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nickleman60
04-12-2010, 08:14 PM
I have a dyno/tune session lined up with Dave Dalke on May 2nd and 3rd. Dave has yet to give me the final ok on the dates but if all is agreed to here's the itinerary. Dave will fly in on Sunday the 2nd and spend the rest of the day going over the cars to eliminate any problems before the dyno/tune session on Monday the 3rd. I have secured a dyno for the whole day on Monday and the owner will charge $75 an hour for as long we use it instead of a day rate of $800. Dave's fees are $150 per day per car and if you join in I asked that you help split the cost of his plane ticket. I will lodge and feed him, I hope he likes seafood :rolleyes:, so don't worry about that. I need to know within the next couple of days so don't hesitate if you need a tune and you live within a few hours or less of driving distance. As we all know this man is second to none when it comes to figuring these cars out.

Roadhawg
04-13-2010, 07:53 AM
Which Dyno did you get and what time do the open?

nickleman60
04-13-2010, 02:12 PM
Abacus racing and I believe they open at 9 am, I'll double check though.

nickleman60
04-13-2010, 05:11 PM
I talked to Dave a little while ago and we're on for May 2nd and 3rd. I confirmed the dyno with Abacus Racing so that's set, they have a dyno-jet 248 and open at 9am.

frdlvr30
04-13-2010, 07:04 PM
I talked to Dave a little while ago and we're on for May 2nd and 3rd. I confirmed the dyno with Abacus Racing so that's set, they have a dyno-jet 248 and open at 9am.

And its four minutes from my house....sweet....

nickleman60
04-13-2010, 07:42 PM
And its four minutes from my house....sweet....

it looks like it'll be Anthony (Metalman), Z with his Mark 8 and me. I'm good with 3, any more might make time limited. All I know is that I'm first on the dyno.............:D

nickleman60
04-16-2010, 06:05 PM
OK, we are now 100% confirmed from Dave to the tuning dates.

Depending on how long it takes for the 3 cars already in, he might be able to squeeze in 1 more in.

nickleman60
04-27-2010, 08:23 AM
Everyone is ready to go for the tuning session this Sunday and Monday. I hope I have my new hood completely installed by then, if not off it comes.......:rolleyes:

frdlvr30
04-27-2010, 10:21 AM
Everyone is ready to go for the tuning session this Sunday and Monday. I hope I have my new hood completely installed by then, if not off it comes.......:rolleyes:

And painted?

nickleman60
04-27-2010, 11:58 AM
And painted?

Not by the tuning date but it will be before Pinks.

frdlvr30
04-29-2010, 05:28 PM
Is Jesus still coming? And if so what time does he land?

nickleman60
05-01-2010, 08:54 PM
Is Jesus still coming? And if so what time does he land?

Yes and tomorrow around 11am. Hopefully by this time on Monday I'll have a runnin' machine...............:rolleyes:

David Neibert
05-02-2010, 09:23 AM
Yes and tomorrow around 11am. Hopefully by this time on Monday I'll have a runnin' machine...............:rolleyes:

I look forward to seeing some big numbers from your car.

David

nickleman60
05-02-2010, 09:31 AM
I look forward to seeing some big numbers from your car.

David

They might be big with the nitrous..................:eek:

David Neibert
05-03-2010, 10:19 AM
Any results to report ?

David

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 05:10 PM
It was better than before....but I will let him tell. Very hot and humid today though.... He should be dropping DD at the Airport around now...

Roadhawg
05-03-2010, 05:21 PM
Any results to report ?

David

I know the results.................... ;)

mcate
05-03-2010, 05:25 PM
Enquiring minds want to know!

nickleman60
05-03-2010, 06:07 PM
Any results to report ?

David

I just got home from dropping Dave off at the airport. My final numbers weren't spectacular but decent.

Motor - 349.70 rwhp 381.32 tq

Nitrous - 399.68 rwhp 437.77 tq

As it turns out my i/c set up isn't as good as I thought, air inlet temps were high enough to pull timing. Dave can chime in but he told me that with a different i/c set up I could probably see 20 more rwhp. The good news is that he believes 400 rwhp should put me near or at my target of 11.5's, we shall see. Between now and the Shoot Out I'll probably change my i/c set up to something more effiecient. Back to the drawing board, some things never change.........

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 06:13 PM
I just got home from dropping Dave off at the airport. My final numbers weren't spectacular but decent.

Motor - 349.70 rwhp 381.32 tq

Nitrous - 399.68 rwhp 437.77 tq

As it turns out my i/c set up isn't as good as I thought, air inlet temps were high enough to pull timing. Dave can chime in but he told me that with a different i/c set up I could probably see 20 more rwhp. The good news is that he believes 400 rwhp should put me near or at my target of 11.5's, we shall see. Between now and the Shoot Out I'll probably change my i/c set up to something more effiecient. Back to the drawing board, some things never change.........If you are going to do the I/C all over again...Go liquid to air. With your ebay skills and your welding hook-ups it should be very attainable....With temps and humidity like today, and with the high overdrive of that blower...how much can you really ask of air to air.....I guess is the question....What diference did Dave suggest?

rzimmerl
05-03-2010, 06:51 PM
How high were your intake temps?

BLOWN38
05-03-2010, 07:02 PM
You should see about 11.7-11.6 with them n2o numbers.


Thanks Dave for changing my trailer tire.:)

nickleman60
05-03-2010, 07:05 PM
How high were your intake temps?

I can't remember the exact degrees but Dave can but I believe in the 140's.

nickleman60
05-03-2010, 07:06 PM
You should see about 11.7-11.6 with them n2o numbers.

I'd be happy with an 11.6...........:D

I'll be the only one in the Pro Class with an Eaton m90............:eek:

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 07:30 PM
You should see about 11.7-11.6 with them n2o numbers.


Thanks Dave for changing my trailer tire.:)

11.6 is what I was thinking too. No problem Chris. I want a ride in a AR car(At WOT next time)...Got to hand it to a guy that loads his car up at 6pm, Drives all the way to SE Virginia, unloads, gets a road tune and loads back up and goes home. With GF and 2 year old in tow...mind you. Dedication...Car is looking good Chris...and sounds Awesome especialy at idle. I think your car is the best sounding SC idling that I have ever heard...

Roadhawg
05-03-2010, 07:45 PM
How high were your intake temps?

He was running +150F at the top of the pull, I believe I saw at least a 184F on one pull.

I believe DD mentioned that the FMIC in question here, was not the best choice for a Supercoupe.

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 07:51 PM
He was running +150F at the top of the pull, I believe I saw at least a 184F on one pull.

I believe DD mentioned that the FMIC in question here, was not the best choice for a Supercoupe.

As in the core itself Todd? Or the whole setup?

BLOWN38
05-03-2010, 07:59 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if it was 180. I've seen 175 when I had the hybrid 112 on my car at 22psi. Time for some meth!

Dave if you coulda heard the car at idle when one of the valves was hanging open on cylinder number 4. That was when it sounded best. But thanks, I think it sounds pretty good too... at idle.:cool:

Roadhawg
05-03-2010, 08:07 PM
As in the core itself Todd? Or the whole setup?

Small narrow core with the inlet and outlet on the same side.

Roadhawg
05-03-2010, 08:10 PM
.Got to hand it to a guy that loads his car up at 6pm, Drives all the way to SE Virginia, unloads, gets a road tune and loads back up and goes home. With GF and 2 year old in tow...mind you. Dedication...

Yes props goes out to you........................

btw ... you need to add 200lbs to your car, as in a rollbar ;)

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 09:01 PM
Small narrow core with the inlet and outlet on the same side.

So he was saying that he just needs to pick a better suited core then...Gotcha. Is inlet and oulet on opposite sides better for heat dissipation? Wow he is gonna have to start from scratch again... Maybe able to reuse the return part...

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 09:06 PM
btw ... you need to add 200lbs to your car, as in a rollbar ;)
For 2500.00 I would look around for other prices. Chris do you want me to ask around and see what I can get one fabricated and installed for? I can ask my buddy that installed Todd's for you if you'd like. They do great work....

BLOWN38
05-03-2010, 09:27 PM
Chris do you want me to ask around and see what I can get one fabricated and installed for? I can ask my buddy that installed Todd's for you if you'd like. They do great work....

Never hurts to ask.;)

nickleman60
05-03-2010, 09:30 PM
So he was saying that he just needs to pick a better suited core then...Gotcha. Is inlet and oulet on opposite sides better for heat dissipation? Wow he is gonna have to start from scratch again... Maybe able to reuse the return part...

Dave was explaining to me that my core would be better suited for a turbo car. He said most turbo outlet temps would be around 250* compared to the Eaton with 450*. For that reason the short run wouldn't hurt them and more resistance in air flow in the i/c can hurt a turbos performance where as it won't hurt the Eatons performance, it has enough azz to forced the air through the longer run, at least that's how I remember him explaining it to me. With all the room I have between the radiator and where my i/c is currently located I think I can fab up a different configuration without much hassle, I've already started thinking of ideas on what I'm going to do. Right now though I'm going concentrate on getting the few things needing to be done before the June Pinks race.

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 09:32 PM
Never hurts to ask.;)

How many point?

BLOWN38
05-03-2010, 09:34 PM
Hows 6 sound....

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 09:35 PM
Hows 6 sound....

Ok I sent him a FB message...he should get back to me soon....

nickleman60
05-03-2010, 10:31 PM
Here's the dyno sheet.

frdlvr30
05-03-2010, 10:55 PM
Hows 6 sound....

Ok, I just talked to him. He said it is no problem. He said that he thinks a main hoop kit is available, but if not they would just measure and make their own, then add the side and down bars to it. 300.00 for a kit, 300.00 for the six points, and he said extra for any other material they may need. I asked if 800.00 would cover it all? He said "that sounds a little high". His exact words...
Get Re-Todd to send you some pictures of his Cage if you'd like to see his work. They have built quite a few cars though...2500.00 is an absolute rip, like I was saying last night though.

Sorry about the Hi-Jack Keith....

nickleman60
05-03-2010, 11:21 PM
Ok, Get Re-Todd to send you some pictures of his Cage if you'd like to see his work.

Sorry about the Hi-Jack Keith....

I don't care about that, here's some pics of Todd's cage from an earlier thread.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111954

David Neibert
05-04-2010, 12:03 AM
I just got home from dropping Dave off at the airport. My final numbers weren't spectacular but decent.

Motor - 349.70 rwhp 381.32 tq

Nitrous - 399.68 rwhp 437.77 tq

As it turns out my i/c set up isn't as good as I thought, air inlet temps were high enough to pull timing. Dave can chime in but he told me that with a different i/c set up I could probably see 20 more rwhp. The good news is that he believes 400 rwhp should put me near or at my target of 11.5's, we shall see. Between now and the Shoot Out I'll probably change my i/c set up to something more effiecient. Back to the drawing board, some things never change.........



That's about right for an m90 based blower. Depending on the weather and track conditions, I think your going to need a 75-100 HP shot of nitrous to reach 11.5s.

David

XR7 Dave
05-04-2010, 07:13 AM
Keith's car was running 155deg ACT's consistently and the EEC was pulling back timing from 24 to about 19-20 deg. There is a good 20rwhp in there, but not so much peak as in a much broader power band. His heads/am setup will make peak power at just over 6000rpm but due to lack of cooling it was peaking at 5300-5400rpm and then falling off badly. With race fuel and a better IC (or alcohol) on a cool day the car will run 11's on motor. For now it just has a "safe" tune, inasmuch as that is possible.

nickleman60
05-04-2010, 09:42 AM
Keith's car was running 155deg ACT's consistently and the EEC was pulling back timing from 24 to about 19-20 deg. There is a good 20rwhp in there, but not so much peak as in a much broader power band. His heads/am setup will make peak power at just over 6000rpm but due to lack of cooling it was peaking at 5300-5400rpm and then falling off badly. With race fuel and a better IC (or alcohol) on a cool day the car will run 11's on motor. For now it just has a "safe" tune, inasmuch as that is possible.

So with that said I guess you could say that I could have a 370-375 rwhp MPx m90 powered SC with a more efficient i/c set up. With the hi-po parts that I have in my motor I was looking for a target number around 375 so I'm satisfied knowing that probably with an i/c change I can achieve it.

Dave, thanks alot for fitting me into your busy schedule on short notice. It was fun talking to you even though I could hardly get a word in with Todd asking you a 1000 questions.................:D

Ira R.
05-04-2010, 09:52 AM
I don't care about that, here's some pics of Todd's cage from an earlier thread.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=111954

Chris what happened to the guy who did the Marauder? They did a good job on that.

Ira

ricardoa1
05-04-2010, 10:57 AM
So with that said I guess you could say that I could have a 370-375 rwhp MPx m90 powered SC with a more efficient i/c set up. With the hi-po parts that I have in my motor I was looking for a target number around 375 so I'm satisfied knowing that probably with an i/c change I can achieve it.

Dave, thanks alot for fitting me into your busy schedule on short notice. It was fun talking to you even though I could hardly get a word in with Todd asking you a 1000 questions.................:D



Good job! getting 350HP with an Auto is a good number.

XR7 Dave
05-04-2010, 11:23 AM
Dave, thanks alot for fitting me into your busy schedule on short notice. It was fun talking to you even though I could hardly get a word in with Todd asking you a 1000 questions.................:D

Thanks for the hospitality! I had a good time and was well fed too. Thanks for everything.

As usual, not everything goes according to plan, sorry about the blower Anthony, but I think that once you get some of that sorted out the car will meet your expectations. Too bad you didn't get to drive the car after being tuned because I think you'd be surprised just how fast the car already is. Picking up 60rwhp is definitely something you'll notice! (even though I realize you were looking for 100) :(

frdlvr30
05-04-2010, 11:59 AM
Thanks for the hospitality! I had a good time and was well fed too. Thanks for everything.

As usual, not everything goes according to plan, sorry about the blower Anthony, but I think that once you get some of that sorted out the car will meet your expectations. Too bad you didn't get to drive the car after being tuned because I think you'd be surprised just how fast the car already is. Picking up 60rwhp is definitely something you'll notice! (even though I realize you were looking for 100) :(
I left before Anthonygot a full pull. Whats the concensus? Rotor pack worn out?

Roadhawg
05-04-2010, 12:05 PM
I left before Anthonygot a full pull. Whats the concensus? Rotor pack worn out?

After the blower belt was removed, you could feel the rotors hit the case in one spot, when turning it by hand.

nickleman60
05-04-2010, 01:06 PM
I took the car out for a little spin today, man it's fun to drive now. It will now officially get out of it's own way and then some.............:p

rzimmerl
05-04-2010, 01:14 PM
Good numbers for another MPx car. I take it a new IC will be underway shortly, definately by the shootout I bet.

Roadhawg
05-04-2010, 01:14 PM
I took the car out for a little spin today, man it's fun to drive now. It will now officially get out of it's own way and then some.............:p

You need to find the Sunoco station on Indian River Rd and feed that some more 100 octane.

nickleman60
05-04-2010, 02:03 PM
Good numbers for another MPx car. I take it a new IC will be underway shortly, definately by the shootout I bet.

Yeah, I'm hoping to have a new set up by then but if not I'll hope for cold air........:rolleyes:

Roadhawg
05-04-2010, 09:11 PM
Here is a small video from my cellphone from one of the Dyno pulls.

http://members.cox.net/roadhawg2/images/nickleman60.3g2

nickleman60
05-04-2010, 10:41 PM
Here is a small video from my cellphone from one of the Dyno pulls.

http://members.cox.net/roadhawg2/images/nickleman60.3g2

I can't hear anything?

frdlvr30
05-04-2010, 10:52 PM
I can't hear anything?

I cant see or hear it....link inop

BLOWN38
05-04-2010, 11:02 PM
works fine for me. use quick time.

nickleman60
05-05-2010, 02:41 PM
works fine for me. use quick time.

It wouldn't work on my work computer either................:confused:

Ira R.
05-05-2010, 03:23 PM
works fine for me. use quick time.

+1


Ira

90blkbrd
05-05-2010, 03:38 PM
Worked for me. Car sounded a bit weak to me. jk

nickleman60
05-05-2010, 04:40 PM
Worked for me. Car sounded a bit weak to me. jk



400 rwhp just doesn't cut it these days I guess................:rolleyes:

90blkbrd
05-05-2010, 05:02 PM
400 rwhp just doesn't cut it these days I guess................:rolleyes:

That was your N2O dyno pass?

Roadhawg
05-05-2010, 05:05 PM
That was your N2O dyno pass?

Yes, it was.............

metalman
05-06-2010, 02:48 AM
took the supercharger apart today. There is certainly scoring from the rear of the rotors on the case. I've never experienced this before (wish I didn't) but I wouldn't say it's horrible. Towards the front side of the rotors their is some roughness where the pair of lobes met. Though the rotors were free spinning today-I'm sure because of the new space given from the scoring and that fact they have contracted because they are cool now. :)

The SC fluid did look grey (metal?) though.

sigh...

metalman
05-09-2010, 05:36 PM
Deconstruction of my sc complete.

Looks like a nice even score all round the rear edge of the sc case. No scoring on the front or rear of the case. So, to me it looks like it scored from expansion as opposed to front to rear play.

Now to find a good rotor pack.

nickleman60
05-09-2010, 06:12 PM
Deconstruction of my sc complete.

Looks like a nice even score all round the rear edge of the sc case. No scoring on the front or rear of the case. So, to me it looks like it scored from expansion as opposed to front to rear play.

Now to find a good rotor pack.

Sounds like good news, talk to Z about a rotor pack. Get it back together and give it a ride around the block and see what it does.

Post up some pics Anthony.

XR7 Dave
05-09-2010, 09:57 PM
Does that car have a MP raised top or is it a home made piece?

metalman
05-09-2010, 10:37 PM
Homemade piece bought on ebay.

metalman
05-09-2010, 10:59 PM
Pics of SC with gouge

In pic 2, those circular marks on the very rear facing of the case is just the machining. They absolutely smooth. But, you can see the gouging on the edging of the rear.

The rotors started melting to each other

engine before broken SC,

and dyno pull

XR7 Dave
05-10-2010, 08:24 AM
Check the flange on the top for flatness. If it is not absolutely flat it will distort the MPX case and cause binding under load. It is rare that I find a home made top that is actually flat which is a scary thought.

Looks like you had a bad set of rotors and the case is probably fine. I would clean the case carefully, looking for any contact points that may have resulted in aluminum being lifted from the case which would give rise to contact with the replacement rotor set. Also, make sure that you thoroughly clean the snout because that grey oil is full of metal filings (that's why it's grey).

Also, since it looks like a lot of grease escaped from the rear bearings, I would at least repack them if you don't also replace them. They probably took a beating from the vibrations.