Raced a WRX

[supercharged95]

I usually dont post my street racing stories on the board for numerous reasons, but I thought this was really interesting and thought I'd share:

On my way home from work I notice a mitsu behind me and seeing as how I usually cruise in the bird this guy was riding my arse. Well we get off of the freeway and as we pull up to a stoplight he flies by me(racing to get to the redlight). I notice as he's going by me that he has the WRX badge so I think to myself "this could be interesting." As always my windows are down and as I pull up to him he rolls his windows down but wont look over at me.
The light turns green and we both ease out, while I'm staring at him like he's Pamela Anderon not wearing a top. He finally punches it at about 10mph and it's on. Suprisingly I pulled about 10 ft on him then he shifts to second and I gain a little more, then I shift and hold my lead. We went up to about 60 with me keeping the same 10-15ft lead.
I'm about 100% positive he was stock and I'm very sure he was trying because after we started slowing down he gunned it, got ahead of me weaving in and out of traffic and such.
You guys can make your own assumptions about this, but as for me I will chalk this up as a win:D

[Big Cat Davo]

There were a pair of WRX's at the track in Calgary last friday. Both of them were around the 15.3 mark. Both were stock. remember this is at a 3500 foot elevation as well. I was running 15.1's that night, but my high mile Cat is not stock. At the other track I run at, In Medicine Hat, the elevation is 2300 feet. I have managed some 15.0's here, but yet to run it in cool weather . . . usually around the 90 degree mark. Anyway there is a WRX with a boost controller that runs 14.8's here. Obvious with the bosst upped. With the boost stock he was in the 15.1-15.2 range.

Dave

[supercharged95]

Thanks for clearing that up, I was always under the impression those were mid-low 14 second cars stock

[Big Cat Davo]

They are . . . I should have done a conversion for you . . . using NHRA correction factors a 15.3 at 3500 feet would be the same as a 14.65 at sea level. So depending on where you are they are a mid 14 second car . . . low 14's that might be pushing it. The WRX STI's however are considerable faster than that.

Dave

[6pak2go]

Aren't the new STI's supposed to go low 13's high 12's? Please correct me if I'm wrong. If so, then I've had a false since of respect for them :)

Brandon

[supercharged95]

the WRX STI is considerably more powerful than the WRX. From what I've read the STI is a mid to low 13 second car. But then again I also read that the WRX is a mid to low 14 second car, but that is obviously wrong.

[TbirdSC93]

I got my "arse" kicked by a WRX, Though it wasn't stock because you could hear the blow off valve(didn't know what it was, never heard a blow off valve till then) I chatted with him a bit to give him props.

The bad thing is that I had just seen him get smoke by Integra on the highway:eek:

[driftmaster]

ehhem,

let me help you guys out. To answer your question, you must understand the car, the wrx. You see, the car comes here severally undertuned and restricted. The car is a fast car once you remove the nasty restrictions that your SCs do not have. FOr instance, there is a cat in the uppipe between the header and turbo, resulting in terrible turbo lag, so until 3600rpm, the car has no power. Along with the downpipe which is small and has a plate that covers the wastegate! thats right the wastegate is covered, no air gets out like it should. WHY? to meet emissions and to be able to meet emissions for many many years.

Now, most ppl who drive a wrx can't do the car justice. Its a different tranny, different launching, etc because the tranny is an old japanese design along with AWD ...

SO what does this mean? It means that the car is more restricted than the STI. I run quicker than the STIs and Evos. I also run faster than the V8 guys. I run stock fuel, intercooler and turbo. I am at a maximum and to be honest, it runs smoother now than stock.

So with those WRXs, most ppl assume they are fast and expect the car to go... no, if it is stock you must put it in its power range and then you have a rocket. Being catless and properly tuned i reach max boost at 3000rpm and hold it all the way to redline. A SC cannot take a wrx at launch, sorry guys, AWD. Secondly, once its boosting, its going. STock, the car tapers boost at 5500rpm and the car looses power. The car was designed to be restricted so that the insurance would be cheaper than the 250hp JDM version. However, I am running 320hp (260hp awhp) safely and consistantly.

SO dont mock the rex, because when it snows, we are doing doughnuts around you!!! In the rain, snow, whatever, the car is there kicking ***. Its a perfect alltime car to own. I can drive it year round and instead of being caught in my beater car, I always have my best car with me and I always have fun.

[TbirdSC93]

if anyone wanted tech info they coulda looked it up themselves...:rolleyes:

[driftmaster]

i thought id help out and enlighten:o

[92silverlx]

so driftmaster ..........do u have a SC?

[driftmaster]

actually my buddy has a 90 stock and another has a 91 custom modded. The 91 is ... it looks great, i think he did an excellent job with it. CUstom IC, custom intake, exhaust, P&P of supercharger, etc. guages, wheels, he did the car justice! it looks great, nothing is too much or too little, which is rare in the car world, i give himprops. I raced the 90 stock with my 01 ws6 and I beat him everytime. He bet me recently that he could take me at 40mph start all the way up ... i dont think so, but its his money hes gonna loose ;) what do you guys think?

[TbirdSC93]

I think you said you only had a WRX in your other post...but I could see you wanting a WS6

BTW: How many other forums did you go enlighten...

[driftmaster]

I used to have a ws6 and when it snowed I couldnt go anywhere. Then the insurance went up so I sold it ... it was a sad day, I saved for 5 years to get that car and I had to unload it ...

Oh crap I'm everywhere. Since my buddy got his 90 running again and wants to run with us, I was looking for technical info for him and just stumbled upon these posts.

I dont know everything, and any info you guys provide me with on the SC would be great! I'm trying to get him out of his fantasy world and into the real world. He is dead set that his car runs 13s stock ... but he never ran it. I'm trying to get hom to start modding it so he has bragging rights.

[TbirdSC93]

you can see my mods on my site...I ran a best time of 14.3...traction issues of course....I plan on a dyno tune, DRs and cold (florida) weather to break into 13s

So no, your friend doesnt run 13s stock....maybe low 15s or high 14s if he has a factory freak

[driftmaster]

thx for the info.

[Turbong2001]

ALL wrx run low 14's all of you can tell me you can run a 1.1 60 foot, in any sc the best you can get is about 1.8-2.2 if your fast and lucky.
launch an sc at 6k youll smoke em lauch an awd and youll be about 3 cars ahead of the rear wheel drive.

[driftmaster]

WEll, actually us AWD guys can get 1.8 60fts nicely but if you want to risk your tranny and put some hard abuse on the car I've seen 1.5 and 1.6s but im not that desirious to achieve the best 1/4, I'd rather have a well rounded car ;)

But traction is everything. RWD is better than FWD in a performance environment, however in a snowy/wet fwd may prove to be more comfortable, however AWD is always the best choice. Especially if you have a controllable center diff, than you can have fun by playing with the torque split!

The problem with a 6k drop is that your tranny is gonna take major abuse, no matter who makes it. Its better to lauch at 3-4k and run the clutch a bit. Id burn the clutch before first gear anyday.

Its all in what you want from your car. Some ppl like extreme oversteer, but i prefer a AWD sideways slide ;)

[2 Hot 2 Handle]

Whats a WRX??? STI??? never heard of one them dere dingys.
yes they are fast, & SCs can be whipped but......11s & 12s do happen, in SCs.

[Turbong2001]

Suburu impressa WRX, and STI 4 door, 4 cylender, 4 wheel drive
WRX = 14 flat all day stock
STI = 13.20-13.50 all day Stock

Then theres the Evo 8
mitsubishi Evlution Lancer 8 = Same as STI

SBS.... :)

[2 Hot 2 Handle]

It was a Joke,,,duh...I know what they are the fearsome rice from Japan & from what I understood the EVO was a bit more of a car than the STI.

[OzzManG149]

Mitsu~~~~si :eek: WRX STI :cool: :D

http://racingflix.com/getvideo.asp?v=244&p=6

[XR7 Dave]

The car is a fast car once you remove the nasty restrictions that your SCs do not have. Now there is some misinformation! lol The SC's have some of the worst restrictions you can come up with. How about an IC that sits behind the washer bottle AND the A/C core for starters. SC's have some ridiculous restrictions as well. However most of them are there to make the car more appealing to look at and comfortable to drive than to meet emissions requirements. I mean look at the M90 supercharger for crying out loud. What a horribly innefficient means of creating boost. :confused: Imagine if you took of your wonderful turbo and replaced it with an Eaton supercharger. Then you wouldn't have much to say. :D

Don't get me wrong, your car is cool. I just don't see how I could spend $25-30K for a performance car and then trash it in the salt in winter. To each his own. ;)

[Rob Noth]

I just don't see how I could spend $25-30K for a performance car and then trash it in the salt in winter. Subaru owners typically like to take full advantage of the awesome all-weather capabilities of the car (that's why we got one!). Most Subarus get some pretty heavy usage, not too many people buy one to "baby" it. I know mine gets thrashed on regularly in snow, mud, dirt, etc. But at least they don't typically salt roads here in CA.

[SCollord90]

Now the real question is driftmaster how long you think you can run your engine that hard before you have to fix ****? Second of all, the problem with awd is the lag, loss of power and the extra weight. So take your pick, do you wanna drive everytime it snows or do you want to car you dont have to beat? oh and you have to drop it into gear at like 3000 RPM to get a good launch my friend has one so why bother. Stay home and have some hot chocolate if its that bad of snow.

[Turbong2001]

I launch at 6500 with my 97 GSX eclipse been doing it for about 3 years now every week end races. Never broke any thing.. God i love it.

[SinCitySC]

(DriftMaster Quote)
ehhem,

let me help you guys out. To answer your question, you must understand the car, the wrx. You see, the car comes here severally undertuned and restricted. The car is a fast car once you remove the nasty restrictions that your SCs do not have. FOr instance, there is a cat in the uppipe between the header and turbo, resulting in terrible turbo lag, so until 3600rpm, the car has no power. Along with the downpipe which is small and has a plate that covers the wastegate! thats right the wastegate is covered, no air gets out like it should. WHY? to meet emissions and to be able to meet emissions for many many years.

Now, most ppl who drive a wrx can't do the car justice. Its a different tranny, different launching, etc because the tranny is an old japanese design along with AWD ...

SO what does this mean? It means that the car is more restricted than the STI. I run quicker than the STIs and Evos. I also run faster than the V8 guys. I run stock fuel, intercooler and turbo. I am at a maximum and to be honest, it runs smoother now than stock.
So with those WRXs, most ppl assume they are fast and expect the car to go... no, if it is stock you must put it in its power range and then you have a rocket. Being catless and properly tuned i reach max boost at 3000rpm and hold it all the way to redline. A SC cannot take a wrx at launch, sorry guys, AWD. Secondly, once its boosting, its going. STock, the car tapers boost at 5500rpm and the car looses power. The car was designed to be restricted so that the insurance would be cheaper than the 250hp JDM version. However, I am running 320hp (260hp awhp) safely and consistantly.

SO dont mock the rex, because when it snows, we are doing doughnuts around you!!! In the rain, snow, whatever, the car is there kicking ***. Its a perfect alltime car to own. I can drive it year round and instead of being caught in my beater car, I always have my best car with me and I always have fun.

It took him all that to tell us how much Subauru sux. I hear crap all the time from Honda guys how their cars are soo restricted from the factory. Sorry your car company can't make a fast car with US emissions restrictions. Japan always has to use tech. that we don't to keep up. I got a Ford ZX2 its not stock but close to it. I pulled a 14.5@92mph with a .999 60ft. let see Subauru do that without AWD & a turbo.

[TbirdSC93]

the cobra is very restricted from the factory...hell most cars are restricted from the factory....


Im doubting a stock or close to stock zx2 can run a 14.5 and a .999 60' ehh maybe your reading the slip wrong?

[Turbong2001]

.999999 or was it a 1.99999 lol no way :p Rails bairly pull that off. at 8s in the 1/4. :mad:

[TbirdSC93]

What do you have done to your zx2...14.5 is quick for a zx2. why you hating on the WRX anyways? the STI can run 13.1 stock...lets see any ZX2 do that.

[NASTY V6]

XR7 Dave

I'm with you on the salt eating away at my $25k-$30k.

[Lycaon]

All, i have to say is this your car does sound restricted but I would like to back up what the other guy said, you haven't got deep into a SC. The exhaust has 3 90* turns in 2 1/4" piping (the reason headgaskets are prone to blowing). Not to mention how it snakes around underneath the car. And like he said the intercooler doesn't really cool. And the air comes in a hole that you couldn't drop a baseball through. That being said The WRX's are pretty sweet cars. But one thing you have to think about these cars we're not made for drag racing. (i beleive it's the only performance vehicle ford has made that isn't set up for drag racing) It's made for 50-100+ acceleration and handling. That being said...I've had countless mustang's, camero's, and trans am's take my little super coupe off the line......but i've not come across one driving yet (I know they're out there but...:) ) that has beaten my car in that range. a white pontiac got beside my car on the highway while I was doing 60 and went for it....needless to say i had pulled over and started filling my car up with gas when he caught up to ask me what i had in the car.....turns out his was a 350 6-spd Trans Am with headwork. A car that I KNOW would eat mine alive in the 1/4.

So.....the bet might get interesting :)

[92redsc]

high speed races are what this car likes, i told you guys the story when i blew the HGs, i was racing a dodge intrepid R/T from about a 65 roll, we were on the loop where the Speed limit is 70. any way by the time i was at the end of third and just shifted to 4th at almost 120 the hgs blew. i had time to pull over get out of the car and pop the hood before he passed me hahaha

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

Get rid of the speedlimiter and they just keep going and going...

Ive handed a few cars there ars at over 100+

[JoeyICU]

mn12s in general are good from a roll, b/c they have power, high gearing, alot of weight and super aero dynoamics, i dont race all that much on the street but i took a stock WRX from 55mph roll, after i put my new exhaust on, and i ran the 15 flat with just cut mufflers, and the stock V8s 2" exhaust

ive generally seen, stock wrxs run mid 14s to low 15s, in that range,
sti's, id figure mid to hi 13s

every factory car has resrictions, im suprised this forum hasnt gotten nasty yet, but im glad it hasnt :)

[TbirdSC93]

STIs run low 13s...one of the stang mags out there had an STI/Cobra shoot out and in there tests the STI ran a 13.1 and they couldnt get the Cobra to beat that....I may not remember it to well tho....The STI is definitely a quick car..


I still want proof of the "close to stock" zx2 runnin 14.5

[92redsc]

um hold up, one mag not a stang mag had a cobra vs. wrx shootout with the wrx running a 13.29 and cobra 13.3. BUT a bra will beat a sti any day from a roll. and will beat one in the quarter if the driver is good.. stis are easier to drive because of the 4 wheel drive system, easy to launch. but if the cobras driver is good, such as MMFF mags drivers, they got a stock cobra CONVERTIBLE to run a 12.71 and the have gotten coupes to 12.6s you cant get a sti to that with even the best driver. so if you are a good driver the BRA will win. EDIT and even in the mag where the sti won, the mph was like 10 mph slower at the traps than the BRA

[JoeyICU]

cobras are 390rwhp fromt he factory right?, thats beasty, i think there in a whole higher level then an STI, kinda hard to compare the two

btw, no close to stock ZX2 is cuting 14.5s, unless its in like a race trim, massive weight reduction and a few bolt ons, id belive 14.5s from a zx2 if it had something to that effect, but these woul dhave to be very high quality bolt ons

[92redsc]

yeah and they are underated too. most dynos will give them 375 or a little higher and happy dynos will give them 385. even dynos that cut it down alot still give 365 or higher.

[SCollord90]

You cant even compare a Cobra to an STI, you do some easy crap to the Cobra and you can be pushing 600 rwhp, then you go buy some 315's and you get enough traction to tear the STI to pieces. It's cheap and easy look around on the internet. Oh and by the way the magazine who compared them obviously sucked at driving anything but the easy (mommy mobile) cars because they managed to get the Cobra's rear end loose where it shouldn't have happened.

[TbirdSC93]

i was just stating that the STI is not as slow as the other poster made it out to be...The STI aint no slouch...but Id rather drive a cobra

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

We are comparing apples to oranges here....

But I'd just like to add a few comments

The Tbird SC as is from the factory has some of the worst restrictions I have ever seen out of a performance car from the factory..EVerything from the exhaust to the Way the IC and blower are routed..Teh gearing in the 5 speed trannies...But hey thats besides the point..

Maybe we should copare cars by cost..

But hell they dont make the SC anymore soo......

How much does that STI or EVO go for?..Or even the WRX??..Uhu.....Nuff said

Give me that Cobra anyday...

As far as driving in the snow rain or whatever...All wheel drive or not..In a real snowstorm..You arnt getting anywhere with an AWD car..Truck yes..I effortlessly plow through a foot of snow in my truck....Where would an WRX be?....Not driving thast for sure...And for the idiots that think they can drive in the snow or rain just as they do in good weather because they have AWD....Youll eventually wreck your car..Seen it all to many times. With cars and trucks alike..

In the end it all comes down to this. Drive what you like. Or what you can afford. Each car has its good qualities and bad

[Turbong2001]

If we want to compare using cost then what about the dodge neon srt4?

14.0 stock for 19k now what about the Cobra?
13.6-13.8 for ummm... ya!

Plus a $1k up grade from the factory puts the srt4 in the low 13s.

Ya apples and oranges but i would rather own the srt4 ! :cool:

[TbirdSC93]

Which cobra are you talking about....? The 03+ cobra can run 12.9s stock and for 2k you can have 500rwhp and your knocking on 11s

[TbirdSC93]

pulley, filter, chip, exhaust and drag radials=high 11s

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=93608

[92redsc]

omg do you even know what your talking about? hmph when will they learn. let me race you i get the new cobra and you get the srt4. dude even a mach 1 can beat those srt4s. what are you talking about 13.8s? if the driver couldnt drive maybe. hahaha HAHAHA i just have to laugh at this because it will make me mad if i dont. yea 390 hp and 390 ft lbs running a 13.8? its in a freaking bus then..... oh even the machs are running low 13s lets race those. id even race one in a new gt if it was a 5 speed because ive seen a new gt 5 speed run a high 13 with only a k&n filter.

[JoeyICU]

omg do you even know what your talking about? hmph when will they learn. let me race you i get the new cobra and you get the srt4. dude even a mach 1 can beat those srt4s. what are you talking about 13.8s? if the driver couldnt drive maybe. hahaha HAHAHA i just have to laugh at this because it will make me mad if i dont. yea 390 hp and 390 ft lbs running a 13.8? its in a freaking bus then..... oh even the machs are running low 13s lets race those. id even race one in a new gt if it was a 5 speed because ive seen a new gt 5 speed run a high 13 with only a k&n filter.


you seem kind of mad to me lol, and with that post is the start of the pissing fest of witch cars better, yay, mach 1s run like consistant hi to mid 13s, saw one yesterday cuting mid 13s, stock they run about high 13s, srt4s run around 13.2s with a little bit of bolt on turbo'age upgrade, cobras run 12s, bottom line, you cant compare a cobra to an srt4, if you are, your an idiot go kill yourself, so stop doing this and lets get a little more civilized, i paid 3800 for my car, put a grand into it, and can run a hi to mid 14, 4800 for hi to mid 14s, yeah, i win.... :D

(just so you know im relaly only kiding about my car being bang for the buck im just kinda throwing around stuff like what you guys are, each car has its down sides and its upsides, you cant compare cars that are that diffrent)

[92redsc]

im not mad but again let me correct you. i have seen a good driver drive a stock mach 2004 (the 03s actually have a little less HP) to a 13.2 i have never seen a srt 4 break a 13.8, which is the fastest ive ever heard of one going stock (the fastest ive seen is 14.1) only auto machs should be cutting a mid 13. stock GTs run low 14s and i have seen a few 5 speeds in the high 13s. These with the exception of the 13.8 srt i have seen with my own eyes. EDIT: i have now heard of a factory freak SRT running a 13.5 but a mach is still faster and that was a freak.

[2 Hot 2 Handle]

Odd, I went to the track again yesterday..usual, et points race...
I saw a new srt4 running 14.2, Now this is at a track at 3500 ft. Maybe something had been daone ( he didn't say)...just thought I'd add.

On another note> Michele managed another 13.37 @ 103 with the 92SC, she broke out on the run and that put her out.
I managed a 12.92 @ 103 with the Elky,
There was a guy there talking to me about my cars & his 2003 C5, he was running 13.4s and claimed his car was stock until I started ragging on him, then he finally admited he had it chipped & bumped to 410hp...He said he was shocked about the way our SC ran.
There was also a guy running a AWD Talon, 13.9s...claimed it was running 13.2s at bandamere(5500ft),Ha...yea right!!!, highly unlikely as thats 2000ft higher than Julesburg.
It was worked over qiute a bit with a larger turbo and other things done

[JoeyICU]

yeah, mm&ff got a mach to go 13.1 so i know there quick, i just see a handfull of them go stock mid 13s, and yeah ive seen gt's go high 13s stock also, im just saying the average joe shmo mach, the srt4 still has some bagn to the buck, id buy one if i didnt love my car so much, or if i didnt like fords so much, you know how that goes

[92redsc]

yeah i know how that goes haha. i like your car i didnt know v8 birds could be that fast with cheap mods im starting to think about buying me one of those and stop looking for a 5oh stang. and yes those mm&ff drivers are pro. more pro than ill ever be i bet.

EDIT: is your car a auto? holy crap i be your auto v8 is faster stock than some of the 5 speed super coupes. i really kind of want one now.

[JoeyICU]

yeah i know how that goes haha. i like your car i didnt know v8 birds could be that fast with cheap mods im starting to think about buying me one of those and stop looking for a 5oh stang. and yes those mm&ff drivers are pro. more pro than ill ever be i bet.

EDIT: is your car a auto? holy crap i be your auto v8 is faster stock than some of the 5 speed super coupes. i really kind of want one now.

mine is a freak, i havent not ever found a car to run as fast as mine with the mods i had, i had a buddy who ran 15.1 with the same mods minus the j-mod, but we both had freak cars, stock the V8s should run hi 15s usually, but then again with a j-mod tranny cooler, cut mufflers and removed intake silencer, id expect like mid to low 15s, witch is what i got, i still havent gotten new times with the better flowing exhuast tho, and my j-mod is drilled ver agressive, so the shift is lightning fast, probably why it scoots down the quater so well, o and that car with 3.27 open rear, street tires, cuts a 2.2 60", i get her off the line i guess

[x182dan]

I know 2 guys who drag raced. One with 2003 Mach 1 5spd and the other Dodge SRT-4 5spd. The SRT-4 won all 3 times they raced, it was close, but the SRT-4 is a little faster

[JoeyICU]

I know 2 guys who drag raced. One with 2003 Mach 1 5spd and the other Dodge SRT-4 5spd. The SRT-4 won all 3 times they raced, it was close, but the SRT-4 is a little faster

im assuming this wasnt stock for stock racing, as neon is, at very factory freak best hi 13s, and the mach is very at factory freak best low 13s

[x182dan]

Mach 1's are not low 13's at all. The cars were both stock.

[TbirdSC93]

mach 1s do have the potential to run low 13s stock you just have to be a good driver

[x182dan]

I have seen them run at the track and they arent any better than mid 13's stock. The Cobra run the low 13's stock. Don't always believe those number that are given out for the 1/4 times.

[JoeyICU]

Mach 1's are not low 13's at all. The cars were both stock.


MM&FF mach 1 13.15 they did it but there pro's but it is doable still

[TbirdSC93]

I have seen them run at the track and they arent any better than mid 13's stock. The Cobra run the low 13's stock. Don't always believe those number that are given out for the 1/4 times.

The numbers obviously arent made up so there all possible....dont base your times of a car off a few that made the run at thet track

[x182dan]

I have heard from many people that when they test those cars they tune them so they will get the best time possibly, and they arent the same exact car you are getting when you buy it.

The numbers obviously arent made up so there all possible....dont base your times of a car off a few that made the run at thet track

[TbirdSC93]

I have heard from many people that when they test those cars they tune them so they will get the best time possibly, and they arent the same exact car you are getting when you buy it.

:rolleyes: i have heard...lol from who...your fathers friends co-worker's brother that works for MM&FF

[x182dan]

Well many mechanics I know, trust me Mach 1's are nothing to brag about. My sc has more torque that it 320tq to 330tq

[TbirdSC93]

mach also has almost 100 more HP and weighs a few hundred less...Mach are something to brag about and they can run mid to low 13s with a good driver

[x182dan]

I am sorry I just don't believe they will runs low 13's. These were both 18yr old kids driving. The neon won all three times. I would rather have a camaro anyway 2002 SS would smoke them easily.

[aitkenstyle]

I saw a SRT-4 running 12.9 with exhaust BOV and like 5 more psi. Don't under estamate them.

I've also seen them hand STIs there asses. :D

[JoeyICU]

go out buy the current MM&FF with the mach and the gto on the cover, read the article, come back and tell me if they dont run 13s, yes youve seen them run slower, but no they can and have ran low 13s, sorry to talk like an ***, but how do they tune it, and why would the tune a car for a stock car test?, the mechanics are just speculating about how the mag turned such a fast time

[TbirdSC93]

I saw a SRT-4 running 12.9 with exhaust BOV and like 5 more psi. Don't under estamate them.

I've also seen them hand STIs there asses. :D

i think every one knows those are potent lil cars...its the looks that arent agreed upon

[92redsc]

yeah and low 13s for a cobra? low 13s and 390 hp????? was my grandma driving. oh and this tuning is correct. they let some air out of the tires so it will hook better. haha thats about all they tune,mmff rand a 13.6 in a cobra with just letting some air out of the tires. and a 13.15 is corect for the mach. a stock srt4 and stock mach racing with the same skill of driver the mach will win any day.

[x182dan]

Well lets see a FORD magazine saying the Mach 1 runs 13.15. Of course the Ford magazine is gonna rate the mach 1 faster than it is. The Dodge is faster period I have seen it, both drivers were fine not great but good. The Dodge won everytime by a car length.

yeah and low 13s for a cobra? low 13s and 390 hp????? was my grandma driving. oh and this tuning is correct. they let some air out of the tires so it will hook better. haha thats about all they tune,mmff rand a 13.6 in a cobra with just letting some air out of the tires. and a 13.15 is corect for the mach. a stock srt4 and stock mach racing with the same skill of driver the mach will win any day.

[TbirdSC93]

ok..i can play your way to....My SC is faster than all SRT4s, why? because i smoke the **** out of one at the track, 3 or so car lenghts...and i only run 14.3s...silly magazines always lyin.

[2 Hot 2 Handle]

ok..i can play your way to....My SC is faster than all SRT4s, why? because i smoke the **** out of one at the track, 3 or so car lenghts...and i only run 14.3s...silly magazines always lyin.

CALM DOWN!...
Look both the Mach1 & SRT are very close on ETs. It will likely come down to the driver & which car they drive the best. There are always drivers that just know how to expose a cars potential better than the next guy.
One things for sure the SRT likely gets going a little quicker., but if you were to hold out for top end, the Mach 1 definately got more Cubic Inches & that means it isn't going to be pretty at over 100...the SRT is going to run out of engine.
I talked some more to that SRT owner last weel at the track. His car is stock & he was very shocked himself at the ETs he was getting. The only thing he had was a set of BFG T/A Drag Radials. 1st time out he managed 14.2 & that is impressive at 3500 ft. ( the corrected alt that day was 4200 ft...very good air for us!) That car would easily run 13.5s or better at sea level. Last weekend he could only manage a 14.8. ( the corrected alt that day was 5500ft...lousy air for us!)
Corrected altitude, temp & humidity will always effect a cars ET. ( the corrected alt that day was 4200 ft...very good air for us!)

If you guys look at my #s, you'll see what I mean.
The car has dynoed a best of 376rwhp/407rwtq. the torque # is a bit low due to having to roll on it above 3200rpm to keep from down shifting. We have seen seen rwtq#s as high as 510, but I don't like claiming them cause they aren't consistant & thats in part due to flashing the stall convertor.
At our home track 3520ft we typically see corrected alt between 4200-5600ft
On a good day (4200ft) we will see ETs around 13.35 & mph at 101-103mph
On a bad day (5500ft) the car will run 13.6s at 99-100mph
When we had the cat at StLouis last year I'd imagine the corrected alt was around 2000ft. The car ran a best of 13.01 at 103mph.
Now with what I know I'd say on a good day with a corrected alt ("of say") it should run mid 12s at 108, based on the #s we're putting to the ground.

I think either the Mach 1 or the SRT are very capable cars in the right hands.
I do however think the Mach 1 has more potential.
A stall convertor , Chip, 4.10 gears, exhaust, headers etc,...will surely make it run in the low 12s easily, & relatively inexpensively.

On a side note...do you guys even realise that back in my day (the 70s, Muscle cars rated at 400+ hp used to struggle to run high 13s.
with todays cars being what they are they are all very impressive, even the average N/A V6 cars put down #s that were impressive for V8s of yesterday.
Not to mention they do excellent on economy...something unheard of back then.
Now, if Mfgrs could just built a car to last, like they used to....then We'd have something...but no , now we live in a disposable world.

[mn12freak]

I saw a copper WS-6 on the highway yesterday, he caught me staring at his girl and gunned it at about 60, I downshifted and he got left....how fast are those things supposed to be anyway??? Maybe he wasn't racing but it sure did seem like it.

Other cars that I have definately beaten racing are very numerous, too many to really list, I just got this SC and already have probably 20 kills under my belt, everything from turbo integras to boosted hondas a Z28 and some other mean stuff that chose to discontinue racing after 1st gear...for a top end car, these SC's can drag race pretty good.

Funniest race in the SC so far... Well two come to mind, here's one, last night I had a honda ride right up on my rear when I was the only car on the road. Got in the lane next to me and started buzzing its engine, there was a girl behind the wheel but it was almost 3 am and I wasn't sure where else I would geta race. Anyway I burnt through first just a bit and eased into second and waited for her to catch up, instead she turns left, so I start slowing down my pace and right about then a late model silver BMW blows past me doing about 55-60 with three guys all flipping me off but not looking at me grinning cheesy grins like they don't really want to flip me off but are just going along with it or something. Wasn't sure what to think about that, but I hadn't raced a BMW yet so I absolutely flogged my engine to catch up, I would like to say I caught them immediately but they had probably hit 80 by the time i started chasing them (the guy had it floored) and I was doing about 35-40, about 3-4 seconds later I start hearing a different whine than my supercharger and I realized the bastard is boosted but somehow still not all that fast, and I don't think BMW makes a four door boosted sedan excluding M series models and the E30, but I heard what I heard, anyway about two seconds later I blew completely past them going well over 100, didn't look at the speedo I was looking at them and right as I pass they nail the brake and turn off, guess they thought I was gonna shoot em or something. Woulda flipped them the finger back but above 100 I try to keep my hands on the wheel. Anyway the whole thing struck me as funny...I can just see three preppy friends borrowing dad's beemer to recreate fast and the furious stunts. :)

[KwikGSeX]

I launch at 6500 with my 97 GSX eclipse been doing it for about 3 years now every week end races. Never broke any thing.. God i love it.


You launch your GSX at 6500? Is it stock by any chance? Never heard of any 2g launching at that kind of RPM and not grenading the tranny after a couple of times..

[92redsc]

im pretty calm until someone starts telling me something i know not to be true and then will argue about it forever. a stock (absolutly nothing NOTHING done to it) mach vs. srt with the same skill of driver the mach will win hands down.

[JoeyICU]

im going with what ive seen at the track, srt4 all stock runing 14.2s, a mach 1 stock runing 13.7s, so im going by that, both pretty good drivers as i ran with them a few times, but yeah, street racing, uhh, bad lol, i try and be a good kid with my car, but you know every once and a while you just have to line up, but i hate doing it...

[mn12freak]

You launch your GSX at 6500? Is it stock by any chance? Never heard of any 2g launching at that kind of RPM and not grenading the tranny after a couple of times..


I am not sure about eclipses per se, but on an awd car it's common to rev that high before launch so that all four wheels will break loose, it can actually be WORSE for the car if it revs to say 4000, and the tires don't break loose at all. :eek:

[JoeyICU]

after a few 6k clutch drops, id expect any car to grenade a tranny, or something of some other sorts, like a half shaft, or such, but thats just my idea, i dont think id launch a manual over 4k, but then again, ive always drag raced on autos, so im no expert

[KwikGSeX]

I am not sure about eclipses per se, but on an awd car it's common to rev that high before launch so that all four wheels will break loose, it can actually be WORSE for the car if it revs to say 4000, and the tires don't break loose at all. :eek:


A 6500 rpm dump on ANY AWD car is very stupid.. If the car hooks at that RPM then you WILL take a couple of chunks out of the tranny if the axles dont break first.. Unless the tranny is modified.. And even then its nowhere near 100%.. This goes for Eclipses, WRX's, EVO's and basically anything else thats AWD... Most of these cars get their best most reliable 60ft's in the 5000-5500rpm range.. I know my Eclipse will go sideways at anything higher than a 5000rpm dump..

[SCollord90]

Remember people can say anything they want on the internet...chances are you'll never meet them to prove it wrong either. I don't take much of what people claim to be true. Oh and I've beat a 440 powered drag only Charger at the track. I ran a 15.4 (stock) and he ran a 17 something because he trashed something. Therefore my car is faster than all mopars. :D

[JoeyICU]

i wish i could pick up a low miledge awd eclipse :(

yeah 6500 rpm dumps kinda scare me, id have trouble dumping at 5k to, my cars rev limiter is it 5400rpms, and it scares me that id launch higher or close to a stock 4.6 rev limiter, its crazy man, btw nice eclipse, and, doesnt 5000-5500 hurt your driveline also?

[KwikGSeX]

i wish i could pick up a low miledge awd eclipse :(

yeah 6500 rpm dumps kinda scare me, id have trouble dumping at 5k to, my cars rev limiter is it 5400rpms, and it scares me that id launch higher or close to a stock 4.6 rev limiter, its crazy man, btw nice eclipse, and, doesnt 5000-5500 hurt your driveline also?


Thanks.. And no 5500 doenst really hurt it since I have to slip out the clutch to get any kind of good 60ft with those crappy tires i have on the car.. Im thinking about moving to DR's to see if i can clip off some 1.50 60ft's and possibly a 11.20-10.90 out of the car.. If I do consistent sidesteps tho im told ill leave the tranny at the starting line..

[Dahoopd]

First of all the post started with "raced a WRX" and ended up someones grandmother drives an SRT/4 or whatever. Get back to the original arguement of a SC versus WRX. Think of the real comaprisons here

03 WRX 93 SC
3000lb weight 3800lb weight
300 HP 210 HP
mid 13's mid 15's
$25,000 $17,000

Now these are guestimates but are close. For every 100lbs equals close to a tenth at the track. So adjust the weight and you have a 15 flat SC. Now take in the consideration the $8 grand you have to spend extra. What times are possible spending 8 grand on a stock SC. Now add the fact that a true SC lover or Ford lover is not a ricer. Give them the choice and you end up with a Bad *** mid 12 SC that had the heart and sole of someone put into it. And built by an AMERICAN. Thus beating the ricer by every aspect. Just my opinion, and like an arse we all have one.

[JoeyICU]

[QUOTE=Dahoopd]First of all the post started with "raced a WRX" and ended up someones grandmother drives an SRT/4 or whatever. Get back to the original arguement of a SC versus WRX. Think of the real comaprisons here

03 WRX 93 SC
3000lb weight 3800lb weight
300 HP 210 HP
mid 13's mid 15's
$25,000 $17,000

QUOTE]


if you say mid 13s you mean the sti, the regular WRX does not run that fast, and your underating the SC they run low 15s consistantly stock with a 5spd and a good driver

i beat an off the lot WRX sedan, prolly an auto but it got its *** handed to him, i won by a car lenght, he was shocked, this was after my exhaust install, so i think i gained a little bit quicker then 15 flat, and it was from a roll, and it was cold out, so yeah, i forgot what the point of this thread was a longgggg time ago lol

[Turbong2001]

I see that none of you drive all wheel drive cars much! I have a 97 GSX and i don't dump below 5k any where from 3-5.5 the car falls on its face. 6,5k is the perfect launch on a all wheel drive car. All four tires are not locked in all time all wheel drive! The front is locked but the back two are limited slip. Unless you have the center Diff. welded or have spider gears installed then you will never walk a AWD side ways. The front will smoke while the back will not.. Mine will spine the front just enough to squeal a little at 6,5k pulling a great 1.62 60 foot. If you want to see a sweet AWD go to http://www.shepracing.com/sr_serv2.html

[KwikGSeX]

I see that none of you drive all wheel drive cars much! I have a 97 GSX and i don't dump below 5k any where from 3-5.5 the car falls on its face. 6,5k is the perfect launch on a all wheel drive car. All four tires are not locked in all time all wheel drive! The front is locked but the back two are limited slip. Unless you have the center Diff. welded or have spider gears installed then you will never walk a AWD side ways. The front will smoke while the back will not.. Mine will spine the front just enough to squeal a little at 6,5k pulling a great 1.62 60 foot. If you want to see a sweet AWD go to http://www.shepracing.com/sr_serv2.html


6.5k in an AWD GSX and you are spitting out the tranny.. And the front is not a locked diff.. its an open diff..

[aitkenstyle]

If your doing 6500 dumps in a 97 with a stock tranny i see you havent driven many AWD cars becasue thats retarded. If you slip the clutch a little and run it at around 5500 they launch just fine.

[Turbong2001]

I never said they were lock in the front is limited slip, unless you put in spider gears or have the center diff. welded. I guess i just have a good tranny, i've been doing 6.5k launches in the car for about a year now and it gets it at least once a day. It's hard to ride the clutch out cause its an ACT 2,600 its real stiff. The clutch is in or out no happy medium. The front tires smoke alittle but not long. The only way your gonna walk an AWD car side ways off of a launch is if you have the center diff welded, or spider gear in the front diff. You would have to break all four tires loss. At the same time! 11.0 is good for a first gen. I should be there with my 2nd gen. next year. My buddy has a plymuth laser AWD he has been in the 11s for 5 years with a new but stock 92 tranny. Launching off the studder box at 7k. This has to be taken into acount that both our car run with stock street tires. They spin. Not slicks or radials.

[KwikGSeX]

The front is locked but the back two are limited slip. Unless you have the center Diff. welded or have spider gears installed then you will never walk a AWD side ways.

I never said they were lock in the front is limited slip, unless you put in spider gears or have the center diff. welded.


I have a BM Tranny 4 spyder center diff in the car and believe me i can walk my AWD sideways till the 60ft on a 5500 rpm dump.. With an ACT 2600 you can slip out the clutch.. It just takes some finesse... I find I launch quicker by slipping it out fast than just an all out dump.. My ACT 2600 is smooth like butter.. I guess driving a straight job 15 hours a day has really strengthened my clutch leg :D

[Mustang IIowner]

All this?!?!? Aint No import thats worth 6 pages of thread!! :p

[KwikGSeX]

All this?!?!? Aint No import thats worth 6 pages of thread!! :p


Neither are Mustang II's :D

[JoeyICU]

see, what bothers the hell out of me, the "i hate *insert very large car segment* b/c they are powered by a *insert insult about engine* witch makes the car *sound bad/get crappy mpg/ handle like a terd* etc, etc

its all the same, saying you hate imports as a whole is goofy,se me, i hate some cars, i love most cars, i hate geo metros ( even then the turbo ones suziki made, still kinda cool), i hate astro vans, i hate wrx's, o wait i like those b/c there awd fast and get good gas miledge, my bad

ps - imports means you hate anything not us, like audi's bmw's benz's all that stuff, imports are anything that isnt made in the U.S., witch again doesnt work, a good bit of 'imports' are made in the homeland, so whats an import to you?

maybe its cuase im tired, im not try to diss on you who ever said they hated imports, i just dont get how anyone could dislike anything not from a US founded car company, i love cars to much to hate domestic, or import cars as a whole

[JStudrawa]

see, what bothers the hell out of me, the "i hate *insert very large car segment* b/c they are powered by a *insert insult about engine* witch makes the car *sound bad/get crappy mpg/ handle like a terd* etc, etc

its all the same, saying you hate imports as a whole is goofy,se me, i hate some cars, i love most cars, i hate geo metros ( even then the turbo ones suziki made, still kinda cool), i hate astro vans, i hate wrx's, o wait i like those b/c there awd fast and get good gas miledge, my bad

ps - imports means you hate anything not us, like audi's bmw's benz's all that stuff, imports are anything that isnt made in the U.S., witch again doesnt work, a good bit of 'imports' are made in the homeland, so whats an import to you?

maybe its cuase im tired, im not try to diss on you who ever said they hated imports, i just dont get how anyone could dislike anything not from a US founded car company, i love cars to much to hate domestic, or import cars as a whole

Agreed. I pass it off as jokes mostly though. It would be very sad if the contempt and hatred was actually meant.