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jleopold
09-12-2008, 11:39 PM
Hey guys... how hard is a water pump replacement for the bird ? -- anything special about a replacement ?

Ddubb
09-13-2008, 12:00 AM
On the SC ? Just that the Power steering bracket bolts on two of the studs for the water pump. So you'll need to use a pull / install tool to remove the Power steering pulley to get to the bracket.

- Dan

rickbtbird
09-13-2008, 12:07 AM
Itís not too bad but don't mix up the bolts and make sure you use sealant where it specifies. Remove the fan, belts, pulley, top IC pipe, coil, alternator, and move the alternator bracket to the front. Make sure you clean all surfaces and use a good gasket. I use the Indian head/CARQUEST gasket sealer to mate it up. I over killed the drying time and let it dry for a few days before I put in any fluid through it but you shouldnít have to wait that long. I did the same for my thermostat replacement too. Call me paranoid but Iíve never had too much luck without a good cure time on the adhesive.

Ddubb
09-14-2008, 12:41 AM
I had fun when I rebuilt my SC engine. Installed the original, once working, water pump while it was on the engine stand. By the time I got everything back together and engine running .. water was leaking out of the weep hole. :rolleyes:
So I ended up having to replace the water pump in the car .. not as fun as while it was on the stand. :D
What car is this for John ? Not your SC im thinking ??

- Dan

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-14-2008, 12:52 AM
On the SC ? Just that the Power steering bracket bolts on two of the studs for the water pump. So you'll need to use a pull / install tool to remove the Power steering pulley to get to the bracket.

- Dan


What are you talking about?

This is water pump removing and instaling you dont need a pull install tool for the Power sterring pump pulley you dont need to remove that at all. He needs to just remove the two nuts on the power steering bracket on the water pump and the two nuts that bolt to the head on the power seering bracket than slip the power steering assembly off the studs easy deal than move it aside than remove the rest of the water pump bolts

John PM me to get the right info for Water Pump easy and quick I have done this many times over the years SC Tech Man

Ddubb
09-14-2008, 01:39 AM
Yes Jim, that is another method for taking the bracket off of the water pump. :rolleyes:

- Dan

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-14-2008, 01:41 AM
Yes Jim, that is another method for taking the bracket off of the water pump. :rolleyes:

- Dan


Dan

Only if you dont know what your doing thats 80% more work for nothing we need to tell him the quick and easy way the right way nothing els

dwayne
09-14-2008, 01:52 AM
JIM is RIGHT as usual,I changed the water pump on mine in 1 1/2 hours,most of the time was spent on cleaning off the old gasket.

Ddubb
09-14-2008, 02:23 AM
Dan

Only if you dont know what your doing thats 80% more work for nothing we need to tell him the quick and easy way the right way nothing els

Its a matter of personal preference. I dont believe one way is more time or effort efficient over the other.

- Dan

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-14-2008, 02:30 AM
Its a matter of personal preference. I dont believe one way is more time or effort efficient over the other.

- Dan


Dan

I think you need to do some homework on that idea not to be rude but to be serious doing it my way is quick and easy your way takes time and no need for it at all I am just trying to give John the right way of doing this the correct way. (Note) your way is only if you need to replace the power seering pump nothing els its darn sure not needed to replace the water pump

dwayne
09-14-2008, 02:45 AM
Class,Dismised-except Dubb,you need to study more,open your book to JD-101.

mannysc
09-14-2008, 11:32 AM
uh hummmm mine has 3 bolts one is un reachable behind the bracket so i had to remove it I never reinstalled it so i can forever do it jims way ,

I tried swivel sockets but it was too damn tight auto zone will loan you the pulley puller if you need it .

my current sc has no bracket i did without it its doing just fine

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-14-2008, 12:04 PM
uh hummmm mine has 3 bolts one is un reachable behind the bracket so i had to remove it I never reinstalled it so i can forever do it jims way ,

I tried swivel sockets but it was too damn tight auto zone will loan you the pulley puller if you need it .

my current sc has no bracket i did without it its doing just fine



Manny

I never put that hard to get bolt back in eather just use the three bolts it was easy to get out the one behind the bracket. You need the right setup I used a Snap on socket with a swivel worked perfect I have done this on many of these hard to work on cars. Pulling the pulley off is a lot more work than needed I never had to do that

Ddubb
09-14-2008, 12:45 PM
Well Jim, you do it your way, I do it mine. Its a matter of personal preference like I said above.

Its John's decision to make, there is also a Search feature on this board as this topic has been discussed many times in the Technical section. As long as the job gets done, it doesnt matter how you go about doing it.

Im not going to argue over whose way is better, or who is right; because there is no right or wrong way to do it, as long as it gets done.

I dont take advice from somebody who has spilled out blatently false information to me before - Case in point, Rod's aluminator engine.

And now he admits that he did in fact leave out that "hard to reach bolt". Big surprise.

Jim does your parrot need to follow you everywhere you go ?

- Dan

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-14-2008, 12:53 PM
Well Jim, you do it your way, I do it mine. Its a matter of personal preference like I said above.

Its John's decision to make, there is also a Search feature on this board as this topic has been discussed many times in the Technical section. As long as the job gets done, it doesnt matter how you go about doing it.

Im not going to argue over whose way is better, or who is right; because there is no right or wrong way to do it, as long as it gets done.

I dont take advice from somebody who has spilled out blatently false information to me before - Case in point, Rod's aluminator engine.

And now he admits that he did in fact leave out that "hard to reach bolt". Big surprise.

Jim does your parrot need to follow you everywhere you go ?

- Dan



Dan


I think your wasting your breath like no one cares what you have to say anymore its not worth my time to teach you the right way do it your way have a great time doing it the hard way. We dont need another BS thread going on here understand my point? enough class over

Ddubb
09-14-2008, 01:01 PM
Then why do you keep responding ??

Ive proven you wrong before Jim; youve never proven anything.

- Dan

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-14-2008, 01:04 PM
Then why do you keep responding ??

Ive proven you wrong before Jim; youve never proven anything.

- Dan


Dan

What ever turns you on more power to you I had enough of you and your bickering over nothing its not worth it guy

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-14-2008, 01:07 PM
John

I see you got your head gaskets issues fixed how is it working?



Thermagasket - headgasket repair


All I have to say is...

IT WORKS... AND WORKS DAW-GONE GOOD FOR THE SC !!!

mannysc
09-14-2008, 02:52 PM
WOW I didn't ant to start fight I just mentioned a hard to get to with poor mans tools bolt me i don't have the good stuff and i read somewhere to leave that bolt off i think David n posted it and maybe the bracket deletion I'm not 100% on that so don't have David jump down my throat. i may be miss qouteing .

david is a good guy he has helped me out a time or two as many have .
I just wanted this guy to know about the possible problem with that bolt .

if he does not have a quality swivel he may have a harbor frieght one like me lol

Jim didnt purposly leave out that bolt its not a problem to all and it is also forgetable if you leave it out as many do .Jim is a good guy you wont beleive how much he has helped me past and present.

sorry jim i started some bs without wanting to.

love ya bro you and dwayne are my bestest friends.
well and my sheep but we wont talk about that .

rickbtbird
09-14-2008, 03:17 PM
Deleting bolts and brackets imo is never a good idea on any engine you want to keep stock. If you're making a race car well now we're talking about another subject.

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-14-2008, 04:00 PM
WOW I didn't ant to start fight I just mentioned a hard to get to with poor mans tools bolt me i don't have the good stuff and i read somewhere to leave that bolt off i think David n posted it and maybe the bracket deletion I'm not 100% on that so don't have David jump down my throat. i may be miss qouteing .

david is a good guy he has helped me out a time or two as many have .
I just wanted this guy to know about the possible problem with that bolt .

if he does not have a quality swivel he may have a harbor frieght one like me lol

Jim didnt purposly leave out that bolt its not a problem to all and it is also forgetable if you leave it out as many do .Jim is a good guy you wont beleive how much he has helped me past and present.

sorry jim i started some bs without wanting to.

love ya bro you and dwayne are my bestest friends.
well and my sheep but we wont talk about that .



Manny

Its no big deal its not your fault at all aside all this how are you doing? Are your healing fine after that cut off disck ordeal? Fab Master :-)

mannysc
09-14-2008, 06:03 PM
healing fine pulled a small peice out of cut day before yeasterday bout the size of a pecil eraser other than that its healing fine . still dont have replacment welder or tools but I will .

right now Im busy working on 71 demon getting it ready for car show

dwayne
09-14-2008, 08:59 PM
MANNY,you will.

jleopold
09-14-2008, 10:07 PM
Ha ha ha ha...

How in the world did my busted up car start such a big family fight...Lord only knows...

Anyway, the car is running like it did Dec 1989... I was totally scared to try the stuff and it worked in 30 minutes or so...

NOW... one thing the tech said caught my attention...

Read carefully...

Originally my car started to overheat, water running out the rear, steam from the pipes and engine etc.

So the guy --- a real mechanic said something really good... he said that once I put the product in the car it should stop steaming up and then be good to go... in my case the car did overheat but he said that could be another issue but definitely not the HG or Block with the product in the car.

So get this... --- he said, to make sure the radiator cap didn't fail --- if so, the same effects could happen and look like a HG leak or cause overheating.

So... I check my car... sure enough, 13lb. cap vs. 16lb... I buy a new cap, I let the car cool off, I put in more water...
Start her up.....

BOOOOOOYAAAAAHHHHH TO YA MAMAA ! ... BIG RED IS BACK ON TRACK IN the first 100 feet. Running smooth, no bucking, no steam, no Duh!!!

I drive her just like the tech said --- at 2000-3000 rpm for 10 minutes... ( I drove about 45mph in D vs. OD.

... so who wants to race...

Now I can go back to bugging the tar out of you guys to meet up again... and believe me... I'm going to bug ya baby !!!

( can you tell a brotha is happy to have his car back)

Oh... BTW... the oily stuff was water in the oil boiling out of the dipstick...

And dang it be nice... to each other... ya fight like hot chickens hunting the last seed...

David Neibert
09-16-2008, 11:49 AM
WOW I didn't ant to start fight I just mentioned a hard to get to with poor mans tools bolt me i don't have the good stuff and i read somewhere to leave that bolt off i think David n posted it and maybe the bracket deletion I'm not 100% on that so don't have David jump down my throat. i may be miss qouteing .

david is a good guy he has helped me out a time or two as many have .
I just wanted this guy to know about the possible problem with that bolt .

if he does not have a quality swivel he may have a harbor frieght one like me lol

Jim didnt purposly leave out that bolt its not a problem to all and it is also forgetable if you leave it out as many do .Jim is a good guy you wont beleive how much he has helped me past and present.

sorry jim i started some bs without wanting to.

love ya bro you and dwayne are my bestest friends.
well and my sheep but we wont talk about that .

Manny,

No matter what tools you have, getting the bolt out that's located behind the PS pulley is very difficult to do without first removing the pulley. All the other bolts and nuts holding the accesory mount must be removed first, then if you can get a wrench on the one behind the pulley...the entire accesory bracket must be moved forward a little at a time as the bolt is gradually loosened, until getting it completly unscrewed from the head. Once it's completly unscrewed it can be removed and discarded. With that done, it's no longer necessary to remove the PS pulley and makes removing the accesory bracket very easy.

David

PS: The PS pulley on my 91 wouldn't come off, so we were forced to do it the hard way.

Ddubb
09-16-2008, 07:47 PM
David, cmon now we all know its really really easy to do !!! Pap did it in 1.5 Hours with only one leg, and most of that time was spent cleaning the gasket surface. Thanks to Jim's help. :rolleyes:
I smell BS.
But when I post how to do it the RIGHT way, the DDUBB way, the Ford Service Manual way - not the Jimpap, super easy, "oops I forgot to mention I never re-installed that one bolt" way .. I get jumped on with a "WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT" post .. LOL, give me a break.

- Dan

Jim Demmitt Jr
09-16-2008, 08:03 PM
healing fine pulled a small peice out of cut day before yeasterday bout the size of a pecil eraser other than that its healing fine . still dont have replacment welder or tools but I will .

right now Im busy working on 71 demon getting it ready for car show


Manny

Glad your healing fine thats a serious deal to go through how is the 71 Demon coming along? what size engine? 4 speed? bet thats a fun deal to work on I like the old muscle cars. I guess being around fords all my life and working on them the stud bolt behind the power steering bracket is easy for me but hard for others no big deal just a lot more time pulling the pulley off you modified your P/S bracket? or changed it over to somthing better? did Sandi get in touch with you about Dwaynes serious condition?

David Neibert
09-17-2008, 08:11 AM
Jim,

How's the new IRS coming along ? Can't wait to see the Silver Bullet ripping off a 9 second pass. What day are you leaving CA and is anyone else from the area going with you ?

David