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sinhumane
04-10-2009, 02:29 PM
is the dorman part listed at autozone the correct part for my car? i plan on picking one up, but the other one they offer is a pioneer that looks right... dorman balancer is 65 bucks, the pioneer is 150. the dorman is a stock photo as far as i can tell, judging from the ribs on it...

http://www.autozone.com/autozone/catalog/parts/partsShelf.jsp?categoryDisplayName=External+Engine&fromType=parts&fromString=search&parentId=cat10010&currentPage=1&filterByKeyWord=balancer&isSearchByPartNumber=false&navValue=15300665&categoryNValue=15399999&fromWhere=&itemId=prod11042&displayName=Harmonic+Balancer&searchText=balancer (balancer)

i didnt post this for a discussion about longevity, alternative balancers, etc.. i know the deal and dont need to hear it.

sinhumane
04-10-2009, 02:41 PM
looking at the dorman closer.. its for a 2.2 honda accord... i dont forsee using an h22 balancer... pioneer is the right one..

now, as for a repair sleeve for it, my outer ring is just loose, no damage to the hub or anythign crazy like that.. would i be able to use a felpro repair sleeve? it looks like its jsut a replacement rubber lining that you glue into place.

Young-SC-Owner
04-10-2009, 05:13 PM
looking at the dorman closer.. its for a 2.2 honda accord... i dont forsee using an h22 balancer... pioneer is the right one..

now, as for a repair sleeve for it, my outer ring is just loose, no damage to the hub or anythign crazy like that.. would i be able to use a felpro repair sleeve? it looks like its jsut a replacement rubber lining that you glue into place.

When you cheap out, dont expect to see good results...a busted crank being the worst.

Get ahold of damper doctor at the VERY LEAST!

or BJH

sinhumane
04-10-2009, 05:36 PM
i didnt post this for a discussion about longevity, alternative balancers, etc.. i know the deal and dont need to hear it.


did i not make it clear enough? i'm looking at an oem replacement, nothing more, nothing less.. these balancers are NEW not rebuilt, made with todays technology, todays compounds, and are undoubtedly more reliable than a stock one.

i dont need someone spouting the general consensus of the forum to me like they know what they are talking about. i explicitly stated that for this very reason. i want a clear answer, and not opinions about something completely off topic.




now, continuing on, i will have the dorman part in my hands tonight to verify, but i'm pretty sure its a mixed up part number, as a google search for the same part number brought up a balancer for a honda h22a motor in the accord/prelude.

the alternate one, the pioneer, can be ordered, and appears to be exactly what i need, and at 126.99, its three-fold cheaper than the bhj, direct fit, requires no machining, no cursing, and i will be happy for another 150k miles, if my engine even lasts that long.

Young-SC-Owner
04-10-2009, 11:15 PM
did i not make it clear enough? i'm looking at an oem replacement, nothing more, nothing less.. these balancers are NEW not rebuilt, made with todays technology, todays compounds, and are undoubtedly more reliable than a stock one.

i dont need someone spouting the general consensus of the forum to me like they know what they are talking about. i explicitly stated that for this very reason. i want a clear answer, and not opinions about something completely off topic.




now, continuing on, i will have the dorman part in my hands tonight to verify, but i'm pretty sure its a mixed up part number, as a google search for the same part number brought up a balancer for a honda h22a motor in the accord/prelude.

the alternate one, the pioneer, can be ordered, and appears to be exactly what i need, and at 126.99, its three-fold cheaper than the bhj, direct fit, requires no machining, no cursing, and i will be happy for another 150k miles, if my engine even lasts that long.

The only fct stated being i WORK there, i LOOKED...so be that as it may.

So if you didnt want any feedback, why didnt you keep the information to yourself? And for the statement about me THINKING I know what im talking about, please... Been there done that, so have many others. If you want your stuff to fail now then replace it again, go for it sparky

sinhumane
04-10-2009, 11:33 PM
is the dorman part listed at autozone the correct part for my car? i plan on picking one up, but the other one they offer is a pioneer that looks right... dorman balancer is 65 bucks, the pioneer is 150. the dorman is a stock photo as far as i can tell, judging from the ribs on it...



uhhhh... this was the original question, whether it would work or not... i got to the store earlier and got ahold of the balancer they had transferred... the guy actually tried to tell me that it was the correct one!

i promptly took the box and the parts guy outside to my car, popped the hood, and proceeded to ask him where i was going to install this HONDA part?

he eventually ordered me the right one.. 126.99, will have it in 4 days.

i grabbed an intake gasket kit, along with water pump and timing cover gaskets. i figure i might as well swap in my ported intake and cmre along with my new lifters and pushrods. replace the balancer while its down that far.

tony, no beef towards you, but i was on a time crunch, had searched, but couldnt find anything that offered any insight, and i didnt need a discussion about the pros and cons of a bhj. i could have easily searched and not posted if that were the case. dont you think bhj balancers would be a ton cheaper from them selling so many if this is what every failed sc balancer was replaced with? simple fact, new aftermarket balancers work for as long as they are needed.

Young-SC-Owner
04-10-2009, 11:36 PM
I see, to harm done. I was just letting you know the better options out there, I dont know damper doctors turn around time, but i think there about the same price

quicktsi
04-11-2009, 11:16 AM
I tried locally for a balancer for my 91 and could not source one locally. Then I tried the SC shops listed on this forum and nobody at any of the shops answered their phone yesterday, but spinning wheels just called. Here in OK they kept saying 315 for the Dorman and nobody had them in stock. The Ford dealer wanted over 400. Needless to say, I will wait for a BHJ. I know I could save a little bit of money on the others online, but most everything I read is the Dorman does not seem to last and the chance of it taking other things out when it fails is not worth it to me.

sinhumane
04-11-2009, 11:19 AM
autozone has teh pioneer balancers for 126.... but that is a late model balancer. ford dealership said mine is obsolete, and there isnt a single one available.

96SCbird
04-13-2009, 11:24 PM
You are going to be SOL. There is no aftermarket balancer other than the BHJ unit for the 94-95 SC. The one you got is going to be an external balance for an N/A 3.8L

Young-SC-Owner
04-14-2009, 10:07 AM
You are going to be SOL. There is no aftermarket balancer other than the BHJ unit for the 94-95 SC. The one you got is going to be an external balance for an N/A 3.8L

He doesn't want our opinions please!!!!!:rolleyes:
I tried to tell him that but as you read above you will see

sinhumane
04-14-2009, 12:39 PM
The vin code listed for the balancer is correct. I=m confident its the correct one

kendall221
04-14-2009, 01:49 PM
The vin code listed for the balancer is correct. I=m confident its the correct one

Unfortunately, you're probably going to be disappointed. You're talking about the Pioneer part #DA-2320? Autozone lists it for the SC, and in the notes it lists OEM part #f4DZ6A321A. That's the part # for a 3.8l taurus. The correct part # for SC is F4SZ6A321A, and unfortunately, that one is obsolete and all gone.

Good luck!

Toms-SC
04-14-2009, 02:48 PM
I'm sure the Taurus balancer will hold up just fine. :eek:

90coug
04-14-2009, 04:25 PM
Sin can you get a picture of the one you got?

1990XR7SC
04-14-2009, 05:14 PM
just buy a bhj balencer. i went through 2 used stock balencers and now finally using the bhj so i speak from experiance. i could of bought the bhj with what i spent on 2 used balancers.

sinhumane
04-14-2009, 05:17 PM
no, the part i'm looking at is part da-2332, for vin code 4, 3.8 engine, 94-95.

the alternate one is powerbond, pb1497n, vin code r 3.8 sc engine, 94/95

the powerbond will be the correct one as the 4 engine code is for an na 3.8... the 1497n is for a 3.8 sc engine, vin R

getting it at oreilley auto. :)

sinhumane
04-14-2009, 05:26 PM
bah... the powerbond references as a taurus part. some total bs there...

anyone have any views on this?

http://www.bhjdynamics.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=6_39&products_id=98

they list the balancer for a late sc, and 4.2 v6? that correct?

if it works that way, why not with a 4.2 oem balancer?

either way, bhj offers two different balancers for the late model sc....

Tim Groth
04-14-2009, 05:31 PM
From SCP's website

If you plan to routinely rev your SC engine over 6000 RPM, then you may want to choose our S.F.I. approved balancer over the standard BHJ unit as it is designed to withstand high rev conditions. Meets S.F.I. 18-1 specifications for competition use and is accepted by sanctioning groups such as NHRA, SCCA, NASCAR, etc.

Everyone is looking for a high performance alternative to the weak rubber/aluminum harmonic balancer. Super Coupe Performance is now offering the answer from B-H-J Dynamics!!

This billet steel balancer is perfect as a stock replacement or will hold up under super high HP conditions such as a high rev Coy Miller type motor. Basically, you get a premium quality dampener for a little more than what you would pay for a weak stock unit from a Ford dealership.

You must install your original crank sensor ring to the new balancer. It is held to your old balancer with four small screws and is an easy swap. These balancers are zero balanced from BHJ. This means that they will bolt to a fully balanced reciprocating assembly with no modifications. One must use a zero balance crankshaft pulley, such as the one provided in the SCP 3-piece accessory pulley set. One can also have their stock crankshaft pulley rebalanced at a local engine shop.

Due to the rubber in the stock balancers, the older SC's and XR7's with high mileage have been failing stock dampeners like crazy the past few years. It is also very common for the hub of the balancer to break off leaving a ring still attached to your crankshaft and the balancer bolt will be broken off in the nose of your crank. When a stock dampener fails, it can break your crankshaft in a worst case scenario, requiring a complete engine rebuild! At a minimum, it will take out your crank sensor and everything else around it when it lets loose and leaves you stranded when you least expect it.

BE PROACTIVE, NOT DUMB-ACTIVE and change out your old rubber/aluminum balancer before the rubber fails or the shank breaks away and has you walking!



Price: $420.99



-Tim

Young-SC-Owner
04-14-2009, 05:32 PM
The vin code listed for the balancer is correct. I=m confident its the correct one

But..but....but....this is what we tried to say last weekend........:rolleyes:
I guess we DO know what were talking about;)

S_Mazza
04-14-2009, 05:38 PM
they list the balancer for a late sc, and 4.2 v6? that correct?

if it works that way, why not with a 4.2 oem balancer?


This is a good point. I am wondering about this myself. The only thing I can think of is that the depth may be different because of the different pulley setup, or the trigger wheel may be different. Of course, it is probably possible to swap a trigger wheel. I am curious as to whether this might work.

sinhumane
04-14-2009, 05:47 PM
4.2 balancers arent available either...

sinhumane
04-14-2009, 05:55 PM
the 4.2 part number is f65z6b321ab.... i called the ford dealership and it could be ordered. costs as much as a bhj... no dice.

so, my options are bhj balancer, or i send it off to be rebuilt by dale manufacturing, guaranteed for life.

90coug
04-14-2009, 06:11 PM
just buy a bhj balencer. i went through 2 used stock balencers and now finally using the bhj so i speak from experiance. i could of bought the bhj with what i spent on 2 used balancers.

I installed a used OEM and so far got 25-35K on it, either I am super lucky or others are not installing correctly.

David Neibert
04-14-2009, 06:12 PM
I installed a used OEM and so far got 25-35K on it, either I am super lucky or others are not installing correctly.

You are super lucky...they usually fail within the first 3000 miles.

David

90coug
04-14-2009, 06:30 PM
You are super lucky...they usually fail within the first 3000 miles.

David

I figured that was it, hopefully it doesn't break tomorrow. :p

ricardoa1
04-14-2009, 06:48 PM
But..but....but....this is what we tried to say last weekend........:rolleyes:
I guess we DO know what were talking about;)

Piggi backing......
I must say you been schooled :p

S_Mazza
04-14-2009, 06:56 PM
the 4.2 part number is f65z6b321ab.... i called the ford dealership and it could be ordered. costs as much as a bhj... no dice.

so, my options are bhj balancer, or i send it off to be rebuilt by dale manufacturing, guaranteed for life.

That part seems to be referenced to a 1997-1998 4.2 only (at least where I looked). How about the later ones? 1999-2004 or 2005-2008? Will those not work?

sinhumane
04-14-2009, 07:25 PM
dont know, i contacted bhj directly and asked them about it. didnt ask about the year... i figured it was just 97/98....

sinhumane
04-14-2009, 07:46 PM
http://www.fordracingparts.com/parts/part_details.asp?PartKeyField=1258

using the part number i was provided from the ford dealership... this is what i came up with... our engines are basically lopped off 351's.... any light on this?

superdadsc
04-14-2009, 07:49 PM
Sometimes we have to bite the bullet!:eek: I know how you feel putting money into the SC.

After having my motor and tranny stolen I have to start over. I will take a long time to redo but this time around I will take my time and buy the parts I want and do it right the first time. When I am done I don't want to do it again or I will take a 12 gauge to it!

Stephen

sinhumane
04-14-2009, 08:13 PM
http://a763.g.akamai.net/7/763/1644/4/app.infopia.com/img/image/fp/VPID/3234238/img4/img.jpg

this is the 351 balancer i was talking about... part 6316-k351

David Neibert
04-14-2009, 11:56 PM
http://a763.g.akamai.net/7/763/1644/4/app.infopia.com/img/image/fp/VPID/3234238/img4/img.jpg

this is the 351 balancer i was talking about... part 6316-k351

351 has a 28 oz imbalance...SC crank is netural balance. Late model 4.2 truck crank is netural balance and the SC balancer will fit the crank when installed in an SC motor. I'm guessing that the 4.2 balancer doesn't have the same crank trigger ring location as the SC balancer, but I'm not certian.

David

Surgin
04-15-2009, 08:53 AM
That part seems to be referenced to a 1997-1998 4.2 only (at least where I looked). How about the later ones? 1999-2004 or 2005-2008? Will those not work?

The 97-98 is just the balancer, the 99+ is a one piece, balancer and pully together.

Justin

S_Mazza
04-15-2009, 09:46 AM
The 97-98 is just the balancer, the 99+ is a one piece, balancer and pully together.

Justin

Aha. That explains it. Thanks for the info.

Mike Puckett
04-15-2009, 10:06 AM
I'm still wondering guys, can a 94/95 balancer have the hub machined down to accept the 89/93 sensor ring. It should then fit and work on an 89/93 motor, right?. The sensor ring aligns properly. Machining the hub shouldn't affect the balance or so it appears. But, would it work?:confused: I've actually had this done to a 94/95 OEM balancer but I've never put it on the motor to try it. I talked to BHJ but they had no idea. "We just manufacture them to a specification", I was told.

sinhumane
04-15-2009, 02:13 PM
what exactly are the differences between the early and late oem balancers, anyways?

XR7 Dave
04-15-2009, 02:36 PM
You guys are aware that you can buy brand new balancers aftermarket, right? They are about $125 or so. No reason a new aftermarket balancer would not hold up a long time.

Toms-SC
04-15-2009, 02:56 PM
You guys are aware that you can buy brand new balancers aftermarket, right? They are about $125 or so. No reason a new aftermarket balancer would not hold up a long time.

Details overwhelming, please post a link or something. :cool:

Tim Groth
04-15-2009, 03:06 PM
Details overwhelming, please post a link or something. :cool:

I am going to guess he is referring to Dampener Doctor.

-Tim

XR7 Dave
04-15-2009, 03:25 PM
Not a rebuilt, but I guess I wasn't paying attention, I think only the 89-93 are available.

Mike Puckett
04-15-2009, 05:26 PM
I just checked the Damperdoctor.com. They are $239.95 with a $100 refund for a rebuildable core.


what exactly are the differences between the early and late oem balancers, anyways?

The difference is in the sensor ring, a multitoothed ring 3/4" above the weight vs a 3 vane ring 1mm above the weight.

sinhumane
04-15-2009, 07:59 PM
can the sensor rings be interchanged?

and the rebuild i was speaking of... is by dale manufacturing... i think like 93 dollars... :D thanks to a certain friend of mine to pointing me towards them... lifetime warranty on the rubber they use. thats the route i'll be going.

XR7 Dave
04-15-2009, 09:13 PM
can the sensor rings be interchanged?

and the rebuild i was speaking of... is by dale manufacturing... i think like 93 dollars... :D thanks to a certain friend of mine to pointing me towards them... lifetime warranty on the rubber they use. thats the route i'll be going.

The problem with a rebuild is that you don't know how fatigued your donor hub is so it's still a crapshoot.

sinhumane
04-16-2009, 11:11 AM
i recieved an email from a member on this forum... he confirmed to me that the 98 4.2 balancers will fit, you just have to alter your crank pulley slightly, and reuse your timing ring.

hope that helps anyone... and those are readily available from any ford dealerships, but run almost as much as a bhj.. 350 dollars iirc.

David Neibert
04-16-2009, 01:42 PM
The problem with a rebuild is that you don't know how fatigued your donor hub is so it's still a crapshoot.

Dave,

What company is offering a new 89-93 balancer ?

David

XR7 Dave
04-16-2009, 02:55 PM
I'm not sure who makes it but they are sold by Dorman and a few others. I've seen them on Ebay as well from time to time.

Mike8675309
04-16-2009, 04:01 PM
Dave,

What company is offering a new 89-93 balancer ?

David

www.rockauto.com has a listing.
DORMAN Part # 594208
{OE Solutions #E9SZ6B321C}
* Non-stock item--shipping delayed up to 2 business days

$259.89. It comes with a pulley and the vane ring.
http://www.rockauto.com/catalog/moreinfo.php?pk=1268603

sinhumane
04-16-2009, 04:03 PM
so.... could the rings be swapped over or not?:o

XR7 Dave
04-16-2009, 04:10 PM
so.... could the rings be swapped over or not?:o

No. The 89 balancer does not offer the correct offset for aligning the ring. If you were to get a spacer machined..... But at $259 it wouldn't be worth it. I've seen them for sale for a lot less but can't find a listing right now.