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roworld
06-13-2009, 07:28 AM
I have a 90 sc, I took it to the the track a little over a month ago and ran a 15.4 @ 89mph. What will I need to do to get at lease a 13.99 pass. The is stock.

Dangle
06-13-2009, 10:37 AM
I have a 90 sc. What will I need to do to get at lease a 13.99 pass.

Umm alot of $$:D
Here is a link to a recent thread by a member with the same car as you (are you auto or stick?)...trying to reach the elusive 13's

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107544

Check out his member page and look at what he has done so far, and what his best time is currently.

These cars are hot and heavy, expensive to fix and a biotch to work on..good luck sir.:D

scxr7
06-13-2009, 01:53 PM
it doesn't take much at all to get 13's. a 94-95 m90. a good exhaust with no cats. and a N/A 3.8l engine. :D thats all I did and got 13's.

sinhumane
06-13-2009, 03:50 PM
and is this in a mustang? ;)

thunderkid84
06-13-2009, 03:53 PM
and is this in a mustang? ;)

yup. you're talking a 600+ pound difference there too.

not everybody can just swap sc stuff into a mustang and go.

Miller
06-13-2009, 04:46 PM
why cant everybody just swap stuff into a mustang and go ?

the-big-e
06-13-2009, 06:43 PM
Well, for one thing, if you don't swap out the mustangs AOD, you will most likely tear it up with the extra low end torque that the SC will give the engine.....

Plus, you'll be boosting an engine with a 9.5:1 compression ratio....:D

It should be alright though.....

For a little while.....:p

thunderkid84
06-14-2009, 12:13 AM
why cant everybody just swap stuff into a mustang and go ?

well theres 2 big factors....

1. having the money to do so
2. having the "know how" to do so

can't just wake up one day and say "I'm gonna go buy a mustang and swap all my sc stuff into it."

entire wire harnesses will have to go into the mustang and that's not a simple task for at least half of the members of this forum.

Super Duper Cou
06-14-2009, 11:10 AM
A front mount intercooler, 2 1/2 inch dual exhaust, lower gears, and drag radials would help you get close to that. On my friends SC a FMIC took off like 0.4 seconds and 2 1/2 dual exhaust on my car took off 0.4 seconds.

Miller
06-14-2009, 07:30 PM
entire wire harnesses will have to go into the mustang and that's not a simple task for at least half of the members of this forum.

v6 sn95's wiring harness is the same as a 94/95 sc... you have to extend two of the sensor wires. otherwise, its a direct swap. you can even run it off the stock mustang computer with a tune. :eek:

thunderkid84
06-14-2009, 10:59 PM
well then, if you're lucky enough to have a 94/95 out of the 30,000 some sc's made, then the swap would be easier.

but still its alot of time, money and knowledge needed and some people just don't have it.

fturner
06-15-2009, 11:26 AM
Judging from the original post, where does the "mustang" come into the picture here? He mentioned getting his '90 SC into the 13's.

There is several ways to do it, and the way I would recommend to keep the cost down is to go with a mild cam (regrind's are not expensive with push rods, and springs if going over a .490 lift), a 94/95 blower ported with coated rotors, a set of 42# injectors, a 70-75mm throttle body, stock MAF is fine, a DIC (front mount not required) with a fan, a descent exhaust setup but nothing extravagent and run cats.. they really do help with drone and a good set has no backflow to worry about.... port the exit of the stock exhaust manifolds though. A set of aluminum stock sized pullies though some would recommend underdrives. Get a 255lph FI fuel pump installed. Get a chip n tune.

You'll more than likely need to run slicks.

Fraser

QuickMustang
06-15-2009, 12:13 PM
I hit 13.9 with the mods listed in my signature...I did it all for under $4k including the cost of the car and the cost of the engine rebuild the car needed when I bought it...

Black89XR7
06-15-2009, 12:59 PM
I havn't broke into the 13's yet but i am pretty close. The only mods i have to my car are: ported 89 blower and plenum(by me and my brother), gtp rotors, removed air silencer, and 5% overdrive. With those mods i ran a best of 14.02@ 96.72mph. The motor in my car was an all stock rebuild by me and my brother with new rings, rod and main bearings which now has 11k on it. I think if I did the exhaust on my car i could be there but that is going to have to wait.

roworld
06-15-2009, 01:27 PM
How about getting rid of the mufflers, 355 gears, and a 75 shot of nos?

1989superhot
06-15-2009, 01:47 PM
yea it takes time to get there.It's not hard but takes some money

fturner
06-15-2009, 01:51 PM
yeah, about 13.999 seconds.

Fraser

thunderkid84
06-15-2009, 07:45 PM
The only mods i have to my car are: ported 89 blower and plenum(by me and my brother), gtp rotors, removed air silencer, and 5% overdrive. With those mods i ran a best of 14.02@ 96.72mph.

now thats upsets me even more. this guy has 3 mods and ran almost a second faster than me !! i hate my super coupe !!:mad:

but anyway, i agree with fraser. maybe even some mild head porting in there. the cam is gonna be the bset bang for the buck tho. opening the valves higher and longer will really wake the motor up.

QuickMustang
06-15-2009, 10:40 PM
now thats upsets me even more. this guy has 3 mods and ran almost a second faster than me !! i hate my super coupe !!:mad:

but anyway, i agree with fraser. maybe even some mild head porting in there. the cam is gonna be the bset bang for the buck tho. opening the valves higher and longer will really wake the motor up.

Don't worry about that too much...There are a lot of variables that go along with quarter mile times...Temperature, track conditions, quality of the track, altitude, tires, etc...Just keep trying to make your car faster and when you meet people heads up then you can compare your car to theirs...

scxr7
06-22-2009, 08:13 PM
for those of you who think that I have a mustang. I don't. I have a 96 cougar. the N/A motor was entirely stock except for a 1995 m90 on it. the stock N/A 96 motor had 150k miles on it when I decided to supercharge it. the trans was stock. stock converter. stock 7.5 rear end (open diff). stock headers stock cats.

I mean.. literally, all I did was put a supercharger on the n/a motor and I went from running 16.50's to running 13's. Oh yes, needless to say, the motor only lasted a week:D Now I have a 1999 mustang 3.8 in the cougar. I down graded from split port 99+ to the single port (windstar) heads. now I have an mpx(clone), with a built tranny and a 2500-3000 stall coverter, FMIC and I'll be running 20lbs of boost. I figure since I ran 13's with just the m90 swap at 11psi, I should be bottom 13's or high high 12's with the new setup. wish me luck, lol. without water/meth injection, I won't be able to run 20 psi on a 9.5:1 motor unless I compensate for that by reducing the timing.. sorry if I sounded cocky or anything, Just letting you know what my setup was when I ran 13's.

thunderkid84
06-22-2009, 09:47 PM
I mean.. literally, all I did was put a supercharger on the n/a motor and I went from running 16.50's to running 13's3

Ok, now i give up on my sc. this guy slaps an m90 @ 11 psi on his N/A motor and BAM...... 13's !!

fturner
06-22-2009, 10:04 PM
Ok, now i give up on my sc. this guy slaps an m90 @ 11 psi on his N/A motor and BAM...... 13's !!

What you should do is ask everyone what their average times and speeds where at the track. Thats why I post my best run as well as the average for all the runs.

Sure the car can run a 13.989... but how many times did they do that? I bet you'll find the average is about .2 to .3 slower.

As for that cougar, well, try a high compression motor, the right conditions, the temperature, and then ask how many runs did he do and what his times where.... and look at how long that motor lasted.

Don't give up.

Fraser

rbrown
06-22-2009, 10:52 PM
for those of you who think that I have a mustang. I don't. I have a 96 cougar. the N/A motor was entirely stock except for a 1995 m90 on it. the stock N/A 96 motor had 150k miles on it when I decided to supercharge it. the trans was stock. stock converter. stock 7.5 rear end (open diff). stock headers stock cats.

I mean.. literally, all I did was put a supercharger on the n/a motor and I went from running 16.50's to running 13's. Oh yes, needless to say, the motor only lasted a week:D Now I have a 1999 mustang 3.8 in the cougar. I down graded from split port 99+ to the single port (windstar) heads. now I have an mpx(clone), with a built tranny and a 2500-3000 stall coverter, FMIC and I'll be running 20lbs of boost. I figure since I ran 13's with just the m90 swap at 11psi, I should be bottom 13's or high high 12's with the new setup. wish me luck, lol. without water/meth injection, I won't be able to run 20 psi on a 9.5:1 motor unless I compensate for that by reducing the timing.. sorry if I sounded cocky or anything, Just letting you know what my setup was when I ran 13's.

I want to see this car.

thunderkid84
06-23-2009, 01:31 AM
Don't give up.

Fraser

I'm not giving up on it but I know the last few mods I will do to it. Mp inlet, high lift cam and supporting mods, good ported heads and clutch and flywheel. That's it. Then I'll work on the int and ext. Should be good for 350 rwhp there and I think that's all I need.

I've FINALLY come to realize you can only SO much with a V6.:(

scxr7
06-23-2009, 02:26 PM
I'm not giving up on it but I know the last few mods I will do to it. Mp inlet, high lift cam and supporting mods, good ported heads and clutch and flywheel. That's it. Then I'll work on the int and ext. Should be good for 350 rwhp there and I think that's all I need.

I've FINALLY come to realize you can only SO much with a V6.:(


350whp from those few mods?! Not gonna happen. to get 350whp on a stock s/c motor, you'll need at the very least a 94/95 m90, overdriven 15%, FMIC, ported heads with a cam and RR's, and a good exhaust. oh yes, don't forget the MP inlet. you can see my cougar on my myspace. myspace(dot)com/socomsheadcase along with my piece of crap Rustang. I haven't updated the pictures of my cougar since the last time it ran which was 6 months ago. back in the winter. I had it dyno tuned with a diablo chip on the stock ecu, it made 252whp and an unknown amount of torque. the reason the torque is unknown is because the guy at the dyno didn't have the right electronics to hook my coil up to. I guess the reading from the coil and the MPH go hand in hand to determine torque.

Like I said, My motor lasted about a week. the pistons looked perfect, but I lost a rod. The rev-limit was set to 6,000RPM, and of course, I was driving my car like it was a rental.

Since your car is a stick, put a set of 3.55 or 3.73 gears in it, get a MP inlet, and slight pulley o/d, maybe like 7% o/d. or even forget the gears for now if you want. just doing those two things will help a lot.

scxr7
06-23-2009, 02:34 PM
I've FINALLY come to realize you can only SO much with a V6.:(

not true! If you switch to a single turbo instead of a supercharger, you will see 300whp EASILY with the same amount of boost. You know of the buick t-type right? those guys are going 9's 8's and even 7's with them. Our cylinder heads suck, there are no aftermarket brands or anything that improve the cylinder head design. we only have the big 3 to get heads from. morana, SSM, and delk. (btw, delk sucks, just throwing that out there). other than that, comp cams has good cams/springs/rockers for the s/c. you can get pistons and rods from anywhere, and the forged crank is good for 1000hp. going turbo is really the only way to go if you want power. I know there are going to be a lot of bashers about this, but superchargers are nowhere near as efficient as turbos.

fturner
06-23-2009, 03:17 PM
Wow! Guess I (and a whole lot of others here) have been doing it wrong all along...

Fraser

thunderkid84
06-23-2009, 05:36 PM
350whp from those few mods?! Not gonna happen. to get 350whp on a stock s/c motor, you'll need at the very least a 94/95 m90, overdriven 15%, FMIC, ported heads with a cam and RR's, and a good exhaust. oh yes, don't forget the MP inlet.

no, i dont mean from those few mods. read my member page for what i've already done.

scxr7
06-23-2009, 09:02 PM
I try the best I can to lead people in the wrong direction:D no but really, you're doing it all wrong.:p

thunderkid84
06-23-2009, 10:44 PM
I try the best I can to lead people in the wrong direction:D no but really, you're doing it all wrong.:p

I'm doing it all wrong ? :confused:

David Neibert
06-24-2009, 12:30 AM
not true! If you switch to a single turbo instead of a supercharger, you will see 300whp EASILY with the same amount of boost. You know of the buick t-type right? those guys are going 9's 8's and even 7's with them. Our cylinder heads suck, there are no aftermarket brands or anything that improve the cylinder head design. we only have the big 3 to get heads from. morana, SSM, and delk. (btw, delk sucks, just throwing that out there). other than that, comp cams has good cams/springs/rockers for the s/c. you can get pistons and rods from anywhere, and the forged crank is good for 1000hp. going turbo is really the only way to go if you want power. I know there are going to be a lot of bashers about this, but superchargers are nowhere near as efficient as turbos.

There are other choices besides the ones you listed for SC heads and engine components. I'm curious to know who said the SC forged crank was good for a 1000 HP ?

David

neverfastenough
06-24-2009, 12:29 PM
This thread is starting to get silly. It doesnt take a heck of alot to get into the 13's. I managed with a late model blower, supporting mods. and a front mount. I run 10% OD and make 17psi. As for the turbo comment, yes thats the way to go if you want big numbers. And that is because they have high peak hp. I have no doubt in my mind that a lower hp blower car could beat a turbo car with the same engine. Im not saying a 300rwhp blower car could beat a 600rwhp car but more similar power numbers like 325 vs 400. Anyway, I made 247rwhp on the dyno the other day and it will still run mid 13's.

95badbird
06-24-2009, 02:02 PM
you can run 13's easily with the stock motor............take out about 1000 lbs, and it will do it.

Trust me..


oh, and a set of gears...

scxr7
06-24-2009, 06:09 PM
If I can remove 1,000lbs from my cougar and still keep it functional and driveable, let me know how. I think you'd be lucky to remove 500lbs from the car without taking a saws-all to it.

95badbird
06-25-2009, 11:26 AM
If I can remove 1,000lbs from my cougar and still keep it functional and driveable, let me know how. I think you'd be lucky to remove 500lbs from the car without taking a saws-all to it.

okay, take my car for example....I droped 900 lbs without taking a sawzall to it....and it was functional and driveable...
even cutting some stuff away(when I surpassed the 1000lb mark), its still functional and driveable.

Should be around 2800 with me in it(including 8 point roll bar), here pretty soon. And guess what, it will still be functional and driveable.

95badbird
06-25-2009, 11:30 AM
Here is a link to a thread I started on more weight removal.....but keep in mind, I have taken out the 1000 lbs already prior to starting this little project.

(I know you probably won't even take on something like this....but I'm just trying to show you that weight can be removed from these cars...even without a sawzall :rolleyes: )

http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=116661

scxr7
06-25-2009, 06:02 PM
2900lbs? that's impressive. My cougar is in no way a DD, its been sitting in my driveway for about a year and a half. I've been slooowllyy working on it. Coming across the funds to get it all done is rare. I've already removed the interior carpet and the tar in the trunk and in the back half of the passenger area. I'm keeping the front two seats in there for now til I find some comfortable lightweight seats. You have an interesting thread going on about the weight savings thing. I'm still reading it. thanks for the info:cool:

95badbird
06-26-2009, 08:25 AM
2900lbs? that's impressive. My cougar is in no way a DD, its been sitting in my driveway for about a year and a half. I've been slooowllyy working on it. Coming across the funds to get it all done is rare. I've already removed the interior carpet and the tar in the trunk and in the back half of the passenger area. I'm keeping the front two seats in there for now til I find some comfortable lightweight seats. You have an interesting thread going on about the weight savings thing. I'm still reading it. thanks for the info:cool:

sorry if I may have come off like a donkey....

but I feel you on the funds part:eek:

1 other thing I wanted to add, that 2960 lbs, was still with cast iron heads and intake....so with some aluminum in there, it should be a bit lighter!

Thomas A
07-15-2009, 08:31 PM
ET is in my sig, mods are listed on my member's page. The car will run 13.6-13.8 all day at ~1000 ft above sea level. (The Cougar that is)

Thomas

fturner
07-20-2009, 10:26 AM
My car is now running consistent high 13's on street tires with an average of 102.5 mph traps with 13 pounds of boost with the mods listed on my page.

It wasn't too expensive going that route either and the car still looks pretty much stock.

Fraser

Jamez
07-31-2009, 09:09 PM
I just wanted to chime in on the Mustang deal. Its really not that difficult and a mostly stock setup is capable of 13's. I don't think anyone has put a crazy number of miles on an N/A SC motor, but at least a couple have run 15lbs without catastrophic failure.......so far.