whipple supercharger production?

[91supacoop]

hey, whatever happened to the whpple supercharger that was perhaps gunna go into production? i saw some posts some months ago, but didn't hear much after that. If anyone has any info on it, i would love to get myself one.

[joenintiesc]

You may be thinking of the project that Dave Dalke helmed (XR7Dave) where he put together a 2.2 Whipple kit for two people. He then decided to go with an Autorotor 1.7 set-up as a custom application (he's bascially just one guy putting it together to make it work on an SC). Do a search under "AR" ad you should find a bunch of threads about how this nifty project has progressed!

[XR7 Dave]

There are a couple of these SC's driving around now with the new blower in place. I am waiting for some hard data results from these people before announcing any more purchase opportunities. Hopefully in the next week-2 weeks we will have some results to post here.

David

[91supacoop]

There are a couple of these SC's driving around now with the new blower in place. I am waiting for some hard data results from these people before announcing any more purchase opportunities. Hopefully in the next week-2 weeks we will have some results to post here.

David
Thanks alot, i am definitly interested, because i am looking to send my motor to coy miller, but i need all the components before i can do that. would it work with the magnum powers FMIC or will it be made with one in the kit?

[XR7 Dave]

Thanks alot, i am definitly interested, because i am looking to send my motor to coy miller, but i need all the components before i can do that. would it work with the magnum powers FMIC or will it be made with one in the kit?

The system works excellent with the MPFMIC. Contact me at the email in my sig for more details.

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

Speaking of which..I remeber my post on the Autorotor being superior to the Whipple..And all the crap I got for it.....So why the Autorotor now anyway?

Curious

[SilverCasket]

The Whipple was too much for you to handle Damon! :p

Anthony

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

WHY I AUUGGHTTTAAAAA..

Seriously though..I have an autorotor myself so I was curiosu as to why it was chosen as opposed to the whipple..I'm not even trying to stir the pot here!

[cougarsc]

Read this thread. It gets pretty heated between Mr Whipple and Mr Belle.

http://www.svtperformance.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122353

So far the KB AR's make alot more power than the Whipple kits on 03 cobras.

I always thought Whipple made their superchargers inhouse, but from that post they just buy them from the manufacturers.

[SilverCasket]

Man that was a lot of reading. .. But I got through it all. ... You know, I really don't see any definites there. For our purposes, I think either serves pretty damn good. .. We're not putting 600-700 down very easily on our 3.8's ... So 10-20rwhp isn't going to make much of a difference.

All I know is the 2.3 Whipple sure helps to makes mince meat out of any car I've rolled up to yet. .. Now if I can find anything other than station wagon's on the road, I'll let you know what it can really do!

Anthony

[XR7 Dave]

I think what is clearly being missed on the SVT board, and Anthony hit dead on is that either twin screw offers such an advantage over our hopelessly antiquated M90 that any differences between the two are insignificant.

[Andy 94SC]

That is a lot of reading. I only made it through page 2 so far. This looks like anything else, there are three sides to the story; Bell's, Whipple's, and the truth buried somewhere in the middle. Both make some good points, both BS a bit. But I have to say Jim Belle looks like he is the one with more smoke and mirrors. I think he is just pissed that Whipple is coming into the Ford market, quite successfully.

I know quite a few Lightning owners are glad Whipple is offering a Lightning kit now. It seems the Kenne Belle kit has a history of locking up.

Also Dave I noticed a hose you had hooked to the nose drive of the Cougar, was this for the oil pressure isse thay are arguing?

[XR7 Dave]

That is a lot of reading. I only made it through page 2 so far. This looks like anything else, there are three sides to the story; Bell's, Whipple's, and the truth buried somewhere in the middle. Both make some good points, both BS a bit. But I have to say Jim Belle looks like he is the one with more smoke and mirrors. I think he is just pissed that Whipple is coming into the Ford market, quite successfully.

I know quite a few Lightning owners are glad Whipple is offering a Lightning kit now. It seems the Kenne Belle kit has a history of locking up.

Also Dave I noticed a hose you had hooked to the nose drive of the Cougar, was this for the oil pressure isse thay are arguing?

Yes, oil spray at over 15 psi is known to occur. I'm not convinced that Whipple's design is any better. Whipple chooses to seal the snout but that means that the seals have to withstand the pressure that is created. The OE does not support the idea of driving the blowers at more than 15psi, so oil spray is not a condition that the OE cares about in any way. I prefer that the AR has an accommodation for it rather than to try to say that it is not a problem. I think that having a design that doesn't allow the nose to become pressurized in the first place is a superior design.

Of course as usual, what do I know. :rolleyes:

Oh, and Jake's SC made 335rwhp - all bolt on. :D

[SilverCasket]

Damn that sounds pretty ... And does all bolt on mean a Bolt On cam upgrade?

BTW Dave - I'm getting the pulley from Whipple over the next week. Either 3.5 or 3.25. .. Gotta see how it does. Also doing a base this week on the dyno so I have something to compare to.

Anthony

[XR7 Dave]

Damn that sounds pretty ... And does all bolt on mean a Bolt On cam upgrade?

Anthony

No cam. This car pulls 20in vac at idle.

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=44725&page=1&highlight=autorotor


just to stir the pot again

Which is better:O)

[SilverCasket]

Herron wrote this :

I do know that I ran the whipple and autorotor blowers back to back on an 03 cobra that I did some testing on, and the whipple made more power. Not much more, but 15RW all the way thru the powerband.

But again, that's on a real power house motor. .. To us, the difference maybe 6-8rwhp throughout. .. Something that can easily make the difference of a race between who has more experience behind the wheel.

... But Damon, if your wondering, it was the 'Whipple' that made more power in that side-by-side comparison! ;)

Anthony

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

According to Brian.....A majority of Cobra owners are making more power with the Autorotor..

Regardless...Why the autorotor;O)

[XR7 Dave]

According to Brian.....A majority of Cobra owners are making more power with the Autorotor..

Regardless...Why the autorotor;O)

Damon, I don't know what your point is (as usual). :shrugs:

[FastSC]

I'd say with the information out now they are pretty similar. Sure I did see one with a whipple make some more power, but it was on a different day, so all bets are off. I haven't seen any consistant power gains of whipple over KB now that the kits have been out for a while. KB has a 2.4L blower too, which kicks the 2.2L's butt. Way too much displacement for an SC though :) LOL

there are a lot more cobras running the KB than the whipple, so because of that the numbers seem higher. But the whipple kit wasn't available until after the last 04 cobra rolled off the assembly line.

[91supacoop]

Hey dave,
Out of curiosity, and for my own edification, why did you go with the AR over the whipple?

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

The point wasnt power production Dave..The point is which is better...

Kind of like..You can have a v8 ford and a v8 chevy same displacement..Which is better and why?

So why did you choose the Autorotor...Not such a difficult question.

As usual you dont really look into the question you just shrug it off if its something you dont want to hear :O)..

[XR7 Dave]

The point wasnt power production Dave..... I never made any referrence to any difference in power between either blower. Why would you assume I even have an opinion on this matter? I've never made any comments one way or the other regarding power potential AR vrs. Whipple nor do I plan to.

The point is which is better

Kind of like..You can have a v8 ford and a v8 chevy same displacement..Which is better and why?The question you pose is just about as relevant as the Ford vrs. Chevy question. Neither is better, they are different yet similar and a Ford advocate will never be swayed to choose Chevy. Your choice is your choice.

So why did you choose the Autorotor...Not such a difficult question. Certainly not. I prefered not to answer your question because you seem to take great delight in disagreeing with me. Perhaps I also misunderstood this comment: just to stir the pot again Which really bothers me because the post you also link to is primarily an argument between Brian and Paul about Apten and Mendola's project. I don't see what any of that has to do with anything currently in progress.

As usual you dont really look into the question you just shrug it off if its something you dont want to hear :O).. Damon, I'd like to stop arguing with you about things. We are both smart enough to see through the other's inuendos and I tire of it mostly.



Hey dave,
Out of curiosity, and for my own edification, why did you go with the AR over the whipple? To be very clear I did not choose one over the other. I have used both units and feel that they are both superb products. However, obviously I cannot use both. My choice was not a reflection on the quality of either unit but rather one that I made based on a variety of factors none of which reflect particularly positive or negative on either product. The AR fit my requirements slightly better and there really isn't anything else to say.

Yes, I suppose that may make it seem like I am talking in circles and it doesn't give Damon the definitive answer he was looking for. However, I will not be drawn into an argument about the postives or negatives of either unit. All are free to witness those types of discussions on other forums where people feel it is important to split hairs over 3% in total engine efficieny differences. Both are superb and both offer efficiencies that exceed the M90 by perhaps more than 10 times the differences that they are arguing about possibly existing between the two designs.

To make this a choice for SC owners was my goal in the beginning and I am happy to say that it has begun to show some promise. :)

[SCaddict]

I am wondering why this is even worth the drama. Maybe David picked the AR because that is what he wanted. Who cares he set it all up! If someone else wants a Whipple or any other product for the SC then go ahead and spend tons of time and money and build it, David did. I for one appreciate what he does for the SC community and don't understand why things need to be so high school sometimes. I will own the AR setup ASAP and will be very happy about it.

[cougarsc]

Here's a post on the Whipple snouts coming apart:

http://www.modularfords.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18273&page=1&pp=30