Headers - *pics

[tbird88]

Been tryin' to get some spare time to do the passenger side header, it's comin' along halfway decent. Spark plug access is real good from the top, no way from the bottom. Here's one of the pics.

425 + shipping for non-EGR
add 25 for EGR apps

http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2298.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd2598.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6078.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6088.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6098.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6108.jpg

finished product...
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6498.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6508.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/vc/vc6248.jpg

sorry BigAl...display rack not included
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrsdis6658.jpg

'bird

[supercharged95]

awesome Wynn, if you can make those suckers at the price you advertised you'll make bank!

[T1Bird]

Wynn, not to post off topic on you, but I've sent you a couple emails now on my part I had sent to you for the rear differential, last I heard was you signed for its delivery, but you still havent returned my emails, this was back a month or 2, let me know whats up, PM me or email.

Thanks

[CMac89]

I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!

What is the size of the headers, or sizes? They are lookin good. Great job!!

Casey

[CaifanSC]

wow...they look great Wynn! And u can actually SEE the darn spark plugs! but wait...is that like inside the cut out carcass of a tbird for fitment purposes? Man, thats crazy!

[tbird88]

awesome Wynn, if you can make those suckers at the price you advertised you'll make bank!I'm still pretty sure that the price will stick. There'll be add-ons of course because they're not a hassle-free bolt-on, won't bolt up to stock pipes like the Kooks shorties. Don't see any good reasons to keep those tiny (1-7/8") stock exhaust pipes anyways!

Still gotta shorten the collectors and then put a ball end on 'em and then build a 3 x 2.5 reducer with a socket to hook to the collector and flanges for bolts. Then it's on to making the bend in the reducer to bring it to horizontal under the floorboards.

No provision for converters yet, they're not in the plans at the moment, at least not until I can shorten the tubes/collectors enuff to make room.

I'm tired...

'bird

[tbird88]

Wynn, not to post off topic on you, but I've sent you a couple emails now on my part I had sent to you for the rear differential, last I heard was you signed for its delivery, but you still havent returned my emails, this was back a month or 2, let me know whats up, PM me or email.

ThanksAs you youngsters say, "no problem". I still have 3 to do (including yours) but the 1st is clean and just needs to be mounted in the jig and finished. Then it's on to the 2nd and then yours. I recently updated my webpage and kinda wish I had taken them off, got to where I actually dread doing 'em nowadays. I'll email you as soon as your's is done, hopefully very soon, then you can PayPal or mail the $.

thanks!

'bird

[tbird88]

I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!I want some!!!

What is the size of the headers, or sizes? They are lookin good. Great job!!

CaseyHey thanks Mac, the tubes are 1-3/4 o.d. (1-5/8 i.d.) and are 16ga wall thickness, flanges are 3/8" thick.
Granted, some are gonna kick and scream about the pipe size and the 3" collector but they're more than welcome to build they own. If someone demands 1-5/8 o.d. tubing then I imagine that wouldn't be much of a problem but for now this is what I have.

Can't wait to carry a set over to Humble to ASC and get 'em coated!

'bird

[tbird88]

wow...they look great Wynn! And u can actually SEE the darn spark plugs! but wait...is that like inside the cut out carcass of a tbird for fitment purposes? Man, thats crazy!Yep, spark plug AND bolt access! Ya like that, huh?
It used to be an '89 5spd Super Coupe, I mounted it on casters (see pic below) so it's mobile and easier to tinker with. Gonna wind up painting it gray and trimming the sharp edges (there's plenty of those :) ) with some split heater hose.
The valve springs are handy for hanging stubs of pipe on, got me a tray that slips into some brackets in front for holdin' tools. The engine block is mounted using stock brackets but the rubber sections were replaced with 3" tall pieces of pipe. Trans is an old gutted AOD.

A section of firewall is still in place on the driverside for the steering column shaft, it connects to the rag which is of course hooked to the steering rack underneath.

There's small brackets on the frame rails that the collectors clamp to for positioning and then each cylinder is fed to the collectors.

What am I forgetting?

'bird

yeah, that's my 155lbs bundled up to look like 220 but at least I'm warm!
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2287.jpg

[aitkenstyle]

Those are badass! Let me know when u start making more ill deffantely take apair. :cool:

[tbird88]

Those are badass! Let me know when u start making more ill deffantely take apair. :cool:Thanks for the encouragement but I just remembered a potential problem, still gotta see how well (if at all) the #2 tube clears the A/C equipment on the firewall.

Input?

more pics in the next post,

'bird

[tbird88]

Here's some more pics.

'bird

Gotta get from here...
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2267.jpg

to here.
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2257.jpg

[tbird88]

Might as well establish something to hafta work around/against so cylinder #1 goes first. It's the farthest from the collector so a straight shot is a priority.

'bird

#1 tacked in place
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2277.jpg

[tbird88]

A few hours later, #1 and #3 are in place, time to snake #2 through. It's lookin' like there's gonna be JUST enuff room/pipe radius to be able to hit the target. A short stub comin' up outa the collector with a little bit of bend on the end of it oughta connect. We'll see...

'bird

here's a rear view of #2 headed for the collector.
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2307.jpg

[tbird88]

Here's a frontal view, plenty of clearance on the brake line that runs along the frame rail, as much as I could get that is. Clearance with this pipe size wound up being almost 1.5".
Misses the bellhousing by approx 1/2", heat-soak on the starter shouldn't be any problem at all, pipes are also about 1.5" away from it.

that's all the pics for now, time to go stir up trouble with my gf.

'bird

http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2317.jpg

[cowtown]

Man I'm quite envious of people who can fabricate like that. Looking good!

[getblown]

Like everybody and theyre brother, you let me know when you finish and put that beautiful work into production.

Its amazing to see how far weve come since 89...

jOe

[tbird88]

Man I'm quite envious of people who can fabricate like that. Looking good!It ain't all peaches and cream but when ya ain't got 500 pesos for headers...EH! :D


Like everybody and theyre brother, you let me know when you finish and put that beautiful work into production.
Its amazing to see how far weve come since 89...

jOeKoKo is eggin' me on sumthin' fierce. He's got a flyer about American Specialty Coatings in Humble (here in Texas) and he keeps it on the office wall. They do absolutely fantastic work, pretty much put Jet Hot on notice and I intend to get a set coated by them and he keeps tellin' me to get 'em done and haul 'em to ASC.
These that I'm doing now are my "masters/patterns" and the first actual set oughta go smooth. Been thinkin' way ahead on where to cut these apart and all kinds of factors (a LOT of 'em) to make fabrication of the final version as smooth as possible and installation a breeze.

Believe it or not, these can be slipped in from the bottom without removing the starter or even the spark plugs. Of course, I know ya chance crackin' an insulator (or 2 or 3 or...) but just thought it worth mentioning.

Already anticipating an EGR tube extension (among a million other details).

here's some more pics,

'bird

#2 tube is done, just need to cut the length and slip the collector on.
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2347.jpg

Can't see the #5 tube, it's hidin' under #4, but I moved it inboard further away from the steering joint. #6 is gonna get moved/twisted outboard.
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs2327.jpg

[mannysc]

damn Wynn I didnt know you did headers.

even i will stand inline for a header from wynn!!

[Jim Demmitt Jr]

"When your done"

Let me know will buy a set thoses are nice!
Nice bends big my Kooks long tube headers after pulling the trans drivers side and passangers side cracked around ports one split tube its from the viberation yours looks to have better flow.will test on my flow bench on the head again vey nice as all your work is.

For best performance buy Wynns you can tell by looking at his work it would be no problem to Jet Hot coating them :)

[Andy 94SC]

Those do look very promising. Any thought's of making them in stainless?

[tbird88]

Stainless? Someone asked me that question a long time ago, I suggested that they buy the tubing and send it to me and I'd be happy to use it instead.

About the ASC part...I frequent a Cobra bbs and several of them throw rocks at JetHot and others. They swear by ASC.
Keep in mind that these are $200,000 cars and normally you'd think $ is no object but these dudes want absolute quality for their $. All of them that have had stuff done by ASC are extremely happy with ASC's quality so that's enuff for me. Hopefully, I can take the first complete set to ASC, can't wait!

'bird

[tbird88]

For those that haven't seen it, here's a pic of the driverside from my Fabrication page. As noted in an earlier post, #4 & #5 have been tweaked a little. #6 is goin' under the knife tomorrow for a slight adjustment.

'bird

http://www.datarecall.net/~tbird88/index/parts/alum/drside5896.jpg

[seawalkersee]

Are you going to maybee consider doing a v-8 header fer our cars?

Chris

[tbird88]

Are you going to maybee consider doing a v-8 header fer our cars?

ChrisHadn't crossed my mind but of course I'd hafta have these well on their way first (among a zillion other cool little things I have layin' around waitin' to be finished).

Who makes them for the 5.0's now, are they high-dollar?

'bird

[seawalkersee]

I dunno. Im lookin for that alternative for the 4.6 to the Kooks or JBA. The Kooks are good but spendy.

Chris

[tbird88]

I dunno. Im lookin for that alternative for the 4.6 to the Kooks or JBA. The Kooks are good but spendy.

ChrisHere's an idea: Maybe check with Rich at MN12 Performance and see if he can put together a Group Buy. Seems the bunch on TCCoa woulda tried that, don't know if they have.

hmm?

'bird

[MagpoweredSC]

Wynn is there any ball park estimate when these will be for sale cuz i really want a set.




Mark

[tbird88]

Wynn is there any ball park estimate when these will be for sale cuz i really want a set.

MarkThese that I have are excellent patterns, very anxious to see a fully-done set myself but I need to get ahold of another batch of J-bends and related parts. I'm hopin' that happens within the next coupla weeks.

thanks for the encouragement,

'bird

[dode]

Looks good. I went a little longer on mine, and I have an extra cylinder to deal with. I managed to get all of mine inside the steering shaft too, though it definitely would have been easier the other way.

http://members.tccoa.com/dode/headers_13.jpg

John

[T@Sound-Xtreme]

mmmmm ceral.



Those things look awesome!


Tyler

[tbird88]

Looks good. I went a little longer on mine, and I have an extra cylinder to deal with. I managed to get all of mine inside the steering shaft too, though it definitely would have been easier the other way.

JohnLooks like you won't have any problems keepin' your feet warm...or your legs...or your rear...

:D

'bird

[dode]

Looks like you won't have any problems keepin' your feet warm...or your legs...or your rear...

:D

'bird

Why is that? I think I have more clearance to the body than the stock parts.

John

[tbird88]

Why is that? I think I have more clearance to the body than the stock parts.

JohnOn second glance, they don't look as long as the first time. The bundle leading to the collector said "radiator" to me and all I could think of was heat radiation. Then again, they don't look like they extend that far under the floorboard, do they?

I'm on a 28k dialup but let's see the other side,

'bird

[dode]

The primary length is 36", leaving the end of the collector about 6" in front of the transmission crossmember. The other side ends in a similar position, but it is not complete yet. It is however much simpler without the steering shaft to deal with.

John

[seawalkersee]

Hey Wynn, have you been on the port plate thread of this forum? I was wondering if you had an intrest on the matter. The headers look good but would produce even higher gains if there was an improvement inside the head...

Chris

[tbird88]

Hey Wynn, have you been on the port plate thread of this forum? I was wondering if you had an intrest on the matter. The headers look good but would produce even higher gains if there was an improvement inside the head...

ChrisYep, been on the thread but I'm a one-horse operation. Played around myself and built a one-off port plate, it's easy but it's also very time-consuming. I figured Morana or Livernois or someone else would step up.

'bird

[seawalkersee]

How well did yours do? Was there any noticable gain?

Chris

[Sharon Silver]

I sure would like a set of those for my 5.0.

[tbird88]

How well did yours do? Was there any noticable gain?

ChrisI only built one and slipped it into one the chunks of cylinder head that I have layin' around. It's a simple hand-shaped piece with a tab on it to keep it from fallin' too far into the head. Lookin' at the time it took to make that one, I'm not very interested in doing dozens of 'em.

In my book, I figure it's a prerequisite to pull the heads if ya wanna get in the 13's and stay there (valve job, springs, etc). And when ya get the heads off, might as well go ahead and do it right and break out the MIG and do some welding and grinding.
Don't get me wrong, plates would be fantastic if someone could produce them on a mass scale, just ain't gonna be me.

'bird

[mannysc]

this is why I like Wynn tells it like it is honesty rules . hats off to you Wynn,

wish I had the brains to say nope cant do it id be much happier
no sense in working your butt offf for small change. put in $200 labor into a $50 part . like he said better to break out the welder and do it right. I did mine and am as happy as can be with the outcome.

a good D shaped exh with roof cut and welded works for me and floor welded up to form a D just some recontouring of the port yes i know its out of the realm for most to weld heads and port but its the best way.

if you make a plate it does not take in the upper port issues. our exh port is aimed up and exh manifold is aimed down /\ not a good flowing port


but what the hell do I know

[MagpoweredSC]

any updates on the sc headers?

[V8Supercoupe]

I was just checking these out. They look good.

Just to add some food for thought as far as clearance goes. I swapped a 5.0 into my 93 SC. I put MAC equal length headers on that car,,,,,,but there is a problem. The collector lands smack on top of the steering shaft.
Over at the TCCOA I learned about a steering mod which relocates the steering shaft to accomodate these headers. There is a bearing support mounted to the side of the engine compartment and a couple of Flaming river joints used to re-configure. Would that help you at all? I think it would beat feeding the shaft through the header.

Just a thought, just figured I'd throw something out there.

Skip

[tbird88]

any updates on the sc headers?Yep, here's a pic of the passenger side. Doing these for a customer that wouldn't take no for an answer LOL! He's been very patient because this is a duplicate of one I did last weekend that didn't turn out exactly like I wanted. The 1st one will go on my personal car, this one will go to the customer.
Only hitch I have right at the moment is setting up the perfect fitting for EGR. Won't be long before I find just the right one to use and then it'll be smooth sailing.

Last but not least...due to pipe prices increasing and a few other things, non-EGR headers are gonna sell for 425, EGR-style probably about 450.

http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd2598.jpg

'bird

[mannysc]

Never mind not what I thought this post was about :D :confused: Yep, here's a pic of the passenger side. Doing these for a customer that wouldn't take no for an answer LOL! He's been very patient because this is a duplicate of one I did last weekend that didn't turn out exactly like I wanted. The 1st one will go on my personal car, this one will go to the customer.
Only hitch I have right at the moment is setting up the perfect fitting for EGR. Won't be long before I find just the right one to use and then it'll be smooth sailing.

Last but not least...due to pipe prices increasing and a few other things, non-EGR headers are gonna sell for 425, EGR-style probably about 450.

http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd2598.jpg

'bird

[seawalkersee]

What did you think it was about? By the way...do you still have your cam sensor advanced? What are the effects over the long term?

Chris

[mannysc]

What did you think it was about? By the way...do you still have your cam sensor advanced? What are the effects over the long term?

Chris
yes its advanced great bottom end I tune it this way if i turn it i cAN HAVE TOP END LIKE A SMALL BLK CHEVY REV FOR POWER OR ALL BOTTOM END LIKE A BIG BLOCK OR STOCK SC . NO DAMAGE SO FAR and passes calif smog.

if I get bad gas I simply turn cam sensor until it dont ping or retard my timing,

when i get good gas or mix fuel i make it run hotter, they say it dont work but its just like the old days of backing and avancing the distributer.


I even made a special tool to get at bolt and one to turn cam sensor. while running. thinking of making a cable driven contraption like a old days choke cable. with stops built in .

[tbird88]

Mannferd, don't mean to interupt y'alls chitchat but I got a good bit done on the driverside.

http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6078.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6088.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6098.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6108.jpg

'bird

[NorthrnSCownr]

Nice work Wynn.
Thanks again for the double IC.
Tom

[tbird88]

Nice work Wynn.
Thanks again for the double IC.
TomSorry, meant to touch bases with you about how it worked out. Glad you're satisfied with it, if it was just a little prettier I would've sanded & polished it out and kept it because it's one of my nicer ones.

Like those gaskets?

'bird

[T@Sound-Xtreme]

looks good wynn, if i dont go ahead with the 302 swap i will for sure be in for a set!!


Tyler

[tbird88]

looks good wynn, if i dont go ahead with the 302 swap i will for sure be in for a set!!


TylerThanks for the compliment, here's a coupla more overall pics of the finished product. These are sold and on their way to the customer this week.

http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6498.jpg
http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrs2nd6508.jpg

'bird

[tbird88]

Here they are bolted on the engine in the jig.

http://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/vc/vc6248.jpg

'bird

[seawalkersee]

So is it impossible to get you to help out us 4.6 guys? I know I asked before but I hate gettin ****. We only have two choices you know and yours would be a good alternative....C'mon....Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ese.

Chris

[tbird88]

So is it impossible to get you to help out us 4.6 guys? I know I asked before but I hate gettin ****. We only have two choices you know and yours would be a good alternative....C'mon....Pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ese.

ChrisI'd build 'em if I had a dummy longblock and trans. Trans is no problem, got a rebuilder down the street that sold me an AOD hull for $15 but gettin' a trashed longblock had been a lil more work.
There's a scrap dealer about 20 miles south of me that crackheads bring all kinds of cool stuff to, found a Dodge intercooler there for $18 (!!!) He gets longblocks in every week but said he sells 'em to a rebuilder in Houston, I'll have to check with him to see what $ it'll take to get a core from him.

1) Any ideas of the differences between a v6 & v8 k-member?
2) Are there any?
3) How much are v8 headers goin' for?
4) Build midlength or longtube?

'bird

[seawalkersee]

I believe the Ks are the same, its the mounts that are different. They are about $600+ after they are coated or you can get the ***** to Chrome for pretty cheep, but they crack. I do not know how much of a difference there would be power vs. drivability vs. cost. I will look into getting you a long block. I have one here but its still in the car. Just checked on the price. They are 535.00 uncoated and 690.00 coated through SCP. Thats a Kooks header.

Chris

[tbird88]

I believe the Ks are the same, its the mounts that are different. They are about $600+ after they are coated or you can get the ***** to Chrome for pretty cheep, but they crack. I do not know how much of a difference there would be power vs. drivability vs. cost. I will look into getting you a long block. I have one here but its still in the car. Just checked on the price. They are 535.00 uncoated and 690.00 coated through SCP. Thats a Kooks header.

ChrisAppreciate that thought but I can handle gettin' a longblock, just need to take some time out and hustle one up and then get it to the shop and mounted into the jig. Midlengths look very do-able, anyone recommend a pipe size?

'bird

[MagpoweredSC]

Is there a set in stone price for the SC headers, and what kind of lead time can be expected?





Mark

[tbird88]

Is there a set in stone price for the SC headers, and what kind of lead time can be expected?

Markhttp://www.texasthunderbirds.com/fab/hdrs/hdrsdis6658.jpg

Sure, 425 for non-EGR & 450 for EGR-equipped apps.

Delivery? You want a set now or later?

Now?...Depends on the workload at Koko's (where I work) and how many initial sets get ordered (looks like 3 more serious buyers at the moment). Get in line now and it could be 2-3 weeks if I have to do them on my own time.

Later on down the road?...we could all die tomorrow so order soon! :D

thanks,

'bird

[seawalkersee]

I will look into the pipe size. Would it be easier if I were to buy a set of Mustang headers and have you make them fit? I am pretty sure it is a question of where the steering shaft goes by.

Chris

[tbird88]

I will look into the pipe size. Would it be easier if I were to buy a set of Mustang headers and have you make them fit? I am pretty sure it is a question of where the steering shaft goes by.

ChrisNot sure I understand your question about Mustang headers. Do you mean a set for a 4.6? Don't have a use for them, my 4.6 MN12 headers would be built from scratch like the 3.8 sets.

If you mean sending in a set for a v6 then what can happen is someone can send just the driverside Mustang header, I install it with stock exhaust on my jig, then modify it with new collector pipe to fit properly. No denting/crushing etc, just remove the curved collector and transform it to straight and use the old ball flange.

'bird

[mannysc]

damn Wynn I never knew you had such a big primary pipe!

whew they are bigger in Texas!!!!#@#@#@ :D

[seawalkersee]

That did answer my question, thanks. Hay manny, I had an idea for your cam sensor. Why not adapt a nitrous remote opener to it? Then when you flip the switch it will advance it. When you turn it off it will go back to normal.

Chris

[Hock]

I may have missed it somewhere, but, how long does it take to make these headers?

I would like to get a set if possible.

Drop me a PM and let me know how it will work out.

[tbird88]

I may have missed it somewhere, but, how long does it take to make these headers?

I would like to get a set if possible.

Drop me a PM and let me know how it will work out.No firm quote on construction time because of my normal work duties. I work in a shop where ya never know from one moment to the next what you'll be doin'. Could be dead for a few hours then all of a sudden there's hours of welding or wrenching on whatever comes in the door. It's the ultimate "fix-it shop" between Houston and Baton Rouge.

"Should" take a week or so but then again it could be approx 2-3 weeks depending on what Koko comes up with and what other SC work comes in the door. I know, I know...it should be 1st come 1st served on the SC stuff but it all kinda blends together. For example, if a set of manifolds shows up for porting then I pull the studs and then hog 'em out and get 'em to the shotpeener across town as time permits. Then it's back to whatever Koko puts on my plate or else the headers...then again, it's a lot easier to concentrate on headers in the evenin'. Shut the doors, put some Blues in the jukebox, open a Coke and start cuttin'/piecin' together more pipes.

I have several that have already spoken for a set but it hasn't changed from when I did the 1st complete pair. First person that lays the $ down is first person in line. That's the only fair way to do it and keeps the bs to a minimum. Already have another passenger side almost complete, will start on the driverside soon, $ might be showin' up in the mail from Oklahoma for these but we'll see what happens.

If no $ shows up then I'll simply post an ad on the For Sale section of the SCCoA Classifieds. Also, won't be long before I post a set on evilBay as there are still people callin' the shop every week that still haven't heard of the SCCoA, they find me through Google and word of mouth. Hope the headers on eBay will attract not only attention to my website but to the SCCoA as well.

'bird

[seawalkersee]

You know Im gonna ask it...You gonna make the v-8 headers?

Chris

[mannysc]

work the terrible price you pay for sucsess.

lots of it means your doing good not time to spend the money or enjoy it .

make sure you work the littl lady into your schedual.

and take time to enjoy life Wynn,

go camping water skiing , fishing , what ever you love most , dont work your self to death .

Id rather get stuff from you late than have you get burned out on us.

oh yeah love the headers look great if I didnt already have a set of macs id get yours but $$$ being what it is im already over budget. lots of luck my Texan buddy.

pace yourself your like a engine run it at 9.000 rpms it will break.
run it at 3000 rpms itll last forever.

anywho its mothersday and i need to get off this damn computer . :cool:

[tbird88]

You know Im gonna ask it...You gonna make the v-8 headers?

ChrisYou can bet on it. Just gotta get that chance/time to go pick up the 4.6 2V longblock. Just not enuff hours in the day the past few weeks :)

'bird

[tbird88]

Id rather get stuff from you late than have you get burned out on us.Like I've said before...if I can streamline my lil racket in some way then it'll get better. A computer at the shop would do wonders, can't divulge why at the moment but believe me it would do all the good.
One personal hitch I hafta get past is the idea of keepin' extras on the shelf. Pretty much goes unsaid that whatever I build will sell soon unuff but gettin' myself to believe that and invest the $$$/time in stuff is part of the problem. I'll keep workin' on that.

thanks,

'bird

ps: watch it Manny, I don't trust you when you get that group-hug look in yer eye... :eek:

[mannysc]

but Wynn i want to group hug you . Im 300 lbs no matter how I hug you its a group hug.