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PearlBird
08-02-2003, 10:39 PM
I have a 1995 SC with a aod. Its stock.
My friend has a camaro z28 auto with the 5.7 350.

Who will u bet ur money on in the 1/4 mile?

J57ltr
08-02-2003, 11:56 PM
The Camaro if it's had a tune-up and is in good shape.

Jeff

ait
08-03-2003, 01:03 AM
id put my money on the sc

PearlBird
08-03-2003, 12:15 PM
Lol seems like it should be a good race then, I'll post the results. Should be withing a week or two.

silversc90
08-03-2003, 04:41 PM
my son has taken several cameros with his lightly modded 90 auto. the only ones that give him problems are very late models, ls1 or lt1? this on a quarter mile track. the late models are not stock, i do not know about the older ones.

PearlBird
08-03-2003, 11:43 PM
Not sure, I jsut know it is a 5.7 liter 350 camaro z28 1991

supercharged95
08-04-2003, 12:47 PM
I'd put money on the sc as well.
Just an FYI- if your car is truly bone stock, then you dont have an aod, you have a 4R70W. Good luck with the race

J57ltr
08-04-2003, 12:56 PM
4K pounds and 230 hp vs 3.6K pounds with slightly more hp & tq.

hmmm

PearlBird
08-05-2003, 11:30 AM
How about this. I am getting new exhaust put on and a Cone Filter. I'm going high flow cats with 2.5 pipe to a maganflow muffler with 2 inlets one outlet. Then splitting it back into the 2.5 dual exhaust with 3 inch chrome tips. My friend with the camaro has flowmaster mufflers, thats all he has done to his car.

Now what will race day hold?

J57ltr
08-05-2003, 11:41 AM
Race’em and find out you still have 400# extra to carry.

Jeff

Rich95XR7
08-13-2003, 12:52 AM
A 350 Auto Camaro runs high 14's stock. Like 14.7's I think. I had a 305 TPI car that ran 15.14 with just catback exhaust.

Turbong2001
08-13-2003, 07:03 PM
My stock 5 speed Sc just ran a 14.6 so i would bet on the SC if you know what your doing in it.

J57ltr
08-13-2003, 07:08 PM
A 14.6 in the 1/8th...

PearlBird
08-14-2003, 11:50 PM
Well we finally raced and I hadn't got my exhaust in yet. I beat im but He isn't a very experienced racer. He got a real bad start off the line. 1.1 RT to my .560 RT my ET was 15.5 to his 15.6 so if he ever gota good start my *** would be handed to me =)

HSKR
08-15-2003, 12:27 AM
Actually, RT has nothign to do with ET. the reaction time is just the time it takes you to cross the beams that start the clock after the light turns green. He could have pulled the same reaction time, and you still woudl have won with a .1 sec better time. What were both of your 60' times? That's what will determine who got the better start.

epconey
08-15-2003, 03:19 PM
if he knew how to drive you would have lost sorry

Turbong2001
08-15-2003, 05:10 PM
14.6 in the 1/8 in an sc i would kill myself. 1/4 mile 14.64 at 90mph all stock except deleated cats deleated silensor and no mufflers and 12lbs of boost. The car is a 92 5-speed. All stock Sc should run high 14s if not then sorry but, your not driving it right.

J57ltr
08-15-2003, 05:53 PM
check your facts, NO SC runs 14 anything stock. Your car is a factory freak if it ran that fast. How many hp does it take to make a 3800 # car run 14 seconds?

Jeff

silversc90
08-15-2003, 11:04 PM
a kill is a kill. put on your exhaust and killem again.

supercharged95
08-16-2003, 01:41 AM
If you're lucky a 5 speed sc could run high 14's stock, but by no means will an auto sc run high 14's out of the box.

epconey
08-18-2003, 03:13 PM
no stock sc with the best driver and best conditions will break in the 14's

curse
08-18-2003, 11:55 PM
What?? You should look this up before you say no stock SC will break into the 14s

SlushNaz
08-19-2003, 03:27 AM
I raced a 94 Z28 in my 91 SC and I pulled on him off the line and held dead with a nose on him the rest of the way if that helps ya.

supercharged95
08-19-2003, 12:46 PM
not really; a 94 z28 and 91 z28 are two different cars. The LT1 is a very good performing engine(doesn't have the top end pull of an LS1). I'm assuming the guy you raced spun bad off the line, or your car isn't completely stock b/c those cars SHOULD run mid to low 14s stock. Then again, anything is possible on the street. Good kill

pdennis93
08-29-2003, 11:39 PM
check your facts, NO SC runs 14 anything stock. Your car is a factory freak if it ran that fast. How many hp does it take to make a 3800 # car run 14 seconds?

well my sc may well be that freak cause i have VERY little mods, a 5 percent pulley, flowmaster exhaust and a K&N cone... and my car has run consistant 14.6 times on 2 different tracks, this with ****** single plat plugs with 25k miles on them, and douglas T rated touring tires....

oh and my hp/tq is in the sig 203.8/300.9

Turbong2001
08-31-2003, 06:41 PM
well at least some one belives me, i hit 14.67 no mufflers, bauld tires, 5%, and deleated silencer. But i was spead shifting to. (shifting at full throttel and clutching very fast! )

BlownMerc
09-04-2003, 09:23 AM
If the car was in propper condition at the time of the race, The Z28 should have won. The Z28 is an L98 TPI car and makes 240hp and 345lb-ft. The problem with the TPI was that it made tons of torque way down low, and no power up high due to its long intake runners. They were great in stoplight shootouts but anything longer than that the car would fall on its face. LT1 was 93-97 and LS1 was 98-02. With the L98 anything more than 1/4 throttle would send the tires up in smoke. My friend and I used to race his 92 350 L98 quite a bit, and the best run we pulled from it was a 14.4 with only a Flow Master and airfoil for the throttle body (susposed to smooth air flow). If your 95 was a 5-speed youd eat him high and low, but the auto hurts, and the lack of a posi.

BlownMerc
09-04-2003, 09:27 AM
Originally posted by SlushNaz
I raced a 94 Z28 in my 91 SC and I pulled on him off the line and held dead with a nose on him the rest of the way if that helps ya.


I'm gonna wave the BS flag here guys, unless you have substantial work or the Z28 couldn't drive or was running on less than 8 cyls. you wouldn't have run with him.




And for the guys who thinks SC can't go mid 14's stock. Look up Justin Falla who took his red 94 SC 5-speed to a 14.5 stock in the FL heat at the ~~~~tiest track around, Orlando Speed World.

J57ltr
09-04-2003, 02:15 PM
Turbo and Dennis

Are you blind or can you not read?



STOCK STOCK STOCK STOCK STOCK.

What part of stock do you not understand?

If you modify a part it is no longer stock.

SC stock WILL NOT RUN 14's PEROID.

Jeff

Turbong2001
09-07-2003, 11:41 AM
ARE YOU BLIND????? :cool: I said ALMOST STOCK that means not stock and not alote of mods. 15.2 was stock run I never said i was stock, but i have $0.00 in mods. I cut out cats., cut off mufflers, and took of silencer. the car already had a 5% on it but i still nly hit 12lbs of boost. And reality the Auto are faster then the 5speed cars. Unless you speed shift, when you chutch the car you lost boost pressure and the auto cars dont. thus making them walk away from a 5-speed.

J57ltr
09-07-2003, 03:01 PM
I wear glasses but I see just fine. Take your foot out of your mouth there bud. Here is the exact quote from your first post.

"My stock 5 speed Sc just ran a 14.6 so i would bet on the SC if you know what your doing in it."

I can only read what you post.

Again a stock SC will not run in the 14's. PEROID.

With regard to auto's being faster. All things equal (driver skill included) 5speeds are going to be faster. Blower speed stays with the engine and boost is instant. Get you some skills.

Jeff

BlownMerc
09-08-2003, 12:04 AM
Originally posted by Turbong2001
ARE YOU BLIND????? :cool: I said ALMOST STOCK that means not stock and not alote of mods. 15.2 was stock run I never said i was stock, but i have $0.00 in mods. I cut out cats., cut off mufflers, and took of silencer. the car already had a 5% on it but i still nly hit 12lbs of boost. And reality the Auto are faster then the 5speed cars. Unless you speed shift, when you chutch the car you lost boost pressure and the auto cars dont. thus making them walk away from a 5-speed.



Sorry bro, but he's right the 5-speeds are faster less parisitc power loss through the driveline. Yes, while you may have a better hole shot than a stick, they will be faster, this is true in all car applications, a manual vs an auto of equal performance will turn a higher MPH in the exact same conditions.

As far as the 5-speeds loosing boost, this is also wrong (as long as the throttle is applied while shifting ie: power ~~~~ing mostly done whil racing) Our blower as well as the twin-screw (Kenny-Bell, Whipple) design is a positive displacement pump. Meaning that the blower is always producing boost presure and is not dependant upon engine RPM like a centerfugal (ie: Paxton, Pro-Charger) blower or Turbo. The only time the boost would drop would be when the throttle is released and the bypass valve opened. There is more involved but this is a basic reasoning. Just post a pic of the time slip and get it over with.
Later,
Brad

Turbong2001
09-10-2003, 08:55 PM
Im not wrong i just did explain myself good enough. When most people race they do let off the gas, at least alittle. Keep in mind not all racers are experinced enough to drive the car that way. It's dangerous to go fully throttle and bang the gears, *but its fun* My original statment was false, about the car being stock what i was thinking and typing was two diffrant things. I meant almost stock. But later i did correct myself and say almost stock sc. And even if i do post the time slip, what keeps you all from just saying its from another car! Its not a big deal any way, i know what it ran, and to be truthfull i think my car is slow i need more speed! Its a 92 with 125k , this winter im gonna put it on a diet and buy some stuff for it.

J57ltr
09-11-2003, 07:24 PM
Originally posted by Turbong2001
Im not wrong i just did explain myself good enough. When most people race they do let off the gas, at least alittle. Keep in mind not all racers are experinced enough to drive the car that way. It's dangerous to go fully throttle and bang the gears, *but its fun* My original statment was false, about the car being stock what i was thinking and typing was two diffrant things. I meant almost stock. But later i did correct myself and say almost stock sc. And even if i do post the time slip, what keeps you all from just saying its from another car! Its not a big deal any way, i know what it ran, and to be truthfull i think my car is slow i need more speed! Its a 92 with 125k , this winter im gonna put it on a diet and buy some stuff for it.

Oh I see you are one of those guys that can't admit when you are wrong.

"Im not wrong i just did explain myself good enough. When most people race they do let off the gas, at least alittle. Keep in mind not all racers are experinced enough to drive the car that way. It's dangerous to go fully throttle and bang the gears"

I don't understand what you are getting at, but I think you are refering to dropping boost between gears. If so you are wrong.


Jeff

BlownMerc
09-11-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Turbong2001
Im not wrong i just did explain myself good enough. When most people race they do let off the gas, at least alittle. Keep in mind not all racers are experinced enough to drive the car that way. It's dangerous to go fully throttle and bang the gears, *but its fun* My original statment was false, about the car being stock what i was thinking and typing was two diffrant things. I meant almost stock. But later i did correct myself and say almost stock sc. And even if i do post the time slip, what keeps you all from just saying its from another car! Its not a big deal any way, i know what it ran, and to be truthfull i think my car is slow i need more speed! Its a 92 with 125k , this winter im gonna put it on a diet and buy some stuff for it.

No, most drivers of manual cars don't let off, we only let off slightly if we start to have a wheel spin problem. I say we because I have a 01 WS6 Tans-Am that goes 11.32 @ 120.12. In the case of my car I do have to feather the throttle quite a bit since I do dump over 500 lb-ft of torque out the back. But with a stock car generaly you don't have to worry too much about the rear stepping out on you (yes you will have some wheel spin in between gears.)

Just post the slip to make the others believe. I don't doubt you, but if they keep up after you posted the numbers its their problem. Like I tell many people who get into the my car is fater competition (aka Dick Measuring Contest) on any given day there is ALWAYS someone faster.
Later and good job on your car,
Brad

rivlee
09-17-2003, 08:41 AM
I don't see any 5spd's in the top 5, and only one exceptional driver (#9) in the top 10. :rolleyes:

J57ltr
09-17-2003, 11:53 AM
We are talking about Stock cars. It is very hard to make a 5sp as repeatable as an auto.

Q: How many passes do you think a 5speed would last in a high 11 low 12 sec car.

A: Not as many as an auto.

Jeff

rivlee
09-17-2003, 02:13 PM
An average driver can get good consistant times with an auto, it takes real talent to do that with a 5spd SC.

"Coast to Coast" out here runs consistent 15.1's with just the airbox removed in an early version 5spd. I keep telling him we're gonna tear down that "freak" motor to find out why. :D

Lee

J57ltr
09-17-2003, 03:16 PM
I agree

Low 15's aren't uncommon, but we are talking about 14's.

Jeff

92redsc
09-19-2003, 10:35 PM
ok my 2 cents, stock for stock, auto vs. 5 speed. 5 speed faster.; why, my auto doesnt take time to shift?? because the very small split second you shift a 5 speed a whole 2-3 times in a drag, doesnt lose the extra HP and tourque the 5 speed puts to the ground.so the split seconds are OVER made up by the extra HP and TQ.

also why no 5 speeds in top 5 or what ever, answer autos are more consistant at the track, but 5 speeds are somtimes cheaper just depends on how you use it. i can put a 5 speed in the 11s with the same mods as a 11 second auto but it wouldnt be as consistant and you would be getting parts every other race.

final: i like 5 speeds better because they get a little better MPG if u know how to drive them, and they are a little quicker if you know how to drive them, but its all a matter of opinion.