GP for Custom Rods and Pistons?

[plev72]

Hey guys, this is more of a get info than an actually group purchase at the moment. I know that there are a number of you out there with blown engines (like me!). I want to do a high end rebuild. I'd like to get pistons and rods rated for at least 500-550 hp (which should be over 400 at the wheels). I saw that one of the guys had gotten custom 6.2" rods. From what I'm reading, we are much better off going with longer rods this style. I was wondering if there is interest out there (and if anyone might have a POC) to try and get some kind of a group discount on high-performance rods and custom pistons... we could discuss compression ratio, but I'd figure probably somewhere around 8.5 or 8.7:1 and I'd lean towards the 6.2" rods. Anyway, just a thought, please give feedback if you would be interested in doing something like this, or if you have contacts for someone who could actually make this happen.
Thanks,
Paul

[SupachargedSC]

Contact ROSS Racing Pistons www.rosspistons.com They make awsome custom pistons and I believe a few of the people on the fastest SC list are already running them. If you want to get a group buy on pistons going them I am in.

[v6stanger]

I am up for a set of custom made ones. i will be using Eagel I beam rods for a 351w and need some made up.

Keep us updated after you contact Ross.

Thanks,

Zach

[plev72]

How long are the rods you are going with? I'm hoping to pick up some 6.2" or possibly a little bit longer if we can fit them. I won't be able to dig a lot for group by details on pistons until I get my engine taken apart (hopefully next week) 'cause it will probably have to be bored some :-(

After that I hope to get things done fairly quickly.

I figure with 4 sets we should start to get more promising as that would be 3 x 8 and should involve a reduction of labor on their part.

paul

[v6stanger]

The rods I am using are 5.956 i beleive.

Zach

[plev72]

Did you see the combination SC rods and pistons @ 5.96 (ish) on... I Think it was supersix? Not on my computer so I don't have the link handy, but they wanted $1050 for the Rods and the Pistons which I didn't think was too bad. My car was towed to the shop today, hopefully I will get feedback by sometime next week. I am planning on finding out what the max length they recommend is and trying to go with something very close to that... if I can go 6.3 or 6.4 I probably will - depending on how cost prohibitive it is.

[nanatothesixth]

I'm interested! since i'm building a new motor pattireck@aol.com thanks!

[v8killr]

Does anyone have any new info or a update if this is going to happen?

[plev72]

There will be a group buy on rods/rings/pistons, final details are being worked out, but info will be available in the next day or two. From what I'm seeing regarding pricing it will be something definately worth checking out.

Paul

[nanatothesixth]

i'm looking forward to it ! my engine is all torn down!

[BT Motorsports]

Guys, I will have the page and details posted over the weekend. You can all thank Paul (plev72) and his persistance for this;)

Paul

[v6stanger]

i already have the rods and pistons but i am interested in waht piston rings are being offered and if I can buy those?

Thanks,

Zach

[donnie189]

I' certainly consider a purchase if the price is good.



Donnie189@webtv.net

[plev72]

Sorry to be a bit slow on keeping up with this post guys, I'm actually in DC at the moment job interviewing (looks promising). Paul and I have spent a great deal of time discussing plans for the GP and it seems to me that he has come up with a great deal both in terms of quality and in terms of pricing. I will definately be in on this purchase. Paul has promised final details on this GP ASAP (which is great because I'd really love to have my car back together one of these days).

Thanks for your patience,

Paul

[plev72]

Sorry guys, this group purchase is not dead... just stalled for a bit. Paul has promised to get everything sorted and settled as soon as possible. He wants to be able to answer all pertinent questions regarding the rod/piston combo prior to the details to the group buy being posted. Price has apparently already been established, but there is apparently some discussion or something is unclear regarding the compression ratio.

Paul

[Randy N Connie]

What will the weight of the pistons be?
Are They are forged?
How much will the wrist pins weigh,
What are the wrist pins made of?
Will the wrist pins be flowting or a press fit?
Will the pistons & wrist pins come with spiral locks or can I get buttons?
How much will the rods weigh?
what shape will the rods be?
What are the rods made of?
What will be the finish on the rods be?
What is the bran name of the rods,& pistons?
How long will this GP take?
Will I have to wait untill GP is over to receive the parts?

thanks randy

[BT Motorsports]

Ok, I have been reluctant to start the buy sooner as originally planned due to a few questions I didn't or don't have answers to. The following info will get the buy started and unanswered or additional questions will be answered ASAP.

What will the weight of the pistons be?
Are They are forged? Yes
How much will the wrist pins weigh?
What are the wrist pins made of?
Will the wrist pins be floating or a press fit? Floating
Will the pistons & wrist pins come with spiral locks or can I get buttons? spiral locks
How much will the rods weigh?
what shape will the rods be? Hbeam
What are the rods made of? 4340 forging
What will be the finish on the rods be?
What is the brand name of the rods,& pistons? Pistons are Diamond Racing, rods are TBD
How long will this GP take? Buy will begin Friday July 11th and close Monday July 28th. Approximate ship date will be 2 weeks from the close of the buy.
Will I have to wait untill GP is over to receive the parts? Approximate ship date will be 2 weeks from the close of the buy. Pistons will be built to order and as a result will determine the length of time till shipment.


There is more information which is being compiled and will be added as the day progresses. An html page will be posted today with more information and payment info. Cost for the purchase will be as follows:
1-4 sets $924.99 + shipping
5+ sets $842.96 + shipping
8+ sets $825.95 + shipping
Included in each set will be 6 pistons, 6 pins with spiro locks, 6 rods and a complete total seal ring set. Pistons will be pre machined to accept pins. Options will include Swain coating as well as bearings and roller rockers at a discounted rate (TBA).

Paul

Payment accepted will be Paypal, certified check or money order.

[Valentino]

Will the piston and rods be made per individual specs? Or will we all have to agree on the overbore sizing on pistons and rod length?

Val

[plev72]

tentatively pistons will be .030 over

[nanatothesixth]

are the bolts for the connecting rod end cap machined serew bolt,or machined bolt & nut? are the bolts made by ARP, etc. also is the coating your talking about, is that for high temp. like for nitrous application? thanks

[BT Motorsports]

Will the piston and rods be made per individual specs? Or will we all have to agree on the overbore sizing on pistons and rod length? Rod length is fixed, over bore size should be selectable by the purchaser. I will have confirmation on this Monday.

are the bolts for the connecting rod end cap machined serew bolt,or machined bolt & nut? are the bolts made by ARP, etc. 8740 cap screws (210,000 PSI tensile strength). also is the coating your talking about, is that for high temp. like for nitrous application? thanksYes, the swain coating which I am now a dealer for is a ceramic coating that goes on the top of the piston to protect against detonation. I have ran this coating for over 10 years without fail. Details on swain coatings may be found at www.swaintech.com

[plev72]

I'm in (obviously) I'll take the coating as well... I'll take whatever insurance I can get that this motor won't blow itself up AGAIN. I think the shop said that I can get away with going .020 over, but I'm thinking perhaps I should go .030 over just to be safe? They said that they won't start boring the block until they get the pistons anyway :-)

Paul

[Valentino]

Has the rod length been determined yet?


Can an individual order a shorter length piston as well if needed? Thinking of building a stroked 3.8 that would require a shorter length piston than a regular hipo build-up.

Val

[plev72]

Think the answer to the rod-length question is 5.956 (??) Paul will confirm next time he checks the board. Paul - we need a link to your website as soon as it is up. Also, I think once you have finalized details we should create a new GP board listing all the details and giving us space for a simple yes or no... also how much the additional cost is for the swain coating. We REALLY need to have 5 people in on this purchase in order to make it worthwhile as that is where the biggest price-point-break appears to be. Considering that this is including the rods, pistons, etc etc... looks to be a VERY good deal to me. Know you are busy Paul, but please respond ASAP with link/details so that we can get folks signed up and give them a better idea of when this will roll along. Think we have 3 definates so far?? So looks like we need two more to make this a great deal instead of just a good deal.

Paul

[DLF]

Assuming I can get 8.5 CR .20 over pistons, with matching rings, rods, and hopefully bearings through this GP, you can count me in.

I'm in a bit of a hurry, so contact me directly if you need any info from me.

[nanatothesixth]

are the rods ready to be droped in or do they need to be machined to fit the lower end just right? are these rods the 351 windsor rods? thanks!

[Randy N Connie]

I would like to see a picture of the piston tops.

And then I will get in on the GP.

And I allso don't have much time.Need in a week or two.

I may be interrested in the rocker arms.

Don't need the Swain coatings as I have been a dealer for the
coatings for well over 10 years.I beleive they are some of the best
coatings because of the controlled application.

randy

[BT Motorsports]

I will be posting a new thread with a link to the group buy page later today when I get back to the office. I havent posted this buy up as of yet due to having my server down for maintance. Look for the link and pictures tonight.


Paul

[DLF]

Is this going to happen, or not? I need to get going now.

[plev72]

the group buy is definately on... looks like Paul just has a bit on his plate right now. Hopefully we'll get that link and new post in the very near future.

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

I have the same rods and pistons Paul will be offering for the group buygoing into my new motor. I also have the Swain Gold top coating on the top of the pistons as well as there low friction coating son the skirt. Diamond makes a nice piston and the rods should hold up to most of what you may plan on throwing at them..Also I went with a complete Swain tech coating treatment on my heads as well as my headers and intake manifold....the package is worth price..I know what it cost me :O)

[BT Motorsports]

Here is the link, I am fixing the broken links and adding the rest of the text in right now. Time hasnt been kind to me the past 2 weeks which has slowed this down considerably. Fortunately, everything is now back to normal and this can proceed as planned. I will add a new post after I fix the broken links as well.

Paul

http://www.bluetonguemotorsports.com/BTMParts/3_8PistonRodGP.html

[DLF]

Paul,

There have been discussions in other threads about 351W rods and rod bearings.

Can we use SC rod bearings, or are 351W bearings needed?

Are any radius, or other, modifications going to be required to the rods?

[ScrapSC]

wondering what is going on with this deal...... what does it all include??? I am looking to build up an engine for a 90 aod SC that I have and want to do it right the first time... This sounds like the ticket...