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BlackbirdSc94
06-14-2009, 02:15 AM
Ok Im new here so I just want to know how things go here as I appear to have offended someone unintentionally(spelling)

I attempted to buy some parts from someone and was all set to pay and I just asked for pics with his and my username on a peice of paper next to the parts and he got upset

this is after I asked

Your price is right....I don't play games when it comes to car parts. If you want the stuff, that's cool, but the paper request thing is goofy and I'm not gonna do that.


is the paypal address. I've been selling parts here and tccoa for 10 years and 75% of the people on the boards will know me from that.

This is after I explained that I was new around here and I dont know him or anyone else around here to just put trust in their word like that

People have purchased parts from me (new and return buyers) with no issues whatsoever. I sell some of the nicest used parts you'll find on the board. You can request anything you want, but I'm not going to jump through hoops (no matter the size) to sell some parts.

Think what you want, but do us both a favor and don't PM me about parts in the future


So he'll tear down a whole motor to sell some parts but he wont write on a peice of paper

Really, was my request that outrageous. Im just going by what I have observed on every forum I have ever been to (4-5 so its not that many)

the-big-e
06-14-2009, 08:48 AM
I don't really see a problem with a that.....

I've sold a lot of parts here, but never had a request like that.....:p

If the customer wants to see a picture with the user names on it to complete the sale, then so be it.....:)

Kevin Leitem
06-14-2009, 12:46 PM
I would rather sell to someone else. I would not want or like a request like that. I am not a computer type person. and it takes me forever to post pics, and it took me a while just to type this!

BlackbirdSc94
06-14-2009, 02:06 PM
I would rather sell to someone else. I would not want or like a request like that. I am not a computer type person. and it takes me forever to post pics, and it took me a while just to type this!

but im sure it would take you alot longer to tear down a motor than to figure out how to post pics.

Mike8675309
06-14-2009, 04:35 PM
While you have the right to ask, the seller has the right to tell you to go pound sand.

It's called the free market. And no, such a picture doesn't mean jack to me.

kenewagner
06-14-2009, 04:54 PM
I would probably do what the buyer asked for if I wanted to sell a part. I haven't ran into anyone yet on these boards that have scammed me. Personally if I am looking for a set of Kooks headers, for example, I would like to see a picture of them brfore paying out money, but having papers with dates and user names next to the parts isnt important to me personally

Ken

Kevin Leitem
06-14-2009, 05:12 PM
but im sure it would take you alot longer to tear down a motor than to figure out how to post pics.

was there an initial picture of this part? If not i would want to see it also. I always post a pic when i sell. but if someone asked for another angle or a specific spot i would gladly do so.but then again i do not just tear stuff down to sell. it is just the stuff i take off in order to upgrade. but if someone asked me for what you wanted i would rather sell to the next guy. if it makes you feel better then go for it.

90coug
06-14-2009, 10:09 PM
Yea, I don't understand what his big deal is either. If that would help the sale then I'd be all over it. You probably don't want to buy from this guy anyway, doesn't deserve your money. Find someone who isn't such a craba$$

David Neibert
06-14-2009, 10:14 PM
I've never heard of anyone asking for that. While I understand how that might make a new guy feel better, I could also understand how that might make someone who has built up a good rep over the years feel like you are questioning their honesty.

I'd take all the pics of the part that someone wants, but I wouldn't mess with taking pics of the part with notes or other stuff to prove I actually have the item I'm selling. I'd rather not sell to someone who doesn't trust me.

David

Ddubb
06-15-2009, 12:59 AM
A LOT of the time when youre on the other end selling a part, the potential buyer never follows through. Then you have to deal with the fact that other people have the same part for cheaper than what youre asking. Sometimes you only make a couple dollars off the sale when its done. Then you get these run-around questions or whatever else .. if you have GOOD parts to sell ( like Kooks headers ) you dont have a problem selling them - but if youre asking for little odds and ends parts, it can be a hassle to go find them, take a picture, put the picture online, etc ..

Heres some tips - check the seller's profile, look through some of their posts .. check the Join date - its in the upper right hand corner of each post .. chances are if theyve been here for a few years, and have quite a few posts, we're not going to rip you off. Im not saying this is fool proof, becasue it does happen - people have got bad deals here, and lost $$ and car parts .. its not a perfect world.

Youve only been here a month or less - I would have probably told you to do the same, stop wasting my time .. but I try to be a nice guy. For some of us who sell parts and part out these cars - all of the good $$ parts go quickly, or the donor parts will be used somewhere else, etc .. after that everything youre left with is basically junk. Some of us would rather tear down a motor ( for fun ) .. than haggle with people on the internet.

- Dan

VicRattlehead
06-15-2009, 01:26 AM
if i was asked to post a pic of a piece of paper with username etc id go to my thread and post "TTT" still for sale, thats as far as id go with that. also i wouldn't even bother to respond to your request.

XR7 Dave
06-15-2009, 07:54 AM
I have been scammed here on SCCOA, and I have no doubt that the person who advertised actually had the part I "bought", its just that they didn't "feel like" shipping it - -or something.

I understand where the picture with name thing comes from as I've seen that done many times across the internet. However, I also feel that those who do this are speaking to an audience that flat out doesn't believe them and are being essentially called out as liars. I would take offense if someone asked me to post a paper with my name next to a part I was selling. I don't appreciate being called a liar.

There are much better (and more effective) ways to research your sellers. Since this is a comparatively small message board and community, it is pretty easy to verify a seller.

XxSlowpokexX
06-15-2009, 01:27 PM
Of course verified sellars on here have scammed people as well..EVen ones we may have thought would never have done so....

Also I have been scammed and I dont see the request as being way off. Whoever it is that was selling isnt very understanding. They could have went about denying the request in a better way.

k_schutte
06-16-2009, 03:56 PM
Not at all... I am a very active member on a TON of other sites and that is pretty much just something everyone knows to do when they take pictures of the stuff for sale the first time around.

actualy on a few boards it is forum rule to show username/date in the pictures or the ad will be deleted and after 3 times you are banned... He obviously doesn't care ot make a sale so ~~~~ and buy form some one else...

ricardoa1
06-16-2009, 05:06 PM
of course verified sellars on here have scammed people as well..even ones we may have thought would never have done so....

Also i have been scammed and i dont see the request as being way off. Whoever it is that was selling isnt very understanding. They could have went about denying the request in a better way.



even vendors ;)

90blkbrd
06-17-2009, 01:21 PM
I've seen this many times on other forums. I would this "Proof of ownership". On a Lexus forum anyone can be called out by a administrator for proof of the item or trustworthiness of the sell by having another (high post count) member vouch for them.

How do you know that the picture posted is of the actual part for sale and not one pulled from somewhere else? I've seen this happen in our own for sale forum.

I won't mention who or the part, but if I would have seen a picture of the actual part I would nave never purchased it.

sinhumane
06-18-2009, 11:44 PM
i dont find this ridiculous at all. it should not be insulting to the seller at all. its nothing personal, but if i dont know someone on this board that well, or they cant be vouched for, i'm not taking a chance of getting burned. point in case, end of story.

rwami18
12-25-2010, 11:50 PM
I got scammed here on SCCOA with a couple of other guys. It was the guy that said he was making halo headlights for us. Sent him $550.00 dollars through paypal. When I figured out that I wasn't going to get my headlights I contacted paypal they said they would do all that they can. But their was no money in his account to draw back to give to me. I haven't forgoten about this, and it still pisses me off, that ppl can do that to another. That was my hard earned money in Iraq my first tour.:mad:

To get to the point. Even if you got a pic of ur usernames and all that it wouldn't matter. I gave IC3 (internet crime department) all the emails between me and him. His username, address, email, phone number, and even his myspace. I still haven't heard a damn thing. That was back in 06-07 time frame. I have had a lot of SUCCESS on here, but I make sure to ask around now, or look at the posts they have posted, and how long they have been a member and so forth.

Dirtyd0g
12-26-2010, 12:51 AM
I guess it depends on how badly they want to sell it. If it is an expensive hard to sell item it may be worth the trouble, I think it is an odd request that could be offensive. I am a little confused, if the parts are from Kevin I am sure about 50 people here will vouch for him. I personally shipped a converter to him before payment was made and he paid me promptly. I don't do that for many people. As David said this is a relatively small community, research the seller if you are in doubt. I find this to be one of the best groups of guys to be around for a no nonsense atmosphere. We generally all have the same interests around here and look out for each other.
Alan

XxSlowpokexX
12-27-2010, 03:51 PM
I got scammed here on SCCOA with a couple of other guys. It was the guy that said he was making halo headlights for us. Sent him $550.00 dollars through paypal. When I figured out that I wasn't going to get my headlights I contacted paypal they said they would do all that they can. But their was no money in his account to draw back to give to me. I haven't forgoten about this, and it still pisses me off, that ppl can do that to another. That was my hard earned money in Iraq my first tour.:mad:

To get to the point. Even if you got a pic of ur usernames and all that it wouldn't matter. I gave IC3 (internet crime department) all the emails between me and him. His username, address, email, phone number, and even his myspace. I still haven't heard a damn thing. That was back in 06-07 time frame. I have had a lot of SUCCESS on here, but I make sure to ask around now, or look at the posts they have posted, and how long they have been a member and so forth.

I remember that guy. Dam shame. I had a sim experience with someone on another board for 300 bucks...I even found out where he lived..FBI internext crime unit...No luck//I was tempted to pay him a visit.....Live and learn

BlackbirdSc94
12-28-2010, 11:58 AM
I remember that guy. Dam shame. I had a sim experience with someone on another board for 300 bucks...I even found out where he lived..FBI internext crime unit...No luck//I was tempted to pay him a visit.....Live and learn

See thats what Im trying to avoi­, because if it was me and in my means I would have paid someone a visit over 300 bucks, hell anything over 75 and Id be ready to call some friends and take a roadtrip. Dont mean to come off wrong but money is your time and time is life, I dont think those are things average people can afford to just throw away.

Another point. Walmarts reputable right?? You ever got a box of ceral or food that everyone including you thought was fine till you got home and noticed it got cut by the box opener and your product is now stale...~~~~ happens....What if you walked in walma«t and asked to see a TV they didnt have on the shelf and the guy said "We're Walmart buddy Im not going to the back just to get a TV so you can look at it, better just trust me.....its great and its not broke" You would drive your ~~~ down the street to Best Buy ect. in search of some better CUSTOMER SERVICE.

Sometimes sellers online forget that the person paying ´s a real life customer. I know aot of you guys from my time here and yes there are people that I wouldnt hassle about this at all, the guy I mentioned isnt one of them, even if hes been here long and sold to many. I havnt seen it or anything else to make me put trust in him like that, hell I dont trust most of the people I see day to day, why would I trust a group of words on a screen with a person behind em thats half way across the country because he said so?? Id rather be "offensive" as some people put it and keep my money in my pocket than be overly trusting and get ripped off. Guess some people like to be "offensive" and keep their parts in their closet lol

Thanks for the replies everyone, nice to get a feel for the boards opinion on this one;

90coug
12-28-2010, 12:25 PM
What if you walked in walma«t and asked to see a TV they didnt have on the shelf and the guy said "We're Walmart buddy Im not going to the back just to get a TV so you can look at it, better just trust me.....its great and its not broke" You would drive your ~~~ down the street to Best Buy ect. in search of some better CUSTOMER SERVICE.

Back in the day I bought a TV from Walmart and it was broken! I was pissed; I should have looked at it before carrying it out the door. First and last time I ever purchased a TV new. I returned that ~~~ and found a better one on craigslist.

mywhite89
12-30-2010, 09:15 AM
The picture request is fine for sure. The note request I have never personally seen other than person to person buying a used car. I would have thought it was a stupid request.

If someone requested that from me I would have all kinds of thoughts going through my mind like that person is probably a pain to deal with and must have all kinds of problems buying parts because they are tough to please. Another vote for no sale from me. I work in the buying and selling world, some people are not worth the grief to sell anything to and will never be pleased with whatever you do. Keep things simple, or forget it.

No offense to anyone, just the thought that would cross my mind with that request.:)

Chris

Flip
01-04-2011, 06:58 PM
Another vote for picture request, never heard of attaching a note to a photo.

Stuff does happen, had the worst luck on this site. Parts that were listed as great or mint is no where near that. That's why photos are great. :D

I normally paypal by C Card rather than cash because if you never get your parts or they are really miss-represented then you can send them back and ask your CC for a refund. Unless I really know them and have their e-mail in the system.

I even had a member here send me the wrong e-mail address for payment, which he never got. But the guy with that e-mail address accepted it and if it was not for my C Card company I would be been out $330. Took almost 3 months to straighten out.

Dirtyd0g
01-12-2011, 01:58 PM
Don't trust paypal to protect your purchase. I purchased a set of 4.30 gears and a 28 spline traction lock carrier from a guy. I got a set of stock 3.55's and a 31 spline carrier. The explorer take out crap that is everywhere. I tried to be nice thinking the guy accidentally sent me the wrong thing but eventually called paypal when he told me I was an idiot and they really were what he claimed them to be (even after posting pictures on that forum). Paypal basically told me that if the guy had sent me anything they wren't liable. I said to them so you are telling me I could sell a guy a $1000 torque converter and ship him a core and he can't do a thing about it. They said that is correct. I closed my account, but eventually I opened another because some people want to pay that way.
Alan

decipha
01-12-2011, 02:26 PM
i had my credit card info stolen someone used it to buy some things from sears netflix and skype, i called all 3 to get information and they all refused to talk to me, they did all give me a refund though but still, if they were to give me an address i would have obliged

Plat0ribs
03-10-2011, 06:56 PM
See thats what Im trying to avoi­, because if it was me and in my means I would have paid someone a visit over 300 bucks, hell anything over 75 and Id be ready to call some friends and take a roadtrip. Dont mean to come off wrong but money is your time and time is life, I dont think those are things average people can afford to just throw away.

Another point. Walmarts reputable right?? You ever got a box of ceral or food that everyone including you thought was fine till you got home and noticed it got cut by the box opener and your product is now stale...~~~~ happens....What if you walked in walma«t and asked to see a TV they didnt have on the shelf and the guy said "We're Walmart buddy Im not going to the back just to get a TV so you can look at it, better just trust me.....its great and its not broke" You would drive your ~~~ down the street to Best Buy ect. in search of some better CUSTOMER SERVICE.

Sometimes sellers online forget that the person paying ´s a real life customer. I know aot of you guys from my time here and yes there are people that I wouldnt hassle about this at all, the guy I mentioned isnt one of them, even if hes been here long and sold to many. I havnt seen it or anything else to make me put trust in him like that, hell I dont trust most of the people I see day to day, why would I trust a group of words on a screen with a person behind em thats half way across the country because he said so?? Id rather be "offensive" as some people put it and keep my money in my pocket than be overly trusting and get ripped off. Guess some people like to be "offensive" and keep their parts in their closet lol

Thanks for the replies everyone, nice to get a feel for the boards opinion on this one;

At the end of the day, if someone wants to rip you off, how is a picture of the part with notes going to assure you of delivery?

Dahoopd
03-11-2011, 10:00 AM
I got scammed here on SCCOA with a couple of other guys. It was the guy that said he was making halo headlights for us. Sent him $550.00 dollars through paypal.

This is when there should be a tight nit group amongst the club. If someone has been jacked, a member living close to the person should attempt to reconcile it by contacting the person or knocking on their door. It may not resolve the issue but it would help and may provide more info as if the person still resides at the address etc. I know if someone knocked on my door because I screwed someone over, it would make me give a second thought.

Im not the biggest dude but can be persuasive at times and would be willing to step up for anyone in the club. Im not saying go to jail or place oneself in harms way but just approaching it may help get the situation rectified. If not, than for a few bucks, life can be made a living hell.

XxSlowpokexX
03-11-2011, 11:16 PM
I know and realize that noone likes to get ripped off and it does unfortunately happen. But I have also learned, and unfortunately the hard way ...that as much as I'd like to hurt someone, the outcome is almost inevitably bad and it's best to let someone else give that person the smackdown...Because it "will" eventually happen. Some call it Karma...I call it the law of averages.

Still I always give people the benifit of the doubt unles they have proven otherwise. Ive become rather mellow with age:D

skydivr7673
03-12-2011, 01:52 PM
Guys, I am a moderator on a different car club, and my specialty is handling these kinds of issues due to my background. And I have seen it all....from minor $10 disputes to a shop giving someone the shaft for $37,000 plus his car that he cannot find after six years of looking. The basic bottom line is that if someone is determined, they will scam people. The only things we can do is to protect ourselves with some good common sense.

1--NEVER PAY WITH ANYTHING OTHER THAN A CREDIT CARD THROUGH PAYPAL. This is vital. Many people know this--paypal usually doesnt care too much about your dispute unless you bought the item in question through ebay. But I have seen them find in favor of the buyer in some cases. Using your credit card is vital because it will provide you with a whole different level of protection. When paypal doesnt do much for you, you can call your CC company and initiate a chargeback when someone screws you over.

2--REPORT PEOPLE WHO SCAM YOU. Report them anywhere and everywhere that you can. Report them on the feedback sections here. Report them to paypal, if you used paypal. Report them to the FBI's internet crime division--what someone already mentioned. By the way, about that IC3 thing, you guys need to be aware that IC3 will NOT investigate your claims. They will forward the complaint on to the appropriate local law enforcement agency. Normally, in my experience, that local agency will either toss the complaint into the circular file or chuck it into a file cabinet and forget about it. Some years ago, on another forum, we had a guy that was scamming dozens of people, selling parts he didnt have and running with the money. He tried to scam me but I live locally to him and when I asked to meet him to check out the motor he wanted me to buy, he suddenly had a change of heart. I had everyone involved file IC3 reports and forward me all the details, documented in writing. I then took the whole lot of it and marched into the police department local to where this scammer lived. They didnt exhibit one ounce of concern that a guy who was already a convicted felon(car theft and drugs) was taking hundreds, even thousands of bucks from people in their jurisdiction. Incidentally, that crook has graduated to bank fraud, forging federal and bank documents, and grand larceny...in his last scams he was taking $15,000 or more at a time from people. And thats when we got the feds finally involved. My point? Simple--the more you get the scammers name out there, the more people can avoid being the next one scammed.

If anyone here has questions or youre dealing with someone that ripped you off, feel free to contact me about it. I might be able to help.

paintme205
08-05-2011, 04:34 PM
Personally since I sell a lot of parts online and especially on tccoa, I would have taken the picture for you. Alot of people don't want to mess with it though.

It seems the newest way of making sure you have something is asking for either a custom angle/pic or having your account page in the background of the picture. It does help people know you actually have the part.

It doesn't mean they will ship it though.

So yeah your request wasn't unreasonable from my perspective but just be prepared that many people aren't as willing as me. Especially when they know the part will sell soon (kooks headers) to someone else who will make it easy for them.

My 2 cents.