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Magnum Powers
11-12-2010, 08:05 PM
Hi Gents!

Well its been several months since the last Magnum Powers Group Purchase so I was wondering if there is a MP product that the Super Coupe community would like a: Super Saver, Blue Light Special or Rock Bottom Prices on?

Cheers,
Charles

92sclikenew
11-12-2010, 09:57 PM
Hi Gents!

Well its been several months since the last Magnum Powers Group Purchase so I was wondering if there is a MP product that the Super Coupe community would like a: Super Saver, Blue Light Special or Rock Bottom Prices on?

Cheers,
Charles

i could use a set of springs maybe another group buy for those?:D

XxSlowpokexX
11-13-2010, 11:08 PM
I think I just about have everything unles sits something 94-95 related and new:O)

Tazer999
11-14-2010, 12:34 AM
If it is on the intake/divider, front mount, or polished raised classic top I am in

Magnum Powers
11-14-2010, 03:52 AM
We could do any of those, just depends on how many people want what. I figure we should keep the volumes low maybe 5 or 10.

Charles

scskydivin
11-14-2010, 02:46 PM
I've been waiting for a MP group purch. I'll be keeping tabs on this one. Trying to save for a Dirtyd0g trans but if it's the right price & part(s), I'm game.

Tazer999
11-14-2010, 03:22 PM
How much would the pricing be on the FMIC + polished raised top w/o nut, or intake/divider system be with 5 people Charles? How about with 10?

I'll see if I can set one up for one of those 2 products

Douglas Walker
11-14-2010, 07:53 PM
springs or tb

David Neibert
11-17-2010, 05:54 PM
Charles,

If you do another batch of throttle bodies, please keep me in mind for a 90MM version.

David

PDQ SC
11-17-2010, 06:09 PM
I may be in on a FMIC. I'm gathering momentum to build a motor for the new 90 and would probably want it to work with a 1.7 whipple.

Mike8675309
11-17-2010, 07:22 PM
If you do another batch of throttle bodies, please keep me in mind for a 90MM version.


ditto, i'd be up for one as well.

decipha
11-17-2010, 09:34 PM
what would the price be on the 90?

BLOWN38
11-17-2010, 09:49 PM
Guess I need a 90mm TB also.:cool:

Magnum Powers
11-17-2010, 09:57 PM
Guess I need a 90mm TB also.:cool:

Interesting.. . . We can do that, how many for a 90mm throttle body? Do you think there are 10 out there in SC land?

I have been working in other applications and am finding blower intake is a major limiter on hp.


Charles

fturner
11-17-2010, 10:16 PM
I definitely would like to see a bigger plenum that can flow more for the MPX. From my datalogs it looks like at 15% OD and taking the engine up to 6200 I may have outflowed the plenum.... I'm seeing the same trend in regards to metered air, temperature rises, load and boost when I compared the stock 94/95 plenum to the MP plenum with the 94 blower.

Running the MPX at 25% OD will probably limit me to about 5400 rpm's or so if my calculations are right.

I can't see the 3.5" CAI being the restriction, so I'm assuming it could be the plenum itself.

Fraser

BLOWN38
11-17-2010, 10:35 PM
Interesting.. . . We can do that, how many for a 90mm throttle body? Do you think there are 10 out there in SC land?

I have been working in other applications and am finding blower intake is a major limiter on hp.


Charles

Looks like we have about 4 now. Need a CAI the same size too.

charged92
11-17-2010, 10:35 PM
I might consider a throttle body. I will be talking to Fraser this weekend and will see if he thinks it would be of benefit to me.

Magnum Powers
11-17-2010, 10:41 PM
I definitely would like to see a bigger plenum that can flow more for the MPX. From my datalogs it looks like at 15% OD and taking the engine up to 6200 I may have outflowed the plenum.... I'm seeing the same trend in regards to metered air, temperature rises, load and boost when I compared the stock 94/95 plenum to the MP plenum with the 94 blower.

Running the MPX at 25% OD will probably limit me to about 5400 rpm's or so if my calculations are right.

I can't see the 3.5" CAI being the restriction, so I'm assuming it could be the plenum itself.

Fraser

You have some good insights going on there Fraser. I just got back from Trick Flow were we ran our new Tork Tech kit with the TVS1900. We made 710ftpds @ 3,000 rpm and 779 hp at 6,000 rpm on an engine dyno @21 psi. But to get there I had to redesign the intake plenum, the thing is huge but it did pick up 100hp over a smaller one that was featured in Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford a few months ago. We made a pulley change and upped boost to 25psi. The thing started off making 750 torque at 3,000 rpm and was on target for 850 when we burned the ground tip off one of the spark plugs, the engine started shaking like crazy making nearly 800 hp running on 7 cylinders, kind of wild.

An interesting experiment would be to cut the back off a MP intake plenum and move it back toward the firewall a 1/2" or so and see what happens. Something would have to be done with the return elbow but if someone was clever there might be a lot of power there.


Charles

scskydivin
11-17-2010, 10:47 PM
I'd like to see another MP intake plenum group purch, or a raised sc top. With or w/o the spinner nut.

Magnum Powers
11-17-2010, 10:55 PM
I'd like to see another MP intake plenum group purch, or a raised sc top. With or w/o the spinner nut.

The original MP Inlet or the MPx one?

Charles

Mike8675309
11-17-2010, 10:56 PM
An interesting experiment would be to cut the back off a MP intake plenum and move it back toward the firewall a 1/2" or so and see what happens. Something would have to be done with the return elbow but if someone was clever there might be a lot of power there.


yes, some changes to the entire intake will be needed to support all that a 90mm could gain. The benefit of MP making a 90 is I won't need to buy a 90 made for a different type of linkage and fabricate all that and possibly change throttle cable. If I do a 90 though I will be modifying a number of things to increase the plenum sizes for both the one attached to the blower and the inlet of the intake manifold (which will need to be adjusted anyway to make the blower inlet plenum larger).

That said, make a 90mm with our linkage on it that will work with our throttle (could be a challenge since as the blade gets larger getting progressive behavior can be difficult without lengthening the cable and using a cam setup) setup right around the price of your 85 right now and I'll buy it.

fturner
11-17-2010, 11:03 PM
You have some good insights going on there Fraser. I just got back from Trick Flow were we ran our new Tork Tech kit with the TVS1900. We made 710ftpds @ 3,000 rpm and 779 hp at 6,000 rpm on an engine dyno @21 psi. But to get there I had to redesign the intake plenum, the thing is huge but it did pick up 100hp over a smaller one that was featured in Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford a few months ago. We made a pulley change and upped boost to 25psi. The thing started off making 750 torque at 3,000 rpm and was on target for 850 when we burned the ground tip off one of the spark plugs, the engine started shaking like crazy making nearly 800 hp running on 7 cylinders, kind of wild.

An interesting experiment would be to cut the back off a MP intake plenum and move it back toward the firewall a 1/2" or so and see what happens. Something would have to be done with the return elbow but if someone was clever there might be a lot of power there.


Charles

Darn!!!!! that is some amazing power :eek:....

I've been thinking about something like that myself with the plenum, but I'm not brave enough to hack up my plenum due to my mediocre welding skills, and I've never welded aluminum either.

Fraser

Magnum Powers
11-17-2010, 11:13 PM
Darn!!!!! that is some amazing power :eek:....

I've been thinking about something like that myself with the plenum, but I'm not brave enough to hack up my plenum due to my mediocre welding skills, and I've never welded aluminum either.

Fraser

I don't weld aluminum either so I have a friend weld my stuff. This guy is amazing, I've seen aluminum coke cans welded by him and they look good.

I just cut the pieces, have him weld things together and then I get to it with a die grinder, burr and sanding rolls, before long its looking good.

Charles

fturner
11-17-2010, 11:21 PM
Looks like we have about 4 now. Need a CAI the same size too.

No you don't.... a 3.5" CAI will flow over 1500cfm easily and still stay within sufficient velocity ranges to minimize turbulence..... name one SC in this club that moves that kind of air?

Your talking a 2.5mm change in radius over the 85mm TB, so a gain could potentially take it closer to what the 3.5" pipes will flow, but even a 90mm won't outflow the 3.5" CAI.

Fraser

rzimmerl
11-17-2010, 11:40 PM
I'm interested in a 90MM throttle body also.

BLOWN38
11-17-2010, 11:48 PM
No you don't.... a 3.5" CAI will flow over 1500cfm easily and still stay within sufficient velocity ranges to minimize turbulence..... name one SC in this club that moves that kind of air?

Your talking a 2.5mm change in radius over the 85mm TB, so a gain could potentially take it closer to what the 3.5" pipes will flow, but even a 90mm won't outflow the 3.5" CAI.

Fraser

Ok you're right. 3.5" = 90mm. I must have the 3" intake.:eek: Guess I need to change that.:o No wonder my powas down.:rolleyes:

Magnum Powers
11-17-2010, 11:53 PM
No you don't.... a 3.5" CAI will flow over 1500cfm easily and still stay within sufficient velocity ranges to minimize turbulence..... name one SC in this club that moves that kind of air?

Your talking a 2.5mm change in radius over the 85mm TB, so a gain could potentially take it closer to what the 3.5" pipes will flow, but even a 90mm won't outflow the 3.5" CAI.

Fraser

The 800 hp I was talking about above was made with a 4" intake tube but we were starting to pick up vacuum at the intake, about 2.5" of mercury so we are going to a 4.5" and a huge 3" x5.2" inch throttle body. I agree the 85mm TB is the restriction because of the throttle shaft and the butterfly which reduces the cross sectional area.

BLOWN38
11-17-2010, 11:56 PM
Need group buy on the 3.5 CAI too.:)

XR7 Dave
11-18-2010, 01:00 AM
I'm not really interested in a 90mm TB. I'd want at least a 95mm TB.

There's plenty of room for a bigger plenum on the SC. Just need to get creative and think outside the box. ;)

Wolfswrath
11-18-2010, 01:38 AM
A deal on the aluminum 10% od. crank pulley would be on my wish list.

rzimmerl
11-18-2010, 08:16 AM
I'm not really interested in a 90mm TB. I'd want at least a 95mm TB.

There's plenty of room for a bigger plenum on the SC. Just need to get creative and think outside the box. ;)

Yes there are creative ways to make it happen:D. I agree with Dave on the 95mm, might as well go big if MP is looking to change the size. I believe I have plenty of intake plenum to make a 95MM work.

SCrazy
11-18-2010, 08:37 AM
I'm in for a throttle body as well

XR7 Dave
11-18-2010, 09:36 AM
I think we have 10 people responding already for a 95mm TB. I am quite certain we could have 20 just as easily.

Mike8675309
11-18-2010, 11:13 AM
95mm is fine and likely preferred if that is what Dave is after.

BLOWN38
11-18-2010, 11:51 AM
I'm fine with 95mm too, I guess.

fturner
11-18-2010, 12:44 PM
Yes there are creative ways to make it happen:D. I agree with Dave on the 95mm, might as well go big if MP is looking to change the size. I believe I have plenty of intake plenum to make a 95MM work.

I have a few ideas myself, but beyond welding up some IC tubes and exhaust pipe, I'm lost (but willing to learn) and can't afford the equipment :(.

For a 95mm (which I'm all for) then stepping up to a 3.75" CAI would be a good idea, maybe a 4". The only thing at that point would be the area where we normally put an air filter be open enough to supply the air wanted/required?

Fraser

decipha
11-18-2010, 01:57 PM
I'm not really interested in a 90mm TB. I'd want at least a 95mm TB.

There's plenty of room for a bigger plenum on the SC. Just need to get creative and think outside the box. ;)

I was waiting for this :p

oSCar3.8
11-18-2010, 02:15 PM
I think we have 10 people responding already for a 95mm TB. I am quite certain we could have 20 just as easily.

+1. im in too

rzimmerl
11-18-2010, 02:25 PM
For a 95mm (which I'm all for) then stepping up to a 3.75" CAI would be a good idea, maybe a 4". The only thing at that point would be the area where we normally put an air filter be open enough to supply the air wanted/required?

Fraser

I can see where the bigger tube would be nice to match the 95mm TB, then that leads to the MAF outlet OD. Even with the 85mm C&L tuner MAF you have a 3.5" outlet, is a transition piece of silicone coupler OK to be used without any ill effects? As for the opening in the filter box area, I believe that where the sawzall's are going to come into play.

David Neibert
11-18-2010, 03:44 PM
I'm okay with a 95mm and would actually perfer it over the 90mm, but I doubt it can be done using the current casting. Then again I'm not sure a 90mm could be made from it either.

David

Toms-SC
11-18-2010, 05:19 PM
I'd be interested in a 95mm as well.

Congrats on the work Charles. Sounds like some hard work paying off on that application.

mywhite89
11-18-2010, 05:47 PM
I would be up for a 95mm throttle body.

Chris

Kurt K
11-18-2010, 06:37 PM
I'd be in for a 95mm TB too.

scskydivin
11-18-2010, 10:16 PM
The original MP Inlet or the MPx one?

Charles

The origonal MP Inlet for the stock/ported 94/95 sc. Sounds like I'll hafta wait though.....:(

XxSlowpokexX
11-18-2010, 11:01 PM
Ok Im in for a 90 or 95mm TB...May require a nice modded intake/inlet for my AR though

ricardoa1
11-18-2010, 11:10 PM
Ok Im in for a 90 or 95mm TB...May require a nice modded intake/inlet for my AR though

x2- cast for that? :rolleyes:

David Neibert
11-19-2010, 01:10 AM
Ok Im in for a 90 or 95mm TB...May require a nice modded intake/inlet for my AR though

Lucky me...My SCU 2.3 whipple inlet plenum was built to accept a 95mm TB :cool:

David

rzimmerl
11-19-2010, 08:38 AM
Lucky me...My SCU 2.3 whipple inlet plenum was built to accept a 95mm TB :cool:

David

Mine's close and can easily be adapted, all I'll have do is port the 1/4" TB mounting plate to the diameter of the inlet.

David Neibert
11-19-2010, 08:48 AM
Mine's close and can easily be adapted, all I'll have do is port the 1/4" TB mounting plate to the diameter of the inlet.

With a larger TB I'll probably have to get the 87mm MAF recalibrated too, or go bigger because I'm right on the edge of pegging it now with 4.965 volts showing on the datalogs.

David

rzimmerl
11-19-2010, 08:55 AM
I wonder if the C&L 85mm Tuner MAF will give you any more range over the 87mm you have? Sounds like another questions for the tuning guru's.

scskydivin
11-20-2010, 01:42 AM
Charles,
Since everyone wants the huge throttle body, I was wondering how long until you have another group buy? Do you consider producing/selling 2 or 3 products in a group purchase at once? Or just one at a time? Thx
Ray

fturner
11-20-2010, 08:59 AM
I wonder if the C&L 85mm Tuner MAF will give you any more range over the 87mm you have? Sounds like another questions for the tuning guru's.

If your going with a 95mm TB, I would suggest looking into going to a 95mm or slightly bigger MAF... not for range of readings, because a C&L 76mm could have enough "range" to cover everyone's cars sensor wise , but for air flow.

You want to try to gradually taper down from the filter to the back of the blower to keep air flow velocity up, or better, to accelerate it. You don't want to go the other way because you'll lose what your trying to gain in air flow capacity because of turbulence etc.

Dat der ai flew thing-a-migga-jigger is da complex jing to fiker ot

Fraser

rzimmerl
11-20-2010, 09:26 AM
What MAF's are available for us 95mm or larger?

CMac89
11-20-2010, 10:58 AM
What MAF's are available for us 95mm or larger?
All the way up to 110mm.

Tazer999
11-20-2010, 07:10 PM
Looks like nobody else wants the FMIC with me, I'll just put through a regular order in a little bit Charles

ScrapSC
11-20-2010, 09:15 PM
Wonder if this will help my Eaton out?;)

XR7 Dave
11-20-2010, 09:45 PM
Wonder if this will help my Eaton out?;)
I believe it will. Plans are underway to test a ported MPX with an enlarged plenum and 4" intake system.

Magnum Powers
11-20-2010, 10:10 PM
For some reason this thread quite notifying me of new posts, I had thought it went dead.

Looks like there are a bunch of you who want a 95 mm TB. There is just one small issue with that, 95 mm is 1 mm larger then the outside of the casting. :eek:

A new casting would be required.

I still have a bunch of throttle shafts that can be reworked for a 95 mm blade.

If we stick with the same basic design the CNC milling machine program can be reused but the fixture that holds the casting to the 4th axis would need to be mod'ed or a new one made. The CNC lathe program will need to be reworked but that is a simple task.

So to do this I would need a new sand cast mold, not cheap.

How serious are you guys about this?

I think we would need at least 20 to make this work and then there would not be much profit for me but the SC community would have a new part.


Charles

XR7 Dave
11-20-2010, 11:38 PM
I am quite serious. If we can't get one made here I will find a way to adapt something else to work (I don't want to do this!). I feel that we have not found the limit of the motor's ability to make power. We have not broken a motor yet from too much power or rpm so this tells me that we need to find a way to get more air in and to do it efficiently.

Based on what you have said regarding your testing with the 4.6L and from what I've read from other applications and TB / blower intake sizing, it seems apparent that we need more CFM. I think that across the board people are ready for more airflow and I'm not just talking about those with exotic blowers. I think that the M90 crowd can use a bigger TB as well. I plan to continue testing with the ported MPX. I will begin with enlarging the plenum and then we'll go from there.

I think we can get 20 people to step up. If we start off with that, what would be the per unit cost estimate?

Magnum Powers
11-20-2010, 11:59 PM
I am quite serious. If we can't get one made here I will find a way to adapt something else to work (I don't want to do this!). I feel that we have not found the limit of the motor's ability to make power. We have not broken a motor yet from too much power or rpm so this tells me that we need to find a way to get more air in and to do it efficiently.

Based on what you have said regarding your testing with the 4.6L and from what I've read from other applications and TB / blower intake sizing, it seems apparent that we need more CFM. I think that across the board people are ready for more airflow and I'm not just talking about those with exotic blowers. I think that the M90 crowd can use a bigger TB as well. I plan to continue testing with the ported MPX. I will begin with enlarging the plenum and then we'll go from there.

I think we can get 20 people to step up. If we start off with that, what would be the per unit cost estimate?

If we can get 20 I will commit to $300 per unit. Hopefully after that more orders will come and I will have a return on my investment.

Charles

BLOWN38
11-21-2010, 12:04 AM
If we can get 20 I will commit to $300 per unit. Hopefully after that more orders will come and I will have a return on my investment.

Charles

I'm still in!

XxSlowpokexX
11-21-2010, 03:28 AM
still in here

rzimmerl
11-21-2010, 09:04 AM
If we can get 20 I will commit to $300 per unit. Hopefully after that more orders will come and I will have a return on my investment.

Charles

I'm still in.

XR7 Dave
11-21-2010, 10:16 AM
I would be in for 3 units.

Magnum Powers
11-21-2010, 11:20 AM
Looks like nobody else wants the FMIC with me, I'll just put through a regular order in a little bit Charles

Thanks, looks like you will be getting the last one. I only have one set of tubes left and the company who bends the tubes will only do batches of 30. So unless we do a GP, so I can recover the cost of the tubes, your order will be the last.

Charles

David Neibert
11-21-2010, 12:27 PM
I'm still in for one.

David

Sampo
11-21-2010, 12:37 PM
How big MAF it will require if using 95mm TB with MPx?

I quess there's no idea run 95mm TB with 80mm MAF...

D.D is selling bigger MAF than 80mm?

-Sami

Magnum Powers
11-21-2010, 12:54 PM
One thing I noticed when flow bench testing intakes a few weeks ago is how sensitive airflow is to the air filter. It is VERY important that the air filter has a radius on the inside where it slips onto the MAF and there are no sharp edges in that area. A radius on the inside forms a trumpet shape so air is guided in. I was surprised how much a sharp edge reduces airflow, like 10%-15%.

Check out AEM, their filters flow very good and don't use oil, which is good since oil can get on the MAF sensor causing bad readings.

http://www.aemintakes.com/dryflow_air_filters.htm

You can see the rather large radius in the picture.

Charles

macius8
11-21-2010, 01:31 PM
I'm in for one tb.

Kurt K
11-21-2010, 04:09 PM
I'll still be in for one.

Nettlesd
11-21-2010, 05:53 PM
Corrected.


I'll still be in for two. I always buy in pairs.

Roadhawg
11-21-2010, 07:16 PM
If your going with a 95mm TB, I would suggest looking into going to a 95mm or slightly bigger MAF... not for range of readings, because a C&L 76mm could have enough "range" to cover everyone's cars sensor wise , but for air flow.

You want to try to gradually taper down from the filter to the back of the blower to keep air flow velocity up, or better, to accelerate it. You don't want to go the other way because you'll lose what your trying to gain in air flow capacity because of turbulence etc.

Dat der ai flew thing-a-migga-jigger is da complex jing to fiker ot

Fraser

Why not use a 2005+ Mustang sloted style Maf sensor and incorperate into the CAI.

Btw add me to the 95mm Throttlebody list

rzimmerl
11-21-2010, 07:30 PM
Why not use a 2005+ Mustang sloted style Maf sensor and incorperate into the CAI.


I believe Cmac's using one of these as a blow thru, but they offer draw thru packages also, 100mm and 115mm housings.

http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=catalog&parent=99&pg=1

They already offer group discounts on the 115mm with the sensor
http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=236&parent=99

XR7 Dave
11-21-2010, 09:17 PM
MAF's have never been a problem. I have lots of big MAF options for you guys but we have to get a bigger TB first before it makes much difference.

XxSlowpokexX
11-22-2010, 12:41 AM
Why not use a 2005+ Mustang sloted style Maf sensor and incorperate into the CAI.

Btw add me to the 95mm Throttlebody list

The factory sensor wouldnt support our high power cars unless we used a reallt large diameter tube. The PMAS slot types we could definitely use. Id think th nlet on the AR kit is the restriction at this point though not the TB.

Sampo
11-22-2010, 02:04 AM
MAF's have never been a problem. I have lots of big MAF options for you guys but we have to get a bigger TB first before it makes much difference.

Ok, good.:cool:

DLF
11-22-2010, 04:20 AM
Thanks, looks like you will be getting the last one. I only have one set of tubes left and the company who bends the tubes will only do batches of 30. So unless we do a GP, so I can recover the cost of the tubes, your order will be the last.

Charles

If you ever make another batch, consider using aluminum or stainless tubing, as the finish on the chromed mild steel tubing doesn't last. :(

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 11:54 AM
I think we have 10 people responding already for a 95mm TB. I am quite certain we could have 20 just as easily.

It looks to me we have 20 who are ready to sign up so I'll update the MP website to except deposits and we will get going. The deposit will be for $200 and the sign up period will end 12/10/2010. We need people to sign up right away as a new pattern is not cheap.


Cheers,
Charles

David Neibert
11-22-2010, 01:15 PM
It looks to me we have 20 who are ready to sign up so I'll update the MP website to except deposits and we will get going. The deposit will be for $200 and the sign up period will end 12/10/2010. We need people to sign up right away as a new pattern is not cheap.


Cheers,
Charles

Charles,

Can you please post a link for the group buy $200 deposit.

David

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 01:24 PM
Charles,

Can you please post a link for the group buy $200 deposit.

David

Here you go: http://www.magnumpowers.com/thunder_pro_pri.php

Charles

David Neibert
11-22-2010, 01:26 PM
Charles,

Thanks...how much extra to get it polished ?

David

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 01:47 PM
Charles,

Thanks...how much extra to get it polished ?

David

$55


Charles

David Neibert
11-22-2010, 02:00 PM
$55


Charles

Great...I'd like mine polished.

David

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 02:05 PM
Great...I'd like mine polished.

David

David, I'll make that option available when the MP page is updated for the final payment.

Charles

rapper33142
11-22-2010, 02:49 PM
is this tb going to replace the 85mm or is this just a one time thing ...

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 03:04 PM
is this tb going to replace the 85mm or is this just a one time thing ...

It all depends on what you guys want.

BTW, Sir David already made his deposit so he is the first one to put money down on the Big Daddy 95 mm Throttle Body, this thing has officially started. The sooner we get the rest of you signed up the sooner we can start building the new sand casting pattern.


Cheers,
Charles

Mike8675309
11-22-2010, 03:35 PM
Some thoughts on a 95mm tb.

I'm not sure what the bolt hole spacing is on the various plenum flanges (stock, MP, Twin Screw Kits) but I wouldn't want the bore of the throttle body to be limited due to needing to fit. Thus I assume, it is possible if not likely that modifications to any plenum will be necessary to fit such a throttle body. I have no issue with that, I just haven't seen it discussed.

Fitting a 4" intake tube is challenging and may require a different bend and perhaps multiple bends that you didn't need with a smaller tube. For packaging concerns it might even be something that needs to be prototyped first. If we are going to be re-working the plenum regardless, then getting a known angle to offset the mating flange by would be helpful. I currently have a 4" tube (seen in this thread :http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96143&highlight=spectre+performance) with some reducers on either end to mate to a 75mm tb and 80mm C&L. Without the flexible reducer at the throttle body, it would not have all fit, as the large tube size is pushed by the hood which pushes the tube down. When pushed down it hits the inner fender sheet metal which causes it to follow the angle and shift towards the drivers side. Right now, this movement is taken up by the 3"-4" coupling on the end of the throttle body but it isn't pretty.

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 06:03 PM
Some thoughts on a 95mm tb.

I'm not sure what the bolt hole spacing is on the various plenum flanges (stock, MP, Twin Screw Kits) but I wouldn't want the bore of the throttle body to be limited due to needing to fit. Thus I assume, it is possible if not likely that modifications to any plenum will be necessary to fit such a throttle body. I have no issue with that, I just haven't seen it discussed.

Fitting a 4" intake tube is challenging and may require a different bend and perhaps multiple bends that you didn't need with a smaller tube. For packaging concerns it might even be something that needs to be prototyped first. If we are going to be re-working the plenum regardless, then getting a known angle to offset the mating flange by would be helpful. I currently have a 4" tube (seen in this thread :http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96143&highlight=spectre+performance) with some reducers on either end to mate to a 75mm tb and 80mm C&L. Without the flexible reducer at the throttle body, it would not have all fit, as the large tube size is pushed by the hood which pushes the tube down. When pushed down it hits the inner fender sheet metal which causes it to follow the angle and shift towards the drivers side. Right now, this movement is taken up by the 3"-4" coupling on the end of the throttle body but it isn't pretty.

I can speak to the bolt pattern question; I am planning on using the same bolt pattern as the MP85mm that is the same as stock.

Charles

rzimmerl
11-22-2010, 06:45 PM
I can speak to the bolt pattern question; I am planning on using the same bolt pattern as the MP85mm that is the same as stock.

Charles

Thats very good know, and should be a good selling point for people looking at getting the 95mm throttle body that have MP inlet plenums, and custom twin screw inlets.

nickleman60
11-22-2010, 06:58 PM
I just paid my deposit...........

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 08:53 PM
I just paid my deposit...........

Got it, that's two officially!!

Thanks,
Charles

XxSlowpokexX
11-22-2010, 09:12 PM
:D;););):(:rolleyes:Paid

Mike8675309
11-22-2010, 09:30 PM
Should have at least 3 by now.

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 11:11 PM
Should have at least 3 by now.

We have 5 now, 3 more this evening!!! Way to go guys! :cool:


Charles

Magnum Powers
11-22-2010, 11:30 PM
Some thoughts on a 95mm tb.

I'm not sure what the bolt hole spacing is on the various plenum flanges (stock, MP, Twin Screw Kits) but I wouldn't want the bore of the throttle body to be limited due to needing to fit. Thus I assume, it is possible if not likely that modifications to any plenum will be necessary to fit such a throttle body. I have no issue with that, I just haven't seen it discussed.

Fitting a 4" intake tube is challenging and may require a different bend and perhaps multiple bends that you didn't need with a smaller tube. For packaging concerns it might even be something that needs to be prototyped first. If we are going to be re-working the plenum regardless, then getting a known angle to offset the mating flange by would be helpful. I currently have a 4" tube (seen in this thread :http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=96143&highlight=spectre+performance) with some reducers on either end to mate to a 75mm tb and 80mm C&L. Without the flexible reducer at the throttle body, it would not have all fit, as the large tube size is pushed by the hood which pushes the tube down. When pushed down it hits the inner fender sheet metal which causes it to follow the angle and shift towards the drivers side. Right now, this movement is taken up by the 3"-4" coupling on the end of the throttle body but it isn't pretty.

Since 95 mm is 3.74" I'd suggest 4" OD tube that has an ID somewhat smaller, something like 3.8" which is very close to the same as a 95 mm TB.

But way don't you guys figure out what you want and I will build it for you.

I have done integrated MAF intake tubes before, which IMO is a good idea.

Charles

macius8
11-23-2010, 01:03 AM
just paid as well :)

Magnum Powers
11-23-2010, 01:33 AM
just paid as well :)

That's 6!!!

Thanks,
Charles

XxSlowpokexX
11-23-2010, 10:25 AM
Actually an intergrated slot style maf allowing us a huge filter would be a great idea. No need for flanges or adapters

David Neibert
11-27-2010, 12:16 PM
Charles,

How many are we up to at this point ?

David

Motohead
11-27-2010, 06:47 PM
This is great count me in for 1!

SCrazy
11-29-2010, 03:08 PM
I'm in....all paid up.

Ira R.
11-29-2010, 05:22 PM
Since 95 mm is 3.74" I'd suggest 4" OD tube that has an ID somewhat smaller, something like 3.8" which is very close to the same as a 95 mm TB.

But way don't you guys figure out what you want and I will build it for you.

I have done integrated MAF intake tubes before, which IMO is a good idea.

Charles

An intergrated setup makes the most sense to me. I would love to see a complete setup, something like what Mike posted up before. In that case just add the MAF of your choice and bolt it in.

Ira

shoalcracker
11-30-2010, 02:03 AM
Ira

+1

Every successful build that I've read about here seems to have a balanced component theme.

Paul

David Neibert
11-30-2010, 02:55 PM
Actually an intergrated slot style maf allowing us a huge filter would be a great idea. No need for flanges or adapters

I would really like that too.

David

Mike8675309
11-30-2010, 03:28 PM
Folks interested in the 95mm throttle body. Make sure you have placed your deposit. Simply saying I'm interested isn't sufficient.

Kurt K
11-30-2010, 04:47 PM
My snail-mail check should be there by now.

rzimmerl
11-30-2010, 06:51 PM
Just sent my payment in.

Steve Richards
12-01-2010, 10:44 PM
Just paid a deposit on one.

Magnum Powers
12-03-2010, 12:20 AM
We now have 14 signed up for the 95 mm TB, just a few more to go.


I am thinking of eliminating the idle set screw that sets in a hole on top of the boss that the idle air valve mounts to. Do you guys find that feature useful or just a waist. The gross idle could just as easily be set with the butterfly idle set screw as most TB do. Your thoughts?


Charles

rzimmerl
12-03-2010, 08:07 AM
I have used that feature to adjust idle.

XR7 Dave
12-03-2010, 09:57 AM
We now have 14 signed up for the 95 mm TB, just a few more to go.


I am thinking of eliminating the idle set screw that sets in a hole on top of the boss that the idle air valve mounts to. Do you guys find that feature useful or just a waist. The gross idle could just as easily be set with the butterfly idle set screw as most TB do. Your thoughts?


Charles

Screw the screw. haha.

It's pointless.

Ira R.
12-03-2010, 10:00 AM
I have used that feature to adjust idle.

As have I.

Ira

XR7 Dave
12-03-2010, 10:09 AM
Having used it doesn't mean it's necessary or even desired. Everyone else in the world uses the throttle stop screw. It's only Ford guys, the ones who wrongly insisted that the TPS had to sit at .92v, that needed a bypass screw. The bypass screw is the result of people not understanding how their EEC works and making up reasons to complicate things.

David Neibert
12-03-2010, 11:49 AM
Charles,

I don't care about the bypass screw, especially if it makes this initial group purchase possible with less than 20 people.

David

nickleman60
12-03-2010, 12:04 PM
Charles,

I don't care about the bypass screw, especially if it makes this initial group purchase possible with less than 20 people.

David

Ditto, My idle is set at 900 ( I think..:confused: )through the EEC from Dalkes tune.

BLOWN38
12-03-2010, 01:35 PM
I use it, but don't have to have it. And +1 with what Neibert said.:)

Mike8675309
12-03-2010, 02:37 PM
Just make sure the throttle stop screw has sufficiently fine adjustment, and that the clearance of the boar to throttle plate is very tight. As the blade size gets larger, the impact of small changes grow. Thus we need some help in getting fine adjustment control for the throttle stop.

Ira R.
12-03-2010, 02:50 PM
I use it, but don't have to have it. And +1 with what Neibert said.:)

+1. I didn't say I liked using it, I said I have. Call it the screw of last resort to keep the car from stalling after a sudden stop.

Ira

Roadhawg
12-03-2010, 03:08 PM
Everyone else in the world uses the throttle stop screw.

I use a small fender clip to set my idle.
The idle stop screw on my 85mm throttlebody will not turn and I was afraid of breaking the casting, if I forced the issue.
Maybe this winter I will drill out the screw and re-tap it.

XxSlowpokexX
12-03-2010, 03:46 PM
Its a nice feature when you dont have a means for adjusting the EEC. But abyone buying a 95mm TB I would assume has a way of messing with the EEC..Hey does removal make it cheaper :O)

SCrazy
12-03-2010, 09:49 PM
I haven't been able to turn the screw on my 85mm in years....no problems. I would not mind seeing it eliminated.

Roadhawg
12-04-2010, 09:22 AM
I just made my deposit. I did this to help support the other people in the group buy.
The 95mm will be for future use, as I have my reservations on the flow capability of the MPX and the inlet plenum.

David Neibert
12-04-2010, 01:24 PM
I just made my deposit. I did this to help support the other people in the group buy.
The 95mm will be for future use, as I have my reservations on the flow capability of the MPX and the inlet plenum.

Thanks for your support Todd.

David

Magnum Powers
12-04-2010, 04:33 PM
Thanks for your support Todd.

David

I second that Todd!

Charles

XxSlowpokexX
12-04-2010, 05:16 PM
Mine liek most everything will be sitting on a shelf s well :O)

Mike8675309
12-04-2010, 05:27 PM
Mine liek most everything will be sitting on a shelf s well :O)

I highly doubt mine would get installed before winter 2011, but I guess I wasn't necessarily expecting to see a new 95mm TB show up instantly.

XR7 Dave
12-04-2010, 06:30 PM
You guys are going to be jealous. :p

Mike8675309
12-04-2010, 10:13 PM
Just put down a second deposit. Lets get this deal done.

p.s. I don't get jealous, I get motivated.

seawalkersee
12-04-2010, 10:44 PM
You have some good insights going on there Fraser. I just got back from Trick Flow were we ran our new Tork Tech kit with the TVS1900. We made 710ftpds @ 3,000 rpm and 779 hp at 6,000 rpm on an engine dyno @21 psi. But to get there I had to redesign the intake plenum, the thing is huge but it did pick up 100hp over a smaller one that was featured in Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford a few months ago. We made a pulley change and upped boost to 25psi. The thing started off making 750 torque at 3,000 rpm and was on target for 850 when we burned the ground tip off one of the spark plugs, the engine started shaking like crazy making nearly 800 hp running on 7 cylinders, kind of wild.

An interesting experiment would be to cut the back off a MP intake plenum and move it back toward the firewall a 1/2" or so and see what happens. Something would have to be done with the return elbow but if someone was clever there might be a lot of power there.


Charles

I don't want to get too far off track here. Espically since this is a thread for selling.

Is there a thread on this build or a youtube page or something?

SWS

David Neibert
12-04-2010, 10:54 PM
Just put down a second deposit. Lets get this deal done.

p.s. I don't get jealous, I get motivated.

Thanks Mike.

David

Magnum Powers
12-05-2010, 12:55 AM
I don't want to get too far off track here. Espically since this is a thread for selling.

Is there a thread on this build or a youtube page or something?

SWS

There has been a series of articles in Muscle Mustang and Fast Ford. A couple of issues back they (at blow-by racing) made 615 wrhp on pump gas and 639 or something like that on race fuel. They tried upping the boost with a pulley change and it all went to hell so they put the smaller lower pulley back on and called it a day. This was well below my expectations and upon further research I noticed, on the flow bench, there was a lot of vacuum at the supercharger intake so I underwent a redesign of the intake including the intake plenum and throttle body. We picked up 50 hp on pump and over 100 on fuel. The new stuff has been shipped to Blow-By Racing, where the article is being done, there should be a new article on the TTI kit in a couple of months. I think if you surf to MM&FF and look at the back issues you should see the articles.

But onto our project here, today I'm hard at work for you guys designing the new 95 mm throttle body for you all. I hope to have a screen shot to upload shortly. We are short the 20 needed to sign up by a few so we need a few more to sign up, I don't want to come up short and go into a hole on this one guys.

Cheers,
Charles

Magnum Powers
12-05-2010, 02:30 AM
Okay, here are some screen shots of the 95 mm TB for the Super Coupe Special:

shoalcracker
12-05-2010, 03:32 AM
Charles

Just Curious

Will you be building the 95 and the TVS plenum as a bolt on.

Paul

Magnum Powers
12-05-2010, 04:05 AM
Charles

Just Curious

Will you be building the 95 and the TVS plenum as a bolt on.

Paul

The problem Paul is the TVS is 2.5" longer then the M90 and will not fit without major surgery to the intake manifold. To make the TVS fit would require air entering the manifold by some other way then the return elbow or the thermostat housing would need to move elsewhere. Perhaps there is some way to re-route the coolant passages in the front of the manifold and remote mount the thermostat. Then if the TVS was mounted about 6" forward of where the M90 sits now and ran a short snout there would be enough room at the rear for a decent size intake plenum.


Charles

nanatothesixth
12-05-2010, 10:49 AM
just made my deposit!

XxSlowpokexX
12-05-2010, 02:01 PM
I know the Cobra guys have made huge gains because of restrictions before the inlet of the SC. I think the 95mm TB along with upgraded inlets would do wonders for some of the AR guys. I dont know when Ill be able to use his TB but if anyone ever does plan on upping the ante in the future especially with aftermarket SC's this should be something to get...Even if it ssits on a shelf for awhile.

Toms-SC
12-06-2010, 07:04 PM
Apologizes for my lateness. Been having some 'what do I want to do with my car' issues. Deposit sent in.

David Neibert
12-06-2010, 07:09 PM
Apologizes for my lateness. Been having some 'what do I want to do with my car' issues. Deposit sent in.

Thanks Tom, we should be getting real close to the minimum order quanity now.

David

Toms-SC
12-06-2010, 08:50 PM
I can confirm that I was number 18. Two short now.

Jason Wild
12-06-2010, 10:58 PM
only 1 left to go now.:)

Magnum Powers
12-06-2010, 11:21 PM
19 booked!! :)

Charles

Toms-SC
12-07-2010, 07:56 PM
Are we there yet?

Magnum Powers
12-07-2010, 09:18 PM
Are we there yet?


One more to go.

mywhite89
12-09-2010, 10:31 AM
One more to go.

I'll take that last one needed, thank you very much! I want mine polished also Charles. Thanks!

Chris

P.S.......paid

Toms-SC
12-09-2010, 01:58 PM
Woo hoo! :cool:

Jason Wild
12-09-2010, 11:52 PM
sweet i can not wate to get them.:D

David Neibert
12-10-2010, 12:56 AM
Thanks Chris, and thanks to all the others who stepped up to make this happen.

David

PS: Now we need to talk about that 4" cold air intake, and the integrated MAF option.

CMac89
12-10-2010, 11:48 AM
Thanks Chris, and thanks to all the others who stepped up to make this happen.

David

PS: Now we need to talk about that 4" cold air intake, and the integrated MAF option.

Get some 4" tubing from eBay and a slot MAF flange, then start fabricating.

http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=p5197.m570.l1313&_nkw=4+inch+aluminum+tubing&_sacat=See-All-Categories

http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=catalog&parent=31&pg=1

http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=catalog&parent=99&pg=1

http://www.vmptuning.com/store/index.php?p=product&id=193&parent=30

They have group buy prices listed, too, which are very good prices.

rzimmerl
12-10-2010, 11:59 AM
To add to what Casey has posted, I have found a way to use a slot style MAF using plug and play adapter harness's, so you will not have to cut and splice wires on the MAF harness of your car. I'll post the links for the harness's.

CMac89
12-10-2010, 12:44 PM
I forgot to include that. Here's some information just so people feel more comfortable about the swap. There are a large range of MAF options for the slot style MAFs, which provide a good range for HP. If anybody is like me, I like to know exactly what to do before I buy something.

For the cutting and splicing route:

'05+ 6-wire

http://rjminjectiontech.com/?p=10

http://rjminjectiontech.com/images/maf-connector05-up.jpg

This page tells you the function of each wire and the location of the pin to find the correct wiring. The IAT and its ground isn't mandatory for the MAF to work, but it could be used for some external IAT gauge.
http://fordfuelinjection.com/?p=26

Maybe Ryan found a direct harness, but from what I'm finding, you would have to use two adapter harnesses.

Junction this harness:

http://rjminjectiontech.com/?p=14

http://rjminjectiontech.com/images/89-93-MAF-adaptor.jpg

To this harness:

http://www.lethalperformance.com/03-04-mustang-mach-1-induction-maf-c-19_387_390/lethal-perfornance-maf-adapter-harness-p-29602

http://www.lethalperformance.com/images/medium/LP-MAFHARNESS_MED.jpg

XR7 Dave
12-10-2010, 12:59 PM
Over $100 for harness adapters, re you mad? lol :p I'm all for plug and play but damn. Just splice the wires, it's not like you are going to to back to an EEC IV MAF anyway.

rzimmerl
12-10-2010, 01:07 PM
Casey, are you using the 05+ stock sensor or the HPX sensor?

CMac89
12-10-2010, 01:09 PM
I aaggreeeee!! I went the splicing route for that reason. People always do things that don't seem reasonable to me, so I just tried to stay unbiased.:)

rzimmerl
12-10-2010, 10:50 PM
Look about half way down you'll see the MAF harness's.

http://www.mass-air.com/Products.htm

Look at product OA-9305-F, OBD1 (4 wire oval) to OBD2 Gen 2 (2005 - current, 6-wire mini rectangular).

$49.95

Magnum Powers
12-13-2010, 08:47 PM
We are over 20 so today pattern making has began, in a few weeks it should be done. :)

Charles

Magnum Powers
12-14-2010, 07:36 PM
The MP website has been updated with the giant 95MM Throttle Body final payment shopping cart.

Surf to: http://www.magnumpowers.com/thunder_pro_pri.php

Thanks Much,
Charles

David Neibert
12-15-2010, 12:34 AM
The MP website has been updated with the giant 95MM Throttle Body final payment shopping cart.

Surf to: http://www.magnumpowers.com/thunder_pro_pri.php

Thanks Much,
Charles

Charles,

Can you please add a $155 final payment link for those of us who want it polished.

When is this payment due, at completion and prior to shipping or now ?

Thanks, David

Ira R.
12-15-2010, 10:25 AM
I think Charles should consider updating the cold air intake listed there also. He currently offers the setup with 3" or 3.5" tubes, well, he should add a tube size for the new TB right? ;)

Ira

Magnum Powers
12-15-2010, 07:44 PM
charles,

can you please add a $155 final payment link for those of us who want it polished.

When is this payment due, at completion and prior to shipping or now ?

Thanks, david

I updated the MP site to include the BIG TB in polished version.

Charles

Magnum Powers
12-15-2010, 07:48 PM
I think Charles should consider updating the cold air intake listed there also. He currently offers the setup with 3" or 3.5" tubes, well, he should add a tube size for the new TB right? ;)

Ira

So you guys want a 4" tube with the 05 slit type MAF sensor intergrated into it?

Aluminum I assume?

Charles

nickleman60
12-15-2010, 07:51 PM
Charles,

When is this payment due, at completion and prior to shipping or now ?

Thanks, David

Same question here Charles...............

Magnum Powers
12-15-2010, 08:16 PM
Same question here Charles...............

It would be nice if you can make the payment now but if not before shipment.

Thanks,
Charles

fturner
12-15-2010, 10:25 PM
Any chance for a bigger inlet plenum for the MPX that could use that TB?

Fraser

Magnum Powers
12-15-2010, 11:22 PM
Any chance for a bigger inlet plenum for the MPX that could use that TB?

Fraser

David is going to do some experimenting this winter. The thought is to section the MPx plenum back to front and add an inch or so to its fatness. This mod will require reworking the return elbow so everything fits. We will see how that all works out.

It takes a lot of sells to offset the cost of the plenum mold as it has a very complex core, much more then the 95mm TB.

If we were to get a hundred or so orders over the life of the extra big huge plenum it would pay. We have sold hundreds and hundreds of the SC plenums over the years so perhaps this is possible. If not the best bet is to rework the existing plenum.

Charles

fturner
12-16-2010, 10:17 AM
David is going to do some experimenting this winter. The thought is to section the MPx plenum back to front and add an inch or so to its fatness. This mod will require reworking the return elbow so everything fits. We will see how that all works out.

It takes a lot of sells to offset the cost of the plenum mold as it has a very complex core, much more then the 95mm TB.

If we were to get a hundred or so orders over the life of the extra big huge plenum it would pay. We have sold hundreds and hundreds of the SC plenums over the years so perhaps this is possible. If not the best bet is to rework the existing plenum.

Charles

Thanks for the honest reply, it fits into what I was thinking of for the future of the MPX.

Fraser

David Neibert
12-16-2010, 12:51 PM
So you guys want a 4" tube with the 05 slit type MAF sensor intergrated into it?

Aluminum I assume?

Charles

Charles,

I think we really need to start a new thread on this topic in the New Products forum. I don't know enough about the slot style MAF to comment further. I would like this new intake pipe to be made such that it is somewhat compatible with the MP cold air divider, and will allow more space inside the air divider for a larger air filter. My 87mm bullet MAF length only allows space to comfortably fit a 7" long cone filter. I'd like space for a 9" or larger.

David

Magnum Powers
12-16-2010, 01:25 PM
Charles,

I think we really need to start a new thread on this topic in the New Products forum. I don't know enough about the slot style MAF to comment further. I would like this new intake pipe to be made such that it is somewhat compatible with the MP cold air divider, and will allow more space inside the air divider for a larger air filter. My 87mm bullet MAF length only allows space to comfortably fit a 7" long cone filter. I'd like space for a 9" or larger.

David

Here you go David, a new thread for the big intake:
http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?p=921646#post921646

Charles

Jason Wild
12-17-2010, 06:10 PM
Charles,
whats the size of the base I would like to know so i can make my new inlet to fit befor I get my TB.

thanks

Magnum Powers
12-17-2010, 06:26 PM
Charles,
whats the size of the base I would like to know so i can make my new inlet to fit befor I get my TB.

thanks

Click on the link to the PDF file, it should open with the dimensions you need.

Charles

David Neibert
12-17-2010, 11:40 PM
Click on the link to the PDF file, it should open with the dimensions you need.

Charles

All I can see is a side view.

David

Magnum Powers
12-18-2010, 03:08 AM
All I can see is a side view.

David

Woops, here you go.

Charles

mywhite89
01-07-2011, 08:48 PM
Just got a new throttlebody today from magnum powers as part of this group purchase. Very nice.......but what the heck is this suppose to fit??????:eek:

Chris

Whats charles e-mail address, I cannot get into the link for his website???

BLOWN38
01-07-2011, 10:50 PM
Just got a new throttlebody today from magnum powers as part of this group purchase. Very nice.......but what the heck is this suppose to fit??????:eek:

Chris

Whats charles e-mail address, I cannot get into the link for his website???

Fits a Mod motor. Looks sweet!:eek:

ironworker
01-08-2011, 02:21 AM
Just got a new throttlebody today from magnum powers as part of this group purchase. Very nice.......but what the heck is this suppose to fit??????:eek:

Chris

Whats charles e-mail address, I cannot get into the link for his website???

looks like u got the lighting tb here is the link see if it lookes like the one u got

http://www.magnumpowers.com/light_pro_pri.php

mywhite89
01-08-2011, 10:21 AM
I talked to charles this morning. I'm sending it back to him. Our thottlebody's wont be ready until spring.

ironworker
01-08-2011, 01:22 PM
let me know how these fit i would like to get one

Magnum Powers
01-08-2011, 07:40 PM
I talked to charles this morning. I'm sending it back to him. Our thottlebody's wont be ready until spring.

Woops, me bad! :o

The TB is our "Big O" for the Lightning.

Charles

David Neibert
02-13-2011, 12:06 PM
Charles,

Just wondering how the new 95mm TBs are progressing. I'm starting to plan out my 2011 mods and having an estimated completion date for the TB would be very helpful.

Thanks, David

Magnum Powers
02-13-2011, 12:23 PM
Charles,

Just wondering how the new 95mm TBs are progressing. I'm starting to plan out my 2011 mods and having an estimated completion date for the TB would be very helpful.

Thanks, David

Finishing up the master pattern now and the foundry man is coming over this week hopefully to discuss how it should be gated, them a master mold will be cast from the master pattern and cast onto the production board, quite a long process. Parts then can be cast and machined afterwards. We should be done sometime this spring.

Charles

nickleman60
02-13-2011, 06:52 PM
Charles,
Let me know when the final payment is due.

BLOWN38
02-13-2011, 09:10 PM
Charles,
Let me know when the final payment is due.

The link is already up for the final payment on mag pow site.

nickleman60
02-13-2011, 11:55 PM
The link is already up for the final payment on mag pow site.

Thanks Chris, final payment sent Charles.

ricardoa1
03-24-2011, 05:18 PM
How is the sometime this Spring going? we are 4 days into it.
:D

David Neibert
03-24-2011, 11:36 PM
How is the sometime this Spring going? we are 4 days into it.
:D

Thanks for asking...I didn't want to appear impatient :o

David

victor malvar
03-25-2011, 04:45 AM
Charles, I am thinking of something new. I have some ideas for a new item that would help many of us. It would need further research and enthusiasm from the community and you. I am going to write you about this product. I will write you about it very soon. I believe many of us would be interested. I will write you about my idea. I have been Thinking of something unique but this product would be an extention of things we have had before just a new version of these two products. I will disclose it after I speak with you 1st......

Victor......

SCrazy
03-28-2011, 03:25 PM
Thanks for asking...I didn't want to appear impatient :o

David

I'll bump this one......

David Neibert
04-11-2011, 03:26 PM
In response to a PM sent to Charles this morning requesting a delivery update.


The production board should be cast this week and then off to the foundry. Most likely parts are about 6 weeks off.

Charles


David

SCrazy
04-11-2011, 03:39 PM
That sucks.....

Ira R.
04-12-2011, 01:31 PM
:(



..

Magnum Powers
05-20-2011, 01:07 PM
95mm Castings here:

XxSlowpokexX
05-20-2011, 02:55 PM
Oh shoot I need to send in payment :O)

Kurt K
05-20-2011, 09:04 PM
Oh shoot I need to send in payment :O)
I knew I wouldn't be the last :)

Mike8675309
05-20-2011, 09:13 PM
I've tried 3 times and the paypal thing dies with a contact blah blah blah blah each time. I'll try it with IE next time, maybe a browser glitch.

Good to see the castings.

IkeyM
06-10-2011, 07:08 PM
Will these work on a 94/95 MP Inlet Plenum?Is this still going on?

David Neibert
06-22-2011, 03:07 PM
Charles,

Are these getting close to completion/shipping ?

David

fturner
06-22-2011, 03:18 PM
Will these work on a 94/95 MP Inlet Plenum?Is this still going on?

The plenum, which also includes the MPX plenum, are not even big enough to support an 85mm TB, let alone the 95mm. No point in going that route.

Fraser

90coug
06-22-2011, 03:28 PM
The plenum, which also includes the MPX plenum, are not even big enough to support an 85mm TB, let alone the 95mm. No point in going that route.

Fraser

Could one port the MPX plenum to match the 95 or maybe even the 85mm?

****After reading this thread I see most people are doing some sort of fabrication to utilize the full potential of this throttle body.

David Neibert
06-22-2011, 03:48 PM
Could one port the MPX plenum to match the 95 or maybe even the 85mm?

****After reading this thread I see most people are doing some sort of fabrication to utilize the full potential of this throttle body.

All MP inlet plenums are already made to accept up to an 85mm TB, and yes they can be ported to accept the new 95mm TB.

David

90coug
06-22-2011, 03:51 PM
All MP inlet plenums are already made to accept up to an 85mm TB, and yes they can be ported to accept the new 95mm TB.

David

lol, so who's right, you or Fraser? I realize the plenums will accept an 85 so I can only assume that Fraser meant the plenum is a choking point after the 85MM?

BLOWN38
06-22-2011, 04:06 PM
lol, so who's right, you or Fraser? I realize the plenums will accept an 85 so I can only assume that Fraser meant the plenum is a choking point after the 85MM?

You are correct in your assumption.:)

90coug
06-22-2011, 04:23 PM
You are correct in your assumption.:)


Okay, thanks, just needed some clarity :p

Now I want to port out my MPX plenum to reap the full benefits of my 85mm :D

mywhite89
06-22-2011, 07:20 PM
Charles,

Are these getting close to completion/shipping ?

David

Ha, I just remembered I got in on this GP. Glad to see there is some progress happening. I was about to e-mail charles till I saw the castings.

Chris

fturner
06-22-2011, 08:14 PM
lol, so who's right, you or Fraser? I realize the plenums will accept an 85 so I can only assume that Fraser meant the plenum is a choking point after the 85MM?

The plenum is the choking point for the 85mm TB, and no porting is going to help that.

The MP plenum is suited airflow wise for the 94/95 style blower because the blower itself can't outflow that plenum in our rpm range, so its a good match that way with the 85mm.

The same plenum was used for the MPX setup with the blower end of it adapted to fit the MPX. The MPX easily outflows that plenum above 15% OD in our operating rpm range, and the MPX has room to easily run at higher OD. At 15% OD, the MPX made solid power all the way up to 6000rpm, but at 20% OD, the MPX fell off at around 5500 and my datalogs are showing that its running out of air at that point. At 25% OD, the MPX will fall over at around 5000 or so. With a larger plenum for the MPX, there is no reason that 20% OD could not give solid power all the way up to 6000. To me, 25% OD is not a good place for the MPX due to bearings etc if you want any kind of longevity with it.

Until something else comes out for the MPX (which will be next to never from what everyone says :( ), there is no point in going over the 85mm TB. Also to note, there is no way a 95mm will fit under a stock hood, my 85mm is already making an impression on the hood liner.

Fraser

Jason Wild
06-22-2011, 09:49 PM
I cant wate to get my 95mm TB should work well with my new set up im doing. I got some exhaust pipe with about the same bend as David got done up and only cost me 5$.

I hope there done soon

rzimmerl
06-23-2011, 07:46 AM
Also to note, there is no way a 95mm will fit under a stock hood, my 85mm is already making an impression on the hood liner.

Fraser

Eh, who needs a hood liner, mine got ditched for a little extra room for the AR:D. Some trimming of the hood core support may need to be done to make the 95mm fit with the 4" intake tube from just looking at it.

Mike8675309
06-23-2011, 10:37 AM
Eh, who needs a hood liner, mine got ditched for a little extra room for the AR:D. Some trimming of the hood core support may need to be done to make the 95mm fit with the 4" intake tube from just looking at it.

I'm thinking some reforming of the shock tower may also be helpful to line things up. Cut a section out and weld in a convex patch to allow the tube to pass by.

David Neibert
06-23-2011, 10:44 AM
lol, so who's right, you or Fraser? I realize the plenums will accept an 85 so I can only assume that Fraser meant the plenum is a choking point after the 85MM?

I was just answering the question of will it bolt on, and I agree that the plenum also needs more volume before the 95mm TB will be useful.

David

XxSlowpokexX
06-23-2011, 11:19 AM
well my 85 doesnt hit my hood..on the 94 at least

90coug
06-23-2011, 12:29 PM
The plenum is the choking point for the 85mm TB, and no porting is going to help that.

The MP plenum is suited airflow wise for the 94/95 style blower because the blower itself can't outflow that plenum in our rpm range, so its a good match that way with the 85mm.

The same plenum was used for the MPX setup with the blower end of it adapted to fit the MPX. The MPX easily outflows that plenum above 15% OD in our operating rpm range, and the MPX has room to easily run at higher OD. At 15% OD, the MPX made solid power all the way up to 6000rpm, but at 20% OD, the MPX fell off at around 5500 and my datalogs are showing that its running out of air at that point. At 25% OD, the MPX will fall over at around 5000 or so. With a larger plenum for the MPX, there is no reason that 20% OD could not give solid power all the way up to 6000. To me, 25% OD is not a good place for the MPX due to bearings etc if you want any kind of longevity with it.

Until something else comes out for the MPX (which will be next to never from what everyone says :( ), there is no point in going over the 85mm TB. Also to note, there is no way a 95mm will fit under a stock hood, my 85mm is already making an impression on the hood liner.

Fraser



Good stuff, thanks

Mike8675309
06-23-2011, 01:56 PM
Until something else comes out for the MPX (which will be next to never from what everyone says :( ), there is no point in going over the 85mm TB.


Do you feel that there is room for a large "enough" plenum without other modifications that would take this out of the realm of bolt on?



Also to note, there is no way a 95mm will fit under a stock hood, my 85mm is already making an impression on the hood liner.


And I also find a need to say....challenge...wait for it...wait for it...accepted.

shoalcracker
06-23-2011, 07:51 PM
Want some cheese to go with the whine.

I'm adding 4" to a Cevini to clear my goo.

Paul

David Neibert
06-24-2011, 05:32 PM
I got an email from Charles saying that the machining process was started yesterday and the TBs should be completed by the end of next week. If you ordered a polished one, add another week.

David

shoalcracker
06-24-2011, 09:22 PM
DN

Glad he got back to you personally.

I mentioned to him Wednesday that the heat was being turned up.

He's going in a number of directions right now and doing his best.

Paul

Magnum Powers
06-26-2011, 07:44 PM
Major setback today. We were machining the 95's and discovered there is an error on the pattern and none of the castings are usable. :( I will have to have the pattern modified and the castings remade. The good thing is the mod to the pattern is a fairly simple one so that should not take long and the foundry guy does not have a lot of work backlog at the moment so we should be able to get new castings quickly. - Charles

David Neibert
06-27-2011, 03:14 PM
Charles,

All things considered, how much of a delay are we talking about ? 4 weeks, 6 weeks, more ??

David

ricardoa1
06-27-2011, 03:26 PM
It will be ready the day after the shootout. :eek:

Magnum Powers
06-27-2011, 04:06 PM
Charles,

All things considered, how much of a delay are we talking about ? 4 weeks, 6 weeks, more ??

David

I picked up the pattern from the foundry last night (120 mile round trip) and made the changes this morning myself and will get it back to the foundry this evening. The foundryman has a few cores from the last batch left over, (don't know how many) but whatever the amount we will cast up that number of TB and continue. So I am hoping I'll have more castings by the end of this week so we can continue machining.

David Neibert
06-27-2011, 04:38 PM
I picked up the pattern from the foundry last night (120 mile round trip) and made the changes this morning myself and will get it back to the foundry this evening. The foundryman has a few cores from the last batch left over, (don't know how many) but whatever the amount we will cast up that number of TB and continue. So I am hoping I'll have more castings by the end of this week so we can continue machining.

Wow ! That is really quick.

Thanks, David

Magnum Powers
06-27-2011, 09:39 PM
Pattern back at foundry, now waiting for the new castings.

David Neibert
07-07-2011, 01:58 PM
I got an update from Charles today, advising that he is currently machining some new sample castings. Charles also provided an updated drawing for the flange end of the new 95mm TB that may be useful for anyone who is making a new throttle mounting plate or building their own inlet plenum.

David

Note: This revised flange drawing replaces the one shown on post 171 of this thread.

BLOWN38
07-07-2011, 03:24 PM
Are we looking at drilling new holes to mount this thing? Or was someone smoking something when they made the first drawing?:D Or maybe even this drawing?:confused:

Just checked my MP inlet and the new numbers look good.:)

Ira R.
07-07-2011, 04:38 PM
Wait a second now. Confusion has just set in. Are we going to have to drill new holes to attach the TB??

Ira

David Neibert
07-07-2011, 04:52 PM
Are we looking at drilling new holes to mount this thing? Or was someone smoking something when they made the first drawing?:D Or maybe even this drawing?:confused:

Just checked my MP inlet and the new numbers look good.:)

No new holes required, bolt pattern is the same as the 85mm TB.

Charles said he accidently grabbed the wrong 85mm TB drawing (early version) when he started drawing the 95mm, and found the errors when doing some of the initial machining on the first batch of castings. I didn't bother to compare the two drawings to see what changed.

David

BLOWN38
07-07-2011, 04:56 PM
No new holes required, bolt pattern is the same as the 85mm TB.

Charles said he accidently grabbed the wrong 85mm TB drawing (early version) when he started drawing the 95mm, and found the errors when doing some of the initial machining on the first batch of castings. I didn't bother to compare the two drawings to see what changed.

David

If you look at it its a pretty big difference. But the new looks good!:) No worries Ira.

Dacosta84
07-07-2011, 06:50 PM
Well I did just get another 95, that 90mm sounds pretty good, but I am also gonna need whatever parts else I need to fit the 3.5 intake along with MAF sensor. I've been meaning to call seeing as how first mod I do will be the intake back....

David Neibert
07-08-2011, 12:13 PM
Well I did just get another 95, that 90mm sounds pretty good, but I am also gonna need whatever parts else I need to fit the 3.5 intake along with MAF sensor. I've been meaning to call seeing as how first mod I do will be the intake back....

It's a 95mm TB that's being made and it will work best with a 4" intake pipe.

David

Toms-SC
07-18-2011, 05:46 PM
Hey all,

If you missed out and want in you can buy me out of my $200 deposit. I no longer need this part for the direction I'm going in. Send me a message to work out details.

nickleman60
07-30-2011, 10:30 AM
Charles,
Where are we at on completion and delivery of these? Not that I need it right now because I'm still running the MPx but I would still like to know.

rzimmerl
08-04-2011, 09:21 AM
Is it too late to change to get a polished version instead, as in can I just send in payment for the polished version?

David Neibert
08-08-2011, 12:01 PM
Spoke to Charles on Thursday to check the progress of the new throttle body. His computer crashed and he doesn't have the ability to post here, send or receive emails or to retrieve the drawings for machining the TBs. He was hoping to get it straightened out over the weekend, but I haven't heard back from him yet. I'll let you know when I hear from him.

David

David Neibert
08-08-2011, 12:03 PM
Is it too late to change to get a polished version instead, as in can I just send in payment for the polished version?

I'm sure that won't be a problem. Just need to wait until his computer is fixed and he's back online.

David

Toms-SC
08-08-2011, 03:34 PM
My unit is still available if somebody wants to buy me out.

Sold.

David Neibert
09-02-2011, 01:05 PM
Latest info from Charles Warner on the progress of the 95mm TBs. Charles also plans to send me a photo that I'll post later.




Hi Dave:

We received 30 new castings with error fixed, look good. Mods to fixtures made and production run has started.
Ten casting have been through the first setup and one has been through all 4 steps without any new changes to software, look good. I am bringing in extra help Monday to hopefully machine all 30 castings. Shafts are next.

Charles


David

rzimmerl
09-02-2011, 01:09 PM
Can you ask him about the final payment, the icon has been taken of MP's website for quite a few weeks now.

David Neibert
09-02-2011, 01:19 PM
Can you ask him about the final payment, the icon has been taken of MP's website for quite a few weeks now.

Ryan,

It would probably be better to email Charles directly with questions about final payment or upgrading to a polished version.

charles_warner@mindspring.com

David

{edit} Ryan...I did mention the need for final payment links (standard & polished) on my last email to Charles.

David Neibert
09-02-2011, 03:47 PM
Here are the 95mm TB pictures I mentioned earlier.

David

Jason Wild
09-02-2011, 05:04 PM
looking good can not wate to get them.

rzimmerl
09-03-2011, 10:00 AM
Thanks David, those pictures make me wanna go out pull the AR off and port the TB opening now.

David Neibert
09-03-2011, 11:26 AM
Thanks David, those pictures make me wanna go out pull the AR off and port the TB opening now.

Ryan,

While porting mine when we were doing the 4" intake it bacame apparent that the throttle body mounting flange was going to have to be made about 1/2" taller (1/4" top & bottom) to have enough material left over to get a good seal on the top and bottom of the 95mm TB. Charles also confirmed that the new 95mm TB does indeed have a taller mounting flange, but the hole pattern remains the same. See this pic for my existing TB flange ported to same ID as the 4" intake pipe, except for top and bottom.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=49669&d=1313727755

Since I'm not really eager to pull the inlet plenum and rework the TB flange, I"ve got an idea for an adaptor plate that overlaps the top and bottom of the existing flange for increased sealing surface. Using it will also require slotting the throttle and TV cable mounting bracket holes to maintain the same distance from the mount to TB linkage after installing the adaptor plate.

Once I get it done, I'll post a drawing on the adaptor plate.

David

Mike8675309
09-03-2011, 01:02 PM
David,

With all the work you have been doing, have you considered, or discarded the idea of reworking the intake plenum to increase it's volume?

rzimmerl
09-04-2011, 01:08 AM
David,

Thanks for the heads up on the spacing. If there is a just a small amount of surface to seal, wouldn't a small bead of silicone behind fill the area to prevent a vacuum leak.

rzimmerl
09-04-2011, 01:11 AM
David,

With all the work you have been doing, have you considered, or discarded the idea of reworking the intake plenum to increase it's volume?

Mike,

Mine and David's intake plenum were made from 4" tube, it would take a quite a bit more work to get anything larger back there. There is quite a bit of clever modifcations done just to get the 4" inlet to fit.

David Neibert
09-04-2011, 09:41 AM
David,

With all the work you have been doing, have you considered, or discarded the idea of reworking the intake plenum to increase it's volume?

Mike,

(sorry Ryan didn't see your response) It was built by Dave Dalke with the intention of using a larger diameter throttle body, and shouldn't be a restriction at the power levels I'm looking for. The plenum on this blower has about twice the volume I had on the 1.7 AR and several trick things were done on the inlet and return plunums to get as much volume and flow as possible. It's actually big enough to put my hand/arm in and touch the rotors at the blower inlet.

David

David Neibert
09-04-2011, 09:47 AM
David,

Thanks for the heads up on the spacing. If there is a just a small amount of surface to seal, wouldn't a small bead of silicone behind fill the area to prevent a vacuum leak.

Ryan,

Since this area will only see vacuum, that might be enough surface to seal it. I'd just feel a little better with more surface area. Once I get the new TB in hand I'll do some test fitting to determine exactly how much sealing flange I'll have left over and go from there.

I may just seal it with whatever is left of the flange (aprox 1/8" wide) and see if it holds. If it doesn't, then I can go to plan B with the adaptor plate.

David

David Neibert
09-14-2011, 12:38 PM
For those people who have not yet made the final payment on these new Magnum Powers 95MM TBs or who wish to change from a standard to a polished finish, you need to contact Charles Warner directly ASAP to make the payment arrangments.

http://www.magnumpowers.com/

I believe that these are now very close to completion and should be ready to ship within the next week or two.

David

Ira R.
09-14-2011, 01:49 PM
Cool. Door prizes for the Shoot Out :D

Ira

Kurt K
09-14-2011, 02:12 PM
For those people who have not yet made the final payment on these new Magnum Powers 95MM TBs or who wish to change from a standard to a polished finish, you need to contact Charles Warner directly ASAP to make the payment arrangments.

http://www.magnumpowers.com/

I believe that these are now very close to completion and should be ready to ship within the next week or two.

David
Lucky for me, I already made the final payment for the polished version a while ago.

XR7 Dave
09-14-2011, 03:18 PM
Cool. Door prizes for the Shoot Out :D

Ira

You putting yours up for a door prize? :eek:

ricardoa1
09-14-2011, 03:27 PM
It will be ready the day after the shootout. :eek:



Oh boy I wished I played the lotto. I still have a chance at hitting this prediction.

rzimmerl
09-14-2011, 04:43 PM
Just spoke with Charles the website is updated with the final payment.

http://www.magnumpowers.com/thunder_pro_pri.php

Bad news is they are no longer offering the polishing service since he's been getting the run around from his polisher.