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ricardoa1
12-23-2010, 01:04 PM
Tremec put out some new aftermarket trannies for ford and GM..
They are rated for 700lbs. They are called T-56 Magnums. But I cannot find the spec sheets for them for size or shifter location. Im wondering if the GM could work for our cars by changing the bell housing. They are steep at $2700 but maybe they could be something that can be had to build a kit or something..

ricardoa1
12-23-2010, 01:40 PM
But wait there might be something even better comming I cannot find the part number for it maybe its not out yet....


TREMEC is releasing a new
addition to the T-56 Magnum
line-up designed exclusively
for 2005-up Ford Mustangs!
Unofficially dubbed as the
the ‘S197 Magnum’, the new
6-speed model will feature a
‘direct-shift’ extension housing designed to eliminate the notoriously unpopular semi-remote
factory shifter. Additionally, a slip yoke style interface will also make it easy to ditch the
equally unpopular 2-piece driveshaft in favor of a more robust 1-piece arrangement.
As with all Magnum 6-speeds, TREMEC aims to put a 700 lb-ft. ‘seal of approval’ on the new
Mustang units, and will eventually offer them with both Magnum ratio packages to suit a variety
of street and performance driving scenarios. For full details stay tuned to TREMEC.COM - The official site of Tremec Transmissions.!


TREMEC® UNVEILS NEW ‘DIRECT SHIFT’ 6-SPEED



FOR S197 MUSTANG APPLICATIONS


Plymouth, Michigan- Coming in the summer of 2010, the leader in manual transmission technology, TREMEC®, is set to release a brand new high performance 6-speed aimed specifically at the 2005-up Ford Mustang market. The T-56 MagnumTM for S197 Mustang applications represents a long awaited solution to the semi-remote shifters woes that are now prevalent in late-model performance vehicles—while offering all the high performance benefits TREMEC’s Magnum line-up is so well known for!

Designed primarily around the S197 Mustang chassis, TREMEC’s new Magnum model achieves what previously only numb and inaccurate semi-remote shifters could; giving 05-up Ford Mustang enthusiasts perfect in-cabin ergonomics along with all the performance benefits of a direct shift gearbox. Additionally, TREMEC’s new ‘S197 Magnum’ features a slip yoke interface for use with a 1-piece driveshaft, adds the ability to adapt to a ‘blow-proof’ bellhousing, and the eliminates the skip-shift feature slated to arrive in 2011 models of the Mustang GT.

As an aftermarket variant of the same transmission used in all Shelby GT500’s, this brute performance 6-speed offers incredibly precise, short and crisp shifts along with a generous 700-lb ft. of torque capacity for the ultimate street performance setups. TREMEC is even offering the new S197 Magnum with two unique sets of gear ratios for a truly custom tailored ownership experience. Add to that TREMEC’s existing line of T-56 Magnums for Modular engine applications, and TREMEC has nearly any Modular-powered install that enthusiasts can dream up covered!



OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

Maybe almost bolt on.

DLF
12-23-2010, 02:05 PM
http://www.ddperformance.com/magnum.html

ricardoa1
12-23-2010, 02:14 PM
I saw that but no specs and I dont think the S197 version is on that list...From info on othe forums it looks like it has a summer of 2011 release.

But an integrated shifter that is at near the stock location is great, currently the external shifters need a bracket at the tunnel to be able to mount the shifter and not have it dangle. And and if they get rid of the two piece driveshaft requirement then thats even better. All that is huge in my book.

Then you are just a bell housing, slave and Xmember away from bolting it on.

DLF
12-23-2010, 02:24 PM
There's some info and a pic (page 15) in this:

http://www.ttcautomotive.com/english/onlineorder/pdf/TRMC_R3_0210_198.pdf

ricardoa1
12-23-2010, 02:38 PM
I see looks like it just measures the same as production cars from the 2000s, but I dont think the measuring specs apply to the s197 thanks for the info. I think this will be great when it comes out.

I cut out the picture of the S197 transmission.

They will offer two gear sets, what do you guys think would be best for our cars and what rear end gears to put behind it. For best 1/4mile and street performance.

2.66 1.78 1.30 1.00 .80 .63 2.90 Rear end 3.73?
2.97 2.10 1.46 1.00 .74 .50 2.90 Rear end 3.55?

http://i68.photobucket.com/albums/i10/ricardoa1/Tremec.jpg

91BLOWNBIRD
12-23-2010, 02:49 PM
I like the 2.66 with 3.73s I love bolt up mods...hopefully a 6 speed bolt up or practically bolt up would be awesome...even for $3k

DLF
12-23-2010, 02:57 PM
The wide-ratio set (2.97) with 3.55's or 3.73's will give better acceleration in the first three gears than the close-ratio set (2.66) with 3.73's or 4.10's, while providing much lower cruising ratios in 5th and 6th.

Gear Rear Overall

2.97 3.55 10.54
2.10 3.55 7.46
1.46 3.55 5.18
1.00 3.55 3.55
0.74 3.55 2.63
0.50 3.55 1.78

~ 1,900 RPM's @ 80 MPH in 6th

2.97 3.73 11.08
2.10 3.73 7.83
1.46 3.73 5.45
1.00 3.73 3.73
0.74 3.73 2.76
0.50 3.73 1.87

~ 2,000 RPM's @ 80 MPH in 6th

2.66 3.73 9.92
1.78 3.73 6.64
1.30 3.73 4.85
1.00 3.73 3.73
0.80 3.73 2.98
0.63 3.73 2.35

~ 2,500 RPM's @ 80 MPH in 6th

2.66 4.10 10.91
1.78 4.10 7.30
1.30 4.10 5.33
1.00 4.10 4.10
0.80 4.10 3.28
0.63 4.10 2.58

~ 2,800 RPM's @ 80 MPH in 6th

ricardoa1
12-23-2010, 03:26 PM
4.11s might be a little too much for my taste.

The wide ratio might actually hold even more torque then the other. But they are both rated the same.

This will end all of the manual excuses for the 5spd guys..LOL 2012 watchout Autos.....:eek:

Casey want to make two of everthing I know you will need one for sure. :rolleyes:









The wide-ratio set (2.97) with 3.55's or 3.73's will give better acceleration in the first three gears than the close-ratio set (2.66) with 3.73's or 4.10's, while providing much lower cruising ratios in 5th and 6th.

EvilMooseofDoom
12-23-2010, 04:12 PM
The bigger question, for me, is will the rest of the car live behind the transmission?

BLOWN38
12-23-2010, 04:12 PM
[QUOTE=ricardoa1;922613]

This will end all of the manual excuses for the 5spd guys..LOL 2012 watchout Autos.....:eek: QUOTE]

Think I've heard this before.:rolleyes::p

ironworker
12-23-2010, 04:21 PM
i watched the sema show and TREMEC said that they can make a bolt on bell housing for any car they just need the spec and they will bolt it up to the trans u want.... i will be getting one from them in the next year or so.. after i break in the new motor then i will be buying one..

XxSlowpokexX
12-23-2010, 05:01 PM
A 6 speed is the last thing I ever want to do to my car....So after all else is done...I like this...Making a SBF bellhousing Im sure isnt an issue for them if they dont already have one that will fit

ricardoa1
12-23-2010, 05:27 PM
A 6 speed is the last thing I ever want to do to my car....So after all else is done...I like this...Making a SBF bellhousing Im sure isnt an issue for them if they dont already have one that will fit


Or when you snap another input shaft..But I guess you got some time and since you probably will never mount slicks on your car and go to a track i think you will have plenty of time before one. :p


They have a SBF bellhousing it is just that its calling for a mechanical clutch, if they include a SBF bellhousing and a hydro slave kit and clutch in their development can you only imagine! Just put a clutch line to it and make a Xmember and you are on your way to the track by the following weekend.... Dreams :rolleyes:
They sell the Yoke that fits and updates the ujoints, then a cobra rear Yoke and a 04-03 cobra diff flange, with a custom lengh driveshaft might be all that is needed. The trans is pretty long so maybe a stock cobra shaft will slide right in....Id have to see the specs sheet for the trans though then we can speculate what off the shelf driveshaft will work. I actually have a cobra driveshaft in my basement. :)

talonhead
12-23-2010, 09:45 PM
I was doing some research over at LS1 tech and a guy over there got one. while the tailshaft is longer than the LS1 T56, the shifter is farther forward than the LS1.
I read somewhere else that an LS1 tailshaft housing was swapped onto one. The shifter was back in it's normal position (these were on GM F bodies) but the tailshaft stuck way-out of the housing.

There was also talk about shifter extensions and remote shifters.
I'll just keep what I have in my '93, I'm not gonna be racing.
If I get another MN12 to put the 460 in and can get enough scratch to get another T56, I'll revisit it then.
MikeH

ricardoa1
01-07-2011, 06:09 PM
I am getting excited. :D :D :D :D Need some tissues.


http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_1102_ford_2011_mustang_transmission_swap/index.html

ricardoa1
01-07-2011, 06:19 PM
Anyone from Maryland want to drive by the Justin's Performance Center?

http://www.jpcracing.com/

Maybe talke to Eric Holiday.

And explain the situation with the M5R2 and how there is a demand for a T56, and this S197 will be an easy trans to retrofit and maybe even create a Kit for SuperCoupes. Hydrailic slave.......Oh I died and went to heaven.


Group Buy anyone.?

neverfastenough
01-07-2011, 07:14 PM
im down, pick one up for me and ill owe u.

ricardoa1
01-07-2011, 07:39 PM
Lets do this, Ill open up a credit card under your name, get the kit made and purchased and then you can install it. And then owe them, I will put in the good word for you.


Maybe a phone call is in order. :rolleyes:

neverfastenough
01-07-2011, 08:06 PM
Yea that 19% interest is pocket change fo playa's like me.

91BLOWNBIRD
01-07-2011, 08:51 PM
I just gotta run it by the wife...otherwise...done deal ;)

91BLOWNBIRD
01-07-2011, 08:57 PM
if this sucker could just be a bolt up no change of fly or clutch or driveshaft...that would be sweeeeeeet!

ricardoa1
01-07-2011, 09:34 PM
if this sucker could just be a bolt up no change of fly or clutch or driveshaft...that would be sweeeeeeet!



I am trying to figure that out. I need some specifications of the unit. It would be nice. I think clutch has to be changed though and the pilot bearing will probably need to be changed too.

Mcleod is not very specific on their clutches they just say large or small for the 5.0l cars. :rolleyes:

XxSlowpokexX
01-08-2011, 01:16 AM
Im in!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

ricardoa1
01-08-2011, 02:23 AM
I want to document a shopping wish list to go back to when the thing becomes available..


There are several souces for SFI Bellhousings. Heavier then the alum that can be purchased from Tremec 1386-212-004. But since they are the same price as a SFI approved one then why not go for it.
Quicktime and Mcleod. The Quicktime looks like it’s a hardcore racing application and has alot of areas that does not cover the clutch leaving holes for water to get in severe rain, for a street car I think the Mcleod is a better choice since it seals up the clutch area and can cause less problems when it rains. The below will be my choice.
#8750-08- Fits Tremec 1992-2010 ; T-56 from Viper $670.00
This Bellhousing will fit all SBF with 157/164T Ring Gear. Ford 289/302/351 Motors


To keep it a somewhat affordable upgrade, I will just buy a 11" 28 spline clutch disc from Mcleod,
#260571 GENERAL MOTORS 1965-2010 11" 1-1/8 x 26 $260.00

This is a 500 Series Disc and is very similar to the popular dual friction from centerforce.
Flywheel Side Ceramic
Pressure Plate Side Organic
You could probably also get just the DF disc from centerforce and see if they sell it separately form Camaro 11" clutch kit #DF017010


This Magnum S197 is supposed to come with a Hydraulic slave, If so then hopefully just shimming up the slave will give the stock pressure plate the needed travel.

Pilot bearing I still have to reseach. I would need to get some info on the specs of a stock Mustang GT bearing assuming they will reuse the bearing.
Stock SC Needle Bearing; Bore=0.6733", sleeve Outer Diameter=1.45", Width=0.688" The Sleeve diameter is the item of importance.
Modular Ford. Needle Bearing; Bore=0.6721", sleeve Outer Diameter=1.487", Width=0.732"

According to SFK and the Rockauto catalogue, they sell just the needle bearing portion without the sleeve, and by their catalogue they sell the same Part # B65174 for both the SC and any new modular car even the GT500.
Width=.694"; Outside diameter=1.3790"; Length=.6920"; Inside diameter=.6732IN


The rear slip joke needs to be 31splines and the ones from a C6 4spd auto are the same so you can find them out there. The stock Ujoints are 1310. I don’t think its that hard to find a Slip Yoke that has 1310 ujoints and it fits a Ford C6 4speed. Spicer makes the slip joint in that configuration. 2-3-3131X was the part number.
Then if the transmission ends up being the same length as a M5R2 we can kiss the SC gods then maybe the stock driveshaft will simply bolt in. Cross fingers fellas.

ricardoa1
01-10-2011, 12:28 PM
I just called Tremec customer care. And I asked them what the ETA was on the release date for the S197 t-56 The representative estimated it to have a release date of sometime in June. All we can do is sit back and wait. I was going to call JPC but I think its too early to talk about it with them. :(

BLOWN38
01-10-2011, 03:22 PM
I could prolly help out with JPC if you need. I have a M5R2 I could take up to them for measurements or whatever. Also have all the clutch stuff they could look at.

neverfastenough
01-10-2011, 03:29 PM
I could prolly help out with JPC if you need. I have a M5R2 I could take up to them for measurements or whatever. Also have all the clutch stuff they could look at.

Bolt that sucker into your car and see if you can hang wif me.

BLOWN38
01-10-2011, 03:41 PM
You really want me to embarrass you.:D And I can't anyway, I just sent DD the bolts for the flywheel.:( So you're in luck... no embarrassment for you from me.:) But when I get one installed in the bagged 5 oh I'll show ya how its done.;)

ricardoa1
01-10-2011, 04:09 PM
I could prolly help out with JPC if you need. I have a M5R2 I could take up to them for measurements or whatever. Also have all the clutch stuff they could look at.

That would be sweet good Chris. They might need a car though to mock where the crossmember goes. But any help would be good when the times comes. I am a more do it yourselfer but Looks like they are a good distributor for Mcleod, Tremec and even Quicktime so maybe they can put together all the pieces with ease.


Other Magnum transmissions go for $2800.00 So I dont expect to pay any less for just the gear box. But at least it will be new have somewhat of a warranty and can probably close the gap on them auto boys. LOL


The Mcleod dual clutch seems like a neat product too. But I dont think MN12 owners can swing that kind of expense, its already getting up there in price with just the trans. So thats why if possible sticking with the stock u-joints and clutch was an idea, Assuming it works out. A driveshaft is at least $500 Then you have to change the differential flange ect. Gets up there quick for a complete bulletprof set up. Can our axles even handle a dual disk clutch?

But at least the dreams are not so far from being a dream.

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:2q5D2RXjFM6ZWM:http://i883.photobucket.com/albums/ac35/westcoaststar/BmTEEwCGkKGrHqUH-C8Etsdh6pjpBLfLLzt.jpg&t=1

CMac89
01-11-2011, 10:41 PM
This transmission isn't too necessary. There are companies that can piece together a T-56 to sustain up to 1000HP. It only costs about $750 to have an F-Body T-56 built to support 800HP with the factory input shaft, 31 spline output shaft, billet keys/springs, carbon fiber synchros, and so on. The Viper build is $1300.

I'm definitely going for the 2.66 gear set. The main reason going to a T-56 is to swap to a tranny that's not only stronger, but has a better gear spread to be able to take advantage of gear multiplication.

Thunder427
01-12-2011, 01:14 AM
I'm with Casey on this one. I am gladly switching from a failing AOD that needs to be replaced anyways.

ricardoa1
01-12-2011, 08:34 AM
This transmission isn't too necessary. There are companies that can piece together a T-56 to sustain up to 1000HP. It only costs about $750 to have an F-Body T-56 built to support 800HP with the factory input shaft, 31 spline output shaft, billet keys/springs, carbon fiber synchros, and so on. The Viper build is $1300.

I'm definitely going for the 2.66 gear set. The main reason going to a T-56 is to swap to a tranny that's not only stronger, but has a better gear spread to be able to take advantage of gear multiplication.


Well I know where you stand. Rebuild plus a used tranny you are easy over $2000. Add the extras to make it fit and that 700 bux for a brand new trans almost seems worth it doesnt it? But sure lots of things can be done cheaper.

I even called D&D to see if there were interested in a set up where it involved putting the 10spline input shaft from the cobra so we can just use a stock cluth. And the Fbomb tailshaft. With a rebuild it was going to cost more then $2500. If you can save substantially more and get it completed for a resonable total. PLease do post your findings.

decipha
01-12-2011, 02:49 PM
yea you do have options, the 4r70w is a hefty contender, theres some mustang folks that have run numerous 9 sec passes with stock 4r70w's with nothing more than a shift kit done to the trans

CMac89
01-12-2011, 03:47 PM
Well I know where you stand. Rebuild plus a used tranny you are easy over $2000. Add the extras to make it fit and that 700 bux for a brand new trans almost seems worth it doesnt it? But sure lots of things can be done cheaper.

I even called D&D to see if there were interested in a set up where it involved putting the 10spline input shaft from the cobra so we can just use a stock cluth. And the Fbomb tailshaft. With a rebuild it was going to cost more then $2500. If you can save substantially more and get it completed for a resonable total. PLease do post your findings.
It's about $750 to have a transmission built that will support 800HP, which is a number that most will not likely touch. Cores can be found by the shops who build the transmissions for under $500. Even this new transmission will require the purchase of a bellhousing to mate to our blocks, some spacers to get the input shaft to a correct length, a shifter, clutch, slave, etc... Really the only thing you can compare is the gearbox price itself, which a built factory T-56 makes a lot more sense to do financially. There are companies out there that do great work and don't charge nearly as much as most vendors.

One of the advantages of going to a T56 is to take advantage of their input shaft strengths. Going to a ten spline input shaft would nullify one of the main reasons for even doing the swap. This is part of the reason '03/'04 Cobra guys go C4 or do the input shaft conversion, because the 10 spline input shafts are very weak. F-Body input shafts are 26 spline.

ricardoa1
01-12-2011, 04:20 PM
It's about $750 to have a transmission built that will support 800HP, which is a number that most will not likely touch. Cores can be found by the shops who build the transmissions for under $500. Even this new transmission will require the purchase of a bellhousing to mate to our blocks, some spacers to get the input shaft to a correct length, a shifter, clutch, slave, etc... Really the only thing you can compare is the gearbox price itself, which a built factory T-56 makes a lot more sense to do financially. There are companies out there that do great work and don't charge nearly as much as most vendors.

One of the advantages of going to a T56 is to take advantage of their input shaft strengths. Going to a ten spline input shaft would nullify one of the main reasons for even doing the swap. This is part of the reason '03/'04 Cobra guys go C4 or do the input shaft conversion, because the 10 spline input shafts are very weak. F-Body input shafts are 26 spline.

I think you are including the racers discount on to your findings. But the Magnum T-56 is not the same as the old T-56, There are many improvements that were implemented. Is it worth it? Thats up to the main user...

CMac89
01-12-2011, 04:24 PM
http://www.texasdrivetrainperformance.com/

He can do just about anything with every T-56 made.

XxSlowpokexX
11-09-2011, 10:09 PM
opk to the top.....That new stang direct bolt in......How does that shifter lenght land in our cars compared to teh stock 5 speed?

talonhead
11-10-2011, 04:50 AM
Yeah, what's the scoop?
I could really use a heavy duty unit for the next project. It's gonna be a doozy! I'll definatly be callin' out for some help on that one!
MikeH

ricardoa1
11-10-2011, 07:58 AM
it would have to be brought to prodiction first. I have not checked maybe calling the place that installed the proto, I know the other mustang trans has been installed in a tbird over at tccoa and the shifter lands pretty darn close to perfect, but it was a 4.6l that was tried, differentbolt pattern.

Here is the post. tr3650 transmission/stock s197 5spd

http://forums.tccoa.com/showpost.php?p=1248303&postcount=7

http://inlinethumb06.webshots.com/44613/2973499100102099157S500x500Q85.jpg

ricardoa1
11-10-2011, 09:14 AM
Looks like they are taking orders at some distributors.

http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/The_solution_to_2005-up_Ford_Mustang_S197_Shift_problems.htm


http://www.americanpowertrain.com/pop-Magnum-6speed-kit-S197-Mustang.html


I think there is a mix up on the part number.
http://www.outperformanceshop.com/product-p/tremec-tuet11430.htm
http://www.outperformanceshop.com/product-p/tremec-tuet11940.htm

XxSlowpokexX
11-10-2011, 12:43 PM
Looks like they are taking orders at some distributors.

http://www.moderndriveline.com/Technical_Bits/The_solution_to_2005-up_Ford_Mustang_S197_Shift_problems.htm


http://www.americanpowertrain.com/pop-Magnum-6speed-kit-S197-Mustang.html


I think there is a mix up on the part number.
http://www.outperformanceshop.com/product-p/tremec-tuet11430.htm
http://www.outperformanceshop.com/product-p/tremec-tuet11940.htm

I didnt see a price..Ohh booyyyyyyy 3400 !

ricardoa1
11-10-2011, 12:56 PM
Common thats not too far from a totally built auto trans. :rolleyes:.

Fork it over.

XxSlowpokexX
11-10-2011, 02:12 PM
actually I think that price is for everything as the standard magnum is 2700

Once that tranny is out I think im going for it. I know I can build a t56 to viper specs and get out much cheaper however they are saying this tranny to be the best shifting yet..Plus the t56 is still a bit shorter..

So I guess I will just wait and see

ricardoa1
11-10-2011, 02:16 PM
actually I think that price is for everything as the standard magnum is 2700

Once that tranny is out I think im going for it. I know I can build a t56 to viper specs and get out much cheaper however they are saying this tranny to be the best shifting yet..Plus the t56 is still a bit shorter..

So I guess I will just wait and see

I agree that is for the kit to bolt into a S197 including bellhousing. Once they are out I think we can custom order it so we just get the gearbox and pick a bellhousing of our choice. Let it come out and see what part numbers they attach to the different components I still think they are in the pre production phase although now it looks promising. D&D was very skeptical when I called them at the beginning of summer. But looks like they are moving forward. Too bad I might not be able to do this for a long tong time :(

XxSlowpokexX
11-10-2011, 05:05 PM
Rico its currently the one thing I really hate about my car...And its allot to spend when all is said and done....But think about it. 6 gears..smooth shifting...700ft lbs...

Still would like to see dimentions to compare too our transmission. Shifter we know..But what about driveshaft...Slightly shorter would be sweet as well!

talonhead
11-10-2011, 08:38 PM
I went to Tremec's new performance site, they say delivery of the s197 magnum is slated for this month. I put in a request for some specs. We'll see how long (or if) it takes.
MikeH

talonhead
12-01-2011, 07:39 PM
Have been emailing with Bruce at Modern Driveline. He has been very quick to answer. He says that the Sn197 T56 Magnum is ~32" shifter to block face. My LS1/McLeod combo is right at 31" and that is using a 1/2" spacer ring.
The '197 can use a standard T56 mid-plate so that what ever bell adapter for your engine combo i.e. SBF/T56, BBF/T56 or 4.6/T56. I think they use a Quicktime bell unit. It looks like it has the Ford/Viper slave bolt clocking. But, can't see the notches for the hyd line.
Have to ask Bruce about that. He has sent a request for additional, more detailed Tech Spec's from the vendor.
I gave him a brief rundown on what it took for parts (bought/made) for my application. Hopefully we can get some solid info nailed down.
MikeH

XxSlowpokexX
12-01-2011, 08:45 PM
Thats actually really good news. Sounds promising and may save alot of hassle. Plus its alledgedly the smoothest shifting t56 yet.

NEXT YEARS PROJECT!!!

talonhead
12-01-2011, 08:49 PM
Here's a link to an article for a swap into a 'stang. has some good pics
http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/tech/mmfp_1102_ford_2011_mustang_transmission_swap/viewall.html
MikeH

XxSlowpokexX
12-01-2011, 08:49 PM
ohh I saw that.....Now where is the tailshaft in relation to ours??

talonhead
12-02-2011, 02:19 AM
Slowpoke,
Bruce said about 32" and mine is about 31" engine to shifter. Still waiting on better tech specs. I asked if just the trans could be bought insted of the whole kit. The kit is for the cammer engines 4.6/5.0 Stangs '05+. attached is a pic of sn197 t56 mag and the getrag side by side.
MikeH

XxSlowpokexX
12-02-2011, 02:29 PM
Yah I was just wondering if teh actual transmission itself was longer requiring a shorter driveshaft which would help me in another department..Thats what I was curious about!..I so want one of those

qc89SC
12-02-2011, 02:32 PM
thats a real interesting topic hope to see whats next with jthis !!!:D:D:D

XxSlowpokexX
12-02-2011, 03:00 PM
thats a real interesting topic hope to see whats next with jthis !!!:D:D:D

Hopefully next is that tranny in an SC!

talonhead
12-02-2011, 06:31 PM
Hopefully next is that tranny in an SC!

Yeah, but you need to get another job, inherit some $$, win the lottery, or............................................ sell something to pay for it! ;)
MikeH

talonhead
12-02-2011, 06:57 PM
But I'm in similar shape........... I haven't finished my T56 install yet, Wife wants rotty pups and I have to buy a 5th wheel slider hitch set-up to go get the sweet 25' trailer that my dad left me, and I get the "Evil Look" when I even look at signing up to work a whole weekend or extra hours during the week. :(
MikeH

p.s.
Current projects: 1)T56 install (working slowly)
2)New Cluster faces w/140 speedo (need to finish glue work) 120/140 conversion in place w/mounted adj. pot. Oil pres. gage mod done.
3)Oil pressure sender mod in stand-by until engine is ready for install (male 0.25" pipe to 0.25" bite tite (compression ferrul) fitting and 0.25 steel gage line and 0.25" bite to Female 0.25" pipe fitting), can put it any where, put a 'Tee' in it and a plain perssure switch can be added for a low press. idiot lite.
4) rear shock tower brace peices made, need welded and installed.
5) 460 Dizzy to Cam sync adapter, need to send material, drawing and parts to machinist.
6) modify entertainment rack (metal) to move big screen to the top and put the (2) 400 DVD changers and the 400 BD changer (yes, thats 1200 DVD/BD slots), the amp and SAT box in the middle.
7) finish stripping the parts car
8) Landscape a landing pad for the trailer
9) Make a puppy corral in the dining room (we don't dine in there)
10) finish cabinets for garage and install.
There's more, but this is getting depressing............
Maybe I should get a lottery ticket, can't win if you don't play.....Then I could pay someone to do most of this!

talonhead
12-09-2011, 01:03 AM
Maybe spring of next year for those who are running other than 4.6/5.0 OHC engines.
Here are some emails between myself and Bruce at Modern Driveline
(Start reading at the bottom)
MikeH


From: Bruce Couture
Michael,
I have spoken with Tremec about purchasing the transmission by itself, they will be available at some point, they did not say when. They will be focused on building the kit first and provide “service units” after. Right now we are looking at February before the kits are released. Best I can tell you would be stay in touch and see where things are in February or March.
Regards, Bruce
Modern Driveline Inc.
"Your five/six speed conversion source"
208-453-9800 ext 101


To: Bruce Couture
Subject: Re: S-197 Magnum
Hey Bruce,
Can the transmission be got by itself, not as the kit?
I already have the Bellhousings for 3.8/5.0 and 429/460 to T56.


From: Bruce Couture <[email protected]>
To: Michael

Perhaps I answered my own question, if you are running a 3.8L motor, the 4.6L bellhousing that is with the bellhousing will not bolt to the motor. We have QuickTime for a 3.8L/5.0L push rod motor that would fit but we would have to add a spacer to make up for the difference in the input shaft. As I see it the problem is what to do with the bellhousing that is coming off as it sold with the transmission. Perhaps you could sell it to someone that need one.
Regards, Bruce


To: Bruce Couture
Subject: Re: S-197 Magnum
Mr. Couture,
I have a 1993 Thunderbird SC. At present it has a 3.8l supercharged V6 with a T56 with a Viper/Retro mid-plate and an LS1 tailshaft in an overall LS1 configuration mated with a McLeod bell adapter. I am currently building a 460 big block for another SC I also have a McLeod bell adapter for this application.
I tried to get information on the S197 Magnum from Tremec but no response.
Could you tell me the mid-plate face to shifter center dimension?
Thank you for your quick response.
Mike


From: Bruce Couture
Subject: RE: S-197 Magnum
Make_Model_Year:
Engine:
Horsepower_Torque:
Rear_end_Ratio:
Current_Transmission: viper/LS1 t56
B1: Send
Date: 11/28/2011
Time: 09:53:09 PM

Question:

Will a standard T56 patern "bellhousing" fit the SN 197 T56 magnum?
[Bruce] Bolt patter yes the input shaft length is longer.

What size pilot and Spline configuration is available for input shaft?
[Bruce] Pilot od is .670" with a 26 spline input shaft. What are you
looking to install this into?

Regards, Bruce

XxSlowpokexX
12-09-2011, 01:10 AM
Well lucky I blew my motor.,..Forces me not to do this right away haha..But a 6 speed will be sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeettttt.

talonhead
12-14-2011, 08:49 PM
here are some emails back/forth with Dan. It looks like it might be a wait for the push-rod guys.

From: Michael
To: Dan Oliver <[email protected]>
Subject: S-197 T56 magnum transmission configuration specs/availabilities

I am trying to obtain information on the S197 T56 magnum transmission. I have a 1993 Ford Thunderbird SuperCoupe. It came OEM with a 3.8L supercharged V6 and a Mazda M5R2 5 speed transmission. Sadly, getting parts &/or someone to rebuild it is problematic at best,Not to mention that it started out as a truck transmission.
So far the closest fitting transmission to go into the MN12 platform is the T56 in LS1 configuration. But the shifter is still forward of the original position. I know because I have done this swap.
My questions are:
Length: mid-plate face to tail shaft
mid-plate face to shifter center
input shaft to mid-plate face

diameter: of input shaft/
diameter: of pilot -is it a standard Ford dia? (found out via another source that it is ford dia.)Can the transmission be purchased as an item i.e. not as a kit? If so how much?

For the folks with 4.6/5.0 OHC engines this would be a great kit for upgrade or conversion from an auto. But for those of us with older pushrod engines it's still a ~~~~.
I am looking for a 6 Speed to go into another MN12 project car, also a 1990-93 SC. But this one will have a 460 big block engine. As I stated above that I have done a t56 swap already and planned ahead I already have the Bell adapter for the 429/460 to T56. I had to install a 0.5" spacer ring on the 3.8l and a 0.4" shim under the slave to offset the longer LS1 input shaft, (I understand that the input shaft for the SN-197 is also longer?) If the pilot is a standard Ford diameter, then an adapter sleeve like I had made for a GM pilot would not be required. Is the slave cylinder the Ford/Viper configuration? The reason I ask, is that my Borg-Warner T56 has an LS1 input and output -----But the case and mid-plate are Viper P/Ns with the GM tail-shaft housing. I am using a Viper P/N slave, as the inside diameter of Ford unit that came off my old 5 speed was too small to fit over the T56 input shaft. The electrical's is a whole other ball of wax.
Thank you for your time,
Mike
--------------------------------

Dan,
Thanks, but I have the brochure already. I was trying to get more in-depth tech specs for planning.
Mike

12/13/2011
Mike,
I talked to tremec today. The reason why they didn't reply or respond to me is because the transmission isn't fully released yet. They will have official specs in feb. I asked them to send me the prototype specs

Thanks,

Dan Oliver
OutPerformance Shop

XxSlowpokexX
12-14-2011, 09:27 PM
Keep the info comming...Next years project

Hock
12-14-2011, 10:54 PM
Its too bad that I don't have the money for this trans and also that I insist on having my SC back to Carlisle next year. Otherwise I would let it sit and do other things while I waited to save the money.

XxSlowpokexX
12-14-2011, 11:10 PM
I hope my car is done for carlisle

Screwloose
10-01-2012, 11:36 AM
Has anyone put a magnum T56 in their Thunderbird?

cntinuum
12-25-2012, 08:46 PM
Been a year since the regulars have posted.
Does anyone have some new information?
When the transmission was released, where is the shifter location?
Thanks,
-Dave

XxSlowpokexX
12-25-2012, 10:16 PM
Actually waiting for my bonus check to come in :O)

cntinuum
08-11-2013, 11:00 PM
Any progress on a T56 into an SC?

jludorf
08-13-2013, 12:19 AM
I have mine installed and it was working. I am adding some shims between the trans and bellhousing to improve shifter location and to move the input shaft out of the crank as I was bottoming out on the bushing. Should have it all back together soon when my new engine arrives.

Mine is an Lt1 converted to an ls1 works fine with 504hp

XxSlowpokexX
08-13-2013, 12:23 AM
I was looking at the t56 magnum for s197 stangs. Seems to be a perfect fit..However bonus check went into making a new driveway this year...Next year!

rbrown
09-10-2013, 10:54 PM
Well with the parts situation I am having with the M5, I am considering this.

XR7 Dave
09-11-2013, 07:31 AM
I have a completely rebuilt, like brand new (all parts inside in outstanding condition, all OE) 95 5spd trans. I built it for a member here who wanted a no-expense spared restoration rebuild several years ago and he has not indicated that he is interested in ever picking it up. I'd have to ask what the price is, but I think he's willing to sell.

rbrown
09-11-2013, 11:25 AM
I have a completely rebuilt, like brand new (all parts inside in outstanding condition, all OE) 95 5spd trans. I built it for a member here who wanted a no-expense spared restoration rebuild several years ago and he has not indicated that he is interested in ever picking it up. I'd have to ask what the price is, but I think he's willing to sell.

Email sent. Scares me on the no-expense part though.