Sheriff Joe

[Darkside]

I just received this email. What do you guys think of this? I hope this isn't considered political. Gotta love Arizona. ;) :D

I am all for this.................


> Subject:Sheriff Joe Arpairo (You'll Love Him!)
>
>Sheriff Joe Arpaio (in Arizona) who created the "tent city jail":
>He has jail meals down to 40 cents a serving and charges the
>inmates for them.
>
>He stopped smoking and porno magazines in the jails.
>Took away their weights. Cut off all but "G" movies.
>He started chain gangs so the inmates could do free work on
>county and city projects.
>
>Then he started chain gangs for women so he wouldn't get sued
>for discrimination.
>
>He took away cable TV until he found out there was a federal
>court order that required cable TV for jails. So he hooked up
>the cable TV again but only let in the Disney channel and the weather
>channel.
>
>When asked why the weather channel he replied, so they will know
>how hot it's gonna be while they are working on my chain gangs.
>
>He cut off coffee since it has zero nutritional value. When the
>inmates complained, he told them, "This isn't the Ritz/Carlton. If you
>don't like it, don't come back."
>
>He bought Newt Gingrich' lecture series on videotape that pipes
>into the jails. When asked by a reporter if he had any lecture
>series by a Democrat, he replied that a democratic lecture series
>might explain why a lot of the inmates were in his jails in the first place.
>
>With temperatures being even hotter than usual in Phoenix (116
>degrees just set a new record), the Associated Press reports:
>About 2,000 inmates living in a barbed-wire-surrounded tent
>encampment at the Maricopa County Jail have been given
>permission to strip down to their government-issued pink boxer shorts.
>On Wednesday, hundreds of men wearing boxers were either curled
>up on their bunk beds or chatted in the tents, which reached 138
>degrees inside the week before. Many were also swathed in wet, pink
>towels as sweat collected on their chests and dripped down to their pink
>socks.
>
>"It feels like we are in a furnace" said James Zanzot, an inmate
>who has lived in the tents for 1 1/2 years. "It's inhumane."
>
>Joe Arpaio, the tough-guy sheriff who created the tent city and
>long ago started making his prisoners wear pink, and eat bologna
>sandwiches, is not one bit sympathetic. He said Wednesday that
>he told all of the inmates: "It's 120 degrees in Iraq and our soldiers
>are living in tents too, and they have to wear full battle gear, but
>they didn't commit any crimes, so shut your damned mouths!"
>
>Way to go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one,
>there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders.
>Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury
>until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another
>crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and
>enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

[SCollord90]

Note to self: stay out of AZ jail :p

[JSC]

Read around a bit..........Arpaio has had a few good ideas,but stomps on peoples constitutional rights upon arrest. Keep in mind this is Jail...... I guess he is trying to deter you from wanting to jump to the comparetively cushy prison system,where convicted murderers are treated better than the drunks in tent city. It is just easier to keep your bad self out of trouble and only have to read about the place. :rolleyes:

[J.D.]

I wonder, does Sheriff Joe allow reggae music in the jail? Specifically, Bob Marley's "I Shot the Sheriff".

[JSC]

I wonder, does Sheriff Joe allow reggae music in the jail? Specifically, Bob Marley's "I Shot the Sheriff".

Yup,aside from the heat factor and having to wear pink duds, I've heard pretty much anything goes once inside.

[J.D.]

Yup,aside from the heat factor and having to wear pink duds, I've heard pretty much anything goes once inside.
I like the quote in your signature: "Quick to judge,quick to anger,slow to understand,Ignorance,prejudice and fear walk hand in hand".
Are you trying to describe Sheriff Joe to us? ;)

[tim]

Joe the @ss whole. Look people have rights this guys sucks. Hope he gets hit by a truck.

[89_Red_Xr7]

Look people have rights
Thats right, and the sheriff isn't depriving them of anything.
They have tents to live in, bologna to eat, and water to drink.
Whats the big deal?


Way to go, Sheriff! Maybe if all prisons were like this one,
there would be a lot less crime and/or repeat offenders.
Criminals should be punished for their crimes - not live in luxury
until it's time for their parole, only to go out and commit another
crime so they can get back in to live on taxpayers money and
enjoy things taxpayers can't afford to have for themselves.

I think that this hits the nail on the head...

Andrew

[tim]

A big truck

[Darkside]

Look people have rights.
Yeah, the people these criminals hurt, HAD rights, until they were violated. Criminals have, had their choice. The people they hurt, stole from, killed, whatever, didn't have any choice. Even the bible says "an eye for an eye".
Oh oh. Religion and politics in the same thread... :(

[89_Red_Xr7]

Yeah, the people these criminals hurt, HAD rights, until they were violated. Criminals have, had their choice. The people they hurt, stole from, killed, whatever, didn't have any choice.


exactly

Andrew

[JSC]

Let's get this straight this is jail.....NOT prison,you are not paroled from this place. This is where you go if you do something stupid on a saturday night ,get caught,and run into an a-hole cop of which this city has plenty! Criminals go to prison where as far as i'm concerned,they should be stripped of all the rights that we hold dear,especially if they snuffed someone else along with those rights! You could be in the wrong place at the wrong time ,mixed up with somebody elses wrongdoing and be sent to tent city to wait until you get in front of a judge. If that's where you want to be sent in the event of such an unfortunate circumstance,be my guest. IMO i should be treated like a human being until i am convicted of a serious societal transgression.Beleive me,people who are convicted of murder,child abuse,molestation,selling drugs to children etc. should all be....well let's just say i don't wish to house,feed and otherwise support them while they rehabilitate(not) An eye for an eye is right on.

[J.D.]

I'm all for criminals being punished severely which probably would act as a deterrent for most people. However, I'm against vigilante justice and Sheriff Joe types who are sworn to uphold the law and then start making up their own laws. That only fosters abuse and I don't believe that anyone who abuses prisoners can go home and not do the same to his/her own family.

[Mike8675309]

Doing a little research into this Sherif it appears he is not exactly a nice guy. Not that a Sherif must be, but I get the distinct impression that Sherif Joe is a involved in promoting cruel and unusual punishment.

Yet all have to keep in mind, as a Sherif that means he is elected, not appointed. If the people keep electing him, apparently the voters in his county don't mind.

If ever going through Arizona, I'll remember to stay out of that county.

[JSC]

That's the crux of it Mike,they do keep putting him back in office,but that is because the majority of the voters don't break laws and end up eating at Joe's.I guess you'll have to avoid 70% of Arizona,cause Joe rules Maricopa county and it's a big un'! Joe's great for tourism........... :(

[tim]

Punishment should match the crime. When you get a guy like this MONSTER in office that thinks that what he is doing is ok it can have the oppisite effcct. If i lived in Arizona and was getting stopped by a cop knowing i would end up in jail I would not stop. Catch me if you can. Cruel punishment is not ggoing to deter petty crime. It will harden the men that have been in tere and made it a lot worse for the cops. If you had beenin there and got stopped again what would you do to not go back? I would not want to be a cop in that county.

[Darkside]

Petty crime. I consider that a stepping stone in most cases involving a hardcore criminal. I mean, what do you, him, or her consider a "petty crime"? Speeding, stealing, or a DWI? To some people, stealing a car is a petty crime, to me it isn't. It is a major crime. DWI? There was a family here in the recent past that suffered a horrible tradgedy due to a drunk driver. He had been convicted 23 times of DWI prior to this crash. I'm sure his first DWI was considered a petty crime. Now, if this individual had spent some time with Sheriff Joe would he have not committed his 24th DWI? Maybe, maybe not. Some people's lives are more desperate than the potential punishment, and the punishment is outweighed by the possibility of committing a successful crime. Some people don't have a comprehension of punishment or discipline. They can't see that if they get caught for stealing a car, their way of life will be changed forever. I'm sure that spending a few months in a "Sheriff Joe" type of camp would enlighten them. If what they get is hard treatment, hard work, some humility, AND, now this is important, AND an understanding of punishment and responsibility then no foul.

I understand that this is not prison, nor should it be used as a holding cell until sentencing or dismissal, but I understand also that hardcore convicts, just like hardcore alcoholics or drug users started somewhere. It was that first act, whether it was an alcoholic's first beer, a crackhead's first hit, or a criminal's first "petty crime", that resulted in their current state. More than likely they viloated someone's rights during that transformation, and more than likely they were slapped on the wrist by the law at one point or another.
If your 8 year old son or daughter throws a rock at your freshly painted SC and dents it, what do you do? Do tell them, "No, don't do that, that's bad, but don't worry I'll have it repainted", do you take off your belt and whoop their butt's, or do you send them to their rooms and take away all that's dear to them, freedom, video games, or TV for a certain amount of time, and maybe even do chores to pay for the repair? Which one is least likely to prevent them from doing it again? The best form of punishment IMO is to force someone into understanding that one road is better than the other.
You can't effectively rule by instilling fear, you have to rule by earning respect. While this may seem to be contradictory to what Sheriff Joe is doing in AZ, I don't think so.

[JSC]

Petty crime. I consider that a stepping stone in most cases involving a hardcore criminal. I mean, what do you, him, or her consider a "petty crime"? Speeding, stealing, or a DWI? To some people, stealing a car is a petty crime, to me it isn't. It is a major crime. DWI? There was a family here in the recent past that suffered a horrible tradgedy due to a drunk driver. He had been convicted 23 times of DWI prior to this crash. I'm sure his first DWI was considered a petty crime. Now, if this individual had spent some time with Sheriff Joe would he have not committed his 24th DWI? Maybe, maybe not. Some people's lives are more desperate than the potential punishment, and the punishment is outweighed by the possibility of committing a successful crime. Some people don't have a comprehension of punishment or discipline. They can't see that if they get caught for stealing a car, their way of life will be changed forever. I'm sure that spending a few months in a "Sheriff Joe" type of camp would enlighten them. If what they get is hard treatment, hard work, some humility, AND, now this is important, AND an understanding of punishment and responsibility then no foul.

I understand that this is not prison, nor should it be used as a holding cell until sentencing or dismissal, but I understand also that hardcore convicts, just like hardcore alcoholics or drug users started somewhere. It was that first act, whether it was an alcoholic's first beer, a crackhead's first hit, or a criminal's first "petty crime", that resulted in their current state. More than likely they viloated someone's rights during that transformation, and more than likely they were slapped on the wrist by the law at one point or another.
If your 8 year old son or daughter throws a rock at your freshly painted SC and dents it, what do you do? Do tell them, "No, don't do that, that's bad, but don't worry I'll have it repainted", do you take off your belt and whoop their butt's, or do you send them to their rooms and take away all that's dear to them, freedom, video games, or TV for a certain amount of time, and maybe even do chores to pay for the repair? Which one is least likely to prevent them from doing it again? The best form of punishment IMO is to force someone into understanding that one road is better than the other.
You can't effectively rule by instilling fear, you have to rule by earning respect. While this may seem to be contradictory to what Sheriff Joe is doing in AZ, I don't think so.

If you have read up on Joe Arpaio and still come to this conclusion,then so be it. I even agree with you on this for the most part ,except that they do not separate the accused from the sentenced,and in a couple of accounts from not-so-bright freinds of mine i find out the food is always rancid,the water warm,and while there may be no porn or cigarettes,drug use is rampant and unchecked,and if one did not how to steal 20 different types of cars b-4 they went in ,they will when they are released.The old and wise saying "What doesen't kill you will only make you stronger" is in effect.Why do you think it's referred to as Joe Arpaios Criminal College anyway? He deters the small amount of people with a conscience from ever commiting a crime again,and the others,well he turns out criminals with an even higher tolerance for mayhem!

[cato]

I agree that the accused should not neccessarily be subjected to that. However, a semi-quote from frank abignale in a speech he gave (catch me if you can) in france their jail system, "you get bread and coffee for breakfast, bread and water for lunch, and bread and soup for dinner. I was 198 lbs when I went in and 109 when I left. while I was there I caught double pneumonia and nearly lost my life. france spends less than $500 a year on an inmate. fewer than 1/2 of 1% EVER go back. in america we spend upwards of 10,000 a year and %60 percent are back in within 6 months." THATS what we need for our prisons in this country.

[J.D.]

I agree that the accused should not neccessarily be subjected to that. However, a semi-quote from frank abignale in a speech he gave (catch me if you can) in france their jail system, "you get bread and coffee for breakfast, bread and water for lunch, and bread and soup for dinner. I was 198 lbs when I went in and 109 when I left. while I was there I caught double pneumonia and nearly lost my life. france spends less than $500 a year on an inmate. fewer than 1/2 of 1% EVER go back. in america we spend upwards of 10,000 a year and %60 percent are back in within 6 months." THATS what we need for our prisons in this country.
After reading what you just wrote this is what I would deduce about the French way:
1) Since France doesn't have the death penalty it instead uses slow death by starvation.
2) A person who loses half his body weight and catches double pneumonia probably won't live to commit another crime.
3) The French sent the Statue of Liberty to the USA because they have no place for liberty in their own country.
Having said that, I agree that spending $10000 a year on an inmate is outrageous. Obviously a lot of that is going into the pockets of corrupt officials. If we spent only $500 like the French do, then there would be so much less to dip into.

[tim]

I dont think anybody in jail sshould have itt cushy. On the other hand it is easy to say what this guy is doing is good till your son or brother or father lands in there. This country is based on rights. If I have not even gone to trial yet then I am not guilty. Why would you put someone acused but not convicted in a place like that. Even someone convicted in a place like that will come out worse hating police society government. This is not rehabiliation, it will not teach anyone a thing except anger and hatred. Is this what we want?

[kenshi]

This seems like a good idea for a prison, but a bad idea for a jail. Obviously people awaiting a trial shouldn't have it so rough, and I don't think people arrested for public drunkenness or some small crap like that should either. Meanwhile, murderers and rapists are relaxing in the fine establishments we call prisons. I think it's a great idea, but implemented in the wrong situation.

Also, that one guy said he'd been there for 1 1/2 years. I don't know that much about criminal punishment, so why would somebody go to a jail instead of a prison for that long?