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dirtybird91
04-20-2005, 01:59 PM
Do you have any updates to share with us on your Turbo'ed V8 Supercoupe with Forcefab??? :confused:

I certainly hope to hear something on that. I plan to stop through there and see it when it's done. :cool:

SilverCasket
04-20-2005, 02:18 PM
That's a great question... Should be moving pretty good considering Chris's was done lickedy split! ... It's gonna be awesome! Can't Wait!

CHRIS, YOU DONE WITH YOUR GASKETS YET MAN!

Anthony

David Neibert
04-20-2005, 03:00 PM
Yes Chris' car is done and looks great. From what I understand it ran great right up until the point were it blew a head gasket on the way over to be dyno tuned. Carson (guy who was driving) said they were going 40 mph and he gave it about 1/4 throttle and it blew the tires off with 3 or 4 pounds of boost and the car got sideways, then pop goes the HGs.

Here are some pics of Chris' turbocharged 347 SC.

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=38191

When I last spoke to Carson on Thursday, he insisted that my car was still on track for a May 1st completion. I think that's wishful thinking on his part, because they hadn't done any of the fabrication work as of Saturday the 16th.

I think it's going to come down to how long it takes to get the hot side parts coated. Since they have already done Chris' car they think mine will be a breeze and will only require using larger pipes (to accomadate the larger turbo) in some areas.

Since they get a $500 bonus for completion on May 1st (so I can bring the car to WFC 8), I'm sure they will be busting their humps to make that date. I already warned then not to take any shortcuts or do a half a$$ job just to get the bonus money or they will be doing it over for free.

I'm guessing mid May, but who knows.... they might pull it off by May 1st.

David

dirtybird91
04-20-2005, 03:11 PM
This is overall good news David. I hope May 1st will yield some results. This thing is going to be a monster!!! Did Carson put new headgaskets on Chris's car during the build? :confused:

David Neibert
04-20-2005, 04:00 PM
This is overall good news David. I hope May 1st will yield some results. This thing is going to be a monster!!! Did Carson put new headgaskets on Chris's car during the build? :confused:

As far as I know, Carson didn't do any work to the motor in Chris' car. (you guys should probably be asking Chris these questions)

I think Chris' SC now falls into the "Crazy Power" category, and if mine performs as expected it should be downright Scary.

David

Randy N Connie
04-20-2005, 04:10 PM
David I sure would like to ride in your new car when finished.
I will buy you a can of coffee. :)

RANDY

ThunderDave
04-20-2005, 04:16 PM
pop goes the HGs

And it's not even a 3.8 :eek: :D

If Chris's is scary, yours should be horrifying. :eek: :D

David Neibert
04-20-2005, 04:28 PM
And it's not even a 3.8 :eek: :D

If Chris's is scary, yours should be horrifying. :eek: :D

Yeah...something like that. When the boost control knob is set to "Kill" both cars should make way more power than can be used safely on the street. Should be fun if I don't get stupid and wreck it.

David

PS: Sure Randy...I might even stop off in Effingham on the way back from Dayton.

dirtybird91
04-20-2005, 05:44 PM
Yeah...something like that. When the boost control knob is set to "Kill" both cars should make way more power than can be used safely on the street. Should be fun if I don't get stupid and wreck it.

David

PS: Sure Randy...I might even stop off in Effingham on the way back from Dayton.

LOL! David, you can save me a trip if you share the date of your possible visit with Randy. I can kill off two birds with one stone if I get with you AND Randy in one trip. :D

David Neibert
04-20-2005, 05:55 PM
LOL! David, you can save me a trip if you share the date of your possible visit with Randy. I can kill off two birds with one stone if I get with you AND Randy in one trip. :D

Frank,

I don't really know the date, because I'm talking about stopping at Randy's on the way back from picking the car up in Dayton. After picking the car up from Forced Fab, I plan on spending another day with Dave Dalke dyno tuning it. Again, I can't really schedule anything with Dave until I know when the turbo system will be done.

David

dirtybird91
04-20-2005, 07:13 PM
Frank,

I don't really know the date, because I'm talking about stopping at Randy's on the way back from picking the car up in Dayton. After picking the car up from Forced Fab, I plan on spending another day with Dave Dalke dyno tuning it. Again, I can't really schedule anything with Dave until I know when the turbo system will be done.

David

Cool David! Keep us updated man!!! :eek:

Randy N Connie
04-20-2005, 08:09 PM
Frank do you think David will be able to concentrate on driving.
With the both of us screaming during the ride. :eek:

RANDY :)

dirtybird91
04-20-2005, 08:23 PM
Frank do you think David will be able to concentrate on driving.
With the both of us screaming during the ride. :eek:

RANDY :)

Naaaa! I'm still trying to figure out how David will concentrate when he see's a black man turn completely WHITE!!! :eek: :p :D

Michael Mattix
04-21-2005, 06:45 AM
Now THAT is funny....

David Neibert
04-26-2005, 08:45 AM
Talked with Carson yesterday and the car isn't going to be ready in time for World Ford Challenge. There was just too much to get done, and I didn't want them doing a rush job.

One of the major concerns is why the coating is coming off of Chris' hot pipes. His parts are all being sent back for recoating. Since mine is being coated and heat wrapped, I wouldn't know there was a problem until the pipes started rusting.

All things considered, I'm guessing another 4 weeks before it's ready for tuning.

Now I need to get out in the garage and fix the stuff I broke on the 91 racing it Friday night, so I'll have a car at WFC. I really hate those pesky nitrous explosions in the headers :( .

David

SilverCasket
04-26-2005, 09:04 AM
~~~~~ Man. What happened Friday? Did I miss a post. .. Not to hijack the Turbo thread. .. But your one of the few still consistantly running Nitrous, so I've got to follow the patterns for future reference. ;)

So do tell, everything alright?

Anthony

XR7 Dave
04-26-2005, 09:46 AM
Still don't know why David didn't go with stainless pipes......

David Neibert
04-26-2005, 11:25 AM
Still don't know why David didn't go with stainless pipes......

It wasn't an option.

David

David Neibert
04-26-2005, 04:24 PM
~~~~~ Man. What happened Friday? Did I miss a post. .. Not to hijack the Turbo thread. .. But your one of the few still consistantly running Nitrous, so I've got to follow the patterns for future reference. ;)

So do tell, everything alright?

Anthony

Anthony,

I'm not a 100% on what happened, but I think it's ignition related. "Blowin out yer spark" then having the cats ignite the air/fuel/nitrous mixture seems to be the best explanation so far. It's the same thing that broke the car a month or two before last year's Shootout. This link has more details.

http://p075.ezboard.com/fthunderbirdundergroundfrm1.showMessage?topicID=88 79.topic

It still runs okay, just sounds real loud and a little tinny and raspy when I get on the throttle hard enough to make any boost (like one of the cats is split wide open).

I need to pull the instrument cluster to reattach the boost gauge hose that blew off and is now hissing under the dash and get under the car to find out where the huge exhaust leak is coming from.

If I'm still motivated after doing that stuff, I'll pull the plugs and see what they look like. I think I just need to tighten the plug gap to about .030 to fix the problem.

David

SilverCasket
04-26-2005, 05:25 PM
"Fun Fun Fun till your wife takes your TBird Away!" ... That's how the song goes in my house. .lol.

Sounds like you've got a few projects there. .. Thanks for the update. .. I'm a couple months from plumbing the car. I've been waiting until I get 2 or 3 months of driving without breaking anything to see how the car fairs. .. Where were your gaps at? Weren't they at like 35 or 38?

Anthony

David Neibert
04-26-2005, 05:48 PM
"Fun Fun Fun till your wife takes your TBird Away!" ... That's how the song goes in my house. .lol.

Sounds like you've got a few projects there. .. Thanks for the update. .. I'm a couple months from plumbing the car. I've been waiting until I get 2 or 3 months of driving without breaking anything to see how the car fairs. .. Where were your gaps at? Weren't they at like 35 or 38?

Anthony

They are currently gapped at .040 (NGK Iriduims).

David

Scott Long
04-26-2005, 05:51 PM
Dave maybe someone could make you some pipes to bolt on in place of your cats that are flared at both ends to slide over what you have. Then get some extensions welded onto your cats w/ flares to match the straight pipes. If you need to have it inspected or emissions tested or whatever put the cats on but if not, leave the straight pipes on. I'm sure you could find someone who can weld and bend pipe to do it, might not give you a reciept or maybe they will make them but tell you they are "for off road use only" or something along those lines. That'd be your best bet. Might have to move the cats back a few inches so you can get to the straight section of pipe rather than the down tube bends.

David Neibert
04-26-2005, 06:01 PM
Dave maybe someone could make you some pipes to bolt on in place of your cats that are flared at both ends to slide over what you have. Then get some extensions welded onto your cats w/ flares to match the straight pipes. If you need to have it inspected or emissions tested or whatever put the cats on but if not, leave the straight pipes on. I'm sure you could find someone who can weld and bend pipe to do it, might not give you a reciept or maybe they will make them but tell you they are "for off road use only" or something along those lines. That'd be your best bet. Might have to move the cats back a few inches so you can get to the straight section of pipe rather than the down tube bends.

Scott,

I tried to get several of the exhaust shops make the cats removable, but none of them would do it. Since it won't pass emissions anyway, I'm about to bring the car into work and have the guys on 2nd shift remove the cats and weld straight pipes in.

I just didn't want it to be any louder than it already is, but I'm told that nitrous and cats don't go together very well. I suppose I could just remove the nitrous system, but that's not much fun.

David

Scott Long
04-27-2005, 06:50 AM
yeah if i had to choose, cats or nitrous..... i'd be all over the nitrous.

I don't have cats on any of my SC's. But in Michigan where my cars are registered we don't do inspections or emissions thank god. It made my black car a little bit louder but its not that bad. You already have a good exhaust system on your car so it should give it a little bit deeper rumble.

I'd clean and regap the plugs too, might as well, or replace them. Hopefully you should be back in the 11's in no time.

SilverCasket
04-27-2005, 07:58 AM
Mufflex Performance here in NJ wanted to set me up with that type of "Swap out cats for straight pipes" ... I didn't want that. But that is a good idea. I just couldn't see spending $600 that they wanted to make them.

Dave, you can always clear the cats out. That still sounds pretty damn good. It gives the air an extra second to rumble around in the cat enclosure. .. Sounds nice.

Anthony

MIKE 38sc
04-27-2005, 09:46 PM
Scott,

I tried to get several of the exhaust shops make the cats removable, but none of them would do it. Since it won't pass emissions anyway, I'm about to bring the car into work and have the guys on 2nd shift remove the cats and weld straight pipes in.

I just didn't want it to be any louder than it already is, but I'm told that nitrous and cats don't go together very well. I suppose I could just remove the nitrous system, but that's not much fun.

David


Wow Dave! Your co. allows you to bring your car in for the employees to work on it? Ahhhhhh the perks of being a big dog for the co. LOL!!!!!! :p

dirtybird91
04-27-2005, 10:04 PM
Wow Dave! Your co. allows you to bring your car in for the employees to work on it? Ahhhhhh the perks of being a big dog for the co. LOL!!!!!! :p

WOW!!! I will have to second that! :eek: :)

MIKE 38sc
04-27-2005, 10:23 PM
I wonder if the 2nd shift goes to the track with Dave to be his pit crew?
Ya know not sucking up or anything....just being his buddies. :p

David Neibert
04-27-2005, 10:28 PM
Wow Dave! Your co. allows you to bring your car in for the employees to work on it? Ahhhhhh the perks of being a big dog for the co. LOL!!!!!! :p

Mike,

I wouldn't normally use one of the union guys, but could if needed. For this job I just need one of the work bays and some of the equipment. The guy doing the welding used to be one of the better fabricators in the plant and now works in sales doing feild service and special projects.

I seldom bring my car into the shop, but when I do everyone would rather help with it than do their regular jobs. When I first started modding my 91, I did everything there, just in case something went wrong. Yes, being the boss does come in handy once in a while, but I make a point not to abuse my privleges.

Most of the work I have done by the company is off the clock, and I give the guys doing the work some cash on the side. They really like doing something car related and the stuff I have done usually gives them a chance to show off their skills.

What's even cooler is having an engineering department to draw anything I need in autocad.

David

MIKE 38sc
04-27-2005, 10:39 PM
Wow Dave I respect you for that. Most all of my boss's have had me build something for there cars or trucks or BBQ grills or fish fryers or turkey feeders or cattle gates or boats or motorcycles even belt buckles and jewelry. Hell I thought when I got into the Pipefitters I was going to fit and weld pipe mostly. I just did'nt realize how wide the scope of work was for a Pipefitter. :eek:

ThunderDave
04-28-2005, 07:21 AM
When I was having trouble with my SC last summer, the mechanic at my job said I could bring it in and he'd work on it for me, but when he didn't seem to know about how the coil pack worked :eek: , I knew it would be a mistake to let him touch it. David is lucky if the people at his work can work on his car.

David Neibert
04-28-2005, 09:14 AM
When I was having trouble with my SC last summer, the mechanic at my job said I could bring it in and he'd work on it for me, but when he didn't seem to know about how the coil pack worked :eek: , I knew it would be a mistake to let him touch it. David is lucky if the people at his work can work on his car.

I think you guys are misunderstanding.....the people at my work don't know anything more about Super Coupes than the average guy at Jiffy Lube. Since we are in the business of building custom drilling equipment and all terrain carriers, they can fabricate just about anything I can imagine.

When I need something I can't buy, I have them make it for me. Stuff like a mounting bracket for the propane tank, rework of my torque strap, quick disconnect supercharger pulleys for Kathy's GTP. More recently an alternator bracket, motor mount spacers, ignition box mount and a custom upper plenum for the turbo car. They also did much of the fabrication on Chris Wise's liquid IC system.

I very seldom bring the cars into the shop, just when doing stuff that requires some special tools, like when I installed my first set of underdrives I didn't have an impact wrench (do now). When Chris Wise and I installed the transmission coolers in the 91 and had to remove all the stock lines, cut some holes and make some special mounting brackets to hold the coolers and fan up in the fender under the battery. 90% of the work done on my cars happens in my own garage or in Chris Wise's garage. The people at my company don't actually work on the car.

It's just nice to have the resources of a custom manufacturing company when you need something made and you need it quick. When Dave Dalke flew in and helped me install the race motor in the 93 last summer, there were several things we had to modify or fabricate just to get the motor installed. We were over at the plant everyday getting something made or modded. Being able to pick up the phone and describe a part we needed made and have it waiting on my desk before I could drive over to pick it up, was very helpful. Dave thinks I should have a company logo on the car for all their sponsorship of the project.

David

PS: We are now starting to install FMICs on some of the new turbo diesel machines....hummm I wonder if any of that stuff will fit on an SC ???

Kurt K
04-28-2005, 11:26 AM
PS: We are now starting to install FMICs on some of the new turbo diesel machines....hummm I wonder if any of that stuff will fit on an SC ???
I wonder too :D

Scott Long
04-28-2005, 08:15 PM
I wonder three....

That's cool that the guys can fabricate stuff for you. I figure as long as you aren't taking them away in the middle of an important project to fab something up for your car that it gives them something to do rather than stand around and get paid for it. Plus then they don't think the boss is a jerk and they think its cool that they can help build up a sweet car.

David Neibert
04-28-2005, 10:13 PM
I wonder three....

That's cool that the guys can fabricate stuff for you. I figure as long as you aren't taking them away in the middle of an important project to fab something up for your car that it gives them something to do rather than stand around and get paid for it. Plus then they don't think the boss is a jerk and they think its cool that they can help build up a sweet car.

The stuff they make for me is easy compared to what they make everyday. Here's some of the drilling equipment we make.

http://cmeco.com/drill.html

David

dirtybird91
04-28-2005, 10:51 PM
The stuff they make for me is easy compared to what they make everyday. Here's some of the drilling equipment we make.

http://cmeco.com/drill.html

David

COOL! :cool: