QUOTE"I hung with an '03 Cobra today in my srt-4" UNQUOTE. hilarious, must watch

[SCMakeiv]

LINKY (http://www.radford.edu/~jseemuell/neons.wmv)

haha its going around on the bcj body forums, my friend showed it to me, i was laughing on the floor, at least...until i remembered that one smoked me from a roll this fall. :o take him for a windy drive this spring and we will see about that :rolleyes: Had to post it, hope you all like it. btw, ive only watched it once, but whats the first car? kinda sounds like ours :p Brett

P.S.- looks like a stang...but when it gets close its just a blur :D :eek:

[68COUGAR]

The vid. is 25 Meg!!!!!

68COUGAR

[Grims95SC]

Yeah 25MB but so good and so worth it! SRT-4s may be pretty fast but in the end, they're just a modded Neon. :eek:

[ThunderRoad]

What More To Say!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[SCaddict]

When I get my car back together I have one I want to race. I heard a friend of mine say the car has like $60,000 into this thing (which is not true). I think it has a BOV so that it sounds cool. :cool: I would love to destroy it! Stock SRT-4's around here that I have seen with ok drivers run low 15's maybe high 14's with a good driver.

[getblown]

Stock SRT-4's around here that I have seen with ok drivers run low 15's maybe high 14's with a good driver.

Ummm are you living in the severily under-emstimated world of neons or what?

The guy that runs with superstallions.com com... Has a blue SRT neon and ran a 13.2 at the last time i saw him and all he did was unscrew a bolt from the wastegate... and disconnect the battery to get rid of the "CHECK ENGINE" light...

jOe

[Micahdogg]

http://horsepowerjunkies.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12318

srt4 own3z joo

[darkstar_one]

god damn, SRT-4 suck, i mean, if we can beat GT's like whatever, even the modded ones, damn we can whoop SRT-4's then, and all this time i thought they were fast, oh well, gotta show this one to my friends. The cars i do fear are the WRXs and the EVO, the EVOs with turbo of course :D, wouldnt mine owning a 03 COBRA :p

[XR7 Dave]

Ummm are you living in the severily under-emstimated world of neons or what?

The guy that runs with superstallions.com com... Has a blue SRT neon and ran a 13.2 at the last time i saw him and all he did was unscrew a bolt from the wastegate... and disconnect the battery to get rid of the "CHECK ENGINE" light...

jOe

Perhaps you missed the part about "stock". I've also seen many stock Neon SRT's running mid 14's. Good drivers with a lot of practice net 14.0-high 13's maybe with good tires. Just because "removing a bolt" from the wastegate doesn't seem like a mod to you, the fact that boost is increased makes it no different of a mod than putting a big supercharger on an SC. Net result = increased boost. An otherwise stock SC with increased boost can make 300rwhp, only problem is it's a little more involved than tricking a wastegate.

[SCMakeiv]

Perhaps you missed the part about "stock". I've also seen many stock Neon SRT's running mid 14's. Good drivers with a lot of practice net 14.0-high 13's maybe with good tires. Just because "removing a bolt" from the wastegate doesn't seem like a mod to you, the fact that boost is increased makes it no different of a mod than putting a big supercharger on an SC. Net result = increased boost. An otherwise stock SC with increased boost can make 300rwhp, only problem is it's a little more involved than tricking a wastegate.

Too true, im sure there have been many srt-4 owners that have done that "innocent" little mod of up'ing the boost...but as soon as i think of that it reminds me of the yellow one that was at the track and spewed its guts out all over. Plus, ive heard they dont handle very well, even aside from the pull to the right everytime the clutch engages...cant wait till i can play with one again.

[getblown]

Tuesche dave... Understood but still they are good for a high 13 with the right driver...

IM SKEPTICAL ABOUT ALL OF THE CARS RACED... ILL EXPLAIN....

1. First, the beginning car is obviously a new cobra
2. The Mustang GT would be a good race as shown
3. The MINIVAN in the second race is mostlikely a turbo...
- I have seen Turbo Chrysler Minivans run high 10s with a good set up and obviously that one had a nice setup.
4. The '03 cobra would walk on a modded SRT... :rolleyes:
5. and the last race which looks like a stanza... or maxima. I have seen a stanza with a VR-4 set up in it... wait after further pausing and playing back i have seen a tracer...... a tracer... never mind :o haha

jOe

[Micahdogg]

Are we hating on SRT4's because they have to up the boost to run 13's? IS that why they suck? Oh, and because they are a Neon?

I know what I would tell someone if they said my car sucks cause I had to mod it to run 13's........oh, and it's a T-Bird.

Micah

[darkstar_one]

no, i think we are hating becuase, alot of SRT-4 owners think they are the ****, talking about they are un-modded, they are the same thing as the CIVIC NATION, talking all **** about how fast there cars looks, but when its time to step upto the plate, man do they **** on themselves, if that GT can take on that NEON, and our SCs can easily beat GTs then....???

[XR7 Dave]

I'll tell you what I'm hating. I hate it when knuckleheads are taping a race and they keep jumping the camera all around so you can't see what the heck is going on. On the horsepower junkie video I could never tell what was going on. Of course my sound doesn't work so that doesnt help either.

I will tell you one thing. I rode back to back in my XR7 0-120mph and then in a quick civic with a V-tech motor swap. I like the fact that the XR7 is a one finger on the wheel job whereas the Civic was all over the road (the road wasn't exactly glass either). I love the MN12 stability.

[XR7 Dave]

no, i think we are hating becuase, alot of SRT-4 owners think they are the ****, talking about they are un-modded, they are the same thing as the CIVIC NATION, talking all **** about how fast there cars looks, but when its time to step upto the plate, man do they **** on themselves, if that GT can take on that NEON, and our SCs can easily beat GTs then....???

Our SC's can't beat **** stock and if you think otherwise you are smokin' some good stuff.

[darkstar_one]

whatever, this thread is pointless, i think i will unsubscribe... you are right, we cant beat anything stock, not even old people on those powered scooters.... boy does my car suck! :o

[SCMakeiv]

no, i think we are hating becuase, alot of SRT-4 owners think they are the ****, talking about they are un-modded, they are the same thing as the CIVIC NATION, talking all **** about how fast there cars looks, but when its time to step upto the plate, man do they **** on themselves, if that GT can take on that NEON, and our SCs can easily beat GTs then....???]

Whoever said that we can easily beat GT's? the way i have seen it is that the 5.0 and 4.6 GT's have always been either way battle with our sc's, with the mid 90's being the slower of them all? After 99 is a different story with the GT's, and even more-so with the 2005 ive heard. A kid i knew got a '00 that was written off but rebuilt for rather cheap, still all stock and with my intake, exhaust and 5% pulley he still had more pull as soon as he shifted. Even with all the things im doing this winter i think that a 99+ GT will never be a automatic win. Im not saying that srt-4s are slow, heck, not many new $2x,xxx cars pull a flat 14, if any. But thats the problem i have with them, is that they spent the money on the motor and front end assembly, where as the rest of the car is definatly missing quality. Where as our thunderbirds were built very well i think, comfort and quality was not overlooked for power. Also that they are front wheel drives and everytime they shift i fear that my poor birdy is gonna get side swiped :eek: Brett

[SCaddict]

Ummm are you living in the severily under-emstimated world of neons or what?

The guy that runs with superstallions.com com... Has a blue SRT neon and ran a 13.2 at the last time i saw him and all he did was unscrew a bolt from the wastegate... and disconnect the battery to get rid of the "CHECK ENGINE" light...

jOe
Ummm... I am not blind and DID see what I posted. I have seen it several times. We are also at like 5000 or 6000 feet above sea level. Modded SVT cobra's run mid 13's here. I have been told that the two hardest places to build power is Calgary and Colorado. Don't be such a skeptic. :)

[getblown]

Ummm... I am not blind and DID see what I posted. I have seen it several times. We are also at like 5000 or 6000 feet above sea level. Modded SVT cobra's run mid 13's here. I have been told that the two hardest places to build power is Calgary and Colorado. Don't be such a skeptic. :)

Once again... Tuesche. Im just imputing that ive only every seen low to high 13s out of the SRT-4 out of 10. that sea level does affect it though doesnt it...

jOe

[quick35th]

This vid has been out for some time now. There are a few car forums I go to that get all these vids and other racing vids that I fill up my vid folder with. Yeah it is great. I love the blower whine at the beginning from that Cobra. But the SRT-4 people found out about this vid and they made a vid too as a come back. Enjoy!

http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/wetoddimage.wtdr/wNjkxMzY2NnM0MTNkZmQzMXk1NDE%3D

Shane

EDIT: The link does not work. I will attempt to host it myself and post back later.

[quick35th]

Tuesche dave... Understood but still they are good for a high 13 with the right driver...

IM SKEPTICAL ABOUT ALL OF THE CARS RACED... ILL EXPLAIN....

1. First, the beginning car is obviously a new cobra
2. The Mustang GT would be a good race as shown
3. The MINIVAN in the second race is mostlikely a turbo...
- I have seen Turbo Chrysler Minivans run high 10s with a good set up and obviously that one had a nice setup.
4. The '03 cobra would walk on a modded SRT... :rolleyes:
5. and the last race which looks like a stanza... or maxima. I have seen a stanza with a VR-4 set up in it... wait after further pausing and playing back i have seen a tracer...... a tracer... never mind :o haha

jOe

Actually that last white car is a Galant VR4. They are all wheel drive and single turbo. Very nice and rare cars they be.

Shane

[HSKR]

****, my SC couldn't even hang with a GT let alone beat one.

[getblown]

Actually that last white car is a Galant VR4. They are all wheel drive and single turbo. Very nice and rare cars they be.

Shane

Thats what i was kinda thinking, something like that. Which proves my theory which that inall of those cases... that SRT could have had his *** handed to him by the other cars cause they are fast...not cause the SRT is slow...

BUT BY ALL MEANS... I AM NOT CONDONEING THE OWNERSHIP OF ANY NEON!

jOe

[Stewie]

]

Whoever said that we can easily beat GT's? the way i have seen it is that the 5.0 and 4.6 GT's have always been either way battle with our sc's, with the mid 90's being the slower of them all? After 99 is a different story with the GT's, and even more-so with the 2005 ive heard. A kid i knew got a '00 that was written off but rebuilt for rather cheap, still all stock and with my intake, exhaust and 5% pulley he still had more pull as soon as he shifted. Even with all the things im doing this winter i think that a 99+ GT will never be a automatic win. Im not saying that srt-4s are slow, heck, not many new $2x,xxx cars pull a flat 14, if any. But thats the problem i have with them, is that they spent the money on the motor and front end assembly, where as the rest of the car is definatly missing quality. Where as our thunderbirds were built very well i think, comfort and quality was not overlooked for power. Also that they are front wheel drives and everytime they shift i fear that my poor birdy is gonna get side swiped :eek: Brett


Ummmm,mFYI, the suspension is heavily modified, show me another stock Neon with 17 inch rims stock, then there are the Viper inspired seats, body colored or silver (I think) accents on the dash and from what i have seen these little cars are put together damned well and make loads of power easily...... Oh, that white car is a HEAVILY modifie Galant VR$ running a huge turbo and I believe 20 pounds of boost....... The funny part about that video is some jealous kid with a 95 V6 POS Mustang made tit, now THAT is funny LOL.

[94thundachicken]

no, i think we are hating becuase, alot of SRT-4 owners think they are the ****, talking about they are un-modded, they are the same thing as the CIVIC NATION, talking all **** about how fast there cars looks, but when its time to step upto the plate, man do they **** on themselves, if that GT can take on that NEON, and our SCs can easily beat GTs then....???

You have obviously never driven a SRT-4. There is a dramatic difference in acceleration between a stock SC and a stock SRT-4. A stock SRT-4 will outperform a stock SC in any performance category. The same holds true for late 90's-2004 Mustang GT's in acceleration. The SRT-4 and GT are driver's races, whereas as the SC doesn't stand a chance unless either the SRT-4 or GT owner can't drive. If you want to talk about mid 90's GT's , then yes the SC has a chance, but the SRT-4 is walking both of them.

Also, the yellow SRT-4 that blew his motor was pushing 500hp on the stock internals and had well over a 100 runs on the car between dyno's and track. If you want to learn more about this car to go the srtforums.com and search either Steve Anderson or Super Steve. He is currently building an engine that should be good for around 700hp.

Also, the SRT-4 is not just a "modded Neon." There is actually very little shared between a Neon and a Neon SRT-4. Is the SRT-4 a Neon? Yes. But a Evo is still a Lancer, a STI or WRX is still a Impreza, a 95/96 Impalla SS is still a Caprice Classic, a Cobra is still a Mustang, a Supra is still a Celica, and GTI is still a Golf.

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

On the street the sc does pretty good....All I have to say

[Micahdogg]

In the end, I don't know how you can lump any one group of car owners into a certain mentality. Some of the cockiest guys I've ever dealt with owned LS1's, but I'm sure they are not all like that.

Furthermore....so what if some SRT4 punk claims to be stock when he's not. It's certainly no better for an SC owner to be delusional about his own car and say how it could "beat GT's". I'm with Dave.....our cars are friggen pathetic in stock trim. Back when I had relatively few mods, I still could not beat a 1991 Mustang GT AOD or a 1994 Mustang GT AODE Convertible. I could beat both cars off the line, and hold them off up to 50-60mph, but after that point they would catch me and start pulling by. And I know the 94 Stang was only running 15.4's.

Me thinks this is just a typical case of sour grapes where some people can't admit that some poorly built crapboxes are actually FAST!

Micah

[scbird1]

In stock or slightly modified trim the SC is still a fun car from a stop light as long as you keep it short and sweet. Like up to 55. The look on some of the guys I passed was priceless. Bottom line $$$$$ and brains wins races. Dont be afraid to take your car to the track. Its the best place to find a race.

[mannysc]

I raced a srt4 and he pulled a fender on me.
I beat gt mustangs hands down.

and a wrx I raced was a toad maybe he didnt know how to drive it it did have drivaway plates on it so he may not be at home in it yet.

but stock my sc would not even come close to staying with a 92 5.0 mustang gt. now he is toast.

as for the srt we raced on a back raod and he let off before we past 100 mph. he did seem to be gaining at top end.
when he let off reason was his belt flew off and his engine light came on maybe we will do it again he lives down the street from me .

real nasty little bugger that neon.

[94thundachicken]

I raced a srt4 and he pulled a fender on me.
I beat gt mustangs hands down.

and a wrx I raced was a toad maybe he didnt know how to drive it it did have drivaway plates on it so he may not be at home in it yet.

but stock my sc would not even come close to staying with a 92 5.0 mustang gt. now he is toast.

as for the srt we raced on a back raod and he let off before we past 100 mph. he did seem to be gaining at top end.
when he let off reason was his belt flew off and his engine light came on maybe we will do it again he lives down the street from me .

real nasty little bugger that neon.

Just curious what times you run in the 1/4mile, and which belt blew off the "nasty little bugger"?

[bustedbird]

Some of the ugliest looking stuff has kicked my a$$. I got smoked by an old Chrysler LeBaron 4 door that was turbo charged. This thing would be lucky to have the floor boards still intact, just that rusted. I whooped him off the line, but at about 30 he stood on it and left me in the dust.

I also got my a$$ handed to me by a Pontiac Grand Prix GTP, so needless to say, a stock SC is not the cream of the crop. Sure it is a nice car, good acceleration, alright top end, but most of all not everybody has them.

Still you could pump a couple thousand dollars into one, and have a fast car for the fraction of what a new Mustang or Vette costs!

[mannysc]

Just curious what times you run in the 1/4mile, and which belt blew off the "nasty little bugger"?
it was the main belt he lost his alt and water pump belt i took him to parts store for a new one

[Toms-SC]

would love to destroy it! Stock SRT-4's around here that I have seen with ok drivers run low 15's maybe high 14's with a good driver.
Edmonton, stock SRT-4, 14.3 :) Good luck

[Toms-SC]

http://68.144.148.248/public/srt4/srt_img_stock_dyno.jpg

Bone stock at Calgary, Alberta Canada elevation. I think only a modified bird would have a chance against a stock SRT-4. God forbid the SRT-4 owner does a Stage 2 MOPAR upgrade, then the only chance you have is a Coy Miller or Dave Whipple. :) Know your enemy.

[94thundachicken]

Not to mention that a SRT-4 with Mopar Stage 3 w/toys will put down 355hp and 365tq at the wheels for only $3500 and Mopar Stage 3 w/o will put down 310hp and 325tq at the wheels for only $3000, both of which you can roll out of the factory with when ordering you're brandnew SRT-4. Not too shaby, spending $25,000 and running 12's right off the dealer lot.

[Micahdogg]

The funny thing is that the SC in stock trim is REALLY pathetic. We all know that. Just "ok" performance all around. But these days you can pick up a really clean 94-95 SC for $5000. Build a custom exhaust for $300, buy Dave's whipple for $3000, if it's an AOD slap in a 3.73 Cobra pumpkin for what $600?

Before you get to $10,000 you can have a really clean, good looking, comfortable, 300+ RWHP beast on your hands. For the guy who doesn't want a cookie cutter car....the SC really seems like one hell of a deal with the right mods in place. For the aesthetics all it needs is some chopped stock springs and chrome Cobra R's for about $1000.

Micah

[Toms-SC]

Besides for exotic imports I feel the SC is the most expensive car to modify out there! But thats the price you pay for being unique.

[SCaddict]

Edmonton, stock SRT-4, 14.3 :) Good luck
Yes, they are quick, but I am hoping to be in the mid 14's as soon as the track opens and I will give them a good run. I soon hope to be in the mid to low 13's so the SC will be one fast TANK! :D

[darkstar_one]

okay whatever... arent we forgetting the 15 years of technological differences between these cars? hmmm... then not to mention... i would prefer my SC because its more safe... since it is all american steel... rather then all american fiber glass or plastic... or whatever it is that they use to make cars these days.... in my opinion... i wouldnt care........................ there is too many differences.... someone is always gonna be faster than me or anybody out there...

somebody had this lil quote on their signature thingy..

"SPEED IS A QUESTION OF MONEY, HOW FAST WILL YOU GO?"

i find that to be true.... but im not giving up my SC, which is payment free... for a SRT 4... which after financing and so forth will have me in debt for the next 3 - 6 years....

[94thundachicken]

god damn, SRT-4 suck, i mean, if we can beat GT's like whatever, even the modded ones, damn we can whoop SRT-4's then, and all this time i thought they were fast, oh well, gotta show this one to my friends. The cars i do fear are the WRXs and the EVO, the EVOs with turbo of course :D, wouldnt mine owning a 03 COBRA :p

okay whatever... arent we forgetting the 15 years of technological differences between these cars? hmmm... then not to mention... i would prefer my SC because its more safe... since it is all american steel... rather then all american fiber glass or plastic... or whatever it is that they use to make cars these days.... in my opinion... i wouldnt care........................ there is too many differences.... someone is always gonna be faster than me or anybody out there...

Was this last statement reality kicking in? Because by your first statement you would make one think that SRT-4's suck. While in reality you knew nothing about the car and made an ignorant comment.

I'm very surprised to see how many car enthusiast just like to bash the car because it was built off the Neon platform, and can't see the car for what it is. Is it the most refined car out there, no way in hell. It's very raw. But if I wanted refined I would have bought a Lincoln. My SC was the most comfortable car I've ever owned, but I'm willing to give in to a harsher ride for the performance. Not everyone is though. And this car is def not for those people. Those people either build up comfortable cars like SC's or buy M3's.

The last time I checked SRT-4 owners aren't talking about how SC's are pieces of *****. In fact I have not seen 1 thread over at the srtforums that even mentioned a SC. However, the SRT-4 does draw some of the young arrogent croud. But they should not be a reflection of the car or the SRT-4 community as a whole. All car communities have certain stigmas that go with them due to the reinforcment of negative stereotypes. Can a SRT-4 keep up with a Cobra? No way! Just because one kid said he did, doesn't mean all SRT-4 owners think this way. However, in terms of performance a SRT-4 is to a Cobra, like a SC is to a SRT-4.

In terms or reliablity, only time will tell. But there are already several SRT-4's over 40,000 miles with no problems. Then again, the SRT-4 has a recall on the engine for a free rebuild if under 100,000 miles... wait no I'm wrong, that'd be the SC. ;)

[ThunderDave]

And what is the difference in weight? The horsepower to weight ratio must be a big factor in comparing the SRT-4 to an SC. We had a Neon from Oct. 98-Mar. 00 and though it was good on gas, it was just kind of cheap looking on the inside. I'll take my SC over a Neon anyday, because being the fastest, isn't always the most important thing.

[94thundachicken]

And what is the difference in weight? The horsepower to weight ratio must be a big factor in comparing the SRT-4 to an SC. We had a Neon from Oct. 98-Mar. 00 and though it was good on gas, it was just kind of cheap looking on the inside. I'll take my SC over a Neon anyday, because being the fastest, isn't always the most important thing.

The interior on a SRT-4 is no where near the quality or comfort of the SC. However, the same holds true of the STI and the EVO, both of which a radio is optional equipment, not standard.

As for the weight, a SRT-4 only weighs about 2800pounds with 230hp/250tq at the wheels stock (some factory freaks are seeing around 240hp/260tq at the wheels).

In case you were curious the mpg is 22/30, some a little higher and some a little lower.

[tim]

A while back I was thing about replacing my daily driver. I looked at a SRT-4 in the show room it was ok but very plain and cheap looking on the inside. I also looked at a little car called a speed 3. If I remember right it was a Mazda. I was really impressed! Turbo motor, really nice interior, great sound system, 4 wheel dics, big wheels and tires, tight suspension. It had it all for under $20,000. I am not the kind of person that knocks a car because of where it is built. Unless your S.C. is modded really good most of the new little hot rods out there will kick your butt. I like my car because of what it is not because its really that fast. If I could buy a new car tomorrrow it wouldd be a Suburu. I dont remember the model but one at the track with a few bolt ons ran mid twelve. thats pretty hard to argue with.

[94thundachicken]

A while back I was thing about replacing my daily driver. I looked at a SRT-4 in the show room it was ok but very plain and cheap looking on the inside. I also looked at a little car called a speed 3. If I remember right it was a Mazda. I was really impressed! Turbo motor, really nice interior, great sound system, 4 wheel dics, big wheels and tires, tight suspension. It had it all for under $20,000. I am not the kind of person that knocks a car because of where it is built. Unless your S.C. is modded really good most of the new little hot rods out there will kick your butt. I like my car because of what it is not because its really that fast. If I could buy a new car tomorrrow it wouldd be a Suburu. I dont remember the model but one at the track with a few bolt ons ran mid twelve. thats pretty hard to argue with.

I'm assuming it was a WRX STI. Performance #'s are almost identical to a 03-04 Cobra with a $33,000 price tag and all-wheel drive. I think Muscle Car Magaizine did a head-to-head last spring.