2005 SC Shootout Rules update. :)

[XR7 Dave]

The first two years of SC Shootouts have been a learning experience for all involved. We have continually tried to come up with changes that are positive and better meet the interests of the SC community. In keeping with that we have revised the class rules for next year. We have added a class, and restructured the others to allow for more open competion while keeping it fair and fun for all. Feel free to comment as you see fit. Otherwise, this will give any of you looking forward to this event in fall some guidelines by which to add things to your SC's. :) Enjoy!

Rules:

Common rules for Street Stock and both Modified Classes.

1) No fuel cells, must use stock tank.
2) Full rear exit exhaust required.
3) Current license and insurance required.
4) No trans-brakes.



1) Street Stock

Engine. Stock longblock (including block, cam, rotating assembly and heads). No internal modifications, stock rebuilds only. M90 supercharger only. No nitrous, alcohol, propane, or any other injection. All other external bolt ons allowed.

Body. Car must be or appear to be a factory supercharged MN12. Body kits are allowed. All factory glass and body panels must be present.

Tires. DOT radial tires only.

Interior: Full interior required. Custom components allowed but all panels/components must be present.

Suspension. Stock style U/L control arm, fully independent 4 wheel suspension design. Upgrades and modifications allowed.

Index. None


2) Modified Level 1

Engine. 3.8L based Ford V6, internal mods allowed, ported heads allowed. CNC ported and/or welded exhaust ports NOT allowed. M90 supercharger only. No nitrous allowed. Alcohol injection allowed.

Body. Same as stock class.

Tires. All DOT tires allowed.

Suspension. Same as stock

Interior. Same as stock

Index: 13.299 Bumps to Modified Level 2



3) Modified Level 2

Engine. Must be 3.8L based Ford V6. Any form of forced induction allowed.
Nitrous allowed. Additives allowed.

Body. Any MN12 body allowed.

Tires. Unrestricted.

Suspension. Same as stock

Interior. Must meet NHRA/IHRA safety rules.

Index: 12.499 Bumps to Pro Street



4) Pro Street

Engine. 3.8/4.2L based Ford V6 engine.

Body. Any MN12 body allowed.

Tires. Unrestricted

Suspension. Unrestricted.

Interior. Must meet NHRA/IHRA safety rules.

Index. None. Limited to 8 entries. Bumps to ET Bracket.



5) Outlaw V8

MN12 body.

Otherwise unrestricted.



6) Bracket ET

Any car which qualifies for one of the above listed classes. Buy backs $10
1st round, $20 second round. Competition in heads up and brackets by same
car/driver allowed.

[fast Ed]

Hey David

To clarfiy, these new rules replace all of the 2004 rules? It would seem that there are a lot less specifics and restrictions.

Just trying to figure out where my car will go this year, with a few added mods since the last event (all bolt-on stuff). :)


cheers,
Ed N.

[XR7 Dave]

Hey David

To clarfiy, these new rules replace all of the 2004 rules? It would seem that there are a lot less specifics and restrictions.

Just trying to figure out where my car will go this year, with a few added mods since the last event (all bolt-on stuff). :)


cheers,
Ed N.

Ed, yes these rules completely replace all previous rules. Hopefully this will be the last set of rules and any changes will be limited to small revisions if any at all.

Your car will go in Street Stock as long as you have radial tires. The committee felt strongly that only true street tires be allowed in that class. We expect competition to be fierce in stock class with some really strong runners possibly dipping into the 13's although most cars in this class will run mid-low 14's. Modified 1 will likely be very close to the same times only with less restrictions. If you are running the Mickeys then you'd be in Mod 1. Of course all entrants are welcome to run in Brackets if the other classes don't fit well enough.

:)

[fast Ed]

Thanks David. I'l still be at the bolt-on stage, so if I do attend, I don't mind running on street tires to go in the heads-up class. I'll just have to find some more suitable street tires. ;)

With the proper late-style blower on my car, and a few other things that are planned, I should be in the hunt.

Now all we need to know is where the location is going to be. :p

cheers,
Ed N.

[tim]

Ok then I should be in mod. level 1. Since I dont have welded heads, right Sparky? I cant wait to smoke Randy. Maybe he should be in level 2. :rolleyes:

[tim]

All kidding aside the new rules look real fair and should be a lot of fun.

[Thomas A]

If my SC isn't ready by then, can I compete with my Mark VIII?

Thomas

PS. At what location will we be competing? ;)

[Rich95XR7]

I was told "Yes" Thomas, in either the bracket or V8 class. I will probably be racing bracket if it's standard bracket racing, because my car isn't fast enough to go heads up, but I've got a heck of a reaction time, and my car runs pretty much the same every time.

[Kurt K]

....
Index: 13.30 Bumps to Modified Level 2

...
Index: 12.50 Bumps to Pro Street


Looks good Dave. Just a comment about the cutoffs. Wouldn't it be less confusing if the bumps were 13.29 and faster and 12.49 and faster, respectively? Similar to the way the different sactioning bodys distinguish the breaks for certain safety equipment (i.e. a helmet is required for 13.99 and faster).

One thing regarding the Modified Level 1 class (which technically I wo0uld qualify for if I added 500 or 600 lbs to my car :)) I guess I just don't know the definitive difference between ported and CNC ported.

I'm not trying to start anything, as the Rules seem well thought out. I just wanted to comment.

[FearThis SC]

Rules look great Dave. But I must have been asleep at the wheel, so I must ask, where is the location for the 2005 shootout? Thanks.

[David Neibert]

Dave,

The rules look fine....anything firm on the date and location ?

David

[XR7 Dave]

If my SC isn't ready by then, can I compete with my Mark VIII?

Thomas

PS. At what location will we be competing? ;)

Thomas, get your SC running for Pete's sake. It's going on 2 years now!! :D

[XR7 Dave]

Looks good Dave. Just a comment about the cutoffs. Wouldn't it be less confusing if the bumps were 13.29 and faster and 12.49 and faster, respectively? Similar to the way the different sactioning bodys distinguish the breaks for certain safety equipment (i.e. a helmet is required for 13.99 and faster).

One thing regarding the Modified Level 1 class (which technically I wo0uld qualify for if I added 500 or 600 lbs to my car :)) I guess I just don't know the definitive difference between ported and CNC ported.

I'm not trying to start anything, as the Rules seem well thought out. I just wanted to comment.

Changes made Kurt.

The cylinder head differences are to prevent people with high dollar heads from competing in Mod 1. Mod 1 is considered the "low budget" modified class and no, you cannot compete in Mod 1. Your car has been documented much faster than 13.299. ;) What you need to do is add a couple little things (like a 35hp shot) so you can run the index (or preferrably a 150hp shot so you can stop David N's butt into the ground in Pro Street). :D In all seriousness your car is extremely competitive in Mod 2 as is.

In all seriousness, the class index is not where you really should expect to be running, remember if you break out you lose. It is much better to be running .2 over the index and practice your driving as we all know most SC drivers suck at the tree...... :rolleyes:

[Mike8675309]

Dave, What class does your (SuperCoupes Unlimited) Stage II heads put someone in? :confused: ;)

[Kurt K]

Changes made Kurt.

The cylinder head differences are to prevent people with high dollar heads from competing in Mod 1. Mod 1 is considered the "low budget" modified class and no, you cannot compete in Mod 1. Your car has been documented much faster than 13.299. ;) What you need to do is add a couple little things (like a 35hp shot) so you can run the index (or preferrably a 150hp shot so you can stop David N's butt into the ground in Pro Street). :D In all seriousness your car is extremely competitive in Mod 2 as is.

In all seriousness, the class index is not where you really should expect to be running, remember if you break out you lose. It is much better to be running .2 over the index and practice your driving as we all know most SC drivers suck at the tree...... :rolleyes:Since Rule changes are apparently so easy, can you add that only black cars can compete in Mod 2 :D
Yes, I figured I would be in Mod 2, but theroretically could slow my car down enough to compete in the Mod 1 (just making a worthless point). However, it won't matter much. Depending on the location and date, I probably won't be able to attend. I've already been told that Vegas would be the only acceptable location to spend "our" honeymoon at a car event. And since Vegas wasn't even in the running, I'm relying on the date.

[Kurt K]

What class does your Stage II heads put someone in? :confused:Mike, I'm not sure if that question was directed at me or not? I assumed that since my exhaust ports are not welded or CNC ported, I could be in Mod 1. However, as Dave pointed out, I'm too fast for that class.

[Mike8675309]

I clarified the question... I hope to attend the event this year myself if I can get everything bolted back together and still have any money left for a trip.

[Ken Seegers]

Dave,
the rules look good. NOW the important question: Where is the shootout being held for 05????

Seriously, I appreciate your time with this.
thanks
Ken

[Andy 94SC]

Not that it matters to me, but I am a bit confused about the rule on Bodies requiring factory glass and panels for the lower levels.

Wouldn't that mean a guy who just has a fiberglass hood on an otherwise stock car would be in a class with cars about 3 seconds faster than him?

[Jason Wild]

Looks good Dave
I guess I will be in Mod 1 If you can run M/T ET drags. If not Mod 2 for me so I better get the NASA befor then. :rolleyes:

[XR7 Dave]

Not that it matters to me, but I am a bit confused about the rule on Bodies requiring factory glass and panels for the lower levels.

Wouldn't that mean a guy who just has a fiberglass hood on an otherwise stock car would be in a class with cars about 3 seconds faster than him?

What that means is you have to have a hood, doors, trunklid, roof etc. No convertibles allowed and no plexi windows.

Mike, Stage II heads are clearly Mod 1, however I expect your car to be faster than 13.30. :)

[David Neibert]

What you need to do is add a couple little things (like a 35hp shot) so you can run the index (or preferrably a 150hp shot so you can stop David N's butt into the ground in Pro Street).

Dave,

Unless Kathy wants to drive my 91, I'm planning to leave it at home this year and race the 93 in the V8 Outlaw class. It always breaks something before or during the Shootout anyway, so I don't think it matters.

I don't expect to win anything with the turbo car, because I'll probably get disqualified for not having the safety equipment to go any quicker than 11.49. But I do expect to give Mike Siska and Coy Miller some serious competition for the fastest car braggin rights.

David

[XR7 Dave]

Dave,

Unless Kathy wants to drive my 91, I'm planning to leave it at home this year and race the 93 in the V8 Outlaw class. It always breaks something before or during the Shootout anyway, so I don't think it matters.

I don't expect to win anything with the turbo car, because I'll probably get disqualified for not having the safety equipment to go any quicker than 11.49. But I do expect to give Mike Siska and Coy Miller some serious competition for the fastest car braggin rights.

David


David, my comments about stomping your butt were a little tongue-in-cheek as I was also giving you a hard time about the turbo car not being done by then.

If you want to beat Coy Miller you'd better be prepared to step it up hard core. A little birdie told me that Coy may have sold his V6 and might be working on a turbocharged modular..... Of course what do I know???? :rolleyes:

[Mustangshane]

Has there been a date and place set yet? I might be interested in going.

[Rich95XR7]

When is the location and time going to be released to the masses? I need to start planning for vacation, etc.

[FearThis SC]

Dave, PLEASE post the location and the date so we may start planning to attend. THANKS!

[David Neibert]

David, my comments about stomping your butt were a little tongue-in-cheek as I was also giving you a hard time about the turbo car not being done by then.

If you want to beat Coy Miller you'd better be prepared to step it up hard core. A little birdie told me that Coy may have sold his V6 and might be working on a turbocharged modular..... Of course what do I know???? :rolleyes:

Dave,

Damn...I thought 800 rwhp was hardcore enough :eek: . I can't go any higher than that or the turbo will need to be so big it won't be driveable on the street.

It doesn't look like the turbo car is going to be ready for WFC, but one way or another it will be at the Shootout.

David

[fast Ed]

Dave,
the rules look good. NOW the important question: Where is the shootout being held for 05????

Seriously, I appreciate your time with this.
thanks
Ken

Ken, you have to make sure that you can attend, so that everyone else has someone to pick on (other than Micah). :p

cheers,
Ed N.

[tim]

Dave, if 800 hp.cant get the job done than I dont know what will. You notice how Dalke ignored the where and when question. Come one Dave We need some onfo so we can start making plans!

[Mike8675309]

Expect the event to be after the high heat of summer. Just a guess. Maybe earlier than last year due to the flaky weather you get into then.

For a location, look back at this post. It was up in the air months ago. I'm sure the committe will announce something once they have secured enough information.


http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=53263&highlight=shootout

[David Neibert]

The Shootout is normally held in late September to early October to avoid conflicts with other meets and holidays and to have cool fall air for good racing. The top two choices in the poll were Philly or somewhere in Wisconsin.

I'm bettin that since Rich Bruhn has already got some hookups in Wisconsin and that's further west than last year, Wisconsin is where it's going to be for 2005. Philly would be okay too...but the real question is, WHEN.

Dave, if 800 hp.cant get the job done than I dont know what will.

Tim,

Stock longblock 32 valve 4.6 Cobra motors are making 900 rwhp very easily with nothing but twin turbos, bigger fuel pumps and injectors. If Coy drops something like that in an SC and launches on a trans brake, I won't stand a chance.

David

[Mike8675309]

Bah... If he's still got IRS, he'll still have to find a way to apply the power to the ground, just like everyone else.

[VicRattlehead]

Dave,

Unless Kathy wants to drive my 91, I'm planning to leave it at home this year and race the 93 in the V8 Outlaw class. It always breaks something before or during the Shootout anyway, so I don't think it matters.

I don't expect to win anything with the turbo car, because I'll probably get disqualified for not having the safety equipment to go any quicker than 11.49. But I do expect to give Mike Siska and Coy Miller some serious competition for the fastest car braggin rights.

David

Damn i guess i gotta get out in the garage and fix the damn car. damnit i figured id have at least another year or so. as soon as the 78 mustang is done and out of the shop the bird goes in for some work. trans, rear end, motor, tune more juice ya know nothing major.

[tim]

David, nothing against Coy but I hope you win. I wish my v6 car ran as good as yours. If the shoot out is in Wisconsin I live 15 min, from the track. Thats good cause my wife says she will break out the grill.

[Randy N Connie]

Not that it matters to me, but I am a bit confused about the rule on Bodies requiring factory glass and panels for the lower levels.

Andy the rule about factory glass and panels must be present.Means that
the interior cannot be stripped bare,you must have all inside door panels in place.
,all surfaces in the interior of your car must be covered.

Randy

[Rich95XR7]

I want to come, but if it's in Wisconsin, I'm out.

[NASTY V6]

Well I might as well post too. Where is it going to be?

Scott

[tim]

I want to come too but if its in OK. I am not going to drive that far. Maybe we can put together something on our own.

[Super XR7]

I am in where ever it is, just as long as its less than a 10 hour drive. Word of experience, if your driving from a far and racing - trailer it.

[David Neibert]

I am in where ever it is, just as long as its less than a 10 hour drive. Word of experience, if your driving from a far and racing - trailer it.

Mike,

That's good advice. It's much more fun if your not worried about getting the car back home. BTW, How did that spun bearing on your car turn out ?

David

[Super XR7]

David, It was just another opportunity to put more money into the car. The car is in pieces in the garage. But I will be back together for the shoot out.

[007_SuperCoupe]

XR7 Dave,
Can we combine this thread (rules) and the event location and date into one thread on the events forum? And if possible even a sticky on that board? I'm only asking because October is a long way off yet and the questions will be asked again and again. If we can put it on that forum as a sticky it will be present for all to see. I don't really have too much to comment on other than I'm going to make every effort to get there. I'd just like to see it all consolidated onto the events forum and made a sticky so we don't have to search out the information when we (me especially) forget the details of rules, etc. Thanks.

[XR7 Dave]

XR7 Dave,
Can we combine this thread (rules) and the event location and date into one thread on the events forum? And if possible even a sticky on that board? I'm only asking because October is a long way off yet and the questions will be asked again and again. If we can put it on that forum as a sticky it will be present for all to see. I don't really have too much to comment on other than I'm going to make every effort to get there. I'd just like to see it all consolidated onto the events forum and made a sticky so we don't have to search out the information when we (me especially) forget the details of rules, etc. Thanks.

I dont' have that ability, but lets leave it for now. We will have a website up as well with more info as time moves forward.

[007_SuperCoupe]

A website is even better...That's fine.. It was just a thought.

[David Neibert]

I want to come, but if it's in Wisconsin, I'm out.

Rich,

Looks like it's going to be in OK...so I hope that means your in.

I want to come too but if its in OK. I am not going to drive that far. Maybe we can put together something on our own.

Tim,

Don't even go there. You know your gonna be there.

David

[Rich95XR7]

Rich,

Looks like it's going to be in OK...so I hope that means your in.
David

Yeah, since it's only about an hour away, I guess I can make it :p Since I'm local, I'm also going to try to help Scott in any way I can to make this successful. The TX crew is already talking about it, and I'm sure that if I talk nicely, I can get a couple of the big boys from TX to show up with their 4.6 cars.

[Slysc]

I don't like the minimum ET rule in the heads up classes. Heads up racing should be heads up racing. If a guy wins his class, it should be because he's the fastest, not because the fastest guy got bumped into the next class. With a minimum ET for the classes, it starts looking like bracket racing. (yuck)

Also, I think it would be a good idea to stop changing the rules every year. It may make a difference in how people mod their cars, and then if the rules change, they may end up in a class that they don't want to be in. I thought last years rules were good with the exception of the stock cam rule in the modified class.

I'm still in Pro-street so it doesn't much matter to me anyway. Yet this years rules would allow me to back-half my car and tub it out etc. Hmmmm.. ;)

I'd love to be there. I'll try but it's a stretch for me to make it that far.

[XR7 Dave]

I don't like the minimum ET rule in the heads up classes. Heads up racing should be heads up racing. If a guy wins his class, it should be because he's the fastest, not because the fastest guy got bumped into the next class. With a minimum ET for the classes, it starts looking like bracket racing. (yuck)

Also, I think it would be a good idea to stop changing the rules every year. It may make a difference in how people mod their cars, and then if the rules change, they may end up in a class that they don't want to be in. I thought last years rules were good with the exception of the stock cam rule in the modified class.

I'm still in Pro-street so it doesn't much matter to me anyway. Yet this years rules would allow me to back-half my car and tub it out etc. Hmmmm.. ;)

I'd love to be there. I'll try but it's a stretch for me to make it that far.

Dan, you are absolutely right. We do not plan to change rules again. In fact I think I know several committee members who would quit (or fire me) if we changed them again. Index racing is not bracket racing. You should know what class your car runs in prior to race day. You should know if you are on the edge of one class what the risks are. In your case, for example you have run under the class index of 12.50. However, you may find that on that particular day your car is running 12.65's all day long. In that case you could run Mod 2. Pro Street is a no holds barred V6 class (more or less) so if you want to play you better be ready. :D

The truth is that most SC people have taken their own paths with modifying their cars and it's just basically impossible to class them fairly when you have such a motled bunch.

Any class that has unlimited true heads up racing is big money plain and simple. Even stock class could turn into a big money class, but that is the name of the game. We wanted to appeal to as many people as possible which is why we chose to blend the two pure forms of drag racing. Index classes have been around for a very long time and have proven to be very successful in culling out the "ringers" and making it fun for a greater percentage of the people. Since fun is the key to the shootout, we felt indexes would help in the middle classes. Hopefully the compromise is worth it. Nonetheless, we are sticking with it. :D

[David Neibert]

Dave,

Can you explain how cars would get bumped from Pro Street into Bracket ET ? I see that it says no index, but only 8 cars.

Do the faster cars get bumped or the last ones to enter or what ?

David

[XR7 Dave]

Dave,

Can you explain how cars would get bumped from Pro Street into Bracket ET ? I see that it says no index, but only 8 cars.

Do the faster cars get bumped or the last ones to enter or what ?

David

Qualifying is required to enter. The fastest 8 cars will have the option of running in Pro Street. Let's say we had only one SC running 11's, and a host of 12.60 cars. The 12.60 cars would have the option of duking it out in Mod 2 (remember only 1 winner, 1 runner up) or moving to Pro Street where someone would have a guaranteed runner up position. However, if the opposite is true, and we have a host of 12.0 cars, they would have to duke it out for the opportunity to run. Pro Street is a prestigious class also known as "Quick 8" in most drag racing circles. If you are too fast for Mod 2 but not fast enough to be in the quickest 8 at the event, you will bump to ET. I don't see this as being an issue as I do not expect more than 8 cars to beat the Mod 2 index. One thing that is nice about the index rules is that the index is easy to change without affecting the overall rules. Indexes are meant to change to meet the needs of the current competition.

Make sense?

:)

[David Neibert]

If you are too fast for Mod 2 but not fast enough to be in the quickest 8 at the event, you will bump to ET

Okay, now I understand....thanks.


David

[Toms-SC]

This should make for an interesting battle....

[Wzenheimer]

Dave D.,

1) Street Stock

Engine. Stock longblock (including block, cam, rotating assembly and heads). No internal modifications, stock rebuilds only. M90 supercharger only. No nitrous, alcohol, propane, or any other injection. All other external bolt ons allowed.

Not to try and bend any rules or anything, but if you retained the M90 Supercharger and lets say added another boosting device in conjunction with it would it still qualify as Street Stock? I only ask because it says all other bolts ons allowed and a car would still be retaining the factory M90 in conjunction with another "bolt-on"? Just trying to see where I can go with the stock rules.

Chris

[Jim Demmitt Jr]

"Pro Mod Test runs"

How would you all like to see some low 6 second 220-230mph passes with my 57tbird? I can use this as a test day but lay down some hard full runs. bring my team if its two day event you can see some late night thrashing in the pits to make the last days run the best ever.

Whats the dates and time of event? for me to run by NHRA rules has to be a Paramedics team or life flight helicopter there for any 200mph supercharged car to run. 2500hp Boss AR ready to shake the ground might be a good track to set some records

[XR7 Dave]

Jim, we'd love to have the Boss Bird at the event! We will have standard ambulance service I believe same as any other race night. If something different is required I'd have to check into it. Our racing is on the 9th (Sunday), but there is regular event on Saturday and many people are planning on camping out weather permitting. Of course I think most SC'ers would rather have the silver bullet in attendence. ;)

[SilverCasket]

the M90 Supercharger and lets say added another boosting device in conjunction with it would it still qualify as Street Stock?

Chris, do you think you could drive something full force happily if it were slower than 13.29? ... That I'd like to see..

Anthony

[Wzenheimer]

Chris, do you think you could drive something full force happily if it were slower than 13.29? ... That I'd like to see..

Anthony

Well if you look at the rules for street stock there isn't an index that bumps it up.

1) Street Stock

Engine. Stock longblock (including block, cam, rotating assembly and heads). No internal modifications, stock rebuilds only. M90 supercharger only. No nitrous, alcohol, propane, or any other injection. All other external bolt ons allowed.

Body. Car must be or appear to be a factory supercharged MN12. Body kits are allowed. All factory glass and body panels must be present.

Tires. DOT radial tires only.

Interior: Full interior required. Custom components allowed but all panels/components must be present.

Suspension. Stock style U/L control arm, fully independent 4 wheel suspension design. Upgrades and modifications allowed.

Index. None

So depending on Mr. Dalkes ruling on my question above will determine my plan for Street Stock. Im waiting to see what he is going to say. Which also brings me to another question. According to the street stock rules someone could run BFG drag radials in street stock since they are a radial tire? Its basically prohibiting M/T ET streets and Hooseir DOT quick time pros right?

So Mr. Dalke?

Chris

[Jim Demmitt Jr]

XR7 Dave maybe.

If I can get the time to get the trans fixed and test run it at Sac. with EEC tuner in it to get the tune up right she may go low 11.60's like we had planed it to do. bring it in my inclosed trailer with extra parts just in case someone needs them. would love to match race that other Non Nitrous 11 second SC there. and bring my BBQ for some good Hillbilly Burgers :) my trailer has engine puller just in case of late night thrashing

[XR7 Dave]

Sounds good Jim! Would really like to see the Silver Bullet make it to the event. A good chance for you and John to have another matchrace. ;)


Chris, M90 Supercharger Only. No other forms of forced induction allowed and that includes putting a turbo or other device in front of it. The committee was very clear on this point when drafting the rules. DOT Drag radials are allowed with the only stipulation that they have legal tread depth across the entire contact patch at tech inspection.

David

[Wzenheimer]

Dave,

Thanks, that is what I thought you would say, but I had to ask. That just tells me which way I may attempt to go now.

Chris

[fast Ed]

David, is a ported M90 blower allowed in Street Stock, along with a Magum Powers inlet plenum? Not sure if that would constitute "bolt on" parts or not. If so, I'd just have to get some drag radials to run instead of my E-T Streets.

Yes, I'm considering making the 20 hour drive for the event, and am already working on coercing some of the other SCCoO members to do so as well. ;)

cheers,
Ed N.

[Ira R.]

David, is a ported M90 blower allowed in Street Stock, along with a Magum Powers inlet plenum? Not sure if that would constitute "bolt on" parts or not. If so, I'd just have to get some drag radials to run instead of my E-T Streets.

Yes, I'm considering making the 20 hour drive for the event, and am already working on coercing some of the other SCCoO members to do so as well. ;)

cheers,
Ed N.

Jeez, now I'm starting feel like a wuss :o
I told The Boss(tm) it was only a 23 or so hour drive for us and she looked at me like I had three heads. And here people are making plans from Ontario and Portland...........

Good thing I've got until Oct to work on this!!

Ira

[XR7 Dave]

David, is a ported M90 blower allowed in Street Stock, along with a Magum Powers inlet plenum? Not sure if that would constitute "bolt on" parts or not. If so, I'd just have to get some drag radials to run instead of my E-T Streets.

Yes, I'm considering making the 20 hour drive for the event, and am already working on coercing some of the other SCCoO members to do so as well. ;)

cheers,
Ed N.

Yes Ed, you would be legal in Street Stock. This class is going to be faster than last year and a lot more fun I think!

We need to arrange a massive caravan! I'd like to see 15 SC's in a row travelling 90mph. Now that's fun right there!

[XR7 Dave]

Jeez, now I'm starting feel like a wuss :o
I told The Boss(tm) it was only a 23 or so hour drive for us and she looked at me like I had three heads. And here people are making plans from Ontario and Portland...........

Good thing I've got until Oct to work on this!!

Ira Bring the lady! She won't be alone, lots of SC wives and bosses will be there, kids too!

[fast Ed]

We need to arrange a massive caravan! I'd like to see 15 SC's in a row travelling 90mph. Now that's fun right there!

If you're willing to pay for any tickets, I'd be good with that!! :D

Seriously though, if myself and / or any of the other guys are going to head down, we should figure out a spot to hook up with more of the eastern people to travel together. Then we can coordinate who is going to bring what as far as tools and spare parts for the trip.

cheers
Ed N.

[Ira R.]

Bring the lady! She won't be alone, lots of SC wives and bosses will be there, kids too!

Now I know this is going to sound like I just made it up........ She was looking forward to coming actually, and when I told her the dates that had been decided on, she whipped out her work schedule for next October. She's a contract employee for a company that provides professional services to the local school districts, so she can usually figure these things out in advance.

Ready for this; for one reason or another, she is off every day during the month of October 2005 EXCEPT the 6th, 7th, 10th, 11th and 31st. It's not likely they'll let her squeeze in a few vacation days to a schedule like that.

You just can't make this up :(

Ira

[007_SuperCoupe]

I just want to get a little bit of clarification on these rules.

I'm specifically looking at the street stock class, but I want to make sure that I'm not going to bump myself to the next class...

The rules state, "all other external bolt-ons allowed"

Where is the dividing line for external?

Points:
Roller rockers.......external?
Gears..................external?
Torque converter..external?

I'm just trying to see what direction I need to persue for the shootout and to stay in the street stock class.

Thanks.

[Randy N Connie]

I just want to get a little bit of clarification on these rules.

I'm specifically looking at the street stock class, but I want to make sure that I'm not going to bump myself to the next class...

The rules state, "all other external bolt-ons allowed"

Where is the dividing line for external?

Points:
Roller rockers.......external?
Gears..................external?
Torque converter..external?

I'm just trying to see what direction I need to persue for the shootout and to stay in the street stock class.

Thanks.

I would think that you are reading or referring to motor rules.
Its hard to tell since you did not print out the way the rules were
written.

If A long block comes with valve covers on the heads, rocker arms
would be internal mod.I am under the impression a long block
comes with the valve covers.I believe this was what was
agreed on during rules write up.

And the bone stock SC Birds & XR7 would run in a bracket class.
All of the lower heads up classes have been opened up.To
help promote performance .

There are no gears in a long block ,that one would change,

Torque converter is not part of the long block assembly.

Thanks Randy

[007_SuperCoupe]

That's why I would like some clarification. In years past roller rockers were considered a bolt on.

I just want to ensure that the rules are properly understood. I have never drag raced for anything more than fun on the open nights at the track. I am unfamiliar with the technical aspects of the rules. What may be obvious to those who do this on a regular basis, are not so obvious to us novices.

I would just like some official answers to my question, because that will determine what I do to my SC over the course of the summer to compete in the street stock class.

[XR7 Dave]

No internal engine modifications are allowed in Stock class.

The only transmission limitation for stock class is no trans brakes.

There are no rear end restrictions other than it must be OE design IRS.

[mannysc]

lets say I bolt my m90 inverted to a stock engine no other mods exept ported exh manifolds . what class would it run in, my buddy wants to try it out on his 99% stock 5 spd sc, and I was contemplating running a m112 on my sc both would be water to air intercooled with water to air aftercoolers, .

we hope to make the meet if my sc stays together long enuff.

maybe all the west coasters can convoy there.


ps yes I made a pre cooler that cools air at airbox so blower sucks in cold air then a after cooler that cools in more after the blower.

[XR7 Dave]

lets say I bolt my m90 inverted to a stock engine no other mods exept ported exh manifolds . what class would it run in, my buddy wants to try it out on his 99% stock 5 spd sc, and I was contemplating running a m112 on my sc both would be water to air intercooled with water to air aftercoolers, .

we hope to make the meet if my sc stays together long enuff.

maybe all the west coasters can convoy there.


ps yes I made a pre cooler that cools air at airbox so blower sucks in cold air then a after cooler that cools in more after the blower.

That should be pretty apparent by the rules Manny, the inverted M90 car runs in stock class and your M112 car runs in Mod 2 or Pro Street depending on how fast it is. :)

[David Neibert]

Dave,

When will the event itinerary, registration and host hotel info be posted ?

David

[Scott Long]

So apparently Chris Wise is working on another SC for this shootout. It's good to see he's back even if he is only lurking quietly in the shadows. I am not sure what to expect from him so he may have a quick mildly modded SC or he may be building an engine as we speak. I'd like to see Bob bring the old 93 to the shootout also. Imagine that thing with an autorotor.

Man I don't know if I will be able to attend this. I might be away at BMT or tech school during October. And although I'd be close I doubt they will let me take a vacation.

[David Neibert]

So apparently Chris Wise is working on another SC for this shootout. It's good to see he's back even if he is only lurking quietly in the shadows. I am not sure what to expect from him so he may have a quick mildly modded SC or he may be building an engine as we speak.

Scott,

Chris has recently been promoted to Captian and has to start a rather lengthy training session in September, so I don't think he will be able to get a car ready in time for the Shootout.

David

[FearThis SC]

Dave,

When will the event itinerary, registration and host hotel info be posted ?

David
Ditto, what David said!

[Jeremy_K]

So apparently Chris Wise is working on another SC for this shootout. It's good to see he's back even if he is only lurking quietly in the shadows. I am not sure what to expect from him so he may have a quick mildly modded SC or he may be building an engine as we speak. I'd like to see Bob bring the old 93 to the shootout also. Imagine that thing with an autorotor.

Man I don't know if I will be able to attend this. I might be away at BMT or tech school during October. And although I'd be close I doubt they will let me take a vacation.
Are you going in the Air Force? When you're at tech school, once you're there a few weeks they loosen up your leash and let you take road trips on the weekend. Boot camp, now that's a different story! :p I was in from 96-2001 as a firefighter. It was good times. :cool:

[Scott Long]

Yeah I'm trying to decide what MO I want. I have to take care of some stuff but should be good to go in a few months. I haven't yet been through meps or taken the ASVAB so I don't know how high I'll score although I'm pretty sure I'll do well.

I want to do either computer system operations apprentice, security forces, or load master. Load master would be cool because you get to be on flight status and also get flight pay, but since I'd always be gone I don't think the wife would like that too much. I'll be getting married before I go so atleast we'll get a bigger check w/ the allowances and stuff. I am hoping to stay domestic, although I'd like to travel a bit Jen doesn't want to. I'd really like to get stationed at Langley in VA so I can get a place in Virginia Beach but I don't know how lucky I'll get to go where I want. They pretty much send you where they need you. I wonder if I was SF if I could go guard Area 51? That'd be cool.

Regardless it will pay for my college, give me and my wife benefits, and alloy me to mod my car (I will also have to pay for Jen's tuition but I already told her I would) and hopefully attend more SC stuff than I have been able to in the past 2 years. I'd plan my vacation days around stuff I want to do. And Jen likes going to the car shows and races so she's a great partner.

I think I might pick up a used crotch rocket once I get freedom at tech school and depending on how long I'll be there might bring Jen out and get her a place or an extended stay suite somewhere nearby.

I guess I'm gonna have to put the black SC in storage for a while. I'd bring the silver one with me once I get stationed.

[pro street rich]

Dave,

When will the event itinerary, registration and host hotel info be posted ?

David
We going to PARTY in the parking lot at Wal Mart, drink beer, and bench race... Heck that's all we will be able to do with the price of gas and the fact that the silver dude won't be there to race..............LOL..........Rich

[Jim Demmitt Jr]

We going to PARTY in the parking lot at Wal Mart, drink beer, and bench race... Heck that's all we will be able to do with the price of gas and the fact that the silver dude won't be there to race..............LOL..........Rich


Dont count the Silver Dude out yet ;) still got a chance here to get it together and tested in time for our Match Race. If not can fly down with hand out pictures of me and the Silver Bullet will be happy to autograph one for you and my hundreds of Fans :) Army of One

[mannysc]

ohh i want one I want one

[Jeremy_K]

Yeah I'm trying to decide what MO I want. I have to take care of some stuff but should be good to go in a few months. I haven't yet been through meps or taken the ASVAB so I don't know how high I'll score although I'm pretty sure I'll do well.

I want to do either computer system operations apprentice, security forces, or load master. Load master would be cool because you get to be on flight status and also get flight pay, but since I'd always be gone I don't think the wife would like that too much. I'll be getting married before I go so atleast we'll get a bigger check w/ the allowances and stuff. I am hoping to stay domestic, although I'd like to travel a bit Jen doesn't want to. I'd really like to get stationed at Langley in VA so I can get a place in Virginia Beach but I don't know how lucky I'll get to go where I want. They pretty much send you where they need you. I wonder if I was SF if I could go guard Area 51? That'd be cool.

Regardless it will pay for my college, give me and my wife benefits, and alloy me to mod my car (I will also have to pay for Jen's tuition but I already told her I would) and hopefully attend more SC stuff than I have been able to in the past 2 years. I'd plan my vacation days around stuff I want to do. And Jen likes going to the car shows and races so she's a great partner.

I think I might pick up a used crotch rocket once I get freedom at tech school and depending on how long I'll be there might bring Jen out and get her a place or an extended stay suite somewhere nearby.

I guess I'm gonna have to put the black SC in storage for a while. I'd bring the silver one with me once I get stationed.
You don't want to be a cop in the AF trust me! I had a lot of friends that were cops at 3 different bases and they hated it. I feel bad for them sometimes cause they have to sit there and guard planes out on the hot flightline for hours and hours. We say they are "counting rivets" :p Most of my cop friends wanted to be fireman cause we knew how to party and we were pretty chill at work. We laid in recliners with bigscreens while the cops sat out in the sun and baked! I got lucky cause I volunteered for cop #1 choice in boot camp. Firefighter was #2 and that's what I got. Whew! Just try to get something that you like doing that you can use after you get out. The civil service is paying double what i made in the AF for the same exact job!

[Scott Long]

I'll keep that in mind. Hell I'd make a good armchair fire fighter!

I think I'll try the computer thing, then if/when I get out I can go work for a company mainting their systems or be a network administrator or something along those lines.

I figure its a good way to 1. get my college degree(s) paid for, 2. get benefits and let me get on my feet and save money for a few years maybe buy a house if I don't re-enlist, 3. get on the job experience, 4. military, college, and prior related experience look real GOOD on a resume.