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[tim]

In the latest issue of Car Craft on page 20 is the top ten list. Number ten is. " Speculationabout exactly what kind of Thunderbird fanatic joins the Super Coupe Club of America". I guess that would be us.

[Kurt K]

Are you talking about the June issue? My page 20 doesn't list your quote, but does say "In five years these cars will be recognized for the awesome raw material they are."

[motocross_masta]

I wanna see both those pages, does ne1 have them and have a scanner or camera to upload them?

[tim]

Its in the july issue.

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

hmm this seems like the kind of material that makes us WRITE to the editor..Maybe they need to go to a real SC that the titanic..But thinkof it this way..Maybe our cars arnt fats musclecars out of the box..But most old musclecars wernt either....So whos getting the info so we can slam email them!!

[tim]

Maybe we should send some e-mails to them. Its carcraft@primedia.com I didnt buy my car fast I had to build it that way. I like car craft but they never have given us the recogination that we deserve. Maybe its time.

[JAFO]

Originally posted by tim
In the latest issue of Car Craft on page 20 is the top ten list. Number ten is. " Speculationabout exactly what kind of Thunderbird fanatic joins the Super Coupe Club of America". I guess that would be us.

What exactly does it say, and what is the topic of the top 10? Sounds pretty crappy for them to call out SC owners like that. What gives? Someone run over the editor's dog? Someone want to?

[tim]

What bugs me is that we never get mentioned as a club, they never feature a Coupe and now a snyde remark. Tim

[Vernon]

What's the catagory? Top ten things

[AsScLoWn]

need a scan of the page:D

if so, a Car Craft bashing thread has to be started at once and forwarded to all the editors:)

trust me, theres nothing else one can possibly do:D

[XR7 Dave]

Would someone please post what was in there? Top ten what?????? I don't subscribe, and NONE of the mag stands around here carry Car Craft.

Thanks.

[tim]

I would love to send it but I dont have a scanner. Tim

[motocross_masta]

Sum1 should rite in and ask where they live LOL... and how many pets they have.... Has nebody written in yet? Cuz i'm very tempted to.... i think i might rite after this.

(Add-on)
Ok, I HAVE NOT SENT THIS YET because i want to make sure this would be ok considering what i write represents our club. If this looks like it'll be ok, someone post a reply and I'll send it from my account and pass on the message to this thread when i get a response Here is what i have so-far:

There seems to be some fur flying on the Super Coupe Club of America forum site. Must be an article on Page 20 in your July issue, your top ten list that includes ,"Speculation about exactly what kind of Thunderbird fanatic joins the Super Coupe Club of America." I think several people might have been offended. I would reccomend that someone there reads over the thread where everyone has been talking about it... and maybe take a look around the site to see why a Thunderbird fanatic would join this club.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24417

[JJanney]

Whats the top ten talking about?

[XR7 Dave]

First of all, I don't think you should suppose that you represent the interests of the club. You are obviously free to write whatever you like, but at this point no one has actually posted what this is even about or the context in which the statement was made.

If someone would be so kind as to post the article or at least a summary of it, that would be helpful. Till then, I suggest not getting your "fur" in a knot.

[JAFO]

Originally posted by XR7 Dave
First of all, I don't think you should suppose that you represent the interests of the club. You are obviously free to write whatever you like, but at this point no one has actually posted what this is even about or the context in which the statement was made.

If someone would be so kind as to post the article or at least a summary of it, that would be helpful. Till then, I suggest not getting your "fur" in a knot.

I agree. I'd like to hear more about it, and the whole list, for that matter. If not, I'll go get it, although I'm not sure I want to give them any more of my money, at this point.
Really odd to be singled out like that. :confused:

[BlackbirdSC]

"Top 10 List

Topics of Conversation While Waiting to Run at Famoso Raceway.

On CC's trip to evaluate the latest Mustangs we found ourselves in line at the glamourous Famoso Raceway outside of Baakersfield, California, with what seemed like hours to kill. Fortunately two CC readers, Matt Cucchiara and Javier Montano of Fresno, were around to join in the conversation. What did we talk about?

1.) Who works harder than who?
2.) If Matt King dropped dead, who'd take over his job as Car Craft's editor?
3.) How long will it be before Matt King drops dead?
4.) The inability of Pontiac V-8s to rev beyond 1200 rpm.
5.) The best and worst places to live in Fresno.
6.) Whether we should go eat lunch after we run, or wait until we're on the road back to L.A. and hit an In-N-Out Burger.
7.) Whther writer John Pearley Huffman looks more like Sam Kinison or 'Comic Book Guy' on The Simpsons.
8.) How Terry 'Missed Shift' McGean, driving the Mach 1, managed to get his *** spanked first by a Honda Civic and then a Nissan.
9.) How the Top 10 list is consistently the best thing in the whole magazine.
10.) Speculation about exactly what kind of Thunderbird fanatic joins the Super Coupe Club of America."

Near Bakersfield? Isn't that were Jimmy runs? Could they be talking about his car? Or maybe one of the other Cali SCs? Just a thought..........

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

LMAO..must be JIM<!

[JJanney]

He is a fanatic... ;)

[1BADSC]

I will scan in a page where they show all the T-birds Except the Supercoupe and then go on to say that the T-bird will be a cheap hot rodders dream in a couple years, becaues you can pick up a mid 90's bird 3,000 bucks and it comes with a 5.0

HOW stupid are they, who would want a 5.slow over the SC. I don't think they even know what an SC is.

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

5.0 is easier and cheaper to go fast..but the SC is tentimes the car..But dont worry guys..Well be getting teh coverage we deserve soon enough

[AsScLoWn]

Originally posted by Damon Slowpoke Baumann
LMAO..must be JIM<!

they're probably making fun of him?:D

[JJanney]

Personally, I do not think the MN-12 will ever be looked upon as a performance vehicle (besides the Supercoupe). I mean, it has every downside a vehicle could possibly have:

*weighs too much
*little to no aftermarket (5.0s are a different story)
*no manual tranny
*suspension is not up to par
*no (decent) aftermarket supercharger for the 5.0

89-93 Stangs will always be more attractive performance-wise than MN-12s

[JAFO]

Sounds like they just heard some guys down there that have a beef with SCCOA. Not sure why they put it in there, but I guess it might get a couple of people to do a search and end up here when they didn't know SCCOA existed.
Seems I've read similar comments here, come to think of it. I don't think I'm worried about it any more. Certainly don't have to justify having a club devoted to SC's, there are clubs out there for any car ever made.

[blkthndr]

not the first time sccoa has been in car craft:

http://www.sccoa.com/images/sept2000cover.jpg

[XR7 Dave]

Thanks Steve,

That is not very complimentary to say the least.

Bakersfeild is more John Shelton's neck of the woods. That's SoCal. Actually they probably ran into Manny or Al. LOL

Nonetheless, if you pay any attention to the rest of the top ten list it gives you a real good indication of the mental capacity of the people who made it. I am therefore quite sure they have no idea why a person would want to be considered a "SuperCoupe Entusiast." LMAO

Just consider the source. :D

[Vernon]

It doesn't bother me really. It's not really that much of a funny list and it doesn't really put us down, just asks a question about SCCoA members.

Ansewer: The kind of person that became a Thunderbird fanatic when they drove a Super Coupe.

I remember when Car Craft first got their hands on aSuper Coupe. They loved it, all except the editor Cam Bently who was a complete moron in the opinion of many.

Vernon

[rivlee]

That was probably from our tri chapter meet @ Famoso a few months ago where we had 23 cars. SoCal, NoCal & SW. ;)

Lee

[ponysc]

Well alot of you guys are getting close to 11's if you're not already, fox body stangs are still getting attention.. just need to follow editors and start waxing the fox bodies.... all around the country.. WITH IRS and two tons of weight!

Then there will be more attention :)

[Vernon]

9.) How the Top 10 list is consistently the best thing in the whole magazine.

No wonders why I stopped reading that rag in my early twenties. Even as far as Top Ten lists go this one sucks, if it was the best part of the whole magazine then I wouldn't even read the table of contents.

By the way thanks to Steve for finally posting what the heck all the fuss was about.

Vernon

[Randy N Connie]

Every time i have looked at Car Craft all i seen was chevy ****.

[rivlee]

There were a few Chebby's that got spanked that day by SC's. I'm pretty sure Jimmy and John got a couple and maybe 1 or 2 more from a couple of the SW guys. ;) We pretty much ran together, but guys in the front and back got mixed in.

I was the odd man out - had my SHO and beat out a mid '80's Camaro in my 4th (I think) pass. He almost came back on me at the end. That little 3.4 torque-less wonder starts quick, but runs out of breath when it hits 3rd and has to push 1:1.

Lee

[VicRattlehead]

Originally posted by JJanney
Personally, I do not think the MN-12 will ever be looked upon as a performance vehicle (besides the Supercoupe). I mean, it has every downside a vehicle could possibly have:

*weighs too much
*little to no aftermarket (5.0s are a different story)
*no manual tranny
*suspension is not up to par
*no (decent) aftermarket supercharger for the 5.0

89-93 Stangs will always be more attractive performance-wise than MN-12s

i have to say i highly disagree with most of your post.

*weight, yea well i agree

*aftermarket last i checked i could change the same things as the 5.0 can, yea it might be more expensive to do a 4.6 than a 5.0 but look at fords precious mustang, the 4.6 is more expensive to mod than the old 5.0 also, so whats the difference here? none.

*tranny, not stock but its doable. (5.0/4.6)

* suspension, IRS last i checked cobra, vette, viper were all irs, a few tweeks and they can outhandle thoes cobra/vette/viper on the skidpad anyday. ask mr hip.

* decent blower for 5.0, well i guess the kennebell, paxton, powerdyne, and vortech blowers i see on 5.0 birds are JUNK, hmmmmm. oh yea with the exception of the kennebell, they all work for 4.6 cars too. now the roush and saleen blowers, they are eaton based so they must be good cause thats what came on a pooperscope.

im tired of hearing this crap ohh the supercoupe is so superior to the rest of the mn12's, for christ sakes its a THUNDERBIRD, however you look at lx base sc, it its a thunderbird. T-H-U-N-D-E-R-B-I-R-D the sc is no more a performance car than the base 3.8L Thunderbird.

im done, goodnite.

[stangbanger67]

Yeah you're right. The supercoupes and the n/a v-6 cars are exactly the same-to those jealous n/a v-6 owners who don't have one:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[JJanney]

Originally posted by VicRattlehead
i have to say i highly disagree with most of your post.

*weight, yea well i agree

*aftermarket last i checked i could change the same things as the 5.0 can, yea it might be more expensive to do a 4.6 than a 5.0 but look that fords precious mustang, the 4.6 is more expensive to mod than the old 5.0 also, so whats the difference here? none.

*tranny, not stock but its doable. (5.0/4.6)

* suspension, IRS last i checked cobra, vette, viper were all irs, a few tweeks and they can outhandle thoes cobra/vette/viper on the skidpad anyday. ask mr hip.

* decent blower for 5.0, well i guess the kennebell, paxton, powerdyne, and vortech blowers i see on 5.0 birds are JUNK, hmmmmm. oh yea with the exception of the kennebell, they all work for 4.6 cars too. now the roush and saleen blowers, they are eaton based so they must be good cause thats what came on a pooperscope.


I'm talking money. Unless some major things are done in the next five years, the MN-12 will never be a performance car. The 4.6 aftermarket will grow in the oncoming years, so hopefully that will help the 94+ birds. From what I have read the tranny swap for both the 4.6/5.0 is expensive and a PITA (not to mention $$$), it'd be easier to build up the auto (about the same expense as the Mustang to build up the auto). The suspension has to be welded and stiffened to help (there's an article on this site or MN12performance.com about it). A decent blower for the 5.0 means a blower that will not cost $5000-6000 (KB is cheaper somewhat) whereas for the Mustang it's <$4000 (tops), there was just a thread about his on TCCoA.

A T-bird can perform, I will not argue with you there, I read about EECDOC, A-Train, Blown306, you (Vic), and a whole host of other MN12 owners blowing a lot of other cars out of the water, but at what expense? It is really quite expensive to modify these cars, including the Supercoupe. That is the point I am trying to express, I am sorry if my last post came across differently. Oh, lest I forget, Dr. Frankencougie rocks too!

Vic, sorry if I came off argumentative, I just get grouchy at times. :cool:

[Vernon]

Originally posted by VicRattlehead

im tired of hearing this crap ohh the supercoupe is so superior to the rest of the mn12's, for christ sakes its a THUNDERBIRD, however you look at lx base sc, it its a thunderbird. T-H-U-N-D-E-R-B-I-R-D the sc is no more a performance car than the base 3.8L Thunderbird.

im done, goodnite.

Damn, who rattled Vic's head?

Vernon:confused:

[VicRattlehead]

Originally posted by Vernon
Damn, who rattled Vic's head?

Vernon:confused:

what the heck is that vic guy talking about???

dont take it in a bad way, i still like the sc, i dunno what i was trying to get at, so dont ask :D

[syphon]

Originally posted by VicRattlehead
im tired of hearing this crap ohh the supercoupe is so superior to the rest of the mn12's, for christ sakes its a THUNDERBIRD, however you look at lx base sc, it its a thunderbird. T-H-U-N-D-E-R-B-I-R-D the sc is no more a performance car than the base 3.8L Thunderbird.

I have to say I was nodding in agreement with everything you said until you typed this paragraph, nullifying everything you'd said early.

SC is no more of a performance car than a T-Bird LX? Granted they are on the same chassis, which is not a performance chassis. But the addition of a supercharger and pretty advanced suspension (compared to the LX at least) and bigger brakes and tons more CERTAINLY make it more performance oriented than a base model or LX. The SC got the good end of the stick in almost all parts over the LX, hell, even little things like the Alternator are better than a base models.

[motocross_masta]

im tired of hearing this crap ohh the supercoupe is so superior to the rest of the mn12's, for christ sakes its a THUNDERBIRD, however you look at lx base sc, it its a thunderbird. T-H-U-N-D-E-R-B-I-R-D the sc is no more a performance car than the base 3.8L Thunderbird.

Sure its exactly the same the base 3.8L's.... except ours are supercharged 3.8L's:rolleyes:

[add-on]

Oops, Syphon got to it first.

[Vernon]

Vic has been around for a long time, so long I thought he had an SC. He must have been having a rough day and spoke out of character. Don't hold it against him besides he's already chilled out.

Vernon

[Andy 94SC]

So, while you guys are all worked up, why not start a


"Top 10 list of the type of Thunderbird fanatics that join the SCCoA"

to send to Car Craft, maybe they'll publish it.

I'll start off;

1. The type of person who enjoys adding insult to injury by BEATING a Z28, they saying "Yeah, its a V6."

2. The type of people who realize 6 is enough.

3. Late Model Ford Guys who don't want to be just another jerk with a Mustang.

Etc, etc.......

[stangbanger67]

4) The type of suckers who like changing headgaskets:D

[motocross_masta]

5) They like their car more then they like most their neighbours...

[Jim Demmitt Jr]

Car Magazine :)
I ben runing my SC at Sac-raceway a lot they have noticed this car go quicker and quicker a lot of people are taking notice of this SC V6 supercharged tbird

I was asked by a Car Magazine to do a photo shoot on my SC well see what happens the more I keep pushing and runing this car the more people will see how much performance these cars can make

I am beating Chevys Mopars other Fords with all the high tech stuff they got I am making a big effort to show others how well we can run with them I think we will see some Magazines putting many of your SC in them soon

This big St. Louis meet coming up I hope will draw some intrest from Car Magazines there is so many fast SC's

[Andy 94SC]

Originally posted by stangbanger67
4) The type of suckers who like changing headgaskets:D

Hmmm, I've never had to change headgaskets.........I don't know if I'd like it or not.

[92TBurnSC]

I loved it.

All $1100 of it.

[pearl95sc]

6) The type of people who like that catchy blower whine.

7) The kina people who allow backseat riders not to lose blood circulation in the legs.

[stangbanger67]

8) The kind of people that realized ford was producing factory supercharged, high performance vehicles 10 years before the SVT lightning!!!

[1BADSC]

The kind of people who want a 15 sec car, but hate the idea of driving a Honda.

[ThunderRoad]

IT ALSO SHOWED A STOCK 5.0 MOTOR WITH NEW HEADS , DEMON CARB AND HEADERS ......STOCK CAM , BOTTOM END TURN OVER 400 HP ON THE DYNO...............NOW THATS SOMETHING........:D :D :D

[JAFO]

9)People join SCCOA when they don't have time for magazines that never come out with information on our cars, just overpriced build up's most won't do and the same cars over and over again.
10)People who want it *all* in their car; race it one night and drive it to work the next day.

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

I dont think anyone would argue that the SC is more performance orientated then the standard 5.0/4.6 lx. But as we all know..You can make any car go fast..Unfortunately it takes alot more to make 4000 lbs go fast then 3000

[Mike8675309]

Originally posted by BlackbirdSC
"Top 10 List

Topics of Conversation While Waiting to Run at Famoso Raceway.

...
10.) Speculation about exactly what kind of Thunderbird fanatic joins the Super Coupe Club of America."



Answer: A fanatic that fully understands that it takes a "community" to raise a fast 2 ton car.

[Charkly]

10-the type of person who wants triple digit speed, effortless tire smoke, and 25+mpg on the highway. take that-lol. mike.

[1BADSC]

I get 31MPG, hell my TA gets 29MPG. :)

[al35thsc]

...And the Number 1 reason why a T-Bird fanatic joins the SCCoA.... *DRUM ROLL*










































They didnt know about the TBU ;)

Alex