Whooped a LANCER EVOLUTION?

[darkstar_one]

hey, i was just on the freeway coming down the 105 WEST towards my pad, and i noticed a LANCER in my rearview wanting to pass me by, well he gets an opening and passes me by, so i downshift out of overdrive and i get next to him and we smash on it, i start to pull away from him by 2 - 3 cars before we hit traffic again, he was in shock, or i dont know what the ****, i think he couldnt believe it. Well anyways, i dont think it was an EVOLUTION to begin with, because it had LANCER EVOLUTION, but the EVOLUTION looked funny when he passed me by before we raced, i mean arent these cars rated at near 300 horses? Then why did i pull away from him by such a long distance?

[MIKE 38sc]

A. it was'nt a real EVO
B. He was'nt really racing you.

[Hock]

C. Turbo cars tend to slow down at top end, where our SC's keep pushing.

Had the same thing happen with a WRX.

[al35thsc]

C. Turbo cars tend to slow down at top end, where our SC's keep pushing.

Had the same thing happen with a WRX.
Wrong, you got it backwards.

[Rob Noth]

Yeah, either it was some dumb ricer who rebadged his base model Lancer, or it was real and he wasn't racing you.

I can't even count how many times I've been at a light in my WRX and some kid in a riced out Kia or some similar crapmobile blasts off the line thinking they are racing me. I'm sure most of those kids then go back and post on the "Mom's hand-me-down Kia" Forum how they wasted a WRX. :D

Now why is it none of those kids ever wants to race when I'm in the SC? :rolleyes:

[Hock]

I don't think so.

I've raced several turbo cars (WRX, Talon TSI, Eclipse GSX, just to name a few) and they started to lose steam between 100 and 120. They all got me off the line (except the Eclipse, we started at 55mph and it was back and forth till about 115 and thats when I really started to pull away :D ) but I caught back up to them around 110 mph.

[MIKE 38sc]

Please dont tell my Laser(Eclipse,Talon) that because it obviously does'nt know its supposed to do that. Mine still push's you into the seat pretty darn good at 145 mph. My SC in stock form did'nt want any of it I assure you.

[dirtybird91]

I don't think so.

I've raced several turbo cars (WRX, Talon TSI, Eclipse GSX, just to name a few) and they started to lose steam between 100 and 120. They all got me off the line (except the Eclipse, we started at 55mph and it was back and forth till about 115 and thats when I really started to pull away :D ) but I caught back up to them around 110 mph.

Hock,
This is totally untrue. Turbo cars have much more to offer at top speeds when they are not governed. If you don't believe it just look at some of the cars that set land speed records! :rolleyes:

[ScrapSC]

Guess my wife must have a freak then. While my SC is down for build up I have driven her SC on occasion. It is a 92 5 speed and stock. I mean bone stock!!! I did travel to work on I-75 and just happend to be cruising along minding my own business. I tend to zone out listening to tunes. When this fart pipe packing POS starts riding my arse. I think to myself "Self what is up with this dude?" So I just downshift ease up and pull over to the slow lane. No biggie I am just iddling. Well the little SOB pulls beside me and revs it and takes off. "Self" decides this is time to get the testosterone going and show this POS what place he has in the pecking order. I slide it in third run it on up hit 4th (doing around 115 now) and pop 5th. I bury the needle on her car. I was running well past 120 and it was pulling hard. Her car runs sweet!!!

Story not over::

As I pull about an 1/8th mile on him I just get out of the gas finally and let the car ease on down. Well there is Johnny Law Dog. Yep a full grown bear sitting in the medium next to the concrete barrier. Well the POS doesnt see him till its to late when he does a buzz by. I look in my mirror as I go by and the "The Man" hasnt moved yet.. So, Self takes over again and says "hell with this and I grab a gear and speed up" I pass the POS again and stay in front. Deputy Dog finally turns on his X mas lights and pulls out to give chase. I stay in front of the POS and now we are in 3 lanes. Well he is in the slow lane and I am in the middle lane. Deputy Dog pulls between us and flashes the horn. I act like I dont see him... Yeh right!!! LOL So I keep on driving. The POS turns on the next exit and "The Man" follows him... I hit the gas and am gone.... I was at the interchange of 75 and 64 and decided to just head back west on 64 and get off at the first exit and lay low...

I told the wife what had happend and she didnt seem to thrilled...

She does take her car to the track and run it. There are many a night that she wears out the automatics with her 5 speed on reaction time. She has 4 trophies now and has gotten her launch down to where she can run High 14's to 15.0's.. Bone Stock on street tires....

Well hope I didnt bore...










Please dont tell my Laser(Eclipse,Talon) that because it obviously does'nt know its supposed to do that. Mine still push's you into the seat pretty darn good at 145 mph. My SC in stock form did'nt want any of it I assure you.

[dirtybird91]

She does take her car to the track and run it. There are many a night that she wears out the automatics with her 5 speed on reaction time. She has 4 trophies now and has gotten her launch down to where she can run High 14's to 15.0's.. Bone Stock on street tires....



The last paragraph sums it up. Superchargers are great for low end torque. Turbochargers make more torque from that point on when you compare apples to apples. ;)

[darkstar_one]

so maybe this was just my imagination then??? i dont know what it was then, but im pretty sure it wasnt a EVO, i mean i didnt see an intercooler on my rearview when i saw him on me, so i dont know, but anways, yeah its kool that they are turbo charged. but i swear he was gunning on it too, cuz i saw his face when i passed him and he looked shocked, im guessing that a ford was beating him? well hmmm.... i dont know then, i guess i just wont count this one.

[birdofprey]

I do agree that turbos have alot more to offer on top end, and superchargers are torque monsters. But if you look at all the cars that he raced on the highway were turbo all-wheel drive. All-wheel drive while can still hold a good top end speed, usaully take a bit more time to get there due to the 25% or more drivetrain lost. Thats why cars like the toyota supra are so good on the highway turbo+rwd.

[SCaddict]

I have raced a few turbo cars and I always get them off the line and then they start to catch up about half to 3/4 track. You have to remember that turbos take a while to spool up and build boost. I have seen many turbo cars launch like mad and then lay down flat and then spool again and be gone. Try racing a twin turbo and watch what happens. They have the best of both worlds.

[MIKE 38sc]

The biggest problem with turbo cars is people do not launch them properly, another problem is once people start racing with a turbo engine they decide to start messing with the cam or cams. Thats a big mistake on there part(most of the time) because most really dont know what there doing in that area. All of these things help to feed the legendary turbo lag bull thats out there, not to mention the morons that believe bigger and much bigger turbo's are what they need.

[mannysc]

ahh Mike dont tell em bigger isnt better, the fact is smaller turbos spool up faster and varinozzles and variable vanes ahve removed almost all turbo lag

and made them very close to blowers is bottom end torque.

but yeah let em bolt that 5 inch turbo from a big cam 400 to their hondas,

maybe it will turn ,

its a volocity thing fast air "exh means fast spin smaller turbo spins faster two works great one big ,n is not as good as two smaller ones. sort of like women you want one 250 lb woman or two 125 lb woman?

[dirtybird91]

its a volocity thing fast air "exh means fast spin smaller turbo spins faster two works great one big ,n is not as good as two smaller ones. sort of like women you want one 250 lb woman or two 125 lb woman?


HeHe! :D :D :D
Personally I would go for the two 125lb women, but I have heard that the one 250lb woman can shade you in the summer and keep you warm in the winter. ;)

All jokes aside, correct sizing for the turbo is imperative. According to my sources at HP, turbo lag will not be anything to worry about. Impeller blades and other technology has taken care of lag for the most part. :D
I guess time will tell......

[Hock]

Hock,
This is totally untrue. Turbo cars have much more to offer at top speeds when they are not governed. If you don't believe it just look at some of the cars that set land speed records! :rolleyes:

Well, I was there and I know what happen.

The Talon TSI was from a red light. He kick my rear from the start but I started to close the gap at about 100-110.

The Eclipse GSX started at 55 and was back and forth till around 100 when I started to get some distance.

The WRX we went from a rolling start and I cought back up to him real quick (he only had a new blow off valve and induction).

These are the three that really stick to mind and I know that they were all running hard. All except the WRX got pissed off that a big old daddy's car messed there rice rockets up. ;)

Still waiting to get ahold of a Supra Turbo. There's only a 2 around my area that I have placed eye's on. :D

[dirtybird91]

Well, I was there and I know what happen.

:D
Hock,
Sorry if I came across wrong, but I meant that the information about turbo's stated earlier is wrong. I am not disputing your races. You are right, I was not there. Anyways, we will all see a reasonable comparison between Supercharger and Turbo when HP Performance finishes the project on my car soon. ;)
Also David Neibert is had a mean V8 installed into his Supercoupe and HP Performance will be installing a turbo to that one as well. My prediction is high 9 second timeslips for him! :eek:

[al35thsc]

...running 25psi on street tires 14.3@92 Mph (In Construction)
...

25 psi...on an M-90? This is where I stop reading anything you say, write, or claim. Have a nice life.

[dirtybird91]

25 psi...on an M-90? This is where I stop reading anything you say, write, or claim. Have a nice life.

HeHe! 25psi will be easily accomplished by a turbo. ;)

[SCaddict]

Any thoughts on the power the turbo will add to the 3.8. I am wondering how it will stack up against the AR.

[Hock]

25 psi...on an M-90? This is where I stop reading anything you say, write, or claim. Have a nice life.

That would the tire pressure, not "boost"

That would be more like 12 to 13 psi from the blower (at 50 feet above sea level)

[dirtybird91]

Any thoughts on the power the turbo will add to the 3.8. I am wondering how it will stack up against the AR.


Here is a test that was performed by HotRod Magazine.
-------------------------Baseline------Centrifugal------Turbo--------Roots
Peak HP------------------392@6000------617@6000---------600@6000-----535@6000
Peak TQ------------------386@5200------561@5200---------617@4200-----513@4600
Min Boost----------------1.7@2500------5.7@2500---------4.8@2500
Max Boost----------------9.5@6000------9.5@5100---------8.0@6000
Ave HP(2500-6000rpm)-----310-------------412------------460---------394
Ave TQ(2500-6000rpm)-----365-------------494------------564---------483
Ave HP(4000-6000rpm)-----352-------------518------------555---------472
Ave TQ(4000-6000rpm)-----371-------------542------------585---------497

TQ@2500----------------------------------360------------490---------440
TQ@3000------------------340-------------405------------500---------450
TQ@3500------------------355-------------450------------560---------475
TQ@4000------------------365-------------500------------610---------500
TQ@4500------------------380-------------525------------610---------505
TQ@5000------------------375-------------555------------600---------505
TQ@5500------------------355-------------555------------560---------485
TQ@6000------------------354-------------540------------530---------475

HP@2500----------------------------------170------------235---------210
HP@3000------------------190-------------235------------290---------250
HP@3500------------------240-------------300------------375---------325
HP@4000------------------275-------------375------------455---------375
HP@4500------------------325-------------450------------525---------445
HP@5000------------------360-------------525------------575---------485
HP@5500------------------380-------------575------------600---------510
HP@6000------------------395-------------617------------600---------535

[Hock]

Hock,
Sorry if I came across wrong, but I meant that the information about turbo's stated earlier is wrong. I am not disputing your races. You are right, I was not there. Anyways, we will all see a reasonable comparison between Supercharger and Turbo when HP Performance finishes the project on my car soon. ;)
Also David Neibert is had a mean V8 installed into his Supercoupe and HP Performance will be installing a turbo to that one as well. My prediction is high 9 second timeslips for him! :eek:

Thats cool.

My thing is that there is a BIG difference between a truely streetable turbo car and one made just to all out run. I've gotten beat by my share of turbo cars, and most of them had an idle like a 70's muscle car (minus 4 cylinders).

[Hock]

Dirtybird,

What car was that test on?

[dirtybird91]

Any thoughts on the power the turbo will add to the 3.8. I am wondering how it will stack up against the AR.

Also XR7 Dave has been helping to get this project on the road for the SC Community. He and I will be doing some freindly comparisons of the Turbo and the Whipple. ;) I think we will all learn some things from our tests. :cool:

[dirtybird91]

Dirtybird,

What car was that test on?

Hock,
I am thinking the test was on just an engine on a dyno. :)
I have no clue as to the displacement of the motor.

[al35thsc]

That would the tire pressure, not "boost"

That would be more like 12 to 13 psi from the blower (at 50 feet above sea level)
lol sorry, I gotta quit smoking that crack.

[MIKE 38sc]

lol sorry, I gotta quit smoking that crack.

LOL!! no dont stop! You're so much more likeable under the influence Al, LOL!!!! :p

[Mike Puckett]

I regularly race with a guy who runs a lightly moded EVO. Depending on how much boost he runs, 25-27 psi I think he said, he runs from 13.7's down to 12.7's. The car can be quite quick in the 1/4 mi. What it'll do after the 1/4 I have no idea. But, his clutches only last 10,000 mi. He just had a dual disk clutch installed for $2200. After he broke it in his 6000 rpm launch broke the transmission for another $3500.

[KwikGSeX]

But, his clutches only last 10,000 mi. He just had a dual disk clutch installed for $2200. After he broke it in his 6000 rpm launch broke the transmission for another $3500.


Gee i wonder why he blew his clutch and his tranny...

[Hock]

lol sorry, I gotta quit smoking that crack.

Its all good. I guess I should reword that, your not the only one that thought that.

[darkstar_one]

thats a lil too much money to be dumping on clutches and transmissions dont u think? nascar transmission handle more power than that. with that money i could of given a nice down payment on a YACHT, or whatever the hell u spell it, too much if u ask me, especially to be running 12's and 13's, i would dump that money if it would run 10 or less, but thats a lil too much to be that slow.

[Mike Puckett]

The EVO ran a best 12.4 Friday night and a 12.63 Saturday afternoon with 25 psi of boost.