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91BLOWNBIRD
11-26-2010, 05:09 PM
So I got to have fun with a new 5.0 today...we were probably around the same weight as he had 1 xtra person in his car...

We were on the freeway and I never got side to side with him but twice he took off and when I down shifted to 3rd he barely pulled on me.

Wasnt sure if he was stick or auto but I am not sure that would really matter because those thing have a 6-speed auto. But the auto does have a double OD...

Luckily its a holiday weekend and not too many CHP were out :D

92sclikenew
11-26-2010, 06:49 PM
So I got to have fun with a new 5.0 today...we were probably around the same weight as he had 1 xtra person in his car...

We were on the freeway and I never got side to side with him but twice he took off and when I down shifted to 3rd he barely pulled on me.

Wasnt sure if he was stick or auto but I am not sure that would really matter because those thing have a 6-speed auto. But the auto does have a double OD...

Luckily its a holiday weekend and not too many CHP were out :D

any mods on your car?

i been wondering if i could beat one my self..:rolleyes:

91BLOWNBIRD
11-26-2010, 08:51 PM
stock gearing as well

Engine
Modifications:
7" K&N Conical Filter
Custom Cold Air Divider
C&L 76mm MAF w/ 3.5"-3" Reducing Hose
MP 3.5" Intake Tube
MP 85mm TB
MPX Inlet Plenum
MPX Blower W/ Coated Rotors 17PSI
MP 10% Jackshaft Pulley
MP 5% 10 Rib SC Pulley
MP Raised SC Top
KW Bare Core DIC W/ 8" 2100cfm IC Fan
Aluminum Alternator & Waterpump Pulleys (stock ratios)
MP Heavy Duty Tensioner Springs
Aluminum Accessory Tensioner
Grifin Super High Capacity Aluminum Radiator
Custom A/C Delete
BHJ Harmonic Balancer
1.8 Roller Rockers
Comp XE Custom Grind Cam .567/.567Lift, 212/[email protected], 110 LS
Ported Heads by Gromm Racing w/ Hardened Valves 1.8 int. 1.5 exh.
Comp Elliptical Beehive Springs
All Fel-Pro Gaskets(MLS Head Gaskets)
Block Prep & Build by Gromm Racing
ARP Head/Main/Rod Studs
Wiseco .020 Over Forged Pistons From Dave Dalke Machined By Gromm
351W Cat H-Beam Rods From Dave Dalke Touched Up by Gromm Racing
Oil System Reworked by Gromm Racing
Kooks Mid-Length Headers
High Flow Cats
Magnaflow Dual 2.5" In/Out Muffler in Place of Resonator
Dual 2.5" Pipes Through Gas Tank & Exit Centered Through Bumper
255lph Fuel Pump
60lb Fuel Injectors
MN12 Fuel Pressure Regulator
180* Thermostat
SCT Chip W/ Switch Tuned By Dave Dalke(SCU)
Solid Ruber Motor Mounts

Drivetrain
Modifications:
Spec 21lb Steel Flywheel
CenterForce DF Clutch
B&M Short Throw Shifter
2 1/4" Chrome Shift Ball
Chrome Pedals
SCP DynoTech 3.5" Aluminum Driveshaft
Auburn Pro Diff W/ 3.08s & Aluminum Casing

Suspension
Modifications:
18x9" Chrome Bullit Rims
245 Front Tires & 275 Rear Tires
13" Front Slotted Rotors W/ Cobra Anny Dual Piston Calipers
Moog Front Upper Control Arms
Addco Front 1 3/8" Sway Bar W/ New End Links
Addco Rear 1 3/8" Sway Bar W/ Shortened End Links
Eibach Springs with Rear Isolator Cups
Tokico Illumina II Shocks

Cosmetic
Modifications:
Original Interior
Xenon Spoiler
Window Tint
SUPERCHARGED Chrome Badge
SS Inserts
Black Painted Supercharger & Piping
Chrome License Plate Frame
"JEFFS SC" Custom California License Plate
Late Model Gas Tank
Lotek Triple Guage Pod
Auto Meter Sport Comp Oil Pressure Gauge
Auto Meter Sport Comp Cylinder Head Temp Guage
Auto Meter Sport Comp 30PSI Boost/Vacuum Gauge
Glowshift Triple Dash Pod
Auto Meter Sport Comp Volt Meter Guage
Auto Meter Sport Comp Fuel Pressure Gauge
Auto Meter Sport Comp Wideband A/F Guage
AutoPage Alarm System

frdlvr30
11-26-2010, 11:56 PM
So your car is stock then? :)

Brad2296
11-27-2010, 12:25 AM
Thats Ford's "cool" package. It came on 91's only.

decipha
11-27-2010, 12:50 AM
not too shabby they run 12.6s from the factory

i pulled about 8 car lengths on one weekend before last in a customers car, i was testing it on the hwy after tuning it and the client told me to give him a sample just to make him stop messing with us, needless to say he slowed down lol ;)

91BLOWNBIRD
11-27-2010, 01:55 AM
yeah thunderbird SC H.O. factory lol they just forgot to install the auburn pro diff with 3.08 gears ;)

problem here in California is that I only have 91 octane or 100 octane and I dont want to spend that much on gas so I am limited to like 17psi with 91

not sure the max hp in an SC with 91 octane on a 3.8 with a MPx blower and no alchy injection...would love 350rwhp

might just have to call Dave for an alchy inj setup and throw on my 25% OD and retune :rolleyes:

92sclikenew
11-27-2010, 07:27 AM
nice mod list.. im kind of close in mods..:rolleyes:

nickleman60
11-27-2010, 07:57 AM
I don't know about on the street but it's nice to know at the track that if a new Mustang 5.0, Corvette Z06 or any other car lines up next to me without mods that they're getting ready to get their azz handed to them big time.......;)

Roadhawg
11-27-2010, 08:09 AM
I think the 5.0 went easy on you.......................

nickleman60
11-27-2010, 08:34 AM
I think the 5.0 went easy on you.......................

Did you not read the part that says......no mods?



Sorry Todd, I thought you were responding to my thread......:o

92sclikenew
11-27-2010, 08:40 AM
I don't know about on the street but it's nice to know at the track that if a new Mustang 5.0, Corvette Z06 or any other car lines up next to me without mods that they're getting ready to get their azz handed to them big time.......;)

do you even drive that car on the street anymore?

90blkbrd
11-27-2010, 08:46 AM
Did you not read the part that says......no mods?

Have you driven a 5.0? I did and all I can say is...WOW!!! I personally think he was being toyed with by the 5.0. With the 300-500 weight disadvantage I don't think 350 rwhp is enough.

nickleman60
11-27-2010, 09:12 AM
Have you driven a 5.0? I did and all I can say is...WOW!!! I personally think he was being toyed with by the 5.0. With the 300-500 weight disadvantage I don't think 350 rwhp is enough.

No I haven't driven one. I do know that they're at best a 13.0 car stock on street tires, tweak the computer and they can be in the 12's. Maybe it was just playing with him, who knows. All I do know is that if one pulls up next to me he toast......;)

Roadhawg
11-27-2010, 09:25 AM
No I haven't driven one. I do know that they're at best a 13.0 car stock on street tires, tweak the computer and they can be in the 12's. Maybe it was just playing with him, who knows. All I do know is that if one pulls up next to me he toast......;)

Maybe you missed that Black 2011 Gt, with 1200 miles on it at VMP.
All it had was a tune with bolt-ons; a CAI, an off road x-pipe, lower control arms and a 100 nitrous shot.
It ran 11.43 and I'm sure with a with more seat time he would of done better.

fturner
11-27-2010, 09:35 AM
yeah thunderbird SC H.O. factory lol they just forgot to install the auburn pro diff with 3.08 gears ;)

problem here in California is that I only have 91 octane or 100 octane and I dont want to spend that much on gas so I am limited to like 17psi with 91

not sure the max hp in an SC with 91 octane on a 3.8 with a MPx blower and no alchy injection...would love 350rwhp

might just have to call Dave for an alchy inj setup and throw on my 25% OD and retune :rolleyes:

You wanna run with a 5.0 thats been tweaked then you need to forget about the 25% OD, go 15% and rev your motor higher. The MPX will fall on its face at about 5200 or so at 25% OD... at 15% OD you can go to 6200 before it falls over. Its not the blower's fault, its just simply outflowing the inlet plenum.

Fraser

nickleman60
11-27-2010, 09:50 AM
Maybe you missed that Black 2011 Gt, with 1200 miles on it at VMP.
All it had was a tune with bolt-ons; a CAI, an off road x-pipe, lower control arms and a 100 nitrous shot.
It ran 11.43 and I'm sure with a with more seat time he would of done better.

Todd, I know with enough mods that they'll be way faster than me. My point is if a stock one pulls up next to me or you and thinks he going to walk the dog, he has another thing coming to him.

XR7 Dave
11-27-2010, 10:01 AM
If a car has 50hp on you, all he will do is pull very slightly. You aren't going to get annihilated unless he's got 100-150rwhp on you. I've seen stock 5.0's run 13's.

neverfastenough
11-27-2010, 10:46 AM
Why cant I find anyone to play with, I dont even have the intimidating blower whine anymore.

fturner
11-27-2010, 10:49 AM
Why cant I find anyone to play with, I dont even have the intimidating blower whine anymore.

Thats ok, I get offers to race, but I'm too dense to realize it :)... ask Dave.

Fraser

neverfastenough
11-27-2010, 10:50 AM
Thats ok, I get offers to race, but I'm too dense to realize it :)... ask Dave.

Fraser

Its not ok:p, I didnt spend all this money just to get to campus faster:rolleyes:

David Neibert
11-27-2010, 11:29 AM
Its not ok:p, I didnt spend all this money just to get to campus faster:rolleyes:

It's those baller 18" Cobra Rs scaring everyone off...you should sell them to me and get something a little less racey. Seriously, if you want people to race you, just bolt a Cobra R hood on the car and don't paint it.

David

Roadhawg
11-27-2010, 11:42 AM
I've seen stock 5.0's run 13's.

That is all driver induced

91BLOWNBIRD
11-27-2010, 12:14 PM
just to set things straight here he was not toying with me at 130mph :eek:

and Dave's right he probably has about 50rwhp more than me but like I said weight was probably close cause he had 2 passengers and I only had 1...they are curb at 3620lbs and Sc is 3750

also I am running 15%OD MPx right now and it seems my engine can rev easily to 6000rpm

ganuolfthegrey
11-27-2010, 01:21 PM
mustang and fast ford's got 12.2's out of it stock with just slicks.

XR7 Dave
11-27-2010, 01:31 PM
mustang and fast ford's got 12.2's out of it stock with just slicks.

Yes, and I could probably get 12.6's out of his SC as it sits. In a 1/4 mile that is about 2 car lengths which, any error on 5.0's part and he would lose. The point is that on the internet 50rwhp seems like a lot, but in real life 50rwhp doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot, especially when average HP is much closer. :)

neverfastenough
11-27-2010, 03:03 PM
It's those baller 18" Cobra Rs scaring everyone off...you should sell them to me and get something a little less racey. Seriously, if you want people to race you, just bolt a Cobra R hood on the car and don't paint it.

David

If Brad ever makes 19in cobra r's, you'll get first dibs on my 18's, they're minty too

91BLOWNBIRD
11-27-2010, 08:19 PM
Yes, and I could probably get 12.6's out of his SC as it sits. In a 1/4 mile that is about 2 car lengths which, any error on 5.0's part and he would lose. The point is that on the internet 50rwhp seems like a lot, but in real life 50rwhp doesn't necessarily mean a whole lot, especially when average HP is much closer. :)

I like this...12.6? please tell me you are talking about my SC :cool: on the drag strip I would like to hit at least 110mph in the 1/4

also going back to my redline...you think 6k is okay? it seems like it is okay up there.

Wolfswrath
12-02-2010, 09:11 AM
Damn! I have a 1991 SC and it doesn't have "The Cool Package" Mine has the old man on Viagra package at best...HA! My friends girl has a 05 gt in stock dress 'stick shift' with the traction control off I can get her off the line.. with it on we pull together until her second then I fall away....

I never get anyone wanting to test my SC....It looks stock w/tint.

When I get my "Cool package" I think I will be putting the test to others....how could anyone not???

91BLOWNBIRD
12-02-2010, 01:34 PM
i get the "grandpa factor" a lot...like guys say yeah I think my grandpa drives one of those

I just pop the hood or drop the hammer and they get the point...but now there are some v8s in my area that know there is a white grandpa SC out there that doesnt F*** around ;)

bgck7
12-08-2010, 04:58 PM
bummer would like to seen that!!:D

92sclikenew
12-08-2010, 08:24 PM
I just pop the hood or drop the hammer and they get the point...but now there are some v8s in my area that know there is a white grandpa SC out there that doesnt F*** around ;)

i like that line.. some people around me know about a low blue SC with black rims.. :D

91BLOWNBIRD
12-08-2010, 09:47 PM
nice...

yeah I was driving so I couldnt get my phone out and video it...woulda been nice though

in another post I mention a 96 cobra kill who was very surprised and a charger srt8 that was basically the same as this new 5.0, but neither of them I got to go side by side and drop to 3rd gear...could have ended differently

1MTNCAT
12-09-2010, 09:56 AM
nice...

yeah I was driving so I couldnt get my phone out and video it...woulda been nice though

in another post I mention a 96 cobra kill who was very surprised and a charger srt8 that was basically the same as this new 5.0, but neither of them I got to go side by side and drop to 3rd gear...could have ended differently

OK, 96 Cobra aint all that and neither is the Charger SRT 8's. Both run around mid 13.'s at best in street trim (Give or take a tenth or two depending on track and conditions). I've been wallopping cobra's for years with a stock V8 at the track not the street. I have also beat them on the track on street tires!

I've already seen a stock 5.0 Mustang (Jeff on our MAMN12 Forum) run a 13.1on street tires on the track and 12.7's on just drag radials with very little traction at nearly 108 MPH. And in warm weather. 0 mods and 0 tune. Off the dealers lot.

As far as the weight goes most SC's are between 3800-4100 or so. MY V8 car with skinnies and drag tires is right at 3750 and about 100 lbs more in street trim. The new mustangs are no where near 3600 lbs but more like almost 4000lbs. With a passenger it may have been close or more than your car's weight.

Just want to put things in the proper perspective. Don't know what your car can run in a 1/4 mile and neither do you till you can get it on a track. Thats a fact.

:)

91BLOWNBIRD
12-09-2010, 11:37 AM
Just to clarify...a 96 cobra runs 14s in the 1/4 maybe 13.9 and with the 5.0 and the SRT8 runing 13 or better I can see that my car should be in the low 13 range. That is what I am looking at.

1MTNCAT
12-09-2010, 11:55 AM
Just to clarify...a 96 cobra runs 14s in the 1/4 maybe 13.9 and with the 5.0 and the SRT8 runing 13 or better I can see that my car should be in the low 13 range. That is what I am looking at.

You've obviously not been to many race tracks then and count on magazine data for times.

I count on time slips, runs verifed by my eyes and video if we have it.

Put your car on the track and see what it runs! Easy enough.

91BLOWNBIRD
12-09-2010, 01:28 PM
I'm not really sure what you are getting at? all I am doing is comparing my car to a few cars that I have met on the street and making a generalization of where my car stands...I am not saying I will run 12s or 13s but I am saying that my car spanked on a 96 on the street and faired very well against the horsepower of an SRT8 and a new 5.0...Dave says with some good slicks and the right driving ability I could be mid 12s...not even really sure why you chimed in...:confused:

you basically said 96 cobra is crap (i agree, and they run around 14sec 1/4), you said SRT8 runs about 13sec 1/4 and is nothing special (i agree) and you said stock new 5.0s can run upper 12s in the 1/4 (again, I agree)...I am saying I know my SC is faster than a pretty much stock 96 cobra and runs with SRT8s and new 5.0s :eek:

I dont need the track to figure that out...hopefully someday I can run the 1/4 with slicks, but for now this is where I stand...next thing I do will be to dyno it...and I have other more important things to do before I hit the track

anything else?

Superloop
12-09-2010, 03:58 PM
I'm not really sure what you are getting at? all I am doing is comparing my car to a few cars that I have met on the street and making a generalization of where my car stands...I am not saying I will run 12s or 13s but I am saying that my car spanked on a 96 on the street and faired very well against the horsepower of an SRT8 and a new 5.0...Dave says with some good slicks and the right driving ability I could be mid 12s...not even really sure why you chimed in...:confused:

you basically said 96 cobra is crap (i agree, and they run around 14sec 1/4), you said SRT8 runs about 13sec 1/4 and is nothing special (i agree) and you said stock new 5.0s can run upper 12s in the 1/4 (again, I agree)...I am saying I know my SC is faster than a pretty much stock 96 cobra and runs with SRT8s and new 5.0s :eek:

I dont need the track to figure that out...hopefully someday I can run the 1/4 with slicks, but for now this is where I stand...next thing I do will be to dyno it...and I have other more important things to do before I hit the track

anything else?

YEAH......car looks nice:cool: and with all those mods I bet is fast:D nice job

1MTNCAT
12-09-2010, 08:32 PM
I chimed in because to have a real race on the street is almost impossible.

The other party could have let out of it, decided not to run it all out, you don't know what else. On the track its a full on go from the light to the stripe.

I'm not saying anything bad about your car, what it runs or its set up. But I've heard it all before for years about how I have this mod of those mods and the car will run this and when they are OFF the street and on the track its a whole new number. Mostly disappointment.

You are also comparing apples to oranges. Stock cars versus a fairly heavily modified Supercoupe. I'd hope at that point it would stay somewhere close to a stock mustang or SRT 8. BTW a stock SRT 8 weighs about the same or more than a SC as does the new Mustang GT's. Again, those were stock, you are not.

Sounds like you have a really nice car. I'd just like to see numbers both dyno and track. Leave the street racing to the ones that like to go to jail and put yours on the track. ;)

91BLOWNBIRD
12-10-2010, 12:36 AM
I totally understand where you are coming from...the track is there for a reason, but it is not like it is organized street racing...it is spur of the moment and it is not like I dont open her up even when there arent other cars that want to race...but it would be horrible if someone got hurt or gets cuaght and all the work in this car goes to waste.

90blkbrd
12-10-2010, 10:44 AM
disclaimer: I'm not saying your car is fast or slow I'm saying your methods of deciding you fast your car is flawed.

So I guess over on the Camry forums my coworker is telling everyone that his 4 cylinder Camry can hang with a 350 rwhp Super Coupe. :eek:

We merged onto the highway together I went to 5th at 60 when I realized he was under full throttle. So I put the pedal down and left it in 5th and stayed on his bumper until he backed off at 90.

Cliff notes: You don't know how hard the 5.0 or SRT-8 was being pushed when you raced it. They could have been playing with you.

91BLOWNBIRD
12-10-2010, 02:54 PM
i'll just have to roll down my window and ask them next time if the went all out lol

Ddubb
12-10-2010, 04:52 PM
Sounds like somebody got beat by a Camry.

I havent lost a race in the last 20 or so, granted they have been mostly, Nissans, SUV's, etc .. but still, a contest is a contest and they underestimate the power of a 15 year old supercharged sleeper when they try to "pass" somebody in a merging lane and just totally get blown away. You can usually tell the person next to you is Racing if you can hear their engine getting their RPM's up.

... last night a Dodge Challenger was hot rodding past by house, I heard the car go up the street 2 times, tried to do a Donut and then BAM ... blew a hole in his tire. It was funny, he stopped by afterwards so I could help change his tire. Apparently, doing donuts can blow out the Power steering also. :cool:


- Dan

91BLOWNBIRD
12-10-2010, 05:01 PM
lol yeah been there before...4 ppl in my old auto SC in the rain and blew out my high pressure PS hose...

with the SRT8 and the new 5.0 I find it hard to believe they were holding back when we were reaching speeds of 120-130mph...

but next time I'll make sure to ask lol ;)

MustangJake88
12-23-2010, 08:41 AM
Why cant I find anyone to play with, I dont even have the intimidating blower whine anymore.
Haha, don't feel bad man. I had my '89 for a decent amount of time. Not one person tried racing me. My '92 2.3 Mustang had more attention than my SC did. But hey, at least cops didn't follow me around in the 'Bird.