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Kennypaul26
05-23-2017, 12:12 PM
I'm in a rough spot. I love the sc, especially being that young in miles, but it is such a rare car I feel selling it and getting a mustang would better benefit me. I'm crazy about the sc, but if it's such a @^!* to maintain idk.. opinions please?

potshotscott
05-23-2017, 12:24 PM
I think you know the answer best. It boils down to the question of how much do you enjoy the SC versus any Mustang you might get. To me there's a lot of Mustangs already on the road. The SC handles the kinds of roads I like to drive better than any Mustang. The SC might be harder to maintain but keeping it on the road might be more rewarding too. What color is your 93? Auto/manual trans? Cloth interior or leather?

Kennypaul26
05-23-2017, 12:46 PM
I think you know the answer best. It boils down to the question of how much do you enjoy the SC versus any Mustang you might get. To me there's a lot of Mustangs already on the road. The SC handles the kinds of roads I like to drive better than any Mustang. The SC might be harder to maintain but keeping it on the road might be more rewarding too. What color is your 93? Auto/manual trans? Cloth interior or leather?

Oxford white auto trans, leather interior, keypad on the door, it needs paint and tires, freshly rebuilt supercharger powdercoated and all.. if I keep it, I want it to at least make the 400hp range. The only mustang I love is the 04 cobra terminator. Which this car pretty much set the foundation for, but price of that is 15k+

neverfastenough
05-23-2017, 02:10 PM
Oxford white auto trans, leather interior, keypad on the door, it needs paint and tires, freshly rebuilt supercharger powdercoated and all.. if I keep it, I want it to at least make the 400hp range. The only mustang I love is the 04 cobra terminator. Which this car pretty much set the foundation for, but price of that is 15k+

You'll likely need 15k+ to paint your bird and make 400hp, just saying

Kennypaul26
05-23-2017, 03:57 PM
You'll likely need 15k+ to paint your bird and make 400hp, just saying

Wow.. No paint is almost done, it wont take but maybe 300 max to finish. And 15k to hit 400hp? If thats even close to what it takes, ill get an 03/04 cobra motor with the t56 tranny and slap it in there for 6-7k max. Let me add to the equation that the seller is a certified mechanic that also happens to be an honest family friend. I only paid 1k for this car, pictures coming soon. Is it worth flipping, keeping, or is it a money dumpster?

neverfastenough
05-23-2017, 05:20 PM
Assuming you'd want 400rwhp, and reliable, it's not a cheap road. Not for a totally complete combination that works as jt should at that power level.

Xr7dave on here could probably quote you a 400rwhp engine build, but you're going to need a fuel system to support that, exhaust, as well as many other things.

Kennypaul26
05-24-2017, 02:23 PM
Assuming you'd want 400rwhp, and reliable, it's not a cheap road. Not for a totally complete combination that works as jt should at that power level.

Xr7dave on here could probably quote you a 400rwhp engine build, but you're going to need a fuel system to support that, exhaust, as well as many other things.

I figure if it's over 8k to build, then I'll go with the cobra swap. Has anyone done the termy swap yet? I know to moderately boost daily drivable performance, intake, exaust (with proper back pressure) 5% over dive pulley, and 42lb injectors is where to start.. I'm just flabbergasted that it has a 0-60 of 7 seconds (acura rsx type s speed right there) but takes 16 seconds to go from 0-100 in a 1/4th mile give or take, that's dumb.. and the stock v6 no supercharger is only 140hp.. that makes me consider even a buick regal g's supercharged over this.. but I love irs, lsd, and rwd... so I'm gonna stick with her. Where do I go to start looking up restoration for cars that sat 20 years?

rzimmerl
05-24-2017, 02:43 PM
A twin screw upgrade for the V6 if you can find one that's already made and for sale will run $4-4500 to get you in the 400 plus range with ported heads and cam which will be another ~$2500, then fuel system, tuning, etc.... Also the stock AOD will not hold up either at that power level so will need to upgrade that and a converter. Custom turbo kit might be a little cheaper but not much.

Kennypaul26
05-24-2017, 03:58 PM
A twin screw upgrade for the V6 if you can find one that's already made and for sale will run $4-4500 to get you in the 400 plus range with ported heads and cam which will be another ~$2500, then fuel system, tuning, etc.... Also the stock AOD will not hold up either at that power level so will need to upgrade that and a converter. Custom turbo kit might be a little cheaper but not much.

Dude your sc is frigging nasty!!!!! I heard of putting a kenneth bell on a terminator motor but I didn't know you could do that to the tb. So if I do go all out with the twin screw, (brother died in an 04 cobra, lived for the whine of the supercharger, so turbo is out of the question. Plus I figure steady boost is easier on the components.) Twin screw, ported heads, cam, 42lb injestors, i/e.. so last question I hope, is there a 6 speed tranny that can fit our 3.8? Money for labor Is not an issue, only figuring out which parts to order. I noticed the awd and restoration threads are empty. And the manual supercoupe has 8 cylinders. 6 in the engine, plus slave and master. ;)

rzimmerl
05-24-2017, 04:47 PM
Dude your sc is frigging nasty!!!!! I heard of putting a kenneth bell on a terminator motor but I didn't know you could do that to the tb. So if I do go all out with the twin screw, (brother died in an 04 cobra, lived for the whine of the supercharger, so turbo is out of the question. Plus I figure steady boost is easier on the components.) Twin screw, ported heads, cam, 42lb injestors, i/e.. so last question I hope, is there a 6 speed tranny that can fit our 3.8? Money for labor Is not an issue, only figuring out which parts to order. I noticed the awd and restoration threads are empty. And the manual supercoupe has 8 cylinders. 6 in the engine, plus slave and master. ;)


Your gonna need at min 60lb injectors, I have 80's. Binks above did T56 swap ~$6k with no labor, couple others have done swap but still in $4k range. Those forums are locked until you become a paying member for $15.

Kennypaul26
05-24-2017, 06:11 PM
Your gonna need at min 60lb injectors, I have 80's. Binks above did T56 swap ~$6k with no labor, couple others have done swap but still in $4k range. Those forums are locked until you become a paying member for $15.

I'm using a phone right now so ty for not correcting my poor grammer, I've done research on hitting the 300 hp range, which doesn't seem too far fetched with moderate mods. I don't want to dump too much fuel if I'm correct we already get like 15-18 mpg?? So I decided I'm defiantly keeping it. I'll pay the membership fee when I get a chance cuz restoration is number one, but the person before my mechanic bought it drove it until the supercharger bearing went out. So it may be very up to date and need little tlc mechanically if it needs anything at all in that department. Thank you guys for the feedback, I'll post pictures of my dirty bird when she gets dropped off friday. The t56 would be my choice tranny, but even a regular 5 speed mustang gt tranny may do nicely if I stay around the 300hp range. And I'm talking crank horsepower, I'll worry about rwhp when I get the tranny either upgraded or swapped. I'm about to go see what upgrades the ao4 can obtain for my target power range. I'd say 300hp and 350 torque would be ideal for daily driving. Also I was thinking fr500 rims staggered with nitto 555's would be amazing to see on the sc.

BUDXR7
05-27-2017, 07:06 PM
I have to say, depending on the overall condition of the body (paint not withstanding), engine/drivetrain and interior, at $1k for 37k mile example, you are way ahead of the game. Paint it and bolt on up to 250 rwhp (easy) for less than $4k and be done with it. You'll have a blast and reliable daily driver for $5k or less. Most of us have WAY more than that into it. But there's the problem, it's difficult to say enough is enough, there's always a next round mods if your not careful.

Creighton
05-27-2017, 08:38 PM
Get it running in stock trim. May find you don't need 400 hp. Thus saving $$$. Huge fun cars for a DD as is.

Creighton

XR7 Dave
05-28-2017, 08:32 AM
Yeah, resist the urge to put on some loud farty exhaust, but put on a Nice exhaust system, a late model blower and pulley, a double IC with fan, some bigger injectors, MAF, fuel pump, and tune. Then some 3.73 gears and enjoy.

davec73
05-28-2017, 11:51 AM
A ken wagner double intercooler as well :)

Kennypaul26
05-29-2017, 02:26 AM
I have to say, depending on the overall condition of the body (paint not withstanding), engine/drivetrain and interior, at $1k for 37k mile example, you are way ahead of the game. Paint it and bolt on up to 250 rwhp (easy) for less than $4k and be done with it. You'll have a blast and reliable daily driver for $5k or less. Most of us have WAY more than that into it. But there's the problem, it's difficult to say enough is enough, there's always a next round mods if your not careful.

OK I'm kinda hooked.. today is my birthday, I'm finally getting it dropped off today. I will take a video and post the link. Honestly I've been reading forums day and night for a week, and yes this motor, drivetrain, interior, body, and overall owner appreciation seems unbeatable.. no punk in his hand me down muscle car is going to embarrass me that's the biggest thing. I am a little racer, but I like to do it quick and off the line and the cruise like it never happened. My brothers 04 cobra sounded so sick.. the exaust from the back was monsterous.. but I haven't seen anything like that from the sc's on YouTube yet. I figure just the loud whine will satisfy my needs, all quiet and ~~~~ like, what's up I'm cruising then eeeeeeehhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!!! The supercharger comes out of nowhere. I sold an acura cl 3.0 vtec for this car because of the rwd, my cobra love, and the intense maturity of the sccoa.com community. I will make it a nice mostly stock daily driver until it melts or whatever then one day if I get the cash I'll do the 04 cobra swap. I want to get deep dish rims though, I was thinking since I have to stay white, I should do black headlight/tailights covers, deep dish black five spoke rims with the little bolts around them, and possibly the cobra r hood. As far as upgrades, heafgaskets from the best place I can order with best studs, replace every single bolt on this thing I can, and start with intake/intercooler exaust and the best tires.. keep in mind I still have stock rims and spoiler. I could go for the sleeper look kinda like an Oldsmobile look, but I feel the sc looks way better with fat tires and a fat hood.

Kennypaul26
05-29-2017, 03:16 AM
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BUDXR7
05-29-2017, 06:23 PM
Damn, how long was that sitting outside? It does NOT look like 37k.... still though, if there's no rot you may be in good shape. There were just recently some s-port m90's on ebay which would go a long way to your goal. I would say, at the least, a late model (94-95) blower should be near the top of your list. And free up your exhaust...

Kennypaul26
05-29-2017, 06:36 PM
Damn, how long was that sitting outside? It does NOT look like 37k.... still though, if there's no rot you may be in good shape. There were just recently some s-port m90's on ebay which would go a long way to your goal. I would say, at the least, a late model (94-95) blower should be near the top of your list. And free up your exhaust...

Yeah.. Prolly 20 years. It has its ugly side but it has fresh fluids, ready for some new supercharger bolts to put the freshly rebuilt m90 back on. New wheel hubs, new harmonic balancer.. carpet and dash are spotless... I know it's gonna take the rest of my money this year but I'm down eff it.

potshotscott
05-30-2017, 12:32 AM
A lot of work to do there. If it's clean (no rust) as others have suggested then you might have a diamond in the rough. Or it's just rough.

Kennypaul26
05-30-2017, 09:01 AM
A lot of work to do there. If it's clean (no rust) as others have suggested then you might have a diamond in the rough. Or it's just rough.

It's pretty solid, just minor oxidation. Still if I get to the point where I'm dumping money into it, I'll sell it for what I can get and just go for anything ls1 and leave most fully built sc's in the dust. The more I see how much it takes to make decent numbers in an sc the more I lean toward an ls1.

Kennypaul26
05-30-2017, 09:58 AM
Yeah I'm putting up for sale until or unless I get to it before it sells. $2,000 firm takes it. Runs and drives as is like it's ready to be cleaned up and appreciated. No ac.

BUDXR7
05-30-2017, 07:18 PM
Yeah I'm putting up for sale until or unless I get to it before it sells. $2,000 firm takes it. Runs and drives as is like it's ready to be cleaned up and appreciated. No ac.

What the hell does this even mean? You tout the fact you got this car for $1k (which incidentally is about what it's worth judging by your pics) and then a few days later, having done nothing to it, exclaim the price of this cars is $2k firm. What? Oh, and there is no "until or unless", it is only "unless".

Creighton
05-30-2017, 08:51 PM
Agree lame to waste everyones time. That much mold clear coat is done. Good luck on your flip...
Creighton

Kennypaul26
05-30-2017, 10:45 PM
Agree lame to waste everyones time. That much mold clear coat is done. Good luck on your flip...
Creighton

Just because I got it for 1k doesn't mean you will. I came here for experienced advice but if even sc owners are saying it's a piece of ~~~~, what is it worth to me? I'm sure a running supercharged car will sell for 2k with 37k miles, clear coat is not even a concern, the metal is fine so a decent paint over and a new clear coat will fix that. And waste everyone's time? Really? What the ~~~~ I work 7 days a week and I'm trying to do this on the side, take your negative comments back to ford where they belong. I honestly thought I was going to meet some cool educated people not another stuck up forum of people with nothing better to do than judge me for trying to decide if it's a project worth investing in or throw it away. 2k firm unless you actually have cash in my face not dissing my bird. I'm more interested in an ls1 now that I see how disgusting the sccoa community can be toward a new member with much enthusiasm and nothing negative to say.

Kennypaul26
05-30-2017, 10:58 PM
Highest offer takes it. I'll do my thing without the generous support of the sc community. And not mad. Thank you to all who did take the time to try and help, I really appreciate it. I posted it in cars for sale. You may flame on it there if you'd like I'm about done here. One more thing...

Kennypaul26
05-30-2017, 11:23 PM
What the hell does this even mean? You tout the fact you got this car for $1k (which incidentally is about what it's worth judging by your pics) and then a few days later, having done nothing to it, exclaim the price of this cars is $2k firm. What? Oh, and there is no "until or unless", it is only "unless".


There is an until it sells, most people who buy cars from me keep in contact for affordable work and diagnosis of issues. So yes until or unless. Correct your attitude not my freedom of speech sir.

Kennypaul26
05-31-2017, 02:36 AM
This was very helpful:
https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/forum/grm/the-good-the-bad-and-the-ugly-89-supercoupe/51502/page2/

My brother loved his 04 cobra mystichrome 1 of 495. Before he died he told me I should get a supercoupe.. this car could mean alot to me. He had an ls1 camaro, 04 cobra, 96 gts w/s281 in it, and a 92 foxbody 5.0 at the same time... at 24. I want to shape this car up and put in memory of.. but if it's truly junk I should sell it for what it's worth and go for another or an ls1.. I'm just under alot of stress right now I'm alone and idk what to do. I'm walking a good distance to work every day just dreaming of the supercharger whine... besides, if I fix this up, enjoy it till 150k, rebuild it with the 04 cobra motor, it would be my car til I die.

BUDXR7
05-31-2017, 07:10 AM
I'm not fixing your freedom of speech. I'm questioning your grasp of the English language. When using a conjunction like "or" one should be able to remove either objective and have the sentence still make logical sense. In your case it does not.

The metal is not fine on that car. There is a clear dent on the front fender. Do you even know what's under the side skirts? Under the hood is clearly rusting.

Claiming you'll just buy an ls1 and leave most fully built sc's in the dust is not positive or respectful. It is forum racing and immature.

I came back to direct you to an eBay link for an s-port blower casing because this IS a supportive community for new owners. But then I saw your disillusion and thought, nah, he's not a worth my time. You clearly have some other issues goin on and the bastards at sccoa are the least of them. Good luck with the sale, I like for these cars to fetch as much as possible.

Kennypaul26
05-31-2017, 01:12 PM
I'm not fixing your freedom of speech. I'm questioning your grasp of the English language. When using a conjunction like "or" one should be able to remove either objective and have the sentence still make logical sense. In your case it does not.

The metal is not fine on that car. There is a clear dent on the front fender. Do you even know what's under the side skirts? Under the hood is clearly rusting.

Claiming you'll just buy an ls1 and leave most fully built sc's in the dust is not positive or respectful. It is forum racing and immature.

I came back to direct you to an eBay link for an s-port blower casing because this IS a supportive community for new owners. But then I saw your disillusion and thought, nah, he's not a worth my time. You clearly have some other issues goin on and the bastards at sccoa are the least of them. Good luck with the sale, I like for these cars to fetch as much as possible.

Hold on. Immature is to continue arguing and not stay on subject, which I'm sorry for that, but hands down I dont feel any love on this site, which was supposed to be the living soul of the sc. I saw a car, worked for it. It's ugly, you don't think an owner judges his car the hardest unless he is a street punk that's never been outside of a honda? If beauty is in the eye of the beholder, someone else can use the fresh parts it still has, and yes i looked under the car. I like the sound of an ls1, and it would take a mean mustang to keep up, no supercoupe with less than what.. 5-10k invested with constant checkups is going to stick with it? Oh and don't get me started on the problems the camaros have.. they are electrical nightmares, and good luck getting a six speed, but the community is amazing. And more... modern. The problems these cars seem to face isn't worth it's supposedly legendary "fun to drive" label.. but turbo the ~~~~ out of it and it may keep up. Easy way. I'm not a racer, but don't push me. If it's gonna be a a dead end conversation due to poor judgement don't bother. For all you know I'm actually planning to restore it myself just to prove how wrong you can be by jumping to conclusions. How hard is it to replace a thunderbird fender? I'm sure we got a tbird or two out in the scrap yard.

XxSlowpokexX
05-31-2017, 01:58 PM
Ok I see where this is coming from. Bottomline a realistic rwhp Number which is closer to the 400 hp you may be looking for can be had without breaking the bank. 400RWHP Will not be obtained easily or cheaply however 300-325rwhp is. And that's a fun number in an SC for sure. Just keep in mind the main goal here is to lead you to a place which is obtainable and not unrealistic

Kennypaul26
05-31-2017, 02:04 PM
Ok I see where this is coming from. Bottomline a realistic rwhp Number which is closer to the 400 hp you may be looking for can be had without breaking the bank. 400RWHP Will not be obtained easily or cheaply however 300-325rwhp is. And that's a fun number in an SC for sure. Just keep in mind the main goal here is to lead you to a place which is obtainable and not unrealistic

300wrhp, anything more than the stock 315 torque, I imagine that would make a dream car for me... see I feel over thousands of years even kings didn't have the luxury of a modern car.. and 400hp is almost too much for anyone to control with the stock irs and abs. That would be a bad ~~~ full upgrade stage there. For now.. 300hp is all I want to wax my buddy's "supercharged" 4.6 grand marquis. The 3.8 v6 mustang my other buddy has is already beaten.

Kennypaul26
05-31-2017, 02:10 PM
Brass tax, here it is, I just picked up 7 days a week at the restaurant so I'm in the all in or get out mood,
Pros: good suspension, engine, transmission, new harmonic balancer, rebuilt stock supercharger, fresh fluids, next step is MLS hg's and a cai. Then tires then paint, my next step from there is open for oppinions. 4.2 crank? Od pulley? Injectors?

When I say paint, I mean pull the engine, have it sand blasted or something, and do it right. Stock color to hold value. If possible.

XxSlowpokexX
06-01-2017, 03:53 PM
As has been mentioned (Tims a good guys, sometimes) Be patient.

Set a goal.

Ive owned several SC's and I always set a goal. Usually its an Im a cheap bastard goal and lets see what I can get for cheap. After that its all in.

So If you are fully happy with 100 more hp and not blowing the bank it can be done.

There are bolt ons,

BOLT ONS

AND THEN ...All out

That factory blower although rebuilt wont get you there.

A good question is how mechanically inclined are you? We can take it from there

Kennypaul26
06-01-2017, 05:39 PM
As has been mentioned (Tims a good guys, sometimes) Be patient.

Set a goal.

Ive owned several SC's and I always set a goal. Usually its an Im a cheap bastard goal and lets see what I can get for cheap. After that its all in.

So If you are fully happy with 100 more hp and not blowing the bank it can be done.

There are bolt ons,

BOLT ONS

AND THEN ...All out

That factory blower although rebuilt wont get you there.

A good question is how mechanically inclined are you? We can take it from there


I'm a fast learner, if I see it once it's burned into memory, but I have played around rebuilding top ends and stuff, my mechanic is epic though, he pulls fully built ls2 trucks apart and replaces ~~~~ed up parts alot. Has his own lift and all. The bigger question is where do you recommend getting the parts, and the best exaust/blower/ for my dream.

Answered my own questions: Scperformance.com
Tbscshop.com
Battery
Terminals
Vaccuum everything
IAC valve
Cai/clamps & hoses
Supercharger bolts
Supercharger fluid
Tires
Brakes
Drain/refill gas in tank
Adjust suspension
Shave passenger door lock
Replace driver fender
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Magnum powers intercooler
Headlights/ts
Tailights/ts
Arp studs
Oem fog lights
Deep dish rear rims
Matching Hoosier's/micky thompson or Nitto 555 tires
Bigger injectors

SuperUltraBubba
08-01-2017, 01:15 PM
Yeah or if you can afford it a fmic but they are not cheap and a pain to install.