What Controls Timing?

Thomas A

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In an effort to trouble shoot a problem, I was wondering if we could compile a list of everything that controls timing on the car, or that could effect it. I'll start with:

Crank Sensor
Cam Sensor
EEC

Thomas
 
timing

Thomas try hooking up a timing light and have someone try and start the car while you look and see where the light is shining on the balancer.

I take it not's starting but has spark and fuel!
So taking an timing light to number one cylinder will give you an idea if the timings way out of wack.
 
The Distributorless Ignition System (DIS) consists of a crankshaft mounted Hall Sensor (PIP) , a camshaft driven Hall Sensor (CID) , a 6 tower coil pack, and a ignition module.
The DIS eliminates the distributor by using multiple ignition coils. Each coil fires two spark plugs at the same time. The plugs are paired so one fires during the compression cycle while the other fires during the exhaust stroke. The next time the coil is fired the plug that was on the exhaust stroke will now be on the compression stroke and visa versa. The spark that is used on the exhaust stroke is wasted but little of the coil energy is lost. Three coils are mounted together in a coil pack. The coil pack has three tach wires, one for each coil. The crankshaft sensor is a digital output Hall device (PIP) , Profile Ignition Pickup, that responds to a rotating metallic vane mounted on the crankshaft damper assembly.

The CID, (Cylinder Identification), signal is also generated by a Hall device, mounted in the regular distributor location. The vane cup has one tooth and is driven by the camshaft.

The PIP output is a 50% duty cycle signal that provides base spark timing. The CID output signal is also a 50% duty cycle and is needed so that the DIS module knows which coil to fire and for fuel timing in the EEC-IV processor. The CID Voltage (VBAT) is high on half of the cam revolution (180°) and low on the other half.

The EEC-IV processor determines spark angle using the PIP signal to set base timing. Spout is sent from the processor to the DIS module and serves two purposes: The leading edge fires the coil and the trailing edge controls the dwell time. This feature is called CCD or Computer Controlled Dwell.

The Ignition Diagnostic Monitor (IDM) is an output from the DIS module that provides diagnostic information concerning the ignition system to the EEC-IV processor for self-test and is also the input signal for the vehicle tachometer. If the CID circuit fails and an attempt to start the engine is made, the DIS module will randomly select one of the three coils to fire. If hard starting results, turning the key off and then cranking again will result in another guess. Several attempts may be needed until the proper coil is selected allowing the vehicle to be started and driven until repairs can be made. The Failure Mode Effects Management (FMEM) system attempts to keep the vehicle driveable in spite of certain EEC-IV failures that prevent the processor from providing spark angle or dwell commands. The processor opens the SPOUT line and the DIS module fires the coils directly from the PIP input. This results in a fixed spark angle of 10°and a fixed dwell.
 

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