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ricardoa1
02-23-2010, 01:24 AM
I got my kit in. Along with my mufflers. I wish these guys were around when I did the exhaust on my 94.


Details Are.......

Mandrel Exhaust Systems 89-95 THUNDERBIRD EXHAUST TUBING KIT
SKU: 2721025
Fits 89-91 Mercury Cougar XR7 3.8L (wide gas tank)
Fits 89-91 Ford Thunderbird 3.8L (wide gas tank)

Mandrel Exhaust Sytems Universal
MANDREL BEND MULTI PACK 2.5 INCH ALUMINZED .083 WALL - 3.75 CLR WITH 6 INCH LEGS

Magnaflow #11386
5x8" OvalBody-14" Body w/ 2.5" Inlet/Outlet w/Tru-X Core- Dual-Dual

Two
Pypes Race Pro Stainless Steel Mufflers
MRV13
14" 2" offset/ 2" center 472cfm Straight Thru Flow




http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny011.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny005.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny006.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny007.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny009.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny010.jpg

90turbo1
02-23-2010, 01:31 AM
that looks good,

what mufflers and resonator are you using

thanks

ricardoa1
02-23-2010, 01:33 AM
Magnaflow resonator, and two Pypes Race Pro Mufflers SS

None2Slow
02-23-2010, 01:34 AM
Resonator looks like magnaflow and the mufflers look to be pypes. Can you give some part numbers and keep us posted on how it sounds, maybe even a sound clip :)

ricardoa1
02-23-2010, 01:45 AM
Resonator looks like magnaflow and the mufflers look to be pypes. Can you give some part numbers and keep us posted on how it sounds, maybe even a sound clip :)



Updated the first post. No sound clips till i get this car running it will be a while I think.

90turbo1
02-23-2010, 01:45 AM
yes, part number on resonator?

i orderd the same pipes and that resonator fits like a glove.

let me know

Hock
02-23-2010, 01:46 AM
Just ordered mine today though I'm still thinking about the mufflers. Might try out Dynomaxs' new VT muffler.

http://www.dynomax.com/mufflers.php?muffler=vt

They cost $103 each through Summit.

ricardoa1
02-23-2010, 01:56 AM
Just ordered mine today though I'm still thinking about the mufflers. Might try out Dynomaxs' new VT muffler.

http://www.dynomax.com/mufflers.php?muffler=vt

They cost $103 each through Summit.

These Pypes mufflers are very good quality from the look of it.


That cost bought me two mufflers so it is up to you. If you are spending that much money get the Borla XS. IMO
I got little less then $450 roughly on this set up.

Hock
02-23-2010, 02:06 AM
What are you gonna do for tailpipes?

KillSwitchNY
02-23-2010, 02:30 AM
dude, awsome find on the mandrel exhaust company! really cool that they have some obscure stuff. I was planning on getting the magnaflow cat/resonator kit that is a direct bolt in for up front, but that comes with the dual in single out magnaflow resonator.... how do you guys usually make the downpipes? if i go and make custom downpipes and get rid of the 90* cats i can pick up alotta power. or does anyone have any sound clips or feedback on deleting the cats and putting a magnaflow muffler in place of the resonator? i do not want this thing to sound tinny or ricey.
i have factory from resonator up.... and a flowmaster direct bolt in catback. it sounds good, but i know its restricted at those cats.

95_XR7
02-23-2010, 03:44 AM
Looks like all the issues they had with these kits are resolved judging by the thread over on TCCoA. And yes, if you're going to spend $103 per muffler, you might as well get the Borla's.

Also, most guys have custom downtubes made. As for replacing cats, I wouldn't do it. In my opinion, no cats at all sounds way too ricey on these cars.

Rico, the setup looks good. I know I'll be pulling the trigger on buying one of their stainless kits for the '95 soon.

-Corey

DLF
02-23-2010, 04:20 AM
I'd wait and see what it looks like when he's got it installed. I wasn't happy with how low the kit hung down (as delivered), and I had to make a bunch of changes to get it tucked up properly. Others don't seem to mind.

I started THIS (http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104772&highlight=exhaust) post over a year ago.

kenewagner
02-23-2010, 08:24 AM
What happen to the budget exhaust? Not spending much money on mufflers?

Ken

fastsc92
02-23-2010, 08:37 AM
dang....decent looking system and the price is unmatched.

I like my system, but if I had to do it again, I'd def. consider this route. I think I paid nearly 120 for all my mandrel bends alone. Heck, you can get this set-up in stainless for a hair under $200. Great buy IMO.

ricardoa1
02-23-2010, 10:52 AM
What happen to the budget exhaust? Not spending much money on mufflers?

Ken


The stock system was not going to cut it Ken with a single 2.5" mid-pipe.

As far as the mufflers they are the cheapest thru-flow design in SS out there. I dont know how to get a good set up cheaper then this, that also does not require some time putting it together.

kenewagner
02-23-2010, 10:55 AM
The stock system was not going to cut it Ken with a single 2.5" mid-pipe.

As far as the mufflers they are the cheapest thru-flow design in SS out there. I dont know how to get a good set up cheaper then this, that also does not require some time putting it together.

Good deal, post some pictures of it installed;)

Ken

ricardoa1
02-23-2010, 10:57 AM
What are you gonna do for tailpipes?


I need to see where I land to decide, But the two universal 45deg bends fit the mufflers so I can angle/cut them to make tailpipes. I think I am short two sets of 45deg for this purpose. I only got the multipack because Fraser got it and it worked for him. But I think Three sets of 45s and two straights is all that I would have needed.

Ken Seegers
02-23-2010, 03:01 PM
Two
Pypes Race Pro Stainless Steel Mufflers
MRV13
14" 2" offset/ 2" center 472cfm Straight Thru Flow




http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny011.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny005.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny006.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny007.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny009.jpg
http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny010.jpg

Rico,
I have pypes mufflers on my black sc, but can't remember if they are mvs13s or mvr13s. It helps when one someone I work with is related to one of the owners. :D

Ken

XxSlowpokexX
02-23-2010, 03:14 PM
Ken do they do inhouse work? lol Get them to make a catback or something!

Ken Seegers
02-23-2010, 03:31 PM
Ken do they do inhouse work? lol Get them to make a catback or something!

I know they do some in house stuff, but it usually for new models that are coming out.

XxSlowpokexX
02-23-2010, 03:37 PM
My new exhaust is falling apart because of my poor choice in resonators Dynomax ultraflow aluminized....ID gladly go there if the price was decent!

Hock
02-23-2010, 04:34 PM
That cost bought me two mufflers so it is up to you. If you are spending that much money get the Borla XS. IMO
I got little less then $450 roughly on this set up.

The reason that I'm looking at those is because they are (supposedly) designed to reduce/eliminate resonation. I would rather not pay that much but I have a feeling the ultra flows are gonna sound like poo and I'm trying to see if these would be a good muffler so I can avoid having the resonator.

ricardoa1
02-23-2010, 04:39 PM
The reason that I'm looking at those is because they are (supposedly) designed to reduce/eliminate resonation. I would rather not pay that much but I have a feeling the ultra flows are gonna sound like poo and I'm trying to see if these would be a good muffler so I can avoid having the resonator.


I dont think just two mufflers will do it no matter how you slice it. Unless you want loud, that applies to most flow thru mufflers, You could get something quiets but you will start to loose flow.


Ken how does that system sound? And what does it consist of? Do you have sound clips?

Hock
02-23-2010, 04:46 PM
I dont think just two mufflers will do it no matter how you slice it. Unless you want loud.

Well with the valve thats in it, it should stay semi-quiet at part throttle and cruise and than blast the ear drums under full throttle. I'm more concerned about the part throttle and cruise noise than I am when its floored and all out flow is the priority.

All I really know is, is that I still haven't decided. I've have Borla's on my 99 SHO and it sounds great, but then its a V8. If I could hear what ours sound like just on the same muffler without a resonator that would really help me make a decision.

ricardoa1
02-23-2010, 04:58 PM
Well with the valve thats in it, it should stay semi-quiet at part throttle and cruise and than blast the ear drums under full throttle. I'm more concerned about the part throttle and cruise noise than I am when its floored and all out flow is the priority.

All I really know is, is that I still haven't decided. I've have Borla's on my 99 SHO and it sounds great, but then its a V8. If I could hear what ours sound like just on the same muffler without a resonator that would really help me make a decision.


The spring and valve thing sound like an great concept but, its too new for me to try. What happens over time when corrosion and soot set in and the valve gets stuck. Plus the valve is activated by the same exhaust pressure so sound like restriction depending how strong the spring is. Corvettes and Nissans use a similar technology but they are a more precise system that uses actuators, still whats the failure rate on those. These cars are too troublesome to add more things to worry about and maintain. $.02

Hock
02-23-2010, 05:15 PM
What happens over time when corrosion and soot set in and the valve gets stuck.

That IS something I have not thought about. Maybe I should bring that up with Dynomax.


Plus the valve is activated by the same exhaust pressure so sound like restriction depending how strong the spring is.

They do offer several different mufflers based on engine size for single exhaust and a different one for dual exhaust which will all have different spring rates. I would assume for the amount of air these cars push out of the tailpipe the spring in the "dual" muffler setup would be light enough for our cars under boost.


$.02

I need your paypal info to send you this.:D

MustangJake88
02-23-2010, 06:08 PM
So is this true dual kit something you can buy somewhere? I am having a real hard time finding a decent priced kit for my car. I am on a very tight budget.

XxSlowpokexX
02-23-2010, 06:11 PM
I believe certain OEM mufflers use this technology

Ken Seegers
02-23-2010, 06:59 PM
Ken how does that system sound? And what does it consist of? Do you have sound clips?

It sounds good. It gets really loud on WOT. My exhaust is headers, no cats, dynomax ultra flow 2-2 1/2" in 3" out, single 3" y's into 2 2 1/2"s into the pypes exhaust. I don't have any sound clips. Right now the car is tuck away in my barn.

Mike8675309
02-23-2010, 10:15 PM
So is this true dual kit something you can buy somewhere? I am having a real hard time finding a decent priced kit for my car. I am on a very tight budget.

searching the google finds:
http://www.mandrelexhaustsystems.com/servlet/StoreFront

95_XR7
02-23-2010, 10:48 PM
I've have Borla's on my 99 SHO and it sounds great, but then its a V8. If I could hear what ours sound like just on the same muffler without a resonator that would really help me make a decision.

I had Borla's on my '94 before it was totaled, and the difference from going with no resonator, to adding one was huge. It wasn't so bad, but you did have drone, and yeah, I just wouldn't keep it like that. Adding a resonator cut the drone out altogether. A resonator is the way to go.

-Corey

KillSwitchNY
02-23-2010, 11:00 PM
The spring and valve thing sound like an great concept but, its too new for me to try. What happens over time when corrosion and soot set in and the valve gets stuck.

If you guys are talking about the new dynomax VT series i believe its called, I just saw one in person at the Keystone Big Show in NJ. they had one with the top cut off. I thought the same thing as Ricardoa1. also whats to say the heat inside that muffler isnt going to make that spring lose tension or break completely. Cool idea, i would never actually buy one tho. i think im gonna do either borla XR1's or magnaflows.

MustangJake88
02-24-2010, 10:52 AM
searching the google finds:
http://www.mandrelexhaustsystems.com/servlet/StoreFront

Only has kits for 92 and up :(

rzimmerl
02-24-2010, 10:56 AM
Only has kits for 92 and up :(

No they don't, kits available for all years.

http://www.mandrelexhaustsystems.com/servlet/the-250/89-dsh-91-COUGAR-XR7-EXHAUST/Detail

ricardoa1
02-24-2010, 11:23 AM
Only has kits for 92 and up :(



I posted pictures for a 90 notice the way the pipes goes around the tank. I also posted a part number and details of what it fits on the first post. ;) Did you just skip all that info.

XxSlowpokexX
02-24-2010, 11:48 AM
Well Im taking my dam resonator out at least till I get a new one back from the manufacturer. Il let you all know exactly how loud the car becomes!!!

Mike8675309
02-24-2010, 01:10 PM
Only has kits for 92 and up :(

Their website is a bit goofy. 89-91 all have a gas tank that requires a nearly u-bend to route the exhaust. (see the pictures above from Ricardo)

The 92+ gas tanks have a different design that allows a straighter exhaust routing. Thus from their website, the ones labeled 89-95 is really for the 89 through 91 cars, and the one labeled 92-97 is really for the 92 through 97 cars.

ricardoa1
02-24-2010, 01:26 PM
What are you guys buying to cut the pipes clean and smooth. I think i need to pick one of these tools up for the job. I dont have an expander and i read that only the hydraulic ones work well.

http://www.tooltopia.com/_img/LIS/LIS31500.jpg

Mike8675309
02-24-2010, 01:31 PM
http://www.thetoolcounter.com/acatalog/GSA25.jpg

is what I use, but you need a compressor for that. Otherwise I've used a hack saw before. They also make a chain you can wrap around things that has cutting wheels on it you can pull back and forth in tight spaces to cut through the tube. The compressor way is the preferred method for me. Though to be honest, I collect the parts and I have a guy that'll put it all together for me. that's the plan for the 93.

DLF
02-24-2010, 02:08 PM
I bought a 2 1/2" saw guide for $120 from HERE (http://www.techsouthinc.com/pipeclamps/sawguides.html), so I could make clean and straight cuts with a power saw.

MustangJake88
02-25-2010, 11:51 AM
Wow, good prices on that stuff. I am only going to be driving my SC on good days this summer. You guys think the alumnized steel would be alright? Right now, with being on unemployment and going into college, I really cant fork out the $$$ for all stainless.:(

SuperChicken89
02-25-2010, 12:09 PM
Wow, good prices on that stuff. I am only going to be driving my SC on good days this summer. You guys think the alumnized steel would be alright? Right now, with being on unemployment and going into college, I really cant fork out the $$$ for all stainless.:(

If you are planning on keeping the car, then go for the SS system. I've built two 2 1/2" systems so far. The first system for the SC was constructed out of aluminized pipe and it's now showing signs of corrosion on the inside. The second system was built for my 69 Cougar and I went with the 409 stainless to prevent rust through. I will eventually end up replacing the aluminized system and not have to worry about the 409 stainless system.

I purchased one of these strictly for building the exhaust systems plus you can use it for other projects. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44829

Bryan

MustangJake88
02-25-2010, 12:43 PM
If you are planning on keeping the car, then go for the SS system. I've built two 2 1/2" systems so far. The first system for the SC was constructed out of aluminized pipe and it's now showing signs of corrosion on the inside. The second system was built for my 69 Cougar and I went with the 409 stainless to prevent rust through. I will eventually end up replacing the aluminized system and not have to worry about the 409 stainless system.

I purchased one of these strictly for building the exhaust systems plus you can use it for other projects. http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44829

Bryan
I don't know how long I plan on keeping the car. I have a little problem with keeping my foot out of the gas. I totaled my '87 5.0 Mustang because of that. And my SC is quicker than that car was. I hear about how much an SC will respond to exhaust. I just don't wanna put the exhaust and my blower pulley on and have a car that's a little too much for me. I know it sounds stupid but my SC is a pretty nice looking car, and I wanna keep it that way.

Hock
03-09-2010, 11:48 PM
Well for the last two days me and a friend (mostly my friend) have been working on getting this exhaust on and let me tell you what a ~~~~! The biggest problem I have with it is that the pipe doesn't clear the suspension too well on the passenger side. So I will have to do some grinding tomorrow to make it clear.

Also I got the X-pipe for the 4.6 and it didn't require to much work to make it fit. Can't wait to get it done so I can start tuning and see what this thing has!

ricardoa1
04-10-2010, 11:14 PM
I put the system on. Ill try to get pics tomorow. It was a big dissapointment the only pieces that were worth purchasing was the two pipes that go around the tank. The muffers were too long to use the 90 bends tha were part of the normal kit and those two pipes came too close to the K-member. I think if I had an LX it would have worked great or ok, but the SC and the fact that I wanted to keep down turns for tips made it difficult to use those pieces with the bumper and all. I decided to pay to install it just cause I didnt feel like working on the car anymore, Sick of working on it, and welding a new exhaust just seemed like too much work where a shop can just put in on in an hour or two. It was expensive to put the darn thing on, mainly because I live in Boston and shops charge alot and when they see a nice paint job and rims they think $$$$.
I would have only bought the $120 kit and two 45 deg bends to use for tips. All other pipes I had to to pay the shop to fabricate. I bought the universal install kit and like I said I only used the 45deg bends from that kit, I have now have spare parts that i did not need to buy.


The muffers are now at an angle just like my blue car.

But anyhow the car sounds the same as my blue car with the borlas, but dont forget there are two cats on this new exhaust. If it did not have the cats then the pypes/magnaflow combo would have been much louder then the borla/magnaflow w/o cats combo thats on the blue car. And its bound to get louder as it breaks in.

So borlas are a great muffler and the quietest straight through muffler you can buy. But with the two cats and the pypes/magnaflow sounds great, any louder and it would probably be annoying, its near perfect.


Sound clips and pics tomorow. Thats if anyone cares. :eek:

Regul8r
04-10-2010, 11:35 PM
I am looking for a 3" center pipe from the Resonator to the rear and split into 2.25" or 2.5".

I am making a 2.25" pipes from Manifolds and up to 2.5" before the Cats then 2.5" to the resonator, Borla 2 into 1 with a 3" outlet.
NOT sure what mufflers I will be using so not pushing for 2.25 or 2.5 rear pipes.

ANYONE?

Sorry, meant to ask Ricardoa1, what "pieces" do you have left?
Maybe box em up and ship em to me?

shoalcracker
04-10-2010, 11:39 PM
Not sure how I feel about you're experiences.

Was transfering cash into paypal today to make purchase.

Timely read I guess for a non purchase.

Now what do I do. Just buy tank portion of pipes.

Is this portion one piece or multiple.

Hock
04-10-2010, 11:47 PM
The best fitting piece for me was the x-pipe, even though it had to be modified for the v6. The pipes that went under the gas tank just didn't fit as good as thought they should have especially back at the diff.

If I had it to do over I would have taken it to the exhaust shop.

k_schutte
04-11-2010, 12:10 AM
has anyone just done straight pipes? I mean just COMPLETELY straight from manifolds to tail pipes? I know my buddy had a 2.8L S10 with straights and it sounded REALLY damn nice, a little on the loud side but it was not overwhelming or anything.

I was thinking of doing dual 2.5"s into a single 3.5" then back to dual 2.5"s just straight pipe, may be a glass pack on each side right at the front...

ricardoa1
04-11-2010, 12:16 AM
Not sure how I feel about you're experiences.

Was transfering cash into paypal today to make purchase.

Timely read I guess for a non purchase.

Now what do I do. Just buy tank portion of pipes.

Is this portion one piece or multiple.


Not sure what to recommend anyore. But with the mufflers and the double 90 sections the muffers came to the bumper and thats without the tips.

I would get the Tank sections and if they can sell them separately cheaper go for it, Then get four 45deg universal bends. Muffles at an angle will likely fit better then the way they made it to fit. Again if this was an LX the muffers shooting straight will work well but the SC bumper makes fitting the rear sections difficult. The Kmember is still an issues as it comes too close. I changed my mind after they welded it all up. It was looking terrible and had to pay up to cut and remove it and reinstall the mufflers at an angle. Now from behind it looks natural.

DLF
04-11-2010, 12:51 AM
I'd wait and see what it looks like when he's got it installed. I wasn't happy with how low the kit hung down (as delivered), and I had to make a bunch of changes to get it tucked up properly. Others don't seem to mind.

I started THIS (http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104772&highlight=exhaust) post over a year ago.

I wish I didn't have to say, "I told you so". :(

Ken Seegers
04-11-2010, 08:40 AM
Rico,
that exhaust looks like it hanging way to low. I find more and more of these exhaust kits not to fit without some modification. My currently system is totally custom. We had to measure and cut each piece....not fun, but done right. My system is tucked up underneath.



Not sure what to recommend anyore. But with the mufflers and the double 90 sections the muffers came to the bumper and thats without the tips.

I would get the Tank sections and if they can sell them separately cheaper go for it, Then get four 45deg universal bends. Muffles at an angle will likely fit better then the way they made it to fit. Again if this was an LX the muffers shooting straight will work well but the SC bumper makes fitting the rear sections difficult. The Kmember is still an issues as it comes too close. I changed my mind after they welded it all up. It was looking terrible and had to pay up to cut and remove it and reinstall the mufflers at an angle. Now from behind it looks natural.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/ExhaustAnny017.jpg
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90blkbrd
04-11-2010, 09:39 AM
The install should have been free, whoever did the work must have never used a welder before because those welds look like crap.

k_schutte
04-11-2010, 10:09 AM
The install should have been free, whoever did the work must have never used a welder before because those welds look like crap.

I was going to say those are some of the nastiest welds I have ever seen. Looks like what I did when I was 15 and using a $75 Harbor Freight welder...

ricardoa1
04-11-2010, 06:15 PM
Its not too low, the magnaflow resonator is the lowest point in the system and even my custom kit on the blue car hangs just as low. You cannot tuck in a dual pipe system a single pipe yes but two 2.5" side by side impossible.

Like I said it works and i would have done a few things differently now that I went thru it. I am just giving you my trials so it helps others.

I do not have a choice on the welds they are not going to take eight hours welding up a system and making stacked dime welds. Sorry but around here thats pretty much what you will find unless you build it yourself and take a week to put it together. Even if I had a welder I was not up for it took them two hours to do and the shop was getting annoyed with me because I changed my mind after they were almost finished.

Overall i am happy, I wish I did not buy some of the items I bought and had a better plan of attack. I would have saved money if I did.

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/Exhaust009.jpg
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ricardoa1
04-11-2010, 06:26 PM
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DLF
04-11-2010, 06:54 PM
It's too bad that you couldn't get it tucked up enough to retain the cross-brace behind the resonator.

ricardoa1
04-11-2010, 09:38 PM
Yes ill have to re do both cars so i can put that brace on both. You guys make it pretty fun to share car stuff lately.

thirdbird
04-11-2010, 10:37 PM
Yes ill have to re do both cars so i can put that brace on both. You guys make it pretty fun to share car stuff lately.

That's because they are jeallous...
I think it looks fine, it is a little low, but nothing worth commenting about.
Curious tho why you used 2 small pipes instead of 1 bigger one...?
It was real easy for me to make a 3" mid and fit it in there..
My crossmember touches it so I used heater hose in between to kill the rattle.

Cars on this board are like yuppies and their houses.
If your furniture and walls and lawn don't look a certain way, everybody wants to talk smack. Pathetic but hey that's white american society I guess.

S_Mazza
04-11-2010, 10:39 PM
Yes ill have to re do both cars so i can put that brace on both. You guys make it pretty fun to share car stuff lately.

If it makes you feel any better, I am impressed with how rust-free your car's underbody is. :D

XxSlowpokexX
04-11-2010, 10:42 PM
all you have to say is....I have the autorotor mod:eek:

ricardoa1
04-11-2010, 11:44 PM
That's because they are jeallous...
I think it looks fine, it is a little low, but nothing worth commenting about.
Curious tho why you used 2 small pipes instead of 1 bigger one...?
It was real easy for me to make a 3" mid and fit it in there..
My crossmember touches it so I used heater hose in between to kill the rattle.

Cars on this board are like yuppies and their houses.
If your furniture and walls and lawn don't look a certain way, everybody wants to talk smack. Pathetic but hey that's white american society I guess.


I got the kit because well I like dual pipes, I have it on my other car and wanted to duplicate it. And if I was to keep my early gas tank Mandrel Exhaust Systems seems like it solved that issue. Crush bending that tight radious was not going to work for me and that what you get from the local shops.



Im just happy that this car got a second chance at being something great. I can show pics of what it looked like when I paid $500 bux for it but dont feel its to my bennefit. Took the family for a ride at night and dash and interior aside they could not tell the difference between this car and the money pit blue car. I feel accomplished that I was able to dupicate the same fun and wow factor for almost 1/4 of the money I got into my other car. This car was not to show off or for some for some unknow reason flaunt that I am loaded, Cause God knows I dont have it. If you came over to my life for a day you would see what I got to work with and It aint much. im sure there are others that have it worse the me but I bet the gap is not that far. The comment the other guy made on the other thread made me pretty upset. "Lots of money and no common sense" The only thing I feel I should be labeled as is being irresponsible when it comes to cars. That is my biggest weakness.

DLF
04-11-2010, 11:59 PM
Yes ill have to re do both cars so i can put that brace on both. You guys make it pretty fun to share car stuff lately.

I only posted the pics to show you that it could be done, not to give you any crap about the way you did it.

ricardoa1
04-12-2010, 12:11 AM
I only posted the pics to show you that it could be done, not to give you any crap about the way you did it.

I dont find that brace all that important anymore I even started a thread about the thing a while ago when I was concerned with it. Your statement made it seemed like I was at a huge loss for not using the brace.

You also built your system by hand on one car and took as much time as needed to be perfect. On both cars you also have the late model tanks, makes things easier. You might have told all of us about the issues with the mandrel bend system but unless you have the time and know how those two pipes that go around the tank cut down alot of fabrication time and materials.

DLF
04-12-2010, 12:20 AM
I dont find that brace all that important anymore I even started a thread about the thing a while ago when I was concerned with it. Your statement made it seemed like I was a huge loss for not using the brace.

You also built your system by hand on one car and took as much time as needed to be perfect. On both cars you also have the late model tanks, makes things easier. You might have told all of us about the issues with the mandrel bend system but unless you have the time and know how those two pipes that go around the tank cut down alot of fabrication time and materials.

I did make my comments known about these pipes, in THIS (http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104772) thread that I started, in post #76, last September. And you posted at the end of the thread, so you should have seen my post.

EDIT: This is the problem with communicating via the written word. Having re-read your last sentence multiple times, I now finally understand what you were trying to say; that despite my comments, you still feel that you saved some time and money.

Tony8470
04-12-2010, 01:21 AM
Did you change/move anything since the heat shield around the gas tank is gone? Or just take if off and be done with it?

I was planning on getting this exhaust, and don't mind the extra fab that needs done.

sinhumane
04-12-2010, 01:33 AM
i didnt have any fitment issues around my tank, didnt remove the heat shield. i tacked the two pipes together where they run side by side so i didnt get any vibration. i still have about a 1" gap between the pipes and the tank, and they dont hang very much lower than stock.

rlittlep
04-12-2010, 01:53 AM
When you got this system, did you get the mufflers and resonator from them? I've been to the sight but don't see the ability to order the mufflers/resonator, specifically for the SC. Also, I am going to be running long tube headers.Does anyone make the pipes to make the hookup, or do I need to improvise?

ricardoa1
04-12-2010, 09:34 AM
When you got this system, did you get the mufflers and resonator from them? I've been to the sight but don't see the ability to order the mufflers/resonator, specifically for the SC. Also, I am going to be running long tube headers.Does anyone make the pipes to make the hookup, or do I need to improvise?

PM sent...........

ricardoa1
04-12-2010, 09:35 AM
Did you change/move anything since the heat shield around the gas tank is gone? Or just take if off and be done with it?

I was planning on getting this exhaust, and don't mind the extra fab that needs done.

I had to remove my heat 90' shield but there is another shield under it anyways. :D

ricardoa1
04-12-2010, 12:38 PM
I did make my comments known about these pipes, in THIS (http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=104772) thread that I started, in post #76, last September. And you posted at the end of the thread, so you should have seen my post.

EDIT: This is the problem with communicating via the written word. Having re-read your last sentence multiple times, I now finally understand what you were trying to say; that despite my comments, you still feel that you saved some time and money.


Dough I did not take comments to heart, but the whole point of all this was to show my experience with the kit, so others can be more informed, same way you posted about it a while back. I read your posts+thread a while back and even posted on it, I should be the last post on that thread or I was till recent. Others seemed to make the kit work like Fraser and others. I guess I was hopefull to make this one work. I think I am the first that installed the 89-91 kit on a car so far. Like I mentioned before the main issue is the mufflers and its lengh did not allow downturn tips. They came up right to the bumpers edge, had I made cutouts for the bumper I could have had them shoot straight out. But being at the mercy of a shop that was already aggrevated with me about having them redo something that they already worked on, this was the best I could do with what I got.

If I were to do it again I would only get the tank pipes from Them and build around them. The double 90deg pipes are not that great and I think we are in agreement on that.

Also folks are asking about The Xpipe add on that they sell. All I gotta say is that Ive tried it all and no resonator on a SC makes for a very loud and obnoxious car. If you like the sound then I think you qualify for some hearing aids.

90turbo1
04-12-2010, 03:23 PM
Well I think it looks pretty good but I have a question.

the rear mufflers. why did you make the pipe coming out of them so long. couldnt you have just had a turn down put right at the muffler and then move them closer to the bumper. just a question.

i plan on ordering there kit with x pipe for my 1992 and yes I understand that some mods may be required to make it fit. but it gives a person a good starting point.

do you have a sound clip you could throw on here so we can hear it?

ricardoa1
04-12-2010, 03:33 PM
Well I think it looks pretty good but I have a question.

the rear mufflers. why did you make the pipe coming out of them so long. couldnt you have just had a turn down put right at the muffler and then move them closer to the bumper. just a question.

i plan on ordering there kit with x pipe for my 1992 and yes I understand that some mods may be required to make it fit. but it gives a person a good starting point.

do you have a sound clip you could throw on here so we can hear it?

Scroll up you will find sound clips. There is no reason to the mufflers being closer to the sub frame then the bumper, as you can see it can be moved up or down. But that where it landed when they were making pipes for it. I used two 45deg pipes from MES for my tips so those had a long pipe to begin with. The longer the custom pipes were going to be the more materials the shop would have used, thats $$ to them or should I say me.

XxSlowpokexX
04-12-2010, 03:43 PM
I currently have no resonator..May have to make a sound clip for you all.

And Rico. I think you did a fabulous job on this car. You saved it from the crusher, tastefully modified it and allthough you ay hav egone a bit far///You managed to not blow a small fortune on it.

In the end you ended up with a sweet ride for much less then it would cost you to even buy a new P O S car.

So good for you dude!

91bird
04-12-2010, 07:49 PM
I think your car looks great and sounds pretty good too.
You have done a tone of work to that car and should be proud of it.
Like a few others said you saved it from the wreckers which is also a nice thought. Congrats on getting it all put together.

Drew