My first Nascar race

[ThunderDave]

What an experience! I had a blast from the time the national anthem was sung with the 4 jets doing the fly over till Kurt was doing his victory burn out. It was a more tame race than I thought it would be, with so much on the line of who gets in and who doesn't for the championship chase.

I noticed it seemed to go by faster than it seems like it does on TV too. :D Maybe it's because there are no commercials. :cool: Two of the other guys that went with us tried to become human kegs and parts of the trip weren't that great, because of their behavior and not knowing when they had enough.

We selected one of them as the "Budweiser One Too Many Award" winner. :D The other was a close runner up and in some peoples eyes, should have won the award himself. :eek: I won't go into all the details, but I hope next time we go, we can leave those clowns at home.


I took some pics with a digital camera and most of them didn't turn out too good, but I'll post a few that did later.

[T@Sound-Xtreme]

Dave,

Im sorry you had to experience that fixed stuff they call racing. Honestly, you cant tell me its not fixed in some kinda way. How many chebys were in the front? And how many dodges were in the top 10? I stopped caring about nascar racing after i read that they pretty much made dodge quit racing after the original hemi. Thats how GM is, he was quoted to say "we will do whatever it takes to get a chevy in the front of the field", thats how it is, theres always some wimp crying about the damn winner. I can hear it now" that dodge aint far to race, his motor was better designed, better tuned, better built, disqualify him" BS.

I know im ganna start a big thing here, but thats not what im trying to do. Nascar is very commercialezed(<--sp) but not quite as bad as the NFL.


Oh and agian, it is monday, sorry :(

Tyler

[quick35th]

Tyler I understand what you are trying to say. Though I am not fimiliar with alot of the past history with nascar but I am pretty current with it and I can see how it can look to be "fixed." I honestly dont think it is fixed though.

Shane

[the-big-e]

As a long time NASCAR fan, I believe that they try to fix some of the races....

I once heard that a promoter of a race allowed some drivers to run lighter cars so they would have a better chance to win......

But who knows for sure.....

I like to see sparks flying, rubber burning, and wild rides.....

Just ask Martin Truex...... :D

[89FORCEFED95]

Is NASCAR fixed???

Richard Petty wins July 4th Daytona race- which just happens to be his 200th win, in front of Ronald Reagan(the President at the time for all you that weren't around at the time).

Darrell Waltrip wins the Daytona 500 and promptly blows his engine crossing the finish line. Engine is deemed legal anyway, and as Jeff Hammond(Waltrip's crew chief at the time) said last year when questioned about it, it didn't matter whether the engine was legal or not, it went down as a win.

Dale Earnhardt Sr. is leading the Daytona 500 and a caution flag comes out with a handfull of laps left and race ends under yellow. Supposedly oil on the track. I think they cleaned it up with a paper towel.

And my all time favorite, Dale Sr. dies during the Daytona 500, and as if it were written in the stars, Dale Jr. wins at Daytona the following July.

Its a known fact that the France family looks after themselves and sh*ts on everyone else. I used to go to all of the Charlotte and Rockingham races, and I had a great time, but then I noticed I was paying $120 for a SEAT, and the priviledge to pee in a pee trough (if you get a case of the screamin' sh*ts, Lord help you) and pay $3 for a hot dog and $4 for a Coke. You get herded around like cattle and then sit in traffic forever tired, broke and thirsty because the hot dogs are so salty. Things could be alot better, and track owners wouldn't have to try real hard to make it that way. I go to the IRL races in Richmond, pay $99 for a front stretch seat, garage pass and track hospitality(buffet lunch with driver interviews) and an autograph session the night before the race with all of the drivers(and yes, Danica Patrick is HOTT). Concessions are the same price, but I also noticed the total lack of drunk, inbred rednecks too. Its a real enjoyable experience and I don't feel like I'm getting plugged in the rear without any lube.

I like NASCAR and will probably watch it for a few more years, but I have to admit, the France family marketing scheme is getting old. I've heard Bill France's favorite quote was, "Load the wagon, the mule is blind." I'm wondering just how long they're going to overload the wagon before the mule(the NASCAR fans) opens his eyes and decides to tell the France's to F*** off.

Sorry for writing so much, I had to vent. Heres some more food for thought: DEI dominated the restrictor plate races until NASCAR limited the size of the ring gear they could put in the rear end. Five Rousch cars are in the chase this year, and Dale Jr. and Jeff Gordon are not, what rules do you think NASCAR is going to change next year???

Just my .02

[ThunderDave]

Y'all act like this is wrestling. :rolleyes: There are some things that are beyond the control of drivers and crews and it's not that I haven't heard the arguement before, I just think there is less of a chance that it happens.

[T@Sound-Xtreme]

PICS? I didnt mean to hi jacl your thread dave, i just had to talk, it was monday afterall


Tyler

[ThunderDave]

PICS? I didnt mean to hi jacl your thread dave, i just had to talk, it was monday afterall


Tyler


Get your own bag. :D ;) It's ok if you rant and rave on a thread I start. I'm not the kind of person that get posessive over stuff like that. Sometimes it's fun just seeing what topic a thread might end up on. :eek:

I tried loading some pics and it said thefiles were too big. :eek:

[quick35th]

David if you want you could send me your pics and I can resize them for you.

Shane

[ThunderDave]

BTW, I did pick Kurt Busch to win the race, so maybe I fixed it. :eek: :D ;) I wish I had bet some money on it, but the two clowns didn't want to play.

[the-big-e]

I am in a NASCAR pool where we pick a different driver for each race and get points for where they finish......

Cost $100.00, but you can take home some serious dough for winning.....

I placed second one year and took home $700.00 :D :D :D

[HappyHourHero]

i'll be going to my first race next month, i think its oct 15th in north carolina... apparently the pee troughs and hairy drunk rednecks make the whole experience. :D . the big-e, my dad also is in a pool with some charlotte boys, that is just like your pool...different driver for each race, can't pick the same driver twice and if you win thats good becouse you get alot of money and if you are in dead last, you get some if not all your money back, so it pays to be a loser. i think his is a $55 pool.

[sizemoremk]

Is NASCAR fixed???

Richard Petty wins July 4th Daytona race- which just happens to be his 200th win, in front of Ronald Reagan(the President at the time for all you that weren't around at the time).

Darrell Waltrip wins the Daytona 500 and promptly blows his engine crossing the finish line. Engine is deemed legal anyway, and as Jeff Hammond(Waltrip's crew chief at the time) said last year when questioned about it, it didn't matter whether the engine was legal or not, it went down as a win.

Dale Earnhardt Sr. is leading the Daytona 500 and a caution flag comes out with a handfull of laps left and race ends under yellow. Supposedly oil on the track. I think they cleaned it up with a paper towel.

And my all time favorite, Dale Sr. dies during the Daytona 500, and as if it were written in the stars, Dale Jr. wins at Daytona the following July.

Its a known fact that the France family looks after themselves and sh*ts on everyone else. I used to go to all of the Charlotte and Rockingham races, and I had a great time, but then I noticed I was paying $120 for a SEAT, and the priviledge to pee in a pee trough (if you get a case of the screamin' sh*ts, Lord help you) and pay $3 for a hot dog and $4 for a Coke. You get herded around like cattle and then sit in traffic forever tired, broke and thirsty because the hot dogs are so salty. Things could be alot better, and track owners wouldn't have to try real hard to make it that way. I go to the IRL races in Richmond, pay $99 for a front stretch seat, garage pass and track hospitality(buffet lunch with driver interviews) and an autograph session the night before the race with all of the drivers(and yes, Danica Patrick is HOTT). Concessions are the same price, but I also noticed the total lack of drunk, inbred rednecks too. Its a real enjoyable experience and I don't feel like I'm getting plugged in the rear without any lube.

I like NASCAR and will probably watch it for a few more years, but I have to admit, the France family marketing scheme is getting old. I've heard Bill France's favorite quote was, "Load the wagon, the mule is blind." I'm wondering just how long they're going to overload the wagon before the mule(the NASCAR fans) opens his eyes and decides to tell the France's to F*** off.

Sorry for writing so much, I had to vent. Heres some more food for thought: DEI dominated the restrictor plate races until NASCAR limited the size of the ring gear they could put in the rear end. Five Rousch cars are in the chase this year, and Dale Jr. and Jeff Gordon are not, what rules do you think NASCAR is going to change next year???

Just my .02


You forgot to mention Jeff Gordon winning the first race at the brickyard ;)

I can't remember the last race I watched, the more commercialized it got, the less I liked it. NASCAR is as political as Washington DC... They chane the rules all the time, and they obvlously change the rules to favor the big names.

It really took the last straw when Earnhardt died, and everyone wouldn't let it the hell go... All you heard even a couple years later, was "The inteimidator, blah blah blah, looking down on us; blah blah..
Shut the hell up... Let the man alone, and then everyone that hated his guts all of a sudden was a big "3" fan.... I didn't like him before, and his dying didn't change that either. I'll give him some props, he was good; but he also got away with murder on the track, just like gordon. 3 would put someone i the wall and he was just being the ole intemidator, 24 would put someone in the wall and he was just a rookie. BS :mad:

And my major beef:

Why the hell do they still call it a stock car? There aint a damn thing Ford or chevy about a single one of them cars...


Sure I did Darlington and Charlotte back in high school, and I might hit talledega once, just since its right down the road, but NASCAR is pretty worthless these days, and its a shame...

[defect]

I agree with sizemoremk, where are the stock?? cars. It was a lot better when you could look at the cars and know if they were ford or chevy or dodge. And they made radical looking cars back then, Ford Talledaga or the Dodge big winged car, [forget the name]. If not for the Hemi I don't think ford would have made the 429 shotgun??? engine. Much better when it was race what was built

[sizemoremk]

429 shotgun??? engine. Much better when it was race what was built


You talkin about a 427 cammer?

I've never herd of the shotgun motor, but apparenty Boss 429 stangs had a shptgun, or maybe the quick search turned up some bad results :confused:

[ThunderDave]

Maybe the "stock" is as in stock appearance. They do almost resemble cars driven on the street, less the big rear spoilers and air dams. If racing was set up to favor the big name drivers, wouldn't Dale Earnhardt Jr. and Jeff Gordon be in the points race?

Also, since this is Rusty Wallace and Mark Martins last season, will either of them be allowed to win the nextel cup championship? Rusty has a winston cup championship to his name, but Mark doesn't. Will they finally let him win?

[defect]

You talkin about a 427 cammer?

I've never herd of the shotgun motor, but apparenty Boss 429 stangs had a shptgun, or maybe the quick search turned up some bad results :confused:


Yea maybe got it wrong, I thought the Boss 429 was called a shotgun engine. If I remember correctly wasn't the 429 used in Nascar?? Still liked it when you could tell the cars apart easier

[sizemoremk]

Yea maybe got it wrong, I thought the Boss 429 was called a shotgun engine. If I remember correctly wasn't the 429 used in Nascar?? Still liked it when you could tell the cars apart easier


They all look the same to me... unless you're right up on em...

[rlong]

i went to daytona every year since 1983 , but i didnt go this year , ive been to most of the tracks in the east . i was at darlington when bill won the million it was my fav dale hit the wall so many times he put his hands up going down the backstrech meaning that he gave up . it just isnt fun anymore to much traffic and to high prices , i was at charllotte when mark martin won the million too it was very exciting . i still believe dale didnt have his helmet on when he got killed i have a pic of him the lap before and you can see his ears and his head i attached the pic but you will prob have to save it then enlarge it to see , and all the lady on the safety crew would say was normally they would cut the helmet safety strap but she didnt have too , it didnt even look like a bad wreck i didnt think much of it till i heard the news on the way home , then they tried to blame poor mr simpson cause they say the seatbelt installed wrong broke . dale wrecked al unser jr so many times in the iroc race al unser quit iroc and terry labonte threw his iroc racing suit in the trash cause they gave dale new tires and nobody else . then he wrecked i forget his name after the race was over on the backstrectch cause he got beat i was pissed nascar did nothing about it like my dad said what if the poor guy loosened his seatbelt that wasnt right , and how about dale jr a few weeks ago that was speeding on pit road 3 or more times and they warned him dont do it again or we will penalize you . i never heard of a warning for that either you did or didnt

[quick35th]

i still believe dale didnt have his helmet on when he got killed i have a pic of him the lap before and you can see his ears and his head.

Now thats a picture I would be very interested in seeing.

Shane

[seawalkersee]

Y'all act like this is wrestling. :rolleyes: There are some things that are beyond the control of drivers and crews and it's not that I haven't heard the arguement before, I just think there is less of a chance that it happens.
Lets see...things that cant be controlled by someone else..."Oh no...the only way that the 16 car can make it back on the lead lap is if there is a caution...WOW...the #6 car JUST went into a spin..." Lets see. Yep it happened. Wannan know about the 2 car and the 24 car smashing sides and the 24 passing below the apron while the 10 car was ON F***ING fire below that SAME apron...24 car gets the win. 2 car continues to run up front. He is warned 3 times about passing the pace car before it leaves the track...He didnt win that race and was never told when he could go full throttle. Hmmmm...wonder who their pick was. I also know the guy was was first in line to work ALL of the wrecks. He used to be a NASCAR fan too. Its funny to see the look on peoples faces who already know the secret of how Earnhart died...and I let emm know that I know too... ;). You can thank THAT family for the new law in Florida now. You can not be in possession of an accident report within 48 (I think its 48) hours after it happens because THEY did not want the truth getting out. What 30 plus cameras in that car and NO ONE can tell you what happened.


**********************NEWS FLASH************************

Yeah...its fixed.

Chris

[ThunderDave]

It seems most people these days have a conspiracy theory about one thing or another. Whether it be 9-11, the war in Iraq or even Hurricane Katrina. Most people need something to believe in, but at the same time, most people need something to doubt in too.

[seawalkersee]

Not soo much that, I was basically crushed when I found out the things I did. I could not believe it could be true. Seriously, try to figure out how these things could happen....Hmmmmmmm....that money Suuuuuuuuure looks good.

Chris

[ThunderDave]

Not soo much that, I was basically crushed when I found out the things I did. I could not believe it could be true. Seriously, try to figure out how these things could happen....Hmmmmmmm....that money Suuuuuuuuure looks good. Chris

You mean like the way Tony Stewart seemed to be unstoppable leading up to the Brickyard, making him an odds on favorite to win? And he did. Hasn't done much since then though. Yeah, sometimes it's seems if if it's been scripted.

Shane says the pictures are too blurry to post. Last time I use a digital camera for something like that.

[seawalkersee]

Make no mistake, they are still fun to watch and have the greatest probability of chance but it is still rigged. Im tellin ya. When I started to see the way things played out...its almost like wresteliing...29 car runs into the 10 car after the RUTL. Words are exchanged from the "BAD BOY" to the good guy...Hmmm...Chebby against Ford...again.

Chris

[quick35th]

Its funny to see the look on peoples faces who already know the secret of how Earnhart died...and I let emm know that I know too... ;). You can thank THAT family for the new law in Florida now. You can not be in possession of an accident report within 48 (I think its 48) hours after it happens because THEY did not want the truth getting out. What 30 plus cameras in that car and NO ONE can tell you what happened.


**********************NEWS FLASH************************

Yeah...its fixed.

Chris


Not soo much that, I was basically crushed when I found out the things I did. I could not believe it could be true. Seriously, try to figure out how these things could happen....Hmmmmmmm....that money Suuuuuuuuure looks good.

Chris

You NEED to explain more on these "things you found out." I have an understanding of what I think you are trying to say but you need to just flat out state what you know or THINK you know. Otherwise I declare this total BS.

Shane

[ThunderDave]

I saved the pic, but I'm unable to tell if he has his helmet on or not. I know he wore the open face helmet as opposed to the full helmet. I'm with Shane, if you know something, stopped beating around the bush. You are making this seem like all the footage from cameras that the FBI took at the Pentagon.

What really happened to Dale Earnhardt and why?

[T@Sound-Xtreme]

stopped beating around the bush

haha he said BUSH.



Anyway, Im ganna call some ppl this week look for Rusty Wallace to win this weekend :p


Tyler

[ThunderDave]

I'm sure at some point, there were George W. supporters chanting: we want Bush, we want Bush, we want Bush, we want Bush,........................... :D Hey Tyler, you bring that SC up here on Oct. 22th? We are thinking it's time for another Highbeams run.

[T@Sound-Xtreme]

ughhh yea, sounds good, talk to me when its closer, this time NO WIFE, did you not see the hole being burnt through my head as soon as we opened the door and there were girls with harldy any clothing on??????????????

I loved it i must say, but you guys should feel bad telling me it was ok to bring my wife. :p


Tyler

[ThunderDave]

ughhh yea, sounds good, talk to me when its closer, this time NO WIFE, did you not see the hole being burnt through my head as soon as we opened the door and there were girls with harldy any clothing on??????????????

I loved it i must say, but you guys should feel bad telling me it was ok to bring my wife. :p


Tyler

:D it was ok to bring your wife, as long as both of you can handle it. :D Was she ok? I could tell you looked a little uncomfortable. Good thing you kept your shades on. :D

[the-big-e]

ughhh yea, sounds good, talk to me when its closer, this time NO WIFE, did you not see the hole being burnt through my head as soon as we opened the door and there were girls with harldy any clothing on??????????????

BRAWK......CLUCK CLUCK CLUCK.......BRAWK...... :D

[seawalkersee]

You NEED to explain more on these "things you found out." I have an understanding of what I think you are trying to say but you need to just flat out state what you know or THINK you know. Otherwise I declare this total BS.

Shane
There are things I know that I can not say. Other peoples jobs depend on it and I am sorry if you dont believe me. I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to get into a pissing contest over this so doubt if you will, all I have to say is "We here at Cheverolet are going to do whatever is necessary to stay on top in NASCAR".

Chris

[quick35th]

There are things I know that I can not say. Other peoples jobs depend on it and I am sorry if you dont believe me. I ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to get into a pissing contest over this so doubt if you will, all I have to say is "We here at Cheverolet are going to do whatever is necessary to stay on top in NASCAR".

Chris

Holly crap my BS meter just pegged on the bs side and the friggen needle just busted off. Now smoke and fire are starting to come out of it :p ;) :D. Seriously if Cheverolet is going to do anything to stay on top of Nascar no matter what the cost they sure have not been making any progress lately as I see all 5 of the Roush Racing cars are in the chase. Plus what team has won the Nextel cup the last two years in a row? So why in the world would Cheverlet consider killing off Dale Earnhardt sr. to be on top? Was it some sort of a setup or is Earnhardt sr. playing Elvis?

Shane

[seawalkersee]

Holly crap my BS meter just pegged on the bs side and the friggen needle just busted off. Now smoke and fire are starting to come out of it :p ;) :D. Seriously if Cheverolet is going to do anything to stay on top of Nascar no matter what the cost they sure have not been making any progress lately as I see all 5 of the Roush Racing cars are in the chase. Plus what team has won the Nextel cup the last two years in a row? So why in the world would Cheverlet consider killing off Dale Earnhardt sr. to be on top? Was it some sort of a setup or is Earnhardt sr. playing Elvis?

Shane
So its like that huh? Well tuffy, here is the deal. Sr. IS really dead, and IF you think I am really blowing smoke, YOU do some research...Start with finding out how long after his death did FL change the law stating you can no longer be in possession of an accident report unless you have a subpoenia, are an involved party, or it is less then 48 hours after the wreck. I know it is not directly related to NASCAR, but you will see the big picture when your answer lies in a number of days....Oh...next time you call me out on the BS meter...you MAY want to start with a tad more knowldege of who you are dealing with...I know a tad more then I let on.

Chris

[ThunderDave]

Chris and Shane, I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask y'all to leave my thread. :eek: :p :D , No really, let's not get bent out of shape about this. I guess when someone makes a statement and then doesn't back it up, you feel you can call BS. If Chris says he has a good reason to not go into details, then we can leave it at that.

I don't think Dale would take one for "the team", but that crash really did't look as bad as some that people have walked away from unhurt. The racing fans may never know what really happened.

[seawalkersee]

I will gladly bow out of that portion of the discussion. I am sorry to jack it that way. We can finish our conversation over some beers in OKC Shane. :D

Chris

[ThunderDave]

Chris, I don't think Shane drinks, but he may start after you and him talk at the shootout. :eek: I'd like to hear a little more about it as well, but won't be able to make the shootout. :(