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Slater85
07-22-2014, 05:22 PM
I've been asked to reproduce this SCCoA Plate for the club. This will be something i'll make once my Door Sill buy closes. I have the basic design copied including the bird on top and a SCCoA font as close to the original as possible. The only big change I made was the Countersunk Screws. I think running some flat screws( which i'll provide ) would really be a clean look.

These won't be some thin plates that just lay on top of your license plate. I'm thinking of making it from 1/4" material, all the edges will be radiused and the back of the frame will be recessed so your actual license plate will sit inside.

Finish: I don't think there will be alot of options on finish, so the point of this thread is to figure out a finish or two that will appeal to most. The originals were a smoke grey anodize and then machine engraved after. I can offer that if that's what is wanted, or a polish and clear. Black Contrast is an option like my sills the only problem with Black anodize is the Sun really beats it up and it changes color fast if you don't maintain it (i.e waxing and polishing).

Price: Probably $50-60 bucks, as always finish and quantity will affect this. Upside of me making the stuff is no minimum.

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The registered trademark is at the far right of the SCCoA it may get cut off depending on screen size.
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Kurt K
07-22-2014, 05:57 PM
You are definitely correct about the fading. That frame above was originally black anodized and has been on my car for about 20 years. I think it is about a 1/4" thick, but I'd have to measure to confirm.

I think the countersunk screws will be cleaner, but in my case the standard hole gives me a little wiggle room to shift my plate up and the frame down to expose part of my renewal tag (which is now required to be on the lower right corner of the plate). As I typed that, I realized I can enlarge the license plate holes and essentially accomplish the same thing. Will the countersunk screws have the same threads as the standard screws?

KMT
07-22-2014, 06:22 PM
Can your plater do black chrome?

jjklongisland
07-22-2014, 09:34 PM
I am definitely down for a set in black anodized...

Slater85
07-23-2014, 08:45 PM
You are definitely correct about the fading. That frame above was originally black anodized and has been on my car for about 20 years. I think it is about a 1/4" thick, but I'd have to measure to confirm.

I think the countersunk screws will be cleaner, but in my case the standard hole gives me a little wiggle room to shift my plate up and the frame down to expose part of my renewal tag (which is now required to be on the lower right corner of the plate). As I typed that, I realized I can enlarge the license plate holes and essentially accomplish the same thing. Will the countersunk screws have the same threads as the standard screws?

Yeah, if the contrast look is what everyone wants im thinking black powder vs. black anodize would be better. Thanks for pointing out the screws Kurt, the plan was to use the same thread as the stock ones but after measuring these I might have a little trouble sourcing them...

KMT
07-23-2014, 08:53 PM
I use license plate anti-theft screws (allen head?), but they are all button type.

Mike8675309
07-23-2014, 09:10 PM
Minnesota plates look like this, note the year and month of expiration in the lower left and right corners. They are not allowed to be obscured. And we have to have front and rear plates.
http://www.streets.mn/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1977licenseplate.jpg

dthompson
07-23-2014, 09:30 PM
I think these are now illegal in North Carolina. :(

Kurt K
07-23-2014, 09:40 PM
Yeah, if the contrast look is what everyone wants im thinking black powder vs. black anodize would be better. Thanks for pointing out the screws Kurt, the plan was to use the same thread as the stock ones but after measuring these I might have a little trouble sourcing them...

I thought the threads might be a problem.

For Powder Coating: Will the edge between the powder coating and the machined groove cause the powder coating to degrade more easily.


Minnesota plates look like this, note the year and month of expiration in the lower left and right corners. They are not allowed to be obscured. And we have to have front and rear plates.
http://www.streets.mn/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/1977licenseplate.jpg
Mike,

Missouri plates are similar now, but when I originally got the plate holder, the month and year tags were on top. Since the year tags change colors every year, I just run mine partially blocked. If yours don't change colors, I could see that it could be a problem.

And we are "supposed" to run front plates too :D

talonhead
07-25-2014, 12:56 AM
I thought the threads might be a problem.

For Powder Coating: Will the edge between the powder coating and the machined groove cause the powder coating to degrade more easily.


Mike,

Missouri plates are similar now, but when I originally got the plate holder, the month and year tags were on top. Since the year tags change colors every year, I just run mine partially blocked. If yours don't change colors, I could see that it could be a problem.

And we are "supposed" to run front plates too :D

I'm glad that both TX & CT both have done away with plate stickers and CT has done away with the windshield stickers for Emissions and Inspection. (Still have to have 2 plates)Now DOD has done away with bumper/window installation decals. Keeps them getting stolen.
I'd be down for a set of the black powder coat. I'd probably clear coat it or paint the engraving to seal the edges of the engraving.
MikeH

David Neibert
08-01-2014, 01:40 PM
Yeah, if the contrast look is what everyone wants im thinking black powder vs. black anodize would be better. Thanks for pointing out the screws Kurt, the plan was to use the same thread as the stock ones but after measuring these I might have a little trouble sourcing them...

I like the contrast look and would be happy with either black anodize or powder coat. I'm in for one.

David

nanatothesixth
08-01-2014, 03:29 PM
I'll second that!

Mike8675309
08-01-2014, 03:52 PM
Minnesota needs front and rear plates. Only the year sticker changes both the year and the color, the month sticker is static. Cops basically keep track of the color for the last year, the current year and the next year and instantly pull over those that don't match any of those. And front plates are required in MN.

Collector plates have the word collector across the bottom of the plate with no years. Other than I drive it every day my 90 could run collector plates.

Kurt K
08-01-2014, 04:21 PM
Minnesota needs front and rear plates. Only the year sticker changes both the year and the color, the month sticker is static. Cops basically keep track of the color for the last year, the current year and the next year and instantly pull over those that don't match any of those. And front plates are required in MN.

Collector plates have the word collector across the bottom of the plate with no years. Other than I drive it every day my 90 could run collector plates.

Front plates are required in Missouri too. I just choose not to run one.

Edit: btw, local police here now automatically scan for expired plates electronically. Apparently, they can just drive down the road and the computer will beep at them when it finds an expired plate.

shoalcracker
08-01-2014, 04:38 PM
Kurt

From what I understand they are directly connected to the mainframe.

Up here they can scan up to 7000 plates per shift and pull registration, wants and warrants and insurance.

They sit in Tim Horton's (our main coffee retailer) early in the morning and check the cars going thru.

Being in one of the last Red Neck strongholds theirs a fairly large group driving without licences and insurance.:eek:

Paul

Jimmy 2Coupes
08-01-2014, 05:32 PM
I actually have one of the original SCCOA license plate frames and it's held up pretty good over the years. I'd be down for another one in either powder coat or Black anodize. BTW no front license plates in Michigan.:cool::cool:

J dot Miller
08-01-2014, 08:22 PM
If there was an XR7 in it I would be interested too...

Mike8675309
08-01-2014, 09:23 PM
Front plates are required in Missouri too. I just choose not to run one.

Edit: btw, local police here now automatically scan for expired plates electronically. Apparently, they can just drive down the road and the computer will beep at them when it finds an expired plate.

They do it different than looking at stickers. They read the license plate (numbers are reflective and the use IR Lasers like at the grocery store but more power) then lookup in their database the registration info and then check for any flagged tickets, and then will tag if registration expired. Unfortunately they do cache a bunch of data, and it isn't unheard of for those systems to incorrectly flag a vehicle for things that it shouldn't be flagged for anymore. But back to the license plate frames.

For those that can use them, they sure are better than the ones the auto dealers throw on.

CaifanSC
08-25-2014, 11:48 AM
I'm in! Been waiting for one of these for a long time ;)

Wzenheimer
11-05-2014, 11:54 AM
Im down for one. I'm curious since the Sill plates are winding down what is the time frame for these.

Chris

Slater85
11-05-2014, 07:05 PM
I'm not so sure about this project anymore. I only have my CA plates to work off of, the stickers are on the top. I measured it all up and made the sticker openings as close to the sticker locations as possible without covering them. Also my plates are from 1990 so the "CALIFORNIA" lettering sits below the T-bird logo, the new CA plates place the lettering at the very top so that will be all covered (im not sure if there's any laws against covering the State Name ). Other states stickers are on the bottom. Now Im not sure if all the states place the stickers in the exact same location. So if I were to make 2 Plates to accommodate top or bottom stickers, will some be perfect while other partially cover the sticker?

With all the new state plates and rules about the stickers, I feel its gonna be hard to narrow the Frame design to 1 or 2 shapes, while still accommodating the masses. Dont get me wrong I'm still up for it, but im gonna need help on this one as far as a frame shape and some measurements on sticker locations from a few guys if we want to get this done so it looks right.

Nettlesd
11-06-2014, 02:37 PM
Greg,

You know me, I'm in no matter what. I believe I have some old Missouri plates I could send you so let me know on that. It could come done to making the frames state specific and taking orders that way. Myself, and a few others who want a MO frame, would work with you on the design and get that produced. Maybe put a frame minimum before anything is produced. If guys from KY want a frame, let 10 guys step forward and get the design hashed out and those frames are produced.

nanatothesixth
11-06-2014, 02:48 PM
In NY we have no plate stickers, it's on our windshield.

Kurt K
11-06-2014, 02:59 PM
I think you guys are making this too difficult. Make two versions, one with the stickers on the top and one with them on the bottom. Then let the buyer choose. I've been running the original SCCoA frame on my car since the mid 90's with out incident (granted I don't drive it as often as I did when it was a daily driver). The frame is intended for plate with stickers in the top corners, but Missouri plates are no in the bottom corners...for a while Missouri stickers were in the middle of the plate and there was no issue whatsoever.

neverfastenough
11-06-2014, 03:09 PM
I say you make it really easy on the guy and just move your stickers to a visible location as close as possible to the original location. I highly doubt anyone would throw a fit about that.

Slater85
11-06-2014, 03:15 PM
Im thinking 2 plates also, stickers on top or stickers on bottom. That should cover most everybody

or no cut outs for no stickers and when you see the cops just floor it?

KMT
11-06-2014, 03:24 PM
Im thinking 2 plates also, stickers on top or stickers on bottom. That should cover most everybody

Or you could make one frame that works with either of two (or more) up/down oriented inserts, or, choose to use no insert at all...

Slater85
11-06-2014, 03:28 PM
Or you could make one frame that works with either of two up/down inserts, or, choose to use no insert at all...

That is an option but having the cut outs for stickers on top and on bottom leave less room to engrave "SUPER COUPE CLUB OF AMERICA" i'll either have to make it a lot smaller or just use SCCoA

KMT
11-06-2014, 03:41 PM
Cut outs for stickers would go opposite the insert with whatever lettering. Only one version frame, to be installed with cut outs for stickers oriented on the bottom and buyer's choice of insert on top, or flip it over so the cut outs are on top with insert (designed to fit regardless of orientation) on bottom.

You could then make various inserts, say, with T-bird logo, SuperCoupe ,SCCoA, SUPER COUPE CLUB OF AMERICA, or Cougar XR7, with other options for the regular MN-12 crowd.

neverfastenough
11-06-2014, 03:48 PM
Like we're trying to put a man on Mars or something:rolleyes:

KMT
11-06-2014, 03:49 PM
Sausage making :)

Slater85
11-06-2014, 04:02 PM
Cut outs for stickers would go opposite the insert with whatever lettering. Only one version frame, to be installed with cut outs for stickers oriented on the bottom and buyer's choice of insert on top, or flip it over so the cut outs are on top with insert (designed to fit regardless of orientation) on bottom.

You could then make various inserts, say, with T-bird logo, SuperCoupe ,SCCoA, SUPER COUPE CLUB OF AMERICA, or Cougar XR7, with other options for the regular MN-12 crowd.

Ken,

You just solved that issue. 1 Frame, flip it upside down.

As for the lettering this buy will only be for SCCoA Plates. I will probably do some different logo plates after I get these done for the club.

KMT
11-06-2014, 04:13 PM
I'll be content to wait for contrast black w/T-Bird logo, thanks.

Nettlesd
11-06-2014, 06:48 PM
The frame is intended for plate with stickers in the top corners, but Missouri plates are no in the bottom corners...for a while Missouri stickers were in the middle of the plate and there was no issue whatsoever.

Standardized plates have the sticker in the middle.

DrFishbone
11-06-2014, 07:53 PM
kurt

from what i understand they are directly connected to the mainframe.

Up here they can scan up to 7000 plates per shift and pull registration, wants and warrants and insurance.

They sit in tim horton's (our main coffee retailer) early in the morning and check the cars going thru.

Being in one of the last red neck strongholds theirs a fairly large group driving without licences and insurance.:eek:

Paul

timothy horton's!!!!

:d