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90coug
07-01-2009, 05:41 PM
What's everyone's opinion on an upgraded intercooler?

Stick with stock?

Besides the ridiculous price the MP FMIC it's the way to go, or is it a bad idea since a lot of people report engine cooling issues?

Go with a custom FMIC?

Double intercooler?

Melon
07-01-2009, 07:05 PM
Double IC for me.. Specifically, a KW special :cool:

-Melon

Mike8675309
07-01-2009, 08:52 PM
The double IC's that KennyW has been building have proven to be efficient enough and you don't cause issues with engine coolant temps.

mywhite89
07-01-2009, 08:58 PM
I've got the mpfmic. I have heard good things about kenne wagners built double intercoolers. That is what I would go with if I did it over again. My engine runs cooler now, but I have the ac condensor removed and the front chin spoiler. In anything above 85 degree temperatures, I don't like to drive on the highway.

qc89SC
07-02-2009, 12:27 AM
i think double IC is the best BANG! for the bucks! ill go for it when ill have more $$$

nickleman60
07-02-2009, 01:25 PM
What's everyone's opinion on an upgraded intercooler?

Stick with stock?

Besides the ridiculous price the MP FMIC it's the way to go, or is it a bad idea since a lot of people report engine cooling issues?

Go with a custom FMIC?

Double intercooler?

It depends on your skills. If you have minimum skills go with a double i/c or if your pocket can afford it an MP unit, they're direct bolt-ons. If you can weld and fab up custom pipes then install a custom set up, that's what I did on 2 of my SC's and the 3rd has a double i/c which I made. My custom fmic's set me back for around $350 a piece, i/c, pipe kit, silicone couplers and t-bolts plus welding, I have access to an awesome welder for free.................:D

90coug
07-02-2009, 01:40 PM
It depends on your skills. If you have minimum skills go with a double i/c or if your pocket can afford it an MP unit, they're direct bolt-ons. If you can weld and fab up custom pipes then install a custom set up, that's what I did on 2 of my SC's and the 3rd has a double i/c which I made. My custom fmic's set me back for around $350 a piece, i/c, pipe kit, silicone couplers and t-bolts plus welding, I have access to an awesome welder for free.................:D

I've read a lot of people having overheating issues with the front mounts. Yea you can remove the A/C and put up a deflector but I like my A/C.

I work with computers so I haven't been around welding a whole lot and the few times I tried it turned out horrible :p. However my buddy weld's decently and has the equipment at his shop so it's definitely something I could get done. I'm starting to lean towards the DIC but it's not set in stone and still very curious what everyone might have to say.

QuickMustang
07-02-2009, 11:16 PM
Next option...Water to Air IC...Best option and can run you around the same as a front mount or double IC, but once again you have to make your own custom pipes..

fturner
07-03-2009, 09:30 AM
From what I've datalogged, the KW DIC is a good option but modify the bellows that attaches to the stock IC so it fits snugly against the DIC so air is forced into it and not around. Air is like water, it will take the path of least resistance so you need to force the issue.

I have the MP chin spoiler and a full size a/c condensor and the ACT's will only go up about 20 to 25 degrees down the 1/4, with the temperature leveling out at about 75 mph. I don't see spark getting pulled anymore because of ACT's on a 80F day.

Normal cruising at highway speeds, ACT's sit about 5 degrees above ambient. I have a fan on it and it seems to do fine at keeping the temps down at low speeds/city driving but act's do go up so it'll sit around 10 to 15 above ambient, and takes longer to cool down after romping the go pedal.

Thats running a late model ported blower at 10%.

Fraser

RedSC93
07-05-2009, 12:25 AM
Stick with stock and put a IC fan on it. Save money for something else..

fturner
07-05-2009, 08:32 AM
Stock IC with a fan allowed temp increases of at least 40 degrees on a cool day down the 1/4. This means hitting upwards of 140 to 150 degrees and I've logged temps as high as 190F. Thats with just 5% OD on the blower. The car was pulling 4 degrees of timing by 140 degrees and on my car the knock sensor was detecting detonation at around 145F with a full 8 degrees of retard.

Lets see, thats 12 degrees of timing which means at 5000 rpm's you'd only be seeing 14 degrees of timing at that point, compared to the 26 the car should be running.

Your choice ;).

Fraser

90coug
07-06-2009, 01:02 PM
Stock IC with a fan allowed temp increases of at least 40 degrees on a cool day down the 1/4. This means hitting upwards of 140 to 150 degrees and I've logged temps as high as 190F. Thats with just 5% OD on the blower. The car was pulling 4 degrees of timing by 140 degrees and on my car the knock sensor was detecting detonation at around 145F with a full 8 degrees of retard.

Lets see, thats 12 degrees of timing which means at 5000 rpm's you'd only be seeing 14 degrees of timing at that point, compared to the 26 the car should be running.

Your choice ;).

Fraser



So a single IC with a fan is rising 40 degrees down the 1/4 mile while your MP FMIC is seeing 20 to 25 degrees down the mile, good to know. Are you running an aluminum radiator to help cool the engine? Done any data logging with a doubleIC? Curious if my fan would still have room to fit on the DIC?

Pablo94SC
07-07-2009, 12:34 AM
So a single IC with a fan is rising 40 degrees down the 1/4 mile while your MP FMIC is seeing 20 to 25 degrees down the mile, good to know. Are you running an aluminum radiator to help cool the engine? Done any data logging with a doubleIC? Curious if my fan would still have room to fit on the DIC?

No no.. he's got a Ken Wagner DBL IC. It's really a good unit, but like he said (and is true of all air-air intercoolers), you'll want to make sure air gets to it to be effective. I just removed my washer fluid reservoir on my '94 in preparation to relocate it and fab up some duct work specifically for that task.

freeline95
07-08-2009, 12:19 AM
Has anyone ever tried to mount an IC off of a diesel pickup truck?? Just an idea that I had, considering that I'm a Diesel mechanic and that's all I ever see is a diesel engen with a turbo. I figured that some of the smaller trucks might actually be a good fit and might be really efficient. I don't know just a thought...:rolleyes:

S_Mazza
07-30-2009, 01:33 PM
Stock IC with a fan allowed temp increases of at least 40 degrees on a cool day down the 1/4. This means hitting upwards of 140 to 150 degrees and I've logged temps as high as 190F. Thats with just 5% OD on the blower. The car was pulling 4 degrees of timing by 140 degrees and on my car the knock sensor was detecting detonation at around 145F with a full 8 degrees of retard.
Fraser

Fraser,

Just wondering - did the IC fan have a shroud to the IC or was it just mounted up? Thanks.

fturner
07-30-2009, 02:22 PM
no shroud on the single IC... and I removed the shroud from my DIC and got better cooling.

The biggest problem with the shroud I'm thinking now is not so much the shroud but the lack of fan. Those little 8" fans don't exactly move alot of air, and with the shroud on the only thing moving air through the IC is the fan, even at high speeds. Triple the flow capacity of the fan and it might be a viable option, but until then, you need to rely on the negative pressure on the engine side of the IC/DIC to move the air through them, and the shroud defeats that.

Fraser

rapper33142
11-04-2010, 04:50 PM
do u have a pic of the DIC WITHOUT THE shroud !!!!!

91BLOWNBIRD
11-04-2010, 08:14 PM
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11-04-2010, 10:15 PM
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91BLOWNBIRD
11-04-2010, 11:31 PM
yeah I know I tend to put EVERY mod I have...I just like people to be able to see everything just in case they like what they see

Crash00527
02-16-2011, 12:52 AM
front mount all the way. better SC performance, cooling and looks hot.

SuperCoupe007
06-20-2012, 07:14 PM
I know it's an old post, but I figured I would make my contribution :p

So, I finally got around to installing a custom made double intercooler (w/ fan & w/o shroud). The IC had been sitting around for a few years now. :)

ganuolfthegrey
06-22-2012, 09:51 PM
double ic and meth for the win

XxSlowpokexX
06-25-2012, 08:27 PM
I know it's an old post, but I figured I would make my contribution :p

So, I finally got around to installing a custom made double intercooler (w/ fan & w/o shroud). The IC had been sitting around for a few years now. :)

superslowpoke

90coug
07-06-2012, 11:51 AM
Okay, I'm reporting back after three years of using the Double Intercooler.

If I was to start over I would have taken the time and effort and installed a custom front mount.

My ACT's are seeing 200F with just normal summer driving, on average hover around 130-150F.

This is normal as it's not getting any better air flow but I was a bit naive back in '09 and didn’t really understand that. I will say this; the DIC is a great built unit and adds a bit of pizazz under the hood. It also helped the choking I was seeing from the single stock Intercooler, it helped tremendously in that department. My MPX can breathe easier now.



So, I'm now going to vote and say a custom front mount FTW!




EDIT: I'll have a double intercooler up for sale within the next month. :rolleyes: :p

-B


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DrFishbone
07-06-2012, 12:08 PM
Okay, I'm reporting back after three years of using the Double Intercooler.

If I was to start over I would have taken the time and effort and installed a custom front mount.

My ACT's are seeing 200F with just normal summer driving. On average hover around 130-150F



So, I'm now going to vote and say a custom front mount FTW!




EDIT: I'll have a double intercooler up for sale within the next month. :rolleyes: :p

-B


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Do you have a fan on it? What about a shroud?

My car runs at 190 max in traffic with the tune and FMIC, but ACT's from a hot stop to WOT will go up to 130 or 140 by the time I hit 100mph. I'm going to add an alky injection system and see what that does for my ACT's, but
overall, I think I have a good balance for the mods I have. If anything, I might go with a little bigger IC.

Making your own FMIC setup will be fun. :cool:

90coug
07-06-2012, 12:12 PM
Do you have a fan on it? What about a shroud?

My car runs at 190 max in traffic with the tune and FMIC, but ACT's from a hot stop to WOT will go up to 130 or 140 by the time I hit 100mph. I'm going to add an alky injection system and see what that does for my ACT's, but
overall, I think I have a good balance for the mods I have. If anything, I might go with a little bigger IC.

Making your own FMIC setup will be fun. :cool:


Yes, I had a shroud and fan and while the fan might have helped a tiny bit it wasn't worth it, IMO. I even took the shroud off and mounted the fan directly to the intercooler with little or no gain.

Yea, I'm looking forward to a few additional mods for the Chameleon. Just need to find that motivation again.

DrFishbone
07-06-2012, 12:52 PM
Yes, I had a shroud and fan and while the fan might have helped a tiny bit it wasn't worth it, IMO. I even took the shroud off and mounted the fan directly to the intercooler with little or no gain.

Yea, I'm looking forward to a few additional mods for the Chameleon. Just need to find that motivation again.

I guess I used the wrong term saying "shroud"..:o

Did you have something to force air through the IC - similar to the big factory rubber boot?

90coug
07-06-2012, 01:02 PM
I guess I used the wrong term saying "shroud"..:o

Did you have something to force air through the IC - similar to the big factory rubber boot?

Yea, I retained that accordion looking thing, wasn't easy to get it in and align right but it's in there. I did notice that once that was installed again it took a bit longer to get to the higher temps, so that seems important to preserve.

91BLOWNBIRD
07-06-2012, 04:24 PM
I have an 11x24 FMIC core with dual 10" fans and on days that are 90*+ it hovers around 110* with regular driving shifting at 3k

Oh yeah really happy with it :)

No Injection either

SuperCoupe007
07-10-2012, 02:48 PM
superslowpoke

Better late then never :p

decipha
08-21-2012, 08:31 AM
the best intercooler is none, intercoolers retain heat

bypass the intercooler and spray meth on it, that will solve all your issues its cheaper more reliable less restrictive and enables you to make more powah!!!

64.5 Stang
10-10-2013, 07:58 PM
the best intercooler is none, intercoolers retain heat

bypass the intercooler and spray meth on it, that will solve all your issues its cheaper more reliable less restrictive and enables you to make more powah!!!

I did some research and that is what I'm going to do. I bought an Aqua Mist kit with a low fluid level sensor.

Scott Long
10-11-2013, 07:50 AM
Decipha was talking about this for years. I saw one car that had a pipe made to connect the outlet of the supercharger to the return plenum on the intake. It ran like ~~~~. Way to hot of an air charge temp, timing couldn't be retarded enough to make it run good, car felt like a turd, and it popped the headgaskets. You'd have to constatntly spray the meth. Unless you want to tow a water tank behind you to hold your meth mixture, its just a stupid idea. For a car that runs race fuel and only runs for a 1/4 mile at a time, MAYBE you could make it work but for a street car, air to air intercooling is where its at.

DrFishbone
10-11-2013, 08:01 AM
I did some research and that is what I'm going to do. I bought an Aqua Mist kit with a low fluid level sensor.

Build an intercooler and use the aquamist on top of that, when needed.

Assuming a street car, you'll have a recurring cost running meth all the time, which will make it expensive in the long run. Air is free! :D

Not to mention, an IC is "more reliable", since it does not depend on lines, a pump, nozzles, controller, wiring to all be in working order to bring your intake temps down (and therefore help inhibit detonation).

I love my Alky injection system, but I think it would be a poor decision to run it alone on a forced-induction, performance oriented street car. I had toyed with the idea not long ago, but after thinking about it..nah.

DrFishbone
10-11-2013, 08:04 AM
I did some research and that is what I'm going to do. I bought an Aqua Mist kit with a low fluid level sensor.

Btw, I you're wanting to do this anyway, I would at least get a flow meter and tie it into whatever engine management system you have...if we're talking about an SC, use the SPOUT plug. Pull 8 degrees of timing, should the system fail.