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ben04
01-27-2005, 10:52 PM
i've heard mixed reviews between the two.
mac - + supercharger whine is increased
+ power increase
- bend at the MAF screws up air/fuel ratio

ZR - + less bends = no air/fuel ratio screw up

on the bluetonguemotorsports site it says the ZR is good for 3lbs of boost? this real?

anyway, post your reviews of either, it will help me and anybody else who is trying to make a decision :D

discipled1
01-27-2005, 11:21 PM
The stock pannel filter will flow more then enough air. A K&N pannel filter if you think you need it. The intake kits looks good, but from what I've read, for the money, they're too much for what they do. Does anybody have dyno info that would indicate the benifit of changing out the intake?

ben04
01-28-2005, 02:20 AM
The stock pannel filter will flow more then enough air. A K&N pannel filter if you think you need it. The intake kits looks good, but from what I've read, for the money, they're too much for what they do. Does anybody have dyno info that would indicate the benifit of changing out the intake?

mac adn ZR motorsports both claim 15 HP :confused:

darkstar_one
01-28-2005, 04:33 AM
screw them both... i made my own... i will post up the pictures... the thing here is... in order for you not to screw anything up... the MAF has to go before any bends... and if u do make the intake turn down... u should leave atleast 6 inches between the filter and the MAF... so u wont confuse the MAF... thats what i did... saved me some dinero.. and whines... and makes other cars get on their knees...

Ryan A Harris
01-28-2005, 11:13 AM
I have the MAC, it look sgood, works ok. But for the cash I'd never buy an aftermarket intake agian. The ZR from what I have seen isn't made anymore, but another one is in the works. The MAC, I think is still availabe.

If doing that agian, I'd use the K&N panel filter, and buy a piece of tubing form an exhust shop, and have them bend it up form me. Then buy the silicone couplers and clamps. I'd say that would cost you about 200 bucks less than either one of the kits would. Most likely would give you the same results. The claim of 15 hp is fake, maybe 5hp, if that.

ben04
01-28-2005, 02:51 PM
I have the MAC, it look sgood, works ok. But for the cash I'd never buy an aftermarket intake agian. The ZR from what I have seen isn't made anymore, but another one is in the works. The MAC, I think is still availabe.

If doing that agian, I'd use the K&N panel filter, and buy a piece of tubing form an exhust shop, and have them bend it up form me. Then buy the silicone couplers and clamps. I'd say that would cost you about 200 bucks less than either one of the kits would. Most likely would give you the same results. The claim of 15 hp is fake, maybe 5hp, if that.

interesting. i think im still gonna go for the MAC listed at 170 US, around 220 CDN. i like to have "professionally" made products on my car, rather than home made stuff. not saying yours is ghetto, but i've seen home made CAIs on SCs before and it looks really cheap (probably cuz it is), just straight tiny pipe from the throttle body and a cone filter at the end. thanks for the .02 on the MAC though, ryan

Dirk SC
01-28-2005, 03:01 PM
interesting. i think im still gonna go for the MAC listed at 170 US, around 220 CDN. i like to have "professionally" made products on my car, rather than home made stuff. not saying yours is ghetto, but i've seen home made CAIs on SCs before and it looks really cheap (probably cuz it is), just straight tiny pipe from the throttle body and a cone filter at the end. thanks for the .02 on the MAC though, ryan


How About a TBird88 "ghetto tube". He has those very reasonably priced and they look good too.

darkstar_one
01-28-2005, 03:22 PM
mines isnt ghetto... i mean i may have used FENCE POLE to make but it isnt ghetto... nah... it has 3 inch aluminum exhaust... which i painted a CAST IRON BLACk... and so does the BEND... looks like a AEM... maybe i should put AEM on it... also the silicone couplers are AEM... muahahahhahaah....

jmfasc
01-28-2005, 03:56 PM
mine is home made,its not that ghetto,heres some pics http://www.cardomain.com/id/jmfasc

Dirk SC
01-28-2005, 04:09 PM
LOL I didnt mean any of the home made ones looked ghetto. I was just referring to this tbird88's intake tube (http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=56273&highlight=ghetto) If you read the thread you will understand. :)

David Neibert
01-28-2005, 05:07 PM
MP and SCP both sell cold air intakes, so MAC isn't your only choice. Between the MAC and the old ZR.

I liked the ZR better because it was easier to remove when working on the car and didn't have any problems with turbulence before the MAF. Then again, the MAC CIA did look better.

David

Burbank95sc
01-28-2005, 06:41 PM
I'm using MAC cai, it's hard to tell about hp gain but the blower whines louder.That was my 2-nd mod on the car. I think it has to be worth some hp because when i put MAC cai and had some exh. job done ,[remove 3-rd cat and custom exh.] I run 14.4 ET with just these 2 mods

it's your choice and money :D :D

darkstar_one
01-28-2005, 06:49 PM
ahhh i believe this is back to the old question of money....... the MAC intake costs more and does the same job as something u can make at home... i sure *** hell dont like chrome or polish... i think its a lil too outdated... but anywho... my home made intake does blow alot louder also... and it only cost me around 50 bucks..


70 degree 3 inch aluminum bend... 20 bucks
18 inch 3 inch aluminum tube... 20 bucks
3.5" CONE FILTER k&N style...10 bucks
4 AEM silicone couples.... FREE!

looks pretty kool... then again... the thing here is... COLD AIR INTAKES dont really work on a FORCE INDUCTED car like ours... because the SC will stomp out the so called COLD AIR and heat it up again... its been discussed... and the finaly on that discussion was that its mostly for looks and blower noise... not any real HP gains...

sail7seas
01-28-2005, 08:17 PM
What about this on from Ebay for $62.95 ? Comments?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=7950571388&category=38634

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darkstar_one
01-28-2005, 09:44 PM
yeah that really wont help... because the MAF is behind the bend and will therefore screw up the intake reading... i would suggest u put the MAF before the bend in any occcasion...

Tony8470
01-28-2005, 09:59 PM
That ebay one, I have something like that. Which I bought from ebay as well about a year and a half ago. Except right where it comes close to the a/c compressor mounting bolt, it pretty much touches. I think the tolerances on that weren't really looked into. I have a nice hole in mine induced from the bolt rubbing under motor vibrations. Little duct tape never hurt anyone! :p
Its a good cheap way to get what you need though. You pay for what you get.

MrBlvd
01-29-2005, 09:51 AM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7950110914&category=38634&sspagename=STORE%3APROMOBOX%3AENDSOON

darkstar_one
01-29-2005, 01:45 PM
same thing man... the bends will screw up the MAF reading... i wouldnt waste my time on this things... just make ur own... comes out better and saves u alot of money... just paint that ~~~ a really nice color and dont cheap out on the couplers...

ben04
01-30-2005, 04:31 PM
hmmmm a lot of people say that the bend before the MAF is no good, but dont u think MAC would have thought of that or something? i dunno, i like the look of hte MAC and the ZR.....it'll come down to those two, or the new ZR i meant cuz the old one is discontinued i hear.

ThunderDave
01-30-2005, 06:28 PM
I've got the short intake with the K&N in the engine compartment. I've got the stuff to elbow down and put the filter in the fenderwell. Will this have any affect on performnce, other than maybe taking in cooler air? If I put the maf before the bend, will that work too?

supercharged95
01-31-2005, 08:58 AM
i've got the focus cai and even though there's a bend before the maf i'm still happy.

http://www.ecimulti.org/albums/album114/focuscai1.sized.jpg

Ryan A Harris
01-31-2005, 01:24 PM
A few guys have been getting those focus units cheap on EBAY. On the MAC, it does or can mess up the MAF reading. On the dyno I found that by rotating the MAF you can find the "sweet spot" and pick up afew HP. I bought the MAC, I like it, but as I said, I wouldn't buy another one, just because of the cost, and I do it myself.

JOE91SC
05-15-2005, 12:30 PM
A few guys have been getting those focus units cheap on EBAY. On the MAC, it does or can mess up the MAF reading. On the dyno I found that by rotating the MAF you can find the "sweet spot" and pick up afew HP. I bought the MAC, I like it, but as I said, I wouldn't buy another one, just because of the cost, and I do it myself.

Would you know if the "sweet spot" is...... about 1/4 of a turn from the original position? Could you post a pic of the MAF's position on where it works the best? Thanks

J57ltr
05-15-2005, 02:25 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7950110914&category=38634&sspagename=STORE%3APROMOBOX%3AENDSOON


This one is nothing more than plumbing parts from Home depot.


Jeff

WinnipegSC
05-15-2005, 06:44 PM
my home made intake is a little moreextreme thent he rest here

its a 2 foot tube of 3.5" exhaust pipe (bent by cutting and welding to the stock pipe shape) Polished toa near mirror shine tig welded. and a 9"X7" KnN cone filter witha 3.5" inlet attached directly to the maf ..

LightEMup
05-15-2005, 10:40 PM
that new JLT cold air intake with the PVC tube looks very promising, you guyz should check out the thread, they got crazy dyno results!! like 21hp to the wheels or somthing (i may be off but it shows it in the thread under new services and products) hopfully they come out with a reasonable price if they havn't already

Rob Noth
05-16-2005, 04:00 PM
a) MAC uses a boneheaded design that alters the MAF readings. They should have designed it differently... more like the ZR...

b) The dyno claims are pretty useless - every car will be different. If you took a SC with a totally built 350hp engine and compared stock air intake vs. CAI tube/cone filter, you probably would see like 20hp difference or more. But on a stock SC you would see much less difference, if at all.

JOE91SC
05-16-2005, 08:04 PM
O.k...... I found my answer in a different thread below.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=28804

Anyone else got more inputs for the best position for the MAF using the MAC intake?