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Jacob_Royer
07-29-2017, 05:06 AM
Earlier this year I upgraded to the mp rotor pack and a fresh mpiii. I took the overdrive down from 33% to 25% and managed to gain roughly 2psi of boost and 20rwhp. Not shabby but the only track time I got this year resulted in a worse et but significantly higher mph which left me scratching my head. The only thing I noticed was it seemed like I was spinning alot. Fast forward to power tour and 2nd gear started slipping badly so I limped it home. I believe this was a problem for awhile and why the track times did not improve with added hp but mph did. All the gears work fine other than 2nd. I figure I will never be happy with an m90 on this motor and came across a opertunity to purchase Ken Wagner old 2.3l whipple setup! The car is about to go under the knife again. I have to reroute intercooler pipes also I am about to drop the Transmission to get it fixed. I also picked up a nice zex wet kit so I am ditching the dry setup. Stay tuned things are about to get really serious with this car! I feel like I laid all the groundwork for this with the engine build and fuel system. The only thing I am tossing around right now is to upgrade to a 95 mm throttle body or not.

davec73
07-29-2017, 07:32 AM
We already know this setup is capable of 450 rwhp on a 3.8. Car is gonna be awesome buddy!

Jacob_Royer
07-29-2017, 04:38 PM
We already know this setup is capable of 450 rwhp on a 3.8. Car is gonna be awesome buddy!


It made 450/500tq on a 3.8/non locking auto. I am not sure what Ken made when he ran it. I am hoping for close to 500 without n20 and over 500 with a small shot.

4.2 stroker forged pistons and forged h beam rods
Arp main studs
High volume oil pump

Big valve ported heads
226cfm in the intake side at .600
200cfm @. 300 lift
Comp triple beehive ls springs
. 604/.605 226 duration cam
Arp studs MLS gaskets

3.5" intake 85mm tb
#80 Injectors
340lph pump

Kooks mid length headers
2.5" mandrel bent true dual exhaust with x pipe

3.73s
Wide ratio aod
2800 non locking converter

DrFishbone
07-31-2017, 01:30 PM
Swweeeeet! You going to have time to get everything done before the Shootout? I did some serious under-the-hood cleaning this weekend. Trying to make the ole black car pretty finally!

nickleman60
07-31-2017, 02:55 PM
Sweet.............depending on the wet shot could see a 10 second time slip..............:eek:

kenewagner
07-31-2017, 02:59 PM
It was always amazing to me how much more power it makes going down the track than a poor M90 or a M112. Its probably the best upgrade to a M90 on the 3.8 that I made, except maybe going turbo

Ken

Jacob_Royer
07-31-2017, 04:58 PM
Swweeeeet! You going to have time to get everything done before the Shootout? I did some serious under-the-hood cleaning this weekend. Trying to make the ole black car pretty finally!



Installing a 25k btu ac in the garage today then the car comes in to go under the knife. I have to drop the tranny this week and hopefully get the m90 stuff off I hope to e mobile again before the end of August so it can be tuned

Jacob_Royer
07-31-2017, 05:00 PM
Sweet.............depending on the wet shot could see a 10 second time slip..............:eek:

I hope so too! This car went 12.70 with only 12psi so I hope to be 20psi or a little more

nickleman60
07-31-2017, 07:11 PM
I hope so too! This car went 12.70 with only 12psi so I hope to be 20psi or a little more

I ran a best of 12.23 with a MPx, 11.13 with a 100 wet shot added.

Jacob_Royer
07-31-2017, 08:11 PM
I ran a best of 12.23 with a MPx, 11.13 with a 100 wet shot added.

I never could get the dry kit to cooperate with me and by the time I had some decent boost my transmission took a crap

Jacob_Royer
07-31-2017, 08:56 PM
I think it had a low 12 in it with the m90 I wanted to get there but just saved myself alot of frustration by going twin screw.

davec73
07-31-2017, 10:46 PM
I think it had a low 12 in it with the m90 I wanted to get there but just saved myself alot of frustration by going twin screw.
Yes you did

Jacob_Royer
08-05-2017, 11:29 PM
Wl I'd post some pics if photo bucket wasn't gay smh... Anyway I got the rear end, driveshaft and exhaust out and tranny drained hopefully drop it tommorw. Also ordered the stuff to run an 8an feed line for fuel

Jacob_Royer
08-08-2017, 08:59 PM
Today I dropped the transmission and removed the mpx! Also I ordered a derale stacked plate tranny cooler and the pipe kit to redo my fmic

DrFishbone
08-09-2017, 12:38 PM
Today I dropped the transmission and removed the mpx! Also I ordered a derale stacked plate tranny cooler and the pipe kit to redo my fmic

That's kinda funny...both of our cars are pretty torn apart....less than 2 months till the Shootout and we're ordering the same stuff at the same time. I'm ordering a Derale power steering cooler instead of tranny cooler though....I've not adopted your lifestyle. :D

Jacob_Royer
08-09-2017, 12:45 PM
That's kinda funny...both of our cars are pretty torn apart....less than 2 months till the Shootout and we're ordering the same stuff at the same time. I'm ordering a Derale power steering cooler instead of tranny cooler though....I've not adopted your lifestyle. :D

Honestly I thought about doing away with my ps cooler and oil cooler I think all they do is warmup said fluids even more and create more potential for leaks lol

Jacob_Royer
08-09-2017, 12:49 PM
Lifestyle??? I'm not the one that bought the pimp edition gold fmic plumbing lol

DrFishbone
08-09-2017, 02:09 PM
Honestly I thought about doing away with my ps cooler and oil cooler I think all they do is warmup said fluids even more and create more potential for leaks lol

I thought hard about it too....almost did. I really wanted to do a manual rack too but really really want to keep my big tires and keep it driveable.

At least this way it will look better than all those nasty lines underneath the oil pan. :rolleyes:

DrFishbone
08-09-2017, 02:11 PM
Lifestyle??? I'm not the one that bought the pimp edition gold fmic plumbing lol

The gold plating acts like an additional intercooler + insulation from engine bay temperatures. I'm going for sub-zero ACT's :cool: It has nothing to do with my lifestyle!!! Haters gonna hate....:p

Jacob_Royer
08-11-2017, 02:49 AM
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Jacob_Royer
08-11-2017, 02:50 AM
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Jacob_Royer
08-11-2017, 03:40 AM
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kenewagner
08-11-2017, 08:20 AM
Pretty top:D

Ken

davec73
08-11-2017, 09:33 PM
looking good buddy, cant waite to come help put it together!

Jacob_Royer
08-13-2017, 10:53 PM
No more orange rtv!


https://vgy.me/MaWXvS.jpg

Jacob_Royer
08-13-2017, 10:57 PM
Progress


https://vgy.me/jRW33B.jpg

Jacob_Royer
08-13-2017, 11:11 PM
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DrFishbone
08-14-2017, 12:27 PM
Do you know what you're doing for the fuel rail yet Jacob? I spent some time staring at an old one I have...wondering about brazing some AN fittings on either rail and splitting the 8AN I have from the pump into two 6AN's. I know it's been done before....a billet rail setup would be nice though!! I'll probably wait until next year to do any fuel system rework though....interested to see what you do in the meantime. :cool:

Jacob_Royer
08-15-2017, 06:30 AM
Do you know what you're doing for the fuel rail yet Jacob? I spent some time staring at an old one I have...wondering about brazing some AN fittings on either rail and splitting the 8AN I have from the pump into two 6AN's. I know it's been done before....a billet rail setup would be nice though!! I'll probably wait until next year to do any fuel system rework though....interested to see what you do in the meantime. :cool:


I talked to Ken and discovered the an fittings are soldered on so... No biggie to modify another rail to fit and solve the crushed line problem.


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https://vgy.me/AzrH3I.jpg

Jacob_Royer
08-16-2017, 07:39 PM
https://vgy.me/AHAaKO.jpg

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nickleman60
08-17-2017, 11:06 AM
Looking good...................:D

Jacob_Royer
08-22-2017, 08:18 PM
https://vgy.me/ixscuq.jpg


https://vgy.me/fa7rst.jpg

Fuel rail mods complete and leak tested. Also got the blower bolted down and thermostat housing installed

DrFishbone
08-23-2017, 11:09 AM
Looks like you're in good shape Jacob :)

Long as you get your transmission parts back in time!

David Neibert
08-23-2017, 01:10 PM
Do you have to make new IC tubes ?

David

Jacob_Royer
08-23-2017, 02:16 PM
Do you have to make new IC tubes ?

David

Just from here up

https://vgy.me/yTywKi.jpg

Jacob_Royer
08-23-2017, 04:41 PM
https://vgy.me/Y9bKtr.jpg

Mounted my derale 19 row stacked plate trans cooler and routed the hoses

kenewagner
08-24-2017, 08:39 AM
Just from here up

https://vgy.me/yTywKi.jpg

You should have rerouted the lower water hose below the belt. I dont understand why ford ran it through the belt.

Ken

Jacob_Royer
08-24-2017, 09:02 AM
You should have rerouted the lower water hose below the belt. I dont understand why ford ran it through the belt.

Ken


I have always hated that. I guess I could get one of those flexible hoses and come up with something

kenewagner
08-24-2017, 09:17 AM
I have always hated that. I guess I could get one of those flexible hoses and come up with something

Good time to do it while you are rebuilding.

Jacob_Royer
08-24-2017, 10:07 AM
Everytime I look at it I find another little thing I need to do lol I spent alot of time just figuring out /simplifying vacuum lines.

DrFishbone
08-24-2017, 10:41 AM
I have always hated that. I guess I could get one of those flexible hoses and come up with something



I haven't installed it yet, but I think this is the way to go....probably not much more expensive than buying new molded rubber hoses either!

http://www.allpurposepipes.com/oil-coolers/flexible-stainless-steel-radiator-hose-p-703.html?osCsid=8a487861b8a5d754a53b52d35cfe8b08

kenewagner
08-24-2017, 12:06 PM
Im surprised more guys dont address that. Draining a radiator just to change a belt is not one of Fords better ideas

Jacob_Royer
08-24-2017, 02:34 PM
Im surprised more guys dont address that. Draining a radiator just to change a belt is not one of Fords better ideas



Yeah I had to do this on the side of the road in the hood once it's not cool

Jacob_Royer
08-25-2017, 04:27 PM
Converter is on the way back from Alabama and all the transmission parts came in. Next Saturday Randy is coming out to weld up / fab fmic pipes

Jacob_Royer
08-25-2017, 04:35 PM
https://vgy.me/yCbfr2.jpg

Had to send it to ptc for hub replacement

davec73
08-25-2017, 09:22 PM
Jacob I just used a flex hose it works great

Jacob_Royer
08-26-2017, 01:40 PM
https://vgy.me/amk0PH.jpg


Wow! That is service!! They called me yesterday and told me it was done today it's on my porch!

davec73
08-26-2017, 04:12 PM
https://vgy.me/amk0PH.jpg


Wow! That is service!! They called me yesterday and told me it was done today it's on my porch!
Thats awesome, see you next saturday for project Giterdun!

Jacob_Royer
08-26-2017, 11:03 PM
Thats awesome, see you next saturday for project Giterdun!

Sounds good looking forward to getting this going!

Jacob_Royer
08-27-2017, 05:44 AM
Thats awesome, see you next saturday for project Giterdun!

Make sure and bring your smoke tester Dave!

Jacob_Royer
09-03-2017, 03:02 PM
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Thanks to Randy Hunerkoch, Dave Clarke and Dan Thornsberry lots of progress was made yesterday!

Jacob_Royer
09-04-2017, 04:53 AM
https://vgy.me/zdZpEt.jpg

These are good for 5rwhp!

https://vgy.me/BPHt2x.jpg


Got the trans lines bent and installed today also got the tb installed. Still need to top off fluids, install rear diff and exhaust and I am waiting on some 3" to 2.75 couplers

David Neibert
09-05-2017, 12:13 PM
Jacob,

Is that a stock driveshaft ?

David

DrFishbone
09-05-2017, 12:22 PM
Did you already order your 3" to 2.75" couplers, Jacob? :o

I could use a couple too...lol... the 2.75" straights will fit onto the IC though...just tight. Should do for now though.

I see where you need one....lol :p

Jacob_Royer
09-05-2017, 06:52 PM
Did you already order your 3" to 2.75" couplers, Jacob? :o

I could use a couple too...lol... the 2.75" straights will fit onto the IC though...just tight. Should do for now though.

I see where you need one....lol :p



Yes I ordered them twice so I will likely have extral lol

Jacob_Royer
09-05-2017, 06:54 PM
Jacob,

Is that a stock driveshaft ?

David



Yes that is on my agenda to replace next year. Going to have Clarke's guy make me a 4" alluminun shaft. I actually had a 4r70w shaft in it last few years because my aod had a crown vic tailhousing which is longer which was resolved with the new transmission

Jacob_Royer
09-06-2017, 08:00 PM
https://vgy.me/TDdqFg.jpg

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3" to 2.75 " couplers arrived today! Smoke tested it no leaks! Also got new u joints and driveshaft installed and rear diff back on. Very close to starting it

Ira R.
09-07-2017, 02:48 PM
Looks like a monster. Looking forward to seeing what the power level is and if you can stick that to the track.

Jacob_Royer
09-07-2017, 08:49 PM
Looks like a monster. Looking forward to seeing what the power level is and if you can stick that to the track.



Thanks I can't wait either! Started it today and has a massive coolant leak anf fuel leak at the taink I have to figure out but it ran lol

Jacob_Royer
09-09-2017, 03:42 AM
https://vgy.me/YEZRCa.jpg


Leaks fixed
On the ground
Moves back and forth so trans works


Just need a trip to the exhaust shop to put v band clamps on and it will be ready to rock n roll

davec73
09-09-2017, 07:44 AM
https://vgy.me/YEZRCa.jpg


Leaks fixed
On the ground
Moves back and forth so trans works


Just need a trip to the exhaust shop to put v band clamps on and it will be ready to rock n roll

Looks like you need to put the wiper cowls on if the supercharger is low on oil you need to put some in it.

DrFishbone
09-11-2017, 08:25 AM
Nice work, Jacob! :)

Jacob_Royer
09-11-2017, 08:38 PM
Took it for a spin today to schedule an appt with the exhaust shop even with alot of timming pulled out 1/2 throttle is stupid

Jacob_Royer
09-13-2017, 05:30 PM
Exhaust is fixed! Quarterhorse took a dump on me they replaced it for free should be here friday so i can start tuning! Drove it a little and its pretty stupid at part throttle

Jacob_Royer
09-14-2017, 12:19 AM
https://vgy.me/nk3qoj.jpg

DrFishbone
09-14-2017, 09:23 AM
Your reflection makes this picture epic. :D

Kurt K
09-14-2017, 11:45 AM
Your reflection makes this picture epic. :DHe looks like he is really concentrating:D

DrFishbone
09-14-2017, 12:24 PM
:d :d :d :d :d :d

67700

Jacob_Royer
09-14-2017, 09:08 PM
:d :d :d :d :d :d

67700


Lmfao it should be enough!

Jacob_Royer
09-17-2017, 03:47 AM
https://vgy.me/IFzXwb.jpg

First attempt at data logging resulted in a blown injector
O ring and massive fuel leak :( gotta unload it tommrow and hopefully I can fix it without pulling the blower

DrFishbone
09-18-2017, 11:58 AM
First attempt at data logging resulted in a blown injector
O ring and massive fuel leak :( gotta unload it tommrow and hopefully I can fix it without pulling the blower

Gotta have some sort of issues now, so it'll be smooth-sailing for the Shootout!! :) Just don't burn your car down!! :(

I might be saving my issues FOR the Shootout this time...lol.

Jacob_Royer
09-19-2017, 01:00 AM
Found the culprit for the fuel leak! Fixed and ready for some tunning tommrow!


https://vgy.me/Ss35DF.jpg

DrFishbone
09-19-2017, 07:00 AM
Sweet...glad you caught that quick!! :eek:

ricardoa1
09-19-2017, 03:18 PM
How did that happen, you must have cut the oring putting it all in?

BLOWN38
09-19-2017, 10:18 PM
Needed some grease to slide on in.:D

Jacob_Royer
09-20-2017, 01:21 AM
https://vgy.me/OgJn6e.jpg


And today my passenger side header does this!


https://vgy.me/CfoRR9.jpg


Hopefully repair holds.. Paper thin metal smfh hell of a time welding it

https://vgy.me/M63ulS.jpg

rzimmerl
09-20-2017, 08:25 AM
Those headers look in pretty rough shape just by the look of the coating and the external rust spots.

ricardoa1
09-20-2017, 08:52 AM
https://vgy.me/OgJn6e.jpg


And today my passenger side header does this!


https://vgy.me/CfoRR9.jpg


Hopefully repair holds.. Paper thin metal smfh hell of a time welding it

https://vgy.me/M63ulS.jpg


Dayum and here I am complaining.

Good job fixing it.

Jacob_Royer
09-20-2017, 02:16 PM
Rattle can coating so that's why it looks like crap. Thumped around on them they feel solid still ohh well guess I will have to find some new ones after shootout. What's more money at this point...

rzimmerl
09-20-2017, 02:41 PM
Ya know that feeling about money spent $500+ on PTFE fuel lines and fittings to redo the fuel system last night.....:(

Tim Groth
09-20-2017, 03:29 PM
Same thing happened to mine on the way to the shootout in 2014. I determined it was where the EGR hookup was capped off and finally became stressed and blew apart.

Perhaps you recall Vining and I using Beer Cans to patch things up :D. Bud Light Ritas are about a perfect fit!

67726

-Tim

DrFishbone
09-20-2017, 04:07 PM
Ha...I remember that, Tim....you rednecks. :D

Jacob_Royer
09-20-2017, 08:06 PM
Damn... Now that you say that I know that's what happened because the egr fitting is gone lol I completely forgot about it



Same thing happened to mine on the way to the shootout in 2014. I determined it was where the EGR hookup was capped off and finally became stressed and blew apart.

Perhaps you recall Vining and I using Beer Cans to patch things up :D. Bud Light Ritas are about a perfect fit!

67726

-Tim

Tim Groth
09-20-2017, 09:32 PM
Took me a while to realize what exactly had happened and let's just say mine has a similar repair 😁.

-Tim

Jacob_Royer
09-20-2017, 10:33 PM
Still rocking the beer can repair? Lol I used a 1 7/8 coupler split in half perfect radius to go over the pipe and tigged it on

Jacob_Royer
09-22-2017, 09:26 PM
Put about 40 miles on it today. More tunning AFR is very safe and its stupid quick with only 16deg of timing in it. Gotta few little things to put back on the car then i think i am going to commute it a few days and data log tweak on the tune etc.

Jacob_Royer
09-24-2017, 12:26 AM
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My new plate arrived today sweet!

DrFishbone
09-25-2017, 12:39 PM
I like it!
:cool:

Jacob_Royer
09-25-2017, 11:43 PM
https://vgy.me/R3mAiK.jpg


Drove the SC to work (50 miles) no issues at all love the new setup! It lives up to the new plate really well :)

Jacob_Royer
09-27-2017, 09:07 AM
https://vgy.me/gzRt4k.jpg



Really enjoying this thing!

Tim Groth
09-27-2017, 09:19 AM
Still rocking the beer can repair? Lol I used a 1 7/8 coupler split in half perfect radius to go over the pipe and tigged it on

I took it to the local muffler shop and had them weld some steel over the hole in a similar way as yours. :D

Like the new tags also!

-Tim

davec73
09-27-2017, 09:28 AM
https://vgy.me/gzRt4k.jpg



Really enjoying this thing!
Very happy for you buddy

Jacob_Royer
09-27-2017, 10:58 AM
I took it to the local muffler shop and had them weld some steel over the hole in a similar way as yours. :D

Like the new tags also!

-Tim

Thanks man! I am super happy with it. Burnouts on command!

Jacob_Royer
10-04-2017, 01:35 AM
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Washed glazed and waxed today

DrFishbone
10-04-2017, 08:07 AM
Looking good, Jacob!!! :cool::cool::cool:

kenewagner
10-04-2017, 08:44 AM
Very Very Nice

Ken

Jacob_Royer
10-06-2017, 06:45 AM
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Jacob_Royer
10-08-2017, 03:28 PM
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I would have liked to see more but....Looking at the data logs the highest HP pull they only hit 5850rpm and thats just when it really starts to get interesting. Also looks like i had a little belt slip. I found quite a bit of belt dust after the Dyno. But we got enough good information to get the AFR where it needs to be so all is good there.

Jacob_Royer
10-08-2017, 04:09 PM
https://vgy.me/8NcrDA.jpg



Ouch this thing needs to go on a diet

DrFishbone
10-09-2017, 12:44 PM
Butt dyno says >>400rwhp! ;):D

Jacob_Royer
10-15-2017, 08:39 AM
https://youtu.be/I5L3DiGuD7Y