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Bjarvis
01-08-2010, 07:43 AM
I'm just kind of curious what everyone thinks, I'm bias because I own a 35th. For the people who don't own either it would be interesting to see what they think.

Knightwing
01-08-2010, 08:54 AM
I would love to have a 5-speed Anni.

Heck, I would like a 5-speed SC period :)

gmonie6
01-08-2010, 10:01 AM
I don't believe the 147 5-speed Anny myth.

Once I started looking for one I found several without trying much.

Bjarvis
01-08-2010, 10:22 AM
I don't either, but I still don't think more than 6 or 7 hundred were built.

Kurt K
01-08-2010, 10:50 AM
I couldn't decide, so I have one of each. :D

MadMikeyL
01-08-2010, 12:30 PM
I voted for the 35th, assuming both are in equal shape. The 35th seats are without a doubt my favorite factory seat in any car I've sat in. Plus I prefer the earlier body style and dashboard to the 94/95s.

ricardoa1
01-08-2010, 01:39 PM
Are you looking for collectebility?

It easier to find an Anny as they are all the same, You get the black interior and the same paint scheme.
With the 95 5spd you need to find the correct color and interior. Makes it for a harder car to find if you are picky. So its a better market for the 95s because of this complication. You also get a newer car when you buy 95 cars.

But 20 years from now the Anniversary will be the one people will look for since that is the trim that Ford but extra effort to distinguish them from the rest.

Regul8r
01-09-2010, 01:21 AM
I have a 94 5-spd... MORE interested in an Anni!

LOVE the Extra effort they put in the early Anni SCs.

Melon
01-09-2010, 08:25 PM
I couldn't decide, so I have one of each. :D

I'm working that :) I'll be adding a 94 5spd to my flock in a few years.

-Melon

txsc
01-11-2010, 07:58 PM
This is a highly personal choice, and dependent upon a number of factors from the prospective owner's perspective. There is no "right" or "wrong" answer.

Disclaimer: I'd like to have any of these cars in nice, original, low-mileage condition. I don't dislike any SC year or model. They are all desireable and collectible.

But, since I don't yet own any of the subject models, here are my priorities, and why I chose the way I did:

1st. = 1995 5-speed: The rarest of the SC models produced; which puts it at the top of my list. Also, the added attraction of the last year of production. Since I already own a reference-grade 1989 5-speed, I'd like to have the 1995 to "book-end" the production years. Also, since I already own a early model, a later model will be a nice contrast; interior, body style, etc. All this makes the 1995 5-speed a shoe-in for me.

2nd. = 1994 5-speed: The second rarest SC in production. Not the last year production, so it loses some interest from me on that point. But, since it also represents the later body style, it would still make a nice contrast to my 89. Still, not a 95, so points off in my book.

3rd. = 1990 35th. 5-speed: Since I already own an 89 and 90, another early body style holds less appeal for me. There are also no firm numbers stating how many 5-speeds were built (hearsay doesn't count), so that gives me a little heartburn, from a collector's standpoint. Also, the 35th. was basically a paint and trim appearance package; there were no performance differences from other 90 SC's. Also, and this is purely a personal preference, I'm not big on the overall look of the 35th. model. Something about the black/silver with black wheels just doesn't do it for me. Also not a big fan of the contrasting seat inserts; plus they're made from unobtainium if there is damage. All things being equal, I'd rather have a white, red, or titanium SC. I'd eventually like to have one of each year, all in 5-speed configuration. If a nice 35th. comes along, I'd jump on it. But if not, a "regular" 90 will do just fine.

As stated above, this is a personal choice, so everyone can differ. Don't bust my chops if my choices don't line up with yours : )

Cheers,

JD

Kurt K
01-11-2010, 09:28 PM
As stated above, this is a personal choice, so everyone can differ. Don't bust my chops if my choices don't line up with yours : )

Cheers,

JD
You're wrong :p But since I already have 2 of the 3 in you're list, I don't really mind.

XR7Kurt
01-12-2010, 12:10 PM
I'm going with the 94-95's, in stock condition I think they're going to be the most desired based on the engine upgrades alone. I think it will be true for the autos too but the 5-speeds will be the most desired.
The anny's definately have a following though and I guess there are probably more of those that have been preserved as new than any other models.
Of course I think the either year 5-speed XR7 should be the most collectable.:rolleyes:But rare does not always mean desireable.:p

Pablo94SC
01-12-2010, 11:49 PM
2nd. = 1994 5-speed: The second rarest SC in production.

94 is the rarest of all model years, and I believe the 5-spd/auto numbers listed here are reversed. Still, I'd rather have a '94 5-spd over a '95. :)

A1cntrler
01-13-2010, 08:35 AM
plus they're made from unobtainium

Sorry, just had to laugh at the statement.. Quite true on the seat inserts.. Very difficult to find an exact match. Some are close, and I'll eventually settle for close enough I think on mine...

txsc
01-13-2010, 02:11 PM
94 is the rarest of all model years, and I believe the 5-spd/auto numbers listed here are reversed. Still, I'd rather have a '94 5-spd over a '95. :)

No, 1995 5-speeds are rarer than 1994 5-speeds. It's in the FAQ on the front page. Both are rare, but the 95 gets the nod for rarest. As far as total production goes, the 94's are rarest overall, but this discussion is about the 5-speeds specifically.

JD

XxSlowpokexX
01-13-2010, 05:23 PM
Comparing mint to mint they both have thier appeal. The 35th is a special edition but they made less of the 94 or 95 5 speeds. They also both have different attitudes with the earlier cars being more archaic and aggresive then the later models...The later models being more refined and soft.

I do love the 35th though..And if ever I bought an early model SC it be that one

ricardoa1
01-13-2010, 06:40 PM
I have both maybe I dont have the extreme end of either. I only have a 94 5spd. And a Auto 35th for now.

But I think the 35th is a more unique car in its stock form then the 94 ever was. There is so much detail that went to it that it makes it a more exciting car to own.

Seat suade Inserts, blue accent piping on the seats.
Door Badges
Fender emblems
Special color scheme
Special stripes
The front emblem has blue embeded between the chrome and so does the rear tailight emblems.
Special color wheels.
Car cover, ect.

The car feels like a collectable regardless of the numbers. The fact that there are so little 5spd 94-95 had nothing to do with exclusiveness or limitedness. Its because sales stunk on it and thats what the turnout was.


.02 + .02 cents.

txsc
01-13-2010, 10:36 PM
...The fact that there are so little 5spd 94-95 had nothing to do with exclusiveness or limitedness. Its because sales stunk on it and thats what the turnout was...

That same arguement could be made for many cars that we consider highly collectible today. Just because it wasn't a huge seller when new, doesn't necessarily create a negative impact on the future desireability. In fact, it's probably more of an inverse relationship; If a car was built in limited numbers new (regardless of the reason), it will be more desireable as a collector vehicle.

There are countless examples of this very phenomena today. When discussing collector cars, one of the first things mentioned is that "this is one of so-and-so built". Rarity is a primary cost driver in car values.

It's hard for me to get past the fact that a 35th. anniversary SC is basically just a graphics package for a regular 90 SC. There's nothing mechanically different; the car is exactly the same as any other SC. If Ford had done something like GM did with the GNX (over the GN), then the fuss would be warranted, in my opinion.

But, as I stated earlier, I like 'em all, and would readily buy a 35th. if the right one came along.

JD

decipha
02-28-2010, 02:22 AM
this is funny i choose the Anni probably because i own a gen2 5spd already

I'm actually looking for a nice Anni to add to my collection, if i found the right one under the right conditions it would be sitting next to my other supercoupes.
then again if i found a 94-95 5spd under the right circumstances it too would be added to my collection.

black 90 5spd (dantenisha)
red 90 5spd (ruby)
black 94 5spd (rionda)
titanium 91 auto (skarlett)
blue 92 5spd (bianqa)
red 90 408 turbo 5spd highly modified (daja)

they are all 'stock appearing'
I plan on painting all of them black one day

MadMikeyL
02-28-2010, 05:10 PM
this is funny i choose the Anni probably because i own a gen2 5spd already

I'm actually looking for a nice Anni to add to my collection, if i found the right one under the right conditions it would be sitting next to my other supercoupes.
then again if i found a 94-95 5spd under the right circumstances it too would be added to my collection.

black 90 5spd (dantenisha)
red 90 5spd (ruby)
black 94 5spd (rionda)
titanium 91 auto (skarlett)
blue 92 5spd (bianqa)
red 90 408 turbo 5spd highly modified (daja)

they are all 'stock appearing'
I plan on painting all of them black one day

It seems if you find ANY supercoupe, you add it to your collection.

ricardoa1
03-02-2010, 02:55 PM
We are at 50-50 votes right now. Thats funny to those that could not decide and have both.

Kurt K
03-02-2010, 03:10 PM
We are at 50-50 votes right now. Thats funny to those that could not decide and have both.
I resemble that remark:D

edit: Oops, I didn't even realize I replied to this thread twice before this one

BlackbirdSc94
03-03-2010, 03:27 PM
My only issue with the 89-93 versions is the dash board and lack of features compared to the 94-95s, I do like the bolder body style of the 89-93 bodys especially the lack of gap on the front of the hood. Other than that I would rather have a 35th if I had to just leave it alone or had another bird, but with my customization habits I wouldnt even want to do that to a 35th....unless I had two of um so I could leave one all oem

decipha
03-05-2010, 12:52 AM
im kind of partial to the earlier style dash

shoalcracker
03-05-2010, 02:29 PM
I have a prejudice with my 5 spd XR7 but I have to see thru to logic.

TB was Car of the Year.

TB has Nascar Heritage.

Ultimate winner 1994 5 spd. Lower overall production numbers- introduction year for major changes.

35th Anni just because it sounds special.

1995 5 spd.

1990 XR7 5 spd

Balance based on individual merit of condition and buyer preference to interior configuation. No core difference in value.

I hate being logical. I love my XR and the formal rear cut. If the Lincoln evolves into a world class touring car I may be able to bump the XR up a notch or two.

ricardoa1
03-05-2010, 02:34 PM
I have a prejudice with my 5 spd XR7 but I have to see thru to logic.

TB was Car of the Year.

TB has Nascar Heritage.

Ultimate winner 1994 5 spd. Lower overall production numbers- introduction year for major changes.

35th Anni just because it sounds special.

1995 5 spd.

1990 XR7 5 spd

Balance based on individual merit of condition and buyer preference to interior configuation. No core difference in value.

I hate being logical. I love my XR and the formal rear cut. If the Lincoln evolves into a world class touring car I may be able to bump the XR up a notch or two.


There are less 95 5spds at 5XX and 94 5spds at 722

Kurt K
03-05-2010, 03:04 PM
There are less 95 5spds at 5XX and 94 5spds at 722
I think he was refering to total production auto + 5 speeds for 94 vs. 95.

ricardoa1
03-05-2010, 03:28 PM
Whats does a collector care about more total production for a year regardless of powetrain or specific breakdowns for a specific year? Im asking btw. Maybe JD will give his input

birdlessmuz
03-10-2010, 11:12 PM
im with kurt why choose have both i never seen a 35th 5speed but now i know there out there i want one!!!:D

Crash00527
03-14-2010, 12:23 PM
94 5spd is the rarest

Mikessupercoupe
03-14-2010, 02:19 PM
I like the 94 5spd best, then the 95 Oh hell I like them all.:D

Mike

My92SC
02-23-2011, 08:47 PM
My favorite is my 92 automatic, rae or not, I've had it 15 years. I just found a 90 anniversary 5 speed but I am parting it out so it will never be driven. One of these days I would like one that can be.

ThunderChecken
02-23-2011, 08:52 PM
And I love my 1990;)

Crash00527
02-23-2011, 09:09 PM
92 is nice also....

Psychocoupe89
07-30-2012, 04:04 PM
I have had both. Currently I have a black 94' 5-speed in gorgeous condition, but I might trade for a 90' if it were as nice. The things I prefer on the 90' are as follows: Better 1st and 2nd gear ratio, deeper lumbar seats, rear bumber cover, and for some reason (which I haven't investigated) the steering seemed to have a faster ratio.

coolhand
08-12-2012, 10:42 PM
I own a blue on blue '95 5-spd but my fav car would be a 89-90 XRZ-especially a blue SWB

Coolhand

mywhite89
08-19-2012, 12:04 PM
According to the action both my cars get in the rare occasion I go to a car show I hope they will all be highly sought after cars. My vote is the later model sc 5-speed, only 2 years of production with that body style and they made more power. I think we have at least 15-20 years before seeing a thunderbird on the road is pretty rare, that's when we will see if they are something special to the world or we are still having the same conversation. I don't see any combination of thunderbird bring as much money as the 95 5- speed in general right now, so it gets my vote.

CougarXR/7
10-21-2012, 05:13 PM
I had a 35Th Anni...automatic........BUT..I have a 92' five speed and a 94' five speed. Personally.....I'd rather have the 95' five speed.

1994blkbirdsc
12-14-2012, 05:21 PM
I voted 94-95 5 sp. I am partial considering my 94 is a 5sd :D I really do not like the interiors of the 89-93 birds.

renello79
12-15-2012, 04:25 AM
I have neither a 35th or 94/5 5spd. I didn't vote cause I want to get both eventually.

Rick_Leuce
05-08-2013, 01:21 PM
I don't know, I'd love to have either one...or both :D

Personally I'd rather have a 1989-1990 Cougar SC, because they are more rare than Thunderbird SC's :cool:

nickleman60
05-08-2013, 08:27 PM
I don't know, I'd love to have either one...or both :D

Personally I'd rather have a 1989-1990 Cougar SC, because they are more rare than Thunderbird SC's :cool:

As a whole yes but the '94 SC had the fewest total number of cars produced according to productions numbers taken off of this site.

Year/Model Automatic Manual
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC 4,768 8,041
1989 Mercury Cougar XR7 2,225 2,238
1990 Ford Thunderbird SC 15742 6,067
1990 Ford Thunderbird SC 35th Anniversary Edition 3,371
1990 Mercury Cougar XR7 3,288 841
1991 Ford Thunderbird SC 5,134 1,905
1992 Ford Thunderbird SC 2,956 1,256
1993 Ford Thunderbird SC 2,853 1,038
1994 Ford Thunderbird SC 1,925 722
1995 Ford Thunderbird SC 5,167 574

jludorf
05-09-2013, 01:08 AM
I like the 94/5 5 speed but have owned several anny cars too. I just do not like the suede inserts texture. Otherwise I like the two tone int/ ext set up. Both very nice cars.

Rick_Leuce
05-11-2013, 01:48 PM
As a whole yes but the '94 SC had the fewest total number of cars produced according to productions numbers taken off of this site.

Year/Model Automatic Manual
1989 Ford Thunderbird SC 4,768 8,041
1989 Mercury Cougar XR7 2,225 2,238
1990 Ford Thunderbird SC 15742 6,067
1990 Ford Thunderbird SC 35th Anniversary Edition 3,371
1990 Mercury Cougar XR7 3,288 841
1991 Ford Thunderbird SC 5,134 1,905
1992 Ford Thunderbird SC 2,956 1,256
1993 Ford Thunderbird SC 2,853 1,038
1994 Ford Thunderbird SC 1,925 722
1995 Ford Thunderbird SC 5,167 574

A 94/95 5-spd is definitely the rarest particular SC, and I've heard they are slightly better-performing than the rest of the Thunderbird SC's.

I totally agree with you, I was just getting at how of the approx. 1.5 million MN12 cars, only approx. 70,000 are Super Coupes and of those, only 8,388 are 94/95 Thunderbird SC's and 8,592 are Cougar SC's.

I just felt that Cougar SCs should be mentioned since they are practically as rare as 94/95 SC's (including automatics)

In my dream car shopping list, I'd want to get a 1995 SC 5-spd, a 35th Anny with a Many-Tranny :D, and a 1989 5-spd Cougar (year that the SC was Motor-Trend Car of the Year)