New info on 2002 MN-12 National! Update.

[Boostman23]

Location decided look futher down for all info on the 2002 MN-12 National meet!






Just so everyone knows. I am still working out the details of where the 2002 meet will be, and possibly when. It seems that most places are booked in the labor day time frame or they are closed. Some questions for those that will attend.

1) What do you want to see at the meet? IE dyno, road course, dragstrip, burnout contest, car show, BBQ? Let me know what you guys want out of the meet.

2)How important is the labor day weekend to everyone? Woukld another date be ok with everyone?

3) how many would like to see the triple threat idea be reality? There seems to be enough people in each of the 3 regions that this could be possible, or maybe have 3 mini-national meets, and 1 large one every 4 or 5 years.

4) I assume everyone wants the National meet to be a MN-12 meet only, basically no piggy backing another meet, correct?

Thanks to all that have lent their help. I am trying to get this all togther, but it is diffuclt!

[Thomas A]

Hey Rob. Thanks for all the time you spend working on this. Here is what I think as far as your questions.

1. Drag Strip, Car Show, BBQ is always good, and gotta have a Burnout Contest!

2. Labor day is kinda nice cuz it's a three day weekend, and maybe it will start to cool off a little anyway.

3. Triple threat might not be too bad of an idea really. As long as they are far enough apart, such as Las Vegas, Kansas City, Philidelpha.

4. I have to agree with this. MN12's only, unless there are some fox birds that want to join in.

[8ate8]

i would love for a 'mn-12 triple threat'.. more people would be willing to travel to it if it wasn't as far. people like me.. if the meet was out west, i probably wouldn't go, but if it was in philly or pitt or anywhere else in the NE, i'd have more of a chance of getting there.

[gldiii]

I still like the Labor Day weekend, since everyone had voted on it before. I also like the idea of one "National Meet" in one place that rotates areas from year to year. To me, that is the definition of "National Meet!"

But, I see nothing wrong with the SCCoA Chapters setting up regional meets for people in the same area to get together. Big oranizations like the Hot Rodders have several regional meets leading up to their national event. I just do not want several small events taking place of one national event. Hopefully, this year we could get some magazine coverage. We have many cars worthy of magazine exposure and more coming each year!

People seem to like to have a dragstrip available and the dyno sessions are also very popular. I enjoyed the technical presentations at OKC. They probably should be held earlier in the day. LOL It is also nice to have one big food event either at night or at lunch for everyone to get together. Those big prize giveaways are nice as well!

I know these things are a bear to put together and I do appreciate your efforts. In the end not everyone will be completely satisfied, but hopefully we can continue to get a larger and larger group together each year.

[Pablo94SC]

I've seen alot of good responses already. Here's my view.

1. The club decided Labor Day. It's a good holiday weekend, but the one problem is that it seems EVERYONE is traveling at that time. I would love it to stay on Labor Day, but if it needs to be change to arrange for other items (drag strip, dynos, etc) then so be it. Sometimes it's easier to travel (and take time off) on non-holiday weekends.

2. Let's keep it one big meet for now. I'm not saying don't have a regional meet the same day, but try to avoid it. Example: the Nationals are in Cali, so if the NE guys that can't come have a meet, let's not affiliate it with the National meet. Am I making any sense?

3. Drag Strip is nice to have, but even an 1/8 mile track is better than none. It gives us a chance to practice launches and get tips from more experienced drivers. It doesn't have to be for bragging rights. Heck, even a LARGE empty parking lot would be fun. Set up some cones and have fun.

Dyno's should be a definite. If it rains we can all be indoors, watch the session, talk shop, and learn more about tuning. Just plain fun.

Dinner's are nice. Maybe a catered thing, or a buffet.. some of us (me) are BBQ snobs. That way we can have burgers, spaghetti, pizza, burritos, whatever.

4. Please, let's not piggy-back a bunch of different car groups. MN-12 and related (Mark VII-VIII, Fox Body Birds/Cats) cars are ok, but let's leave the GTP's and such out. Not that I don't like other cars, but it can get confusing/frustrating quickly with different cars in the mix. Too much brand/model loyalty out there. :)

Just my $.02. Hope that helps,

Paul

[Melon01]

1. BBQ would be cool.. Burnout contest a must. I know alot of people that would want to do that.

2. The weekend doesn't matter to me. Just need enough notice so I have enough $$ to get me through the weekend.

3. Triple threat would be better because then more meets mean less traveling distance for everyone. But like every 3 years, have a huge meet.

4. Just MN-12's and Foxes

-Andy "Melon"

[Nettlesd]

I agree with George, in that, we should only have one "National Meet" a year and not some triple thing going on. I believe it would be confusing for SCPerformance or SCCoA personnel. Which meet would they attend? If they attend X meet then the people at Y and Z are left out. Anyway, we want one "National Meet" so that the companies that support our vechicles can attend and showcase their products or services. I don't think that would work with three meets going on.

How about we split the nation up into three sections, West, Central and East? Each year we alternate between the regions. Since last year was in OKC, the Central part, the next meet would be in the West or East. Each year we rotate the regions and then vote on the city in that region to hold the event.

I understand that people from each region would not be able to come, such as, people from the East would probably not go to the event in the West. But remember, by rotating regions the event will be held somewhere in your region giving you an opportunity to attend. This will not appease everyone but it could be a fair solution with a common understanding. Kind of like, "dinner at my house this week and dinner at your house next week".

Everyone could vote on where to draw the lines for splitting up the nation.

[David Neibert]

Rob:

I like the Labor Day Weekend but if we can't get on a track I would rather switch the dates than not have one.

All the things we had in OKC that George already mentioned should be included if possible. Something for everyone.

Thanks for all your efforts.

David

[Pablo94SC]

Memphis is open for the Labor Day weekend (31,1,2nd) if we do decide to move it. I just wanted to throw that out so you have one less place to look for open dates. Here's the URL: www.memphismotorsports.com/ (http://www.memphismotorsports.com/)

Here's the rental info on the site: www.memphismotorsports.co...ental.html (http://www.memphismotorsports.com/html/track_rental.html)

I do want to mention that the shop I know of with a dyno isn't all that great, but I'm sure we could fix that. :) Welp.. look forward to seeing everyone this year! Later,

Paul

[Thomas A]

The more I think about it, the more I am agianst a triple threat thing. It would just be like having regional meets at the same time. Regional meets can be had anytime during the year, and even several times during the year. The national meet should be a once a year, one location meet. I really hate to say this, becuase it really seems selfish, but Heartland in Topeka(close to KC) is open Labor day weekend. Sorry, I know, everyone wants it in thier own backyard, but I just thought I'd let you know. Thanks agian for your all the work you put into this. Later.

Thomas

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[Boostman23]

Heartland park is already booked!

[Guinta]

Joliet Illinois is near the center of the country and we have a HUGE 2 year old dragstrip with chicago close by. We also have some of the best nightlife, the only problem is I'm not sure if they are booked and I know it books early. If for anything else this might be a good location for the future at least but I just thought I'd throw it out there......oh yeah in 2 years we get a fully functional "countryclub of cars" street course with garages 3 road corses and everything else you have ever dreamed.

[Thomas A]

Hey, if it would end up in Joliet, isn't that where the new NASCAR Chicago track is. I've heard other people say for a small fee, you can take a few laps around the track. That would be sooo awesome, and another great thing to do at Nationals! My bad Rob, I didn't check close enough on Heartland. Thanks again.

Thomas

[Boostman23]

Joliet is booked as well.

I am looking into possiblities at Osceola Dragway (http://www.osceoladragway.com) or <a href="http://www.us131motorsportspark.com">
US 131 Motorsport Park</a>. If I can get one of these locations down then the meet would be held in Elkhart, Indiana, which would keep us in Indiana since that is what was voted on.

I will not get a solid answer till March for US 131, Osceola I could have something by tonight. Here is a comparison of both drag strips:

Osceola Dragway:
Is 8 minutes from the Official Hotel. The track itself is pretty nice, it's IHRA certified. It's fairly cheap to rent (cost per racer would probably be less than $25). We'd have from early morning until mid-afternoon to race.

The downside of this track is that currently it does NOT have a "scoreboard" to show times/speed. They announce every race time/speed on the PA system, though... and they do have "plans" to put the scoreboard in (no guarantees). The other downside is the facilities aren't that great. I'm talking about 7-row-high wooden "grandstands" that only go about 1/2 way down the track (you can't access on foot past the 1/2 way mark), the buildings are old pole buildings. The facilities are FUNCTIONAL but just not the prettiest in the world. But again the TRACK ITSELF is nice.

Us 131 Motorsport Park:

This is a BRAND NEW facility... IHRA certified and will have several BIG races (including a Super Chevy Show and a Summit Drag Racing Series event-- The "CARQUEST Northern Nationals".)

They've also said it will compare to Route 66 or Indianapolis Raceway Park. Huge aluminum grandstands, a 4-story press booth with luxury suites, etc. A better track surface and it of course will have scoreboards, etc. This place is AMAZING. Superb track, superb facilities.

This will cost more (probably closer to $35 per racer). The main issue is that the track is 1 hour drive. Nice scenic roads and it will be a really fun caravan thru a couple smaller towns but still it's over an hour away.

The time of the drive doesn't intefere with other events ... the only issue would be whether people want to drive that far to race.

Now all I am waiting on is an answer from either track. As for other stuff available to us;

Here is a link to the town: Elkhart (http://www.elkhartindiana.org/)
Plenty of hotels here for us to stay at, look at rates to be between $50-$60 per night.

Dyno info: Angel Automotive (http://www.angelautomotive.com)
Price should be about the same as in 2001, about $50 a car depending on numbew of cars particapating. Only 15 mins from hotel area.

Road Course: Gingerman Raceway (http://www.gingermanraceway.com)
Price would be between $50 and $100, need to get more details on this, as the track is located near the US 131 Drag Strip.

Look for more info to follow soon!

[Thomas A]

Sounds decent. I checked with KCIR and they only have Sunday and Monday open on that weekend. Anyway, just thought I'd pass that along. Later

Thomas

[Boostman23]

Looks like Osceola will be the drag strip. We will have the track on saturday available to us all day. For those that want to run on friday it is open from 4- dark, and also again on Sunday from 8-5.

Hopefully they will have the clock times board up, but if not the times and speed will be announced.

There will be a chance for those that want a cash payout available in the Gamblers run that will be setup. For all other MN-12 we will have our own class, as the track will be open to all that wish to use it, but this will keep or costs down!

Should know on the dyno, and road course early next week, so keep checking back for info.

[Pablo94SC]

You said open to all. Hopefully it won't be like Memphis is on Test&Tune, an hour between each pass. Oh well, we'll find out soon enough. :)

Paul

[Boostman23]

Well the dyno session will be on Friday the 30th. We will have the shop for the entire day 7am-5pm. The cost will be $50 for each person, and each person will get 3 pulls on the dyno. The dyno will also include the wideband O2 setup for no additional cost.

The max number of cars that will be able to run the dyno will be 25, so if you want to definitely use the dyno please respond to the post and i will add you to the list.

I was unable to get the dyno on the weekend as the personnel at the shop will be gone for the Labor day weekend, so if there is a need of more slots, there will be some available on Thursday the 29th.

Dyno List:
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1) Rob Whitt
2) Tony Serno
3) Glenn Huber
4) David Neibert
5) Keith Deluca(Vic)
6) Gary evanoff Jr.
7) Chris Wzenheimer
:cool: Todd D.

Possible List:
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1) Paul Matthews
2) Thomas A
3) Chris Spanel
4) Peter Dennis

[ToddDrefcinski]

I'd like to dyno at the meet in Indiana. Put me on that list please. I'll see you guys there!

[Vic Rattlehead]

"You said open to all. Hopefully it won't be like Memphis is on Test&Tune, an hour between each pass. Oh well, we'll find out soon enough. Paul "


well dont you want some cool down time??? Ive gone to the track 2 times since october and both times there was at the most 10 cars in the staging langes waiting, yet i still sat the car for about an hour between runs. there were a few times where there was no one running for like 5 minutes caues everyone was cooling down.

[Wzenheimer]

Add me to the dyno as well.

Christopher Wise


Thanks
Chris

[tbird88]

Sorry to be blunt...
No need to be snotty about the ideas presented as far as 'triple threat' is concerned. The snide remarks could've been posted under the triple threat thread instead of hidden here.

It was an idea, thought I presented it rather well, but looks like a few didn't read/understand it with an open mind. Sure Carlisle is great, but only for the ones that will ever afford to make it that far. Put yourself in other enthusiasts shoes.
Crud, I'm repeating already.

Just read my original post again & let it sink in before ya start gripin'. In this day & age, I don't think you realize how many participants are left out (until my post sinks in).

'bird

[Boostman23]

The triple threat is a good idea, but I tend to think like Davenport does, that to be a "National" meet, then only one needs to be there. It might be a good idea to setup regional events for those that can't attend the Nationals for that year. There already was a southwestern national in febuary, which to me would fall into the regional meet idea, since the Nationals will be held in Indiana this year.

[Pablo94SC]

No offense intended to ya about the triple threat. Regional meets on the same date are a good idea. But, IMHO, to get the most participants & sponsors there needs to be one official National Meet.

Vic: Yeah, cool down time is good, but I hate waiting over an hour to make my next past. Between my second and third run I waited almost two hours!! <ugh> Plus, if we have enough people attend a good cool down time will be there. Plus Ice is always available nearby. :)

Paul Matthews - for those who'd like to know.

PS: Where do I send my registration fees?

[Boostman23]

I agree on not having regional meets the same time as the National Meet, I was just stating that the idea of regional meets is a good thing.

As for the drag strip, usually the strip isn't open on Saturdays, so hopefully we will have it all to ourselfs!

[Scott Long]

I am damn near local for Elkhart. This is great. I don't even need to book a hotel room because I live so close. I think many of us would like to go to the test and tune on friday night, since its mostly ricers, fox body stangs, and old classic muscle cars. You can get a lot of good runs if you get there right around 4:00pm. I'll even bring some buddies of mine down on Friday night.

After the test and tune on Friday, some of the younger guys might want to follow me down to McKinley avenue to cruise, pick up girls, etc... Then we can cruise back to the hotel and party....

I probably won't have my SC built by then, so I'll bring my Audi.

This sounds like its gonna be fun. And the best part is its only a 45 minute drive for me.

Osceola is kind of a "billy track" but its still fun. Too bad you have to go through the water box. Or try to drive through the gravel. Well on saturday we can have them not spray the water except for the guys with slicks.

-Scott-
2 SC's and an Audi

[Boostman23]

Scott,

Would you be interested in helping setup the event? If so email me.

[TBKHomeworld]

Well, since i'm moving to California I am now out of the running to go. I was looking forward to going, but I'm not going to be able to drive that far w/as little vacation time as i'm gonna have.

Maybe next year!!!

[Vic Rattlehead]

is it here yet???

[pdennis93]

ill help too, if im indiana this summer, i may be out in conneticut