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Super XR7
11-01-2009, 01:03 PM
Gaging interested in a electric water pump kit for the 3.8 SC motors. The kit would include a Meziere 55 gallon/minute water pump with a idler pully that lines up with our acc belt. A two piece interface block that has the heater outlet, thermostat bypass outlet, a 1.25" inlet tube. This block will bolt to the timing chain cover in place of the mechanical pump and then the electric waterpump would bolt to the two piece block. I have had a prototype on my car for the last 1.5" years and has exceeded all expectations. We are expecting to start manufacturing in December with deliverys in January. The cost for the complete kit would be somewhere around $650; depending on the amount of interest. Questions?

Who would be interested in a group buy?

Mike

Nettlesd
11-01-2009, 02:15 PM
I think this is great but you might find more buyers willing to part with their money sometime after the new year once people have a chance to recover from their Christmas purchases.

Now, you can do what you want since this is your post but I do believe it is something to really consider.

Super XR7
11-01-2009, 03:35 PM
I thought it would be a good thing to talk to Santa about.:D

Mike

92sclikenew
11-01-2009, 04:08 PM
I thought it would be a good thing to talk to Santa about.:D

Mike

i would be interested but wouldnt have a penny till taxs to do somthing like this.. and the price is kind of out of my budget..

what does it help do? just free rotating weight? and look sweet!

Mike8675309
11-01-2009, 04:18 PM
I'm interested... Could you give some idea on your experience so far. I'm a bit gun shy on electric pumps for longevity. In the 1.5 years, do you have a feel for how many miles or hours you have put on the pump? any issues with fuses wiring? What kind of draw does the pump have?

BLOWN38
11-01-2009, 06:22 PM
I'm in!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike it uses the pump sold for the 4.6's correct?

Super XR7
11-01-2009, 06:37 PM
I'm in!!!!!!!!!!!!! Mike it uses the pump sold for the 4.6's correct?

Yes, with a modified idler pully.

Mike

BLOWN38
11-01-2009, 08:32 PM
Can the modded pulley easily be swapped if the motor needs to be replaced?

Super XR7
11-01-2009, 09:26 PM
Can the modded pulley easily be swapped if the motor needs to be replaced?

Yes it is removable.

Super XR7
11-01-2009, 09:34 PM
I'm interested... Could you give some idea on your experience so far. I'm a bit gun shy on electric pumps for longevity. In the 1.5 years, do you have a feel for how many miles or hours you have put on the pump? any issues with fuses wiring? What kind of draw does the pump have?


Meziere warrents thier pumps for 2 years and is one of the best that can be had. Advantages with the electric waterpump vs the mechanical are:

Constant flow at any rpm - unlike the mechanical which flow varies with motor rpm

Mechanical loads the crank - less load on the crank means faster revving motor

Ability to cool motor by circulating coolant with motor off.

11-14 horsepower gain - numbers from Meziere

There maybe others - I am sure the experts will chime in.

Mike

Roadhawg
11-01-2009, 10:45 PM
I'm in........................
Will it be possible to get the kit with the Meziere 55 gallon/minute water pump without an idler pulley?

tbirdaj
11-01-2009, 11:17 PM
Count me in.:)

Super XR7
11-02-2009, 06:21 AM
I'm in........................
Will it be possible to get the kit with the Meziere 55 gallon/minute water pump without an idler pulley?

Yes, we can do that.

XR7 Dave
11-02-2009, 09:05 AM
You know that I am in for one. I'd like 2 but might have to wait until next time for the 2nd.

BLOWN38
11-02-2009, 12:14 PM
I'm interested... Could you give some idea on your experience so far. I'm a bit gun shy on electric pumps for longevity. In the 1.5 years, do you have a feel for how many miles or hours you have put on the pump? any issues with fuses wiring? What kind of draw does the pump have?

Mike, I've got a couple marauders running around with these pumps with zero problems. Never blown any fuses. I guess they've been on the cars for about 3 years now.

SCrazy
11-02-2009, 05:26 PM
Sure....no sooner to I agree to buy wheels and this pops up.

The kids can survive on PB&J......I'm in.

Roadhawg
11-03-2009, 08:47 AM
A two piece interface block that has the heater outlet, thermostat bypass outlet, a 1.25" inlet tube. This block will bolt to the timing chain cover in place of the mechanical pump and then the electric waterpump would bolt to the two piece block.

Questions?

Mike

Are the heater outlet, bypass and inlet machined into the two piece interface or are they threaded in?
Will the two piece interface be available separately, for those of us that like to have spare parts on the shelf?

CMac89
11-03-2009, 11:30 AM
I'm in for the housing only without the heater/bypass ports.

ScrapSC
11-03-2009, 04:34 PM
Let me see if Santa will bring one to me!!! I am very interested!

Super XR7
11-03-2009, 08:29 PM
Are the heater outlet, bypass and inlet machined into the two piece interface or are they threaded in?
Will the two piece interface be available separately, for those of us that like to have spare parts on the shelf?

The heater hose outlet and the bypass are threaded in - the inlet in its current design is welded but may change to threaded in.

Mike

Roadhawg
11-03-2009, 10:39 PM
The heater hose outlet and the bypass are threaded in - the inlet in its current design is welded but may change to threaded in.

Mike

If the inlet was threaded 1" NPT, Moroso has the following adapters already available.

Moroso #......................Description/Application
63541...........Water Pump/Radiator Hose Adapter, 1" NPT to -16 AN hose
63542...........Water Pump/Radiator Hose Adapter, 1" NPT to 1-1/2" hose
63543...........Water Pump/Radiator Hose Adapter, 1" NPT to 1-3/4" hose
63544...........Water Pump/Radiator Hose Adapter, 1" NPT to 1-1/4" hose

Super XR7
11-04-2009, 07:44 AM
If the inlet was threaded 1" NPT, Moroso has the following adapters already available.

Moroso #......................Description/Application
63541...........Water Pump/Radiator Hose Adapter, 1" NPT to -16 AN hose
63542...........Water Pump/Radiator Hose Adapter, 1" NPT to 1-1/2" hose
63543...........Water Pump/Radiator Hose Adapter, 1" NPT to 1-3/4" hose
63544...........Water Pump/Radiator Hose Adapter, 1" NPT to 1-1/4" hose

They are on our list to look at. Initial concern is the smaller inner diameter of the adapter. We don't want restrictions.

Mike

Roadhawg
11-09-2009, 06:56 PM
The cost for the complete kit would be somewhere around $650; depending on the amount of interest. Questions?

Who would be interested in a group buy?

Mike

So what is the minimum amount of people need for this group but to happen?

XxSlowpokexX
11-11-2009, 01:31 AM
definitely interested

nickleman60
04-11-2010, 04:12 PM
Anything happening with this group buy?

Super XR7
04-11-2010, 04:49 PM
We are making machining fixtures now. We will start a pilot run next.

Roadhawg
04-13-2010, 09:27 AM
The heater hose outlet and the bypass are threaded in - the inlet in its current design is welded but may change to threaded in.

Mike

Mike,
Which inlet style did you decide to go with, welded or threaded?

Thanks,
Todd

BLOWN38
04-13-2010, 08:54 PM
Sweet I was just thinking about this!:cool:

Super XR7
04-14-2010, 06:37 AM
Mike,
Which inlet style did you decide to go with, welded or threaded?

Thanks,
Todd

I am calling on Mezire to help answer that question. It would be far easier and cheaper to add a threaded inlet. My concern would be the reduce ID, thus flow. I am thinking that the system restriction would be the thermostat and not a threaded inlet; I will see what they have to say. Any comments?

Mike

Roadhawg
04-14-2010, 07:08 AM
I am calling on Mezire to help answer that question. It would be far easier and cheaper to add a threaded inlet. My concern would be the reduce ID, thus flow. I am thinking that the system restriction would be the thermostat and not a threaded inlet; I will see what they have to say. Any comments?

Mike


I believe the slight reduction in size of the inlet, would be a small compromise, compared to the benefits of a thread inlet, with the increased flexibility it would offer.

Todd

XR7 Dave
04-14-2010, 07:37 AM
I agree on the threaded.

Mike8675309
04-14-2010, 08:53 AM
I also like the idea of threaded fittings vs welded. The increased flexibility is significant. Unless Mezire has something negative to say about it(.i.e there may be something related to pressure differentials and achieving any flow.) I would prefer the threaded fittings, even if some reduction of flow occurs for the heater circuit.

SCRACING?
04-15-2010, 06:29 AM
Add another interested person, whats the plan on this as far as time frame? just curious

Super XR7
04-15-2010, 06:44 AM
We recieved the material in yesterday, once we finish developing the machining code; we will start. Looks like mid to late May.

Mike

Kurt K
04-15-2010, 07:40 AM
We recieved the material in yesterday, once we finish developing the machining code; we will start. Looks like mid to late May.

Mike
ugh, the timing is killing me. Don't forget about the A-frame support:D

Super XR7
04-19-2010, 10:02 AM
ugh, the timing is killing me. Don't forget about the A-frame support:D

Kurt, can you send me a couple of pics of the AR mount bracket at the point where is mounts to the waterpump?

Mike

Kurt K
04-19-2010, 11:12 AM
Kurt, can you send me a couple of pics of the AR mount bracket at the point where is mounts to the waterpump?

MikeThe car is up in the air on the lift with exhaust in the way to prevent me from lowering it. I will see if I can snap a picture from a ladder:) Anyway, the bracket mounts to the 2 long waterpump studs, although I think some people had to relocate them for the bracket to work.

rzimmerl
04-19-2010, 11:14 AM
I have a good shot of the A frame support installed on my home computer, I'll post the picture later this afternoon.

Kurt K
04-19-2010, 01:34 PM
I found a couple of pictures here on the site.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=40277&d=1256933020
http://www.motortopia.com/files/3211/album_2009_work/4aec4a3557f60/mounts.jpg
http://www.motortopia.com/files/cars/album_2009_work/4a230d1d31d14/DSCF2847JPG_Thumbnail1.jpg

rzimmerl
04-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Here's a straight open shot of the A frame.

Super XR7
04-19-2010, 06:08 PM
Thanks! Let me do some figuring.

Mike

XxSlowpokexX
04-20-2010, 11:28 AM
More stuff to buy..GREAT!:eek: