exist.
__________________________________________________ ________________

My thoughts to take care of all of this.

Jim, just a year or 2 ago you complained about not having any money and put the silver bullet up for sale. Now you are spending money on the car with tuning, transmission and everything. So money must not be a problem now. You stated you could get a car hauler for free.

So pack up the car and bring it to the shootout. Keep the car locked, never open the hood. I'm sure we can inspect the car from below to confirm it is a ford V6 looking oil pan and a IRS. Make your pass an the track and nothing will ever be said again about the silver bullet's abilities.

All of these people are against you because there has never been any REAL proof the Silver bullet has moved in years.

I have witnesses for my 13.325 at 108 pass and my dyno sheet of 350hp and 404 tq. I could produce a time slip with a 1.8 60 foot and 12.49 at 110 from my closest track. I'm willing to bet I would catch slack if I didn't have enough proof.

David Neibert
08-27-2008, 09:43 AM
You know the Reason

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Why you dont see pictures and videos?

This very thread look through it slamming me always attacking negitive response my Et threads same. I get my car in the local news paper and the SCCoA responses made me feel sorry to ever represent this club "GET THE BRIGHT PICTURE" ????????????

Things change in a big way than BINGO you may get your wish. I said enough on this thread you all can keep on bickering talking trash its what this club does best it seams sad deal real sad to see. No more from me on this thread it should be locked soon anyway that seams to be the normal drill with these deals last post 8/26/08 Team SBR


(Note) Facts

The 9 second run was verified by NHRA Track official time date location need I say More? Its an official run get over it live with it Video or not its the way life is

__________________

Jim,

I contend the reason there are no pictures of mods, is because you don't have the mods to take pictures of.

No Lencodrive 2 speed tranny, no moly cage, no trick blower with nylon tips and tighter helix rotors, no 30 or 40% OD cogged pulley set, no stand alone computer system, no 800# weight reduction, no liquid IC, no race pac data collection, no 688 rwhp dyno numbers ect..ect..

I challenge you to prove me wrong.....just post a few pictures :rolleyes:

David

kenewagner
08-27-2008, 10:34 AM
Seems like a reasonable request that would resolve the question;)

Ken

ricardoa1
08-27-2008, 10:45 AM
http://www.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2006/08/ashtonpunked-thumb.jpg

mannysc
08-27-2008, 11:02 AM
<object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qS7nqwGt4-I&hl=en&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qS7nqwGt4-I&hl=en&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object>

dwayne
08-27-2008, 11:07 AM
JIM,gotta love them for diging up old threads to keep this going,Its like as the world turns for them,hoping it never gets cancled,if this one gets locked,they will dig up another one,mabey it will be DAYS of our LIVES,it is a better show anyway.:eek:

superdadsc
08-27-2008, 11:36 AM
Next post... Bla Bla Bla:confused: