New ZR Motorsport/FCI intake kit inquire within

[BT Motorsports]

The prototype of the new FCI cold air 3 1/2" kit is being fabbed up and completed over the course of this week. As an introduction to the market, there will be a group purchase. Pricing will be announced in the upcoming week so for now, please post here if you believe you would be interested in purchasing an intake over the next 3-4 weeks.
This newly designed intake will feature 3 1/2" polished aluminum pipe (NOT ALUMINIZED STEEL OR CHROME), a welded nipple for the PCV connection instead of a grommet and a positively positioned (via weld) lower tube which connects the MAF to air filter through the fenderwell. Several hose options will be available to accomodate various combinations of MAF and throttle body sizes so no one will be left out.
For details on the ZR Motorsport/FCI changeover please click HERE (http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44663&highlight=motorsport)
For details on how to save $100 on the purchase of this new kit, please click HERE (http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47207)

Paul

[Flip]

Paul,
I have a Pro M 77 mm MAFS would it work with this? I might be interested, always depends on price and how it looks. Want to do some sort of cold air; I’ll keep looking for the info to come out.
Flip

[kamakazie_1]

Same here Paul, I'm doing Intake next, MAF, TB and Cold Air Kit... Give us more info when available...

RJ

[BadAzzTBirdGuy]

I am interested in buying the FCI intake. Just wanting to know if one will be available for my other car which is a 92 3.8L T-bird lx. If so also waiting on how much the price would be. Might end up buying the FCI for the lx b4 the sc.

[BT Motorsports]

Flip, this kit is being engineered to work with ANY throttle body and MAF combination from stock to 90mm. It will look quite similiar to the old ZR kit, just bigger and better engineered.

RJ, you are on the list.

BadAzzTBirdGuy, the lx 3.8 kit is complete, out of the testing stages and ready for sale, see pic below.
http://www.bluetonguemotorsports.com/misc/3.8naintake.jpg

Please contact me via email or PM for details.

Paul

[Birdman93]

Paul-

I would like to get one for my 95 SC

[SteveSilverSC]

Paul,
I'd be interested in this as well.

Thanks,
Steve

[BT Motorsports]

Steve, will you be attending racelegal at Qualcomm on Fri with the rest of us?

Paul

[SteveSilverSC]

Paul,
I didn't know that everyone was going to the racelegal event, or I might have gone. I'm not super social on this site, but if anyone would invite me to the next time you are going to a racelegal event and I'll try to show up. Any word on the pulley sets yet?
Thanks,
Steve

[BT Motorsports]

It's this coming Fri, June 25th@6pm, so you can still make it and I am inviting you so now you have no excuses :D Pulleys should be shipping out at the end of the week I am told.

Paul

[SeanMatteson]

Paul,

Do you have any pics of the new SC version of this kit? I'm thinking I might upgrade from my MAC CAI (to get rid of that nasty bend just before the MAF).

Best regards,

Sean

[BT Motorsports]

Sean, the new kit will look quite similiar to the old ZR kit which you can still view on the BTM site. Primary differences are a larger size diameter pipe, welded nipple for the PCV instead of a hole with a gromett, the lower mounting plate will have the filter to MAF adapter welded to it and their will be a multitude of hose cominations to allow the kit to work with any size throttle body and MAF combination you choose.

Paul

[jasonLmarsh]

Paul, will you be offering this kit in a Flanged version for the Lightning MAF users? If so I am interested, depending upon the final price.

[BT Motorsports]

The final production piece will work with ANY MAF.

Paul

[okcbird]

The final production piece will work with ANY MAF.

Paul

Hmmm, great way to drum up business.

Just the other day you were asking Jason technical questions (and therefore me as well because of their nature) about some problem you were having; today you are an outright arse to a simple question.

Ever considered taking some communication courses to better your inability to properly speak to a customer?

-J

[kamakazie_1]

Personally, I think Paul could only say the word "any" so many times in one thread... People on this board seem to skip some of the previous posts while reading...

I really appreciate Paul's products, and I hope the generic members of this board jumping him will not piss him off and make him stop coming up with innovative products for our cars.

RJ

Thanks Paul, keep the stuff coming..

[Flip]

Yea, :D what you said Richard. I thank Paul for his parts also, top notch stuff..

[BT Motorsports]

Hmmm, great way to drum up business.

Just the other day you were asking Jason technical questions (and therefore me as well because of their nature) about some problem you were having; today you are an outright arse to a simple question.

Ever considered taking some communication courses to better your inability to properly speak to a customer?

-J
Well, first off, several people asked that question so it was not directed toward any one person. I do not see an issue with emphasizing the word any. Secondly, Jason and I are friends and I am rather confident he did not take it personally considering Jason has several options to contact me via here or offline directly, yet he hasn't. I have received several raves from Jason and others about my customer service and communication so I really am comfortable with my ability to speak with clients.
With that said, lets not overdramatize this, if you or anyone else took personal offense to it, my apologies. If you still have a further issue, you are welcome to contact me directly off the BBS.

Back on the topic of the kit, I have an appointment with the company that is being contracted to bend the pipes to discuss price so Kris and I can get pricing out to everyone by early next week at the latest. Please keep in mind that once the group purchase begins, production will NOT begin until the minimum # of purchases (to be determined still) is met and lead time may be up to 4 weeks after the close of the GP. Sorry if that conflicts with anyones schedule, however, to bring a discontinued product back to market takes additional capital investment and the group purchase is going to have to fund some of that.

If anyone owns a different vehicle or knows someone that does and cannot find an induction kit available, we are interested in hearing from you. Please contact me with any details you can provide.
Paul

[okcbird]

Secondly, Jason and I are friends and I am rather confident he did not take it personally considering Jason has several options to contact me via here or offline directly, yet he hasn't. I have received several raves from Jason and others about my customer service and communication so I really am comfortable with my ability to speak with clients.

I can only laugh at those two sentences; ignorance is bliss.

Carry-on everyone, didn't mean to make too many ripples in the pond.

-J

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

I would almost gather that was in jest..But I could be wrong...Seems someone has their panties in a bunch today

[okcbird]

I would almost gather that was in jest..But I could be wrong...Seems someone has their panties in a bunch today

I could careless either way, it is the context of the whole thing. When it was said that it would work with any MAF that is a rather vague statement. I would bet that it is not entirely 100% true, unless he can provide a reducer/flange for every size MAF that exists (ya right.)

It is like those "one size fit all" hats that never fit on my head because my head is large.

So when someone asks if it is going to be able to bolt right up to the LMAF flange that is a legitimate question from someone who might have bought one but now will definitly not. Not only did this lose at least one sale but it obviously turned me off to Paul more than I already am.

Whether he was being sarcastic or jestful is irrelevent, the loss of a sale or two (or 3, 4, 5...) is relevent.

:D

-J

[BT Motorsports]

I could careless either way, it is the context of the whole thing. When it was said that it would work with any MAF that is a rather vague statement. I would bet that it is not entirely 100% true, unless he can provide a reducer/flange for every size MAF that exists (ya right.)
Actually, you are correct, it is a very vague statement and one which I stand by. I will make sure this kit will be capable of mating to ANY Ford MAF a person wants to use and do so properly. If this means I need to make an adapter or offer a custom hose then so be it. The redesign of the product is being done as a service to the SC community, it would take nothing special to continue to offer the old kit, but with current options, it is not optimum for the needs of many.
Not only did this lose at least one sale but it obviously turned me off to Paul more than I already am. So now it comes out, you have a personal problem with me apparently. What that problem is I dont know since to my knowledge, we have not had any dealings business or othewise so feel free to let me know anytime you feel like it.
Whether he was being sarcastic or jestful is irrelevent, the loss of a sale or two (or 3, 4, 5...) is relevent.
You have made it clear at this point that you are not aware of why I sell parts for SCs or any other vehicle for that matter with your loss of sale statement and thats fine. However, this is a thread about a potential part offering so it would be nice to keep it on track. If you want to discuss your personal feelings about it or my statements, there is a non tech BBS for this purpose. I am all for listening to your side or discussing it, but in an appropriate area, if this continues to go off topic, I will ask for the thread to be moderated.

[SCYALTR]

Actually, you are correct, it is a very vague statement and one which I stand by. I will make sure this kit will be capable of mating to ANY Ford MAF a person wants to use and do so properly. If this means I need to make an adapter or offer a custom hose then so be it. The redesign of the product is being done as a service to the SC community, it would take nothing special to continue to offer the old kit, but with current options, it is not optimum for the needs of many.
So now it comes out, you have a personal problem with me apparently. What that problem is I dont know since to my knowledge, we have not had any dealings business or othewise so feel free to let me know anytime you feel like it.

You have made it clear at this point that you are not aware of why I sell parts for SCs or any other vehicle for that matter with your loss of sale statement and thats fine. However, this is a thread about a potential part offering so it would be nice to keep it on track. If you want to discuss your personal feelings about it or my statements, there is a non tech BBS for this purpose. I am all for listening to your side or discussing it, but in an appropriate area, if this continues to go off topic, I will ask for the thread to be moderated.

Hey Folks,
I know that it is hard to please everyone, and the smallest most insignificant things can be said that can twist off the last nerve of most people.
Paul as a business man/person may not appeal to some but, when I need something done for my SC or something personal for that matter I would not hesitate speaking to him on a business or personal level.
If Paul can make it happen he will. I can only speak from my personal or business dealings with him which have taken place over the past 4-5 years.
I have never had less than stellar service from Paul which is the only thing I care about as a customer.
Keep up the good work Paul.
D Rainer

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

Its true..Paul bends over backwards (youd almost think hes Greek) to please us guys. And not at a high profit margain at all. I know I wouldnt do what he does!

he dopes it because he has a sick twisted fascination for these cars like we all do

Yes Pity him and but himproducts haha

[IdoXLr8]

Anyway...I'd be interested in one of these intake systems, I would like to see one on a SC...All of my dealings with Paul have been great...just to organize a group buy takes alot of time and there isn't much profit in it...so with a little help from the whole group we can keep these cars around a little longer...and with guy's like Paul...we will! PZ ;)

[BT Motorsports]

Ok, here is an unofficial list for those that have expressed interest. Cost at the moment is expected to be in the $239.99 retail range with a 7" filter, but that is subject to change. We will be dropping the prototype off at the bender this week and need to wait for a firm price as well as any price changes that may take place for those using an LMAF and needing the adapter. When placing an order, customers will have to specify the size of the flange on their throttle body and MAF as well as what kind of MAF they are running to ensure they receive the proper installation kit. Until we receive a firm price on the beginning production pieces, pricing remains tentative.

Flip
kamakazie_1
BadAzzTBirdGuy
Birdman93
SteveSilverSC
SeanMatteson
DamonSlowpokeBaumann
IdoXLr8
Jim Cook
Jerome Tsugawa
bad cat
SammyC
Kornhaus
White Lightning
xr7rocket
Peterdroy66
gotboostsc
veteranbird
Dereks94sc
cheeriosluvr

If you would like to be removed from the list or added, please post to this thread and I will change it accordingly. Pictures will not be posted until the first production piece (single piece used to confirm fitment) is completed and full production is ready to begin.

[jasonLmarsh]

If you would like to be removed from the list or added, please post to this thread and I will change it accordingly.
Please remove my name from the list.

[BT Motorsports]

Please remove my name from the list.
Done.

Paul

[okcbird]

Please remove my name from the list.

Nice. :D

-J

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

I have an oval TB :O)

[BT Motorsports]

I have an oval TB :O)
Not a problem, template is already made to adapt to it :D

Paul

[Birdman93]

Paul-running a stock system for now-how hard would it be to get the adapters later if and when I go to a larger maf and tb??

[BT Motorsports]

Adapters will be available as a seperate option for those who change their setup after purchasing a kit or buy one used down the road. The system is being designed to accomodate everyone's needs which is why it is taking so long to release. I would rather make it work for everyone now then have some sensitive person cry about it later ;) All goes back to that 3 letter word ANY :D

Paul

[IdoXLr8]

Hi Paul...do have any finished pics on SC's yet? PZ

[BT Motorsports]

Hi Paul...do have any finished pics on SC's yet? PZ
There will not be any pics released until the shop rolls out the first production piece which will be used for confirming fitment.
We now have pricing details which are as follows:

Retail price $244.99 SCCoA verifiable members will receive a discount off retail during non sale or promotional pricing. That discount is TBD.
Group purchase pricing:
15-24 kits $217.99
25+ kits $208.99 shipping included.

This kit will only be produced if the group purchase sells 15 or more.

The price increase from previous kits is due to design changes and material cost increases. Prices do not include shipping and handling.

[bad cat]

you can add me to the list thanks

[SammyC]

You can add me to the the list to puchase the induction system.

SammyC :)

[hellakornhaus]

You can add me to that list as well. I will take one for a SC and one for a N/A 3.8 (depending on the cost).

-Kornhaus

[BT Motorsports]

Just a quick update. The shop is expected to roll off the first production piece sometime this week (once again, we are behind) for final fitment and approval. Once this occurs, I will post up some pics and begin collecting money. For those who are on the list, the group purchase will run for about 2 weeks. We will not begin full production until after the first 15 people have paid so the longer you wait to pay, the longer it will be till production and shipping begins. I am on vacation for the week and will be intermittantly answering emails, posts etc during this time.

Paul

[Birdman93]

Paul-

Will send via Paypal around the 20th

Tony

[Birdman93]

Paul-

Any pics of the new intake yet?


Tony

[BT Motorsports]

No pics or progress to report as of yet, we are still waiting on the bender :mad: Pete Roy, for the sake of the progress of this effort, I do ask that "want to buy posts" be kept in their appropriate forum or you contact people directly via email or PM.

Paul

[White Lightning]

Paul, add me to the list, Frank H. aka White Lightning.

[xr7rocket]

If you can assure me the risk of getting watter up in that intake due to its placement in the fenderwel is minimal, you can add me to the list. :cool:

[White Lightning]

You quote 3 different prices, I understand each, but will I get a rebate if we get 25 or more to purchase these if I am one of the first 15 to purchase one at the higher rate ? I wouldn't want to hold things up, but then again I ain't rich either. Frank H. aka White Lightning.

[BT Motorsports]

If you can assure me the risk of getting watter up in that intake due to its placement in the fenderwel is minimal, you can add me to the list.
The new intake sits no lower than the stock pickup from the factory air silencer so there is no greater chance of ingesting water vs stock.
will I get a rebate if we get 25 or more to purchase these if I am one of the first 15 to purchase one at the higher rate ?
If during the group purchase a total of 25 orders are received, those who paid for shipping will be reimbursed for the shipping costs.

I have added both of you to the list.

Paul

[White Lightning]

Thanks mate, now all I gotta do is make the two ends meet that will pay for it,LOL. cheers Frank H.

[xr7rocket]

I have added both of you to the list.

Paul

Cool. Now I have one more thing to do this winter :)

[Peterdroy66]

Paul
If you make it to the 25 mark, I will purchase.
Pete Roy
There will not be any pics released until the shop rolls out the first production piece which will be used for confirming fitment.
We now have pricing details which are as follows:

Retail price $244.99 SCCoA verifiable members will receive a discount off retail during non sale or promotional pricing. That discount is TBD.
Group purchase pricing:
15-24 kits $217.99
25+ kits $208.99 shipping included.

This kit will only be produced if the group purchase sells 15 or more.

The price increase from previous kits is due to design changes and material cost increases. Prices do not include shipping and handling.

[gotboostsc]

I would also be interested in this purchase depending on price. my email is gotboostsc@yahoo.com

[xr7rocket]

I assume this kit is a go now. When will you be collecting payment?

[xr7rocket]

I assume this kit is a go now. When will you be collecting payment?

no answer?

[Dahoopd]

Ok, so we can all agree that my ignorance outweighs my inteligence. And no offense to a better performing product, and kudos to those who try to better the products for an SC. What is gained, I mean significantly from this CAI. My understanding is that the bends are refined, and the tube is 1/2inch bigger. What is to be gained from that. Why would a price tag of $209. out perform a say $179 MAC CAI or a $50 focus SOHC CAI. I would think that just like a hose with running water, and we aren't talking major diameter increase. You get more velocity from the smaller diameter. As far as the pic shows and it may be ignorance again, there is no straight shot to the TB. Yes the quality is there, no doubt about it. But, what is the gain. I really am not trying to piss anyone off. Everyone knows, atleast some of you that i ask some rediculous questions. But to get to the level of the performance world that some of you are at. No question is a dumb question. So again, I am sorry if I pissed anyone off but.........I just had to ask.

[BT Motorsports]

Sorry guys, I have been a bit consumed with a new job I recently started. The kit is underway, but we have been severely delayed due to the bender pushing us back on multiple occasions. Once they get moving, I will begin collecting money from everyone.
Dahoopd, I will have a detailed response for you by tomorrow as time allows.

Paul

[veteranbird]

Hi !

I'm a new member, located in Valencia, CA.
My '92 SC 5spd. could use a cold air package. Count me in.

What do I do now? I've fallen and I can't get up!!

Bruce Lathrop
veteranbird

[BT Motorsports]

I assume this kit is a go now. When will you be collecting payment? Payment will not be collected until the first production piece is complete and can be shown via pics or in person. As you can see, this buy is moving super slow since FCI is at the mercy of the bender (only one within hours of them that can bend thinwall aluminum in 3 1/2") so we are not going to tie up anyones money for longer than it needs to be. There is no question, this will happen, I just cannot say exactly when. Unfortunately, FCI could not gamble on a total redesign without gauging interest first. Believe me, I want this kit produced as bad as the next guy, I have a 3 1/2" MAF I cannot install without it.
Ok, so we can all agree that my ignorance outweighs my inteligence. And no offense to a better performing product, and kudos to those who try to better the products for an SC. What is gained, I mean significantly from this CAI. My understanding is that the bends are refined, and the tube is 1/2inch bigger. What is to be gained from that. Why would a price tag of $209. out perform a say $179 MAC CAI or a $50 focus SOHC CAI. I would think that just like a hose with running water, and we aren't talking major diameter increase. You get more velocity from the smaller diameter. As far as the pic shows and it may be ignorance again, there is no straight shot to the TB. Yes the quality is there, no doubt about it. But, what is the gain. I really am not trying to piss anyone off. Everyone knows, atleast some of you that i ask some rediculous questions. But to get to the level of the performance world that some of you are at. No question is a dumb question. So again, I am sorry if I pissed anyone off but.........I just had to ask.
This kit does not have the issue of a bend before the MAF causing inacurate readings, the larger diameter accomodates the needs of various throttle body and MAF combinations which are larger than 3" and it utilizes thin wall mandrel bent aluminum pipe which is polished rather than exhaust pipe which is heavier, chromed and prone to rust interanlly. As for the pic you are referring to, I presume you did not read all of the thread or observe that it is on an n/a motor and there has not yet been a pic posted of the newly developed product. Lastly, velocity is not a factor here due to the forced induction application.
Dahoopd, judging by the tone of your PM I read today, I guess I haven't answered your questions quick enough and you haven't further interest in this kit, so I haven't added your name to the list.
Bruce, welcome to the club. I have added your name to the list. For now, just hang tight, you will see notification when things start moving forward.
There is a group of us in the SoCal area that get together at least monthly. Our next meeting is Sept 24th in San Diego at Qualcomm stadium for the racelegal drags. Some will be racing and others will be hanging out talking SCs while BBQing. Stop over at the SoCal board to get acquainted with everyone.

Again, my apologies for the slow response to this thread. As most of you already know, designing, fabricating and selling parts is not what I rely on to pay bills, but rather more of a hobby I do for personal enjoyment. As a result, the new job I recently started has required more adjustment to my schedule than expected causing the delayed response. Fortunately, things are settled down now and my responses will be much more timely as they have been in the past.

Paul

[Birdman93]

Paul-

I for one have seen the quality that you and your compatriots put out. I see both of Mike Albee's cars on a regular basis, and the finish work is superb. Just let me know when you're ready for me to send my payment :D

[Dahoopd]

Dahoopd, I will have a detailed response for you by tomorrow as time allows.


Paul,

Thank you for the response. As for my tone...well, it was warranted by the above statement. I don't know you, nor Have I ever done any business with you. I have infact read good things about you and the products you offer. With that being said the PM was sent in apology if my previous post created an adverse affect for you. It was only a question to gain a full understanding of what you offer. There isn't a FAQ or information on CAI's that I am aware of. I apologize once again (dont know why) for the second PM and its tone. You stated you would reply to this post. Considering you have been on here multiple times after your post and the feedback was not given and than not replying to the PM. You can see where the tone came from and why I got upset. But, hey this is a club, where we come to chat, learn and share information. You know like a family...but not. Atleast thats what I thought. Thank you again for your time and efforts. Keep up the good work. Should you have any further concerns with my posts please feel free to send me a PM so as not to fill this thread with the unrelated BS.

[JOE91SC]

Paul
I have bouught the Mac set up not too long ago.. It was recommended by
a few people.. I have asked them about the bend before the MAF. and they seems to have found no problem with the bend.
Actually.. That was my main concern! But now this subject has been brought
up again..

Would you know exactly where it confuse the MAF/EEC. ..Like at what rpm?
or at idle. I do notice something different just off idle.. like after you rev it
up and let the rpm drop.. it goes back up slightly before it would stay at 750
rpm. and where does it effects the performance?


My current set up is with 70mm MAF with the MAC CAI.

I would appreciated if you could clear this issue up.. Thx

[BT Motorsports]

Dahoopd, no hard feelings on my part. Fortunate or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, when I read the boards, I start at the top forum of the members section and work my way down which accounts for why I hadn't gotten back to this thread sooner though I had posted in between. Hell, I still haven't gotten back to a supporting petition I need to write for the SoCal chapter to support keeping the racelegal drags going or follow up on a club event I am planning just to put things into perspective. There really isnt much I stress over in life, but time, or lack there of, sure is one of them.

Paul
I have bouught the Mac set up not too long ago.. It was recommended by
a 4-5+ Scc*** members.. I have asked them about the bend before the MAF. and they seems to have found no problem with the bend.
Actually.. That was my main concern! But now this subject has been brought
up again..

Would you know exactly where it confuse the MAF/EEC. ..Like at what rpm?
or at idle. I do notice something different just off idle.. like after you rev it
up and let the rpm drop.. it goes back up slightly before it would stay at 750
rpm. and where does it effects the performance?


My current set up is with 70mm MAF with the MAC CAI.

I would appreciated if you could clear this issue up.. Thx
This post belongs more in the tech section than here, but I will briefly address it since it does have some relevance as a product. Back in the days when the MAC intake came out, some will recall and quote me as saying the bend is not an issue, specifically in Carlisle 01. Truth is it wasn't back then, let me explain. In 01, the faster cars were in the 13s. Most were not very modified and those that were had the aid of an EEC tuner at their disposal (whether it was being used right or not is another story). As air enters the a bend, it naturally takes the path of least resistance. As a result, it packs the outside radius of the bend, the same location where the sampling tube is if your MAF is attached as it would be stock. The result of this is skewed airflow readings due to a varying density over stock. The PCM then gets freaked by the #s and starts doing weird things like miscalculating load and air fuel ratio depending on where the car is operating (open/closed loop). If you had a stock or mildly modified car, chances are it didnt have much effort or enough to be warranted as an issue by the user. Those with "hotrods of the time" had so much going on, they often would attribute it to be caused by something else or they tuned around it (some knowingly, others not so aware). How it affects each car will be different and relative to how you clock the MAF as well. To really see how it is affecting your car, a comparative data log of MAF voltage and air fuel ratio taken during 2 controlled pulls would be the best way to see how it is affecting your vehicle.
Here is where it really gets relative to the new intake. The old kit had a slight bend behind the MAF. This has never proven to be an issue in any way to my knowledge, however, flow modeling suggests that on high volume engines (meaning high CFM flow rates) with the larger diameter tube, that bend will cause more reversion to take place and can effect the MAF readings somewhat. As a result, I have designed the new intake to have the bend placed a bit further back where it will not be an issue of concern to the MAF readings.

Paul

[JOE91SC]

Paul
Thanx for clearing that up !!

Would you have the pics. of the latest production one? If not.. how much
longer till it's ready..

I'm interested!

Joe

[Peterdroy66]

Can you please update progress on this project, I consider myself patient, but I am concerned of it ever being completed. I am sure the serious buyers would appreciate an update.
PR

[BT Motorsports]

Unfortunately, I have nothing to report yet. The situation here is that it is not my product being brought to market, it is FCI's so I have little control over the speed at which this takes place. The fact that some of the work is outsourced to another company is what is causing such a delay. As always in the world of SC parts, we are a very small group making up minimal sales and usually at the bottom of the list of priorities in the grand scheme of work to be performed. Rest assured, as soon as I have details I will be posting them.

Paul

[Dereks94sc]

as soon as i see pictures you can more than likely count me in :D

[cheeriosluvr]

i want one if we get to the largest price break

todd

[Peterdroy66]

i want one if we get to the largest price break

todd
OK, what has to happen to get this show on the road?
I signed up late, and was in no rush however nothing seams to be happening very quick. I am concerned that many of the early sign-ups may have given up by now, and we will not make the high # price break.

Should this post start again to firm up the numbers? If it starts again can we get more of a warm and fuzzy on the progress to be expected?

Thanks, I need to get this in before snow flys!!
Pete

[Greg Coleman]

Interesting :D

[IdoXLr8]

Do you have any idea of how many of us are on the "interested" list? PZ :D

[Greg Coleman]

I can see that as I went through the thread.Unfortunatly the bender is the problem I see.I guess I can hum and ha about it while I keep my eye on the response from Paul.This will be for my wife's 94 SC. :D

[nanatothesixth]

I"m interested in one, maybe 2 , when the product is complete, just let me know, in case i don"t see it on the boards. thanks! Tom

[xr7rocket]

I'm still in this when it happens, for those of you trying to get a firm count.
I"m interested in one, maybe 2 , when the product is complete, just let me know, in case i don"t see it on the boards. thanks! Tom

[BT Motorsports]

I just got a call from Kris Campos and he FINALLY has the 1st production piece in hand! We are meeting tomorrow to confirm fitment and make any necessary changes. Pics will come late in the weekend.

Paul

[kamakazie_1]

I just got a call from Kris Campos and he FINALLY has the 1st production piece in hand! We are meeting tomorrow to confirm fitment and make any necessary changes. Pics will come late in the weekend.

Paul

That's great to hear Paul...

[XR7 Dave]

Comments voluntarily removed due to argumentative nature of post.

[ScrapSC]

I also hate to sit by and see the price gouging that happens to fellow SC'ers. Shame we have to pay so much for things even when one of our own comes up with something. Seems we would be more of a community and want to help out instead of help each other out of the green in our wallets. That is why I try to do as much of anything as I possibly can. That is why I made my own Main Girdle.

[xr7rocket]

I thought we were going to see some photos?

[xr7rocket]

Alrigth I've lost my patience due to extended non-response and lack of follow through. So please remove me from this group buy.
I thought we were going to see some photos?

[jasonLmarsh]

gee, I'm glad Paul got rude and gave me a reason to pull my name off this list, otherwise I'd still be waiting too :rolleyes:

[okcbird]

We all know how great his blower was.

[metalman]

I am interested. Put me on the list.

[JOE91SC]

Paul

I'm still interested in the new ZR FAI...

How are things going with the proto type/production? ..Any pics yet?

[metalman]

Any new info?

[BT Motorsports]

I have not posted pics yet because we have not been able to acheive the fit and finish we want as of yet. When there are details to be posted, rest assured they will be here. As with any new product, this one has been undergoing growing pains which are beyond the control of FCI. Remember, there are three ways you can have it.... cheap, fast or high quality. You can always have 1, usually have 2 but rarely get all 3.

Paul

[xr7rocket]

The reason I dropped out of this was not the speed of development. Rather it was your apparent apathy and lack of attnetion to this thread. This is your first post on this thread in 33 days. Your last comment was to the effect that we would see some photos around the 17th of october. We have heard nothing for over a month. The fitment problem could have been revelaed weeks ago, apprently we can not "Rest assured" that you will post details as you suggested. I would have been happy just to get the update. Instead, you apparently ignored this thread and, specifically, my inquiry. I assumed you had abandoned the product because I see you posting in other threads and not responding to this one.

On a sidenote, I found the pulley I bought from you to be of great quality and I am quite satisfied with that. I hope the incident in this thread will not have a negative effect on future business I may do with you.

I have not posted pics yet because we have not been able to acheive the fit and finish we want as of yet. When there are details to be posted, rest assured they will be here. As with any new product, this one has been undergoing growing pains which are beyond the control of FCI. Remember, there are three ways you can have it.... cheap, fast or high quality. You can always have 1, usually have 2 but rarely get all 3.

Paul

[okcbird]

I have not posted pics yet because we have not been able to acheive the fit and finish we want as of yet. When there are details to be posted, rest assured they will be here. As with any new product, this one has been undergoing growing pains which are beyond the control of FCI. Remember, there are three ways you can have it.... cheap, fast or high quality. You can always have 1, usually have 2 but rarely get all 3.

Paul

So since they didn't get the "fast" part of it, I take it will be of high quality and cheap?

-J

[BT Motorsports]

xr7rocket, I haven't any apathy toward this thread. I did not realize that by not putting a post up saying I have no progress to report would make you happier. The fitment problem was not immediately established upon installation but it is the reason why pics have not been posted yet. The proto was installed but wasnt right and the pipe we received was not pretty (certainly not photo material, even for proto pics). It was my decision to fix the fitment issues then make it all presentable before posting pics, however, the corrections have continued to take longer to acheive satisfaction so at best, a comment about fitment could have been made 2 weeks ago. The purpose of this thread was to gauge interest and get potential customer feedback. It expanded to updates on progress at a point in time and a medium of information exchange about productivity of the project. I did not ignore this thread or your inquiry, I did not see there were replies to it. For reasons unknown, I only get email notification of replies of 2 or 3 out of 10 threads I post in so unless I specifically view each thread, I do not always know there has been a post made. If you have been following the other posts you mention seeing me make, then you are already aware of my reduced time to surf the boards as of late.

I am glad you are happy with the pulley you received and its quality. It can be considered a demonstration of the quality I expect to be presented with this kit. I do not hold any malice toward your decision to not participate in this purchase or any future business we may engage upon.

Typically, a business will not often discuss issues of bringing a new product to market and that is how this was being treated.
If I felt some time ago that it would become such an issue that it seems to have become, I would have left off with saying what I am about to state:
This kit is still in the R&D stage. Updates and pics will be posted only when significant forward progress is made toward bringing this product to market. The kit is not being abandoned and a lack of updates about progress should not be taken as an indication of abandonment.
Here is a precise update of the most current status of this project.
As of Tues 11/16, the intake tube is installed mated to an 80mm ProM maf and 70mm TB. The maf has a conical filter directly attached to it in the engine bay until a new plate and tube can be fabricated which mate to the maf and place the filter in the fenderwell. The reason for this is because the angle of the bend at the throttle body was incorrect on the proto piece. Upon correction, the angle of the bend behind the maf was now to steep which made the alignment to the hole in the fender incorrect. Once this was corrected, the existing plate with tube passing through it was no longer at the proper angle to mate to the maf and it is awaiting a rework. No further updates will be posted until there is time to rework the lower section, place the filter in the fender and clean up the kit for pics. This project will remain active unless I state otherwise in the future.

Paul

P.S. Parts which I make or am directly involved in are always of the highest quality, they are often not fast to arrive to market and the cost being cheap or not is relative to the purchaser.

[JOE91SC]

Just wondering if this New ZR/FCI will really get into production? If not.. Is the previous ZR/FCI still available??

[JOE91SC]

ttt^^^ :) :confused: :)

[BT Motorsports]

Just wondering if this New ZR/FCI will really get into production?As previously stated in my last post:
No further updates will be posted until there is time to rework the lower section, place the filter in the fender and clean up the kit for pics. This project will remain active unless I state otherwise in the future.
Is the previous ZR/FCI still available??
ZR Motorsports is no longer a business entity and the intake kit manufactured by them is no longer available.

Paul

[IdoXLr8]

Hi Paul, the kit you are working on...is it going to be avalable in the 3" and 3.5"? I'd also like to these fit a 5.0 Thunderbird application...thanks PZ