I got a ? on a grand prix i need some of your guys advice.

[94SCBird]

alright my friend at school finally blew up his 90 cougar and he bought a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GT Coupe, with the stock 3800 motor, and somewhere somebody told him it has 210 hp? which doesn't make since to me because the ford 89-93 Charged 3.8's have 210 hp, i mean i dont know if he was looking at the GTP ratings or what im not sure what the GTP ratings are so i dont know if he was or not but i just need you guys to clear it up. i did a search and found that it said it was around 195 hp? idk if this is right.

jus help me out guys because im tired of taking all this ~~~~ from all these stockers and think there fwd's are fast, i got enough problems with the ricers in town i dont need domestics givin me trouble. :P

thanks keith

[darkstar_one]

okay okay. explain it all over again.

why are they giving you trouble? And what are you trying to find out again? Think before you type.

What i understood is...

You just want to know there horsepower right?

And you also want to know if you can beat it right?

[99GSXR750]

alright my friend at school finally blew up his 90 cougar and he bought a 1997 Pontiac Grand Prix GT Coupe, with the stock 3800 motor, and somewhere somebody told him it has 210 hp? which doesn't make since to me because the ford 89-93 Charged 3.8's have 210 hp, i mean i dont know if he was looking at the GTP ratings or what im not sure what the GTP ratings are so i dont know if he was or not but i just need you guys to clear it up. i did a search and found that it said it was around 195 hp? idk if this is right.

jus help me out guys because im tired of taking all this ~~~~ from all these stockers and think there fwd's are fast, i got enough problems with the ricers in town i dont need domestics givin me trouble. :P

thanks keith

The Grand Prix GT's had 195-200 or 205 (can't remember exactly) depending on the year. The GTP - 240. Also, the Ford 3.8 and the GM 3.8 are completely different engines. So just because the engines are the same displacement doesn't mean they will produce the same hp.

[1FASTSC]

My 96 N/A camaro with 3800 motor had 200bhp, so I would think it's possible.

[darkstar_one]

brake horsepower is at the flywheel. so it would be less than 200 at the tires. isnt it?

[94SCBird]

i just wanna know if anybody knows the exact HP of the 3800 motors in a GT Coupe, and if i could beat him?

thanks keith

[darkstar_one]

if u killed the GTPs than that GPX is no problem! Pretty obvious. Dont sweat it. Those cars are often mis-treated and are very tired at a young age.

[1FASTSC]

http://www.edmunds.com/used/1997/pontiac/grandprix/362/specs.html


195bhp

[1FASTSC]

BTW, GTP motor is 240bhp.

brake horsepower is at the flywheel. so it would be less than 200 at the tires. isnt it?

Yes, brake horsepower is at the flywheel or numbers spec'd from an engine dyno of some sort, it doesn't always mean less at the wheels because some companies under-rate their engines. LS1's normally put down close to what they have rated at the flywheel.

[darkstar_one]

than that means that there is way less parasitic loss on a LS1 engine then. So how does GM do this?

[1FASTSC]

No, it doesn't mean that at all. It means that they claim 330 when the dyno shows 350 or something to that effect.

[darkstar_one]

ahh u are very wise grasshopper... :rolleyes:

but you can easily kill that GPX. dont even sweat it. Just watch your launch.

[Stewie]

Yeah, 195-200 HP. You should have no problem. And with the GTPOs, remember, they aren't even intercooled from the factory and mine is running 13s with less than 400 in mods :) not bad for a FWD POS............

[darkstar_one]

like i said. you should have no problem beating the GPX. If you want i can show a video of me whooping a 2001 GTP. Video is kinda short but i WIN! :D
Just get them off the line.

[95scfan]

i would be interested in the video when i had my 94 thunderbird lx v8 i got beat by a 2004-2005 gtp it was even off the line and then he got me by about 1/2 of a car so the sc could whoop the gtp even

[Scott Long]

stock for stock a GTP will whip an SC's ~~~. A 5-speed late model SC would be a drivers race, but I think a late model auto would get beat since it has one tire power and will just spin off the line. I like the newer cars, but the autos need trac-lok, what a stupid ford decision. My friends is quick from a roll but from a dead stop just cooks the tire.

A GP GT might be a good race, they are good for mid 15's stock. Your SC will have a torque advantage but he is ligther. Just put 20 bux on it and race him. HP is 200hp flywheel. Not sure on torque.

This post needs less talk and more racing. :D

[Stewie]

Anybody wanna run my BPU GTP ;)

[darkstar_one]

ill run it. aint afriad of no GM. unless its bearing the SS logo or the WS6 logo. and by SS i mean CAMARO thats it. nothing else.

[Stewie]

i would be interested in the video when i had my 94 thunderbird lx v8 i got beat by a 2004-2005 gtp it was even off the line and then he got me by about 1/2 of a car so the sc could whoop the gtp even

Was this a pre 97 GTP? Was the 4.6 stock. my GTP ran 15.0 stock to the filter with a terrible 2.3 60 ft, most are in the 14s, your average 4.6 is what, a 16.1-16.4 second car. Something is up here. Sure it wasn't just a GT? That sounds more like what you raced if it was a 97+. pre 97s had the 3.4 NA and were quite a bit slower than the SCed models and on par with the newer 3.8 NA.

[Stewie]

If only you were closer. What doess your car run? guessing mid 14s or so with those mods?

[95scfan]

if your talking about my 4.6 it was stock and it was a brand new 2004 or 2005 supercharger gtp the girl let the drunk boyfriend drive it and he piled it up in a ditch cuz the lozer followed back to town and i should've blocked him for the turn but he charged ahead and didn't make the t intersection popped a tire and went in and up and almost in a sewage ditch that was drained the week before for the same reason different car

it was a burnt orange, and if i remember right there was something odd with the boost guage like it didn't have one but the earlier models did or something but for sure it was a gtp
p.s. my bone stock lx ran about 15.5 or so maybe better if the conditions were a lil cooler

[Stewie]

Hmmm, in the 04+ GTs and GTPs look basically identical (not that they didn't before LOL) and the bdging is MUCH less nitcable. I mean, even the 04-05s should be 14.8-15./0 second cars. What year was your LX, i find a 94-95 running 15.5 pretty hard to believe, sorry, they were dogs. 96-97 on the other hand could hit 15.5, still slower than a GTP though, just don't think a GTP is going to be easy work for your SC, 97-03s were a bit quicker than the 04-05s. It just isn not even beginning to add up................

[95scfan]

it was a 94lx with the 4.6 sohc nothing special but there was one small thing that i did to the lx i removed the air silencer so nothing special and it said GTP supercharged on the invoice that came with the car brand new with less than 1,000 miles i know what it was and it wasn't all that special but it was a good race and he was all in the throttle for a full 1/4 mile

[Stewie]

like I said, just doesn't sound right, you must have gotten a hell of a jump, of course anything can happen on the street, especially when you have a LX running .5 second quicker than any other LX with the silencer removed..............

[95scfan]

i don't claim to do miricle work i just know how it went down and what i was racing. and the fact that its .5 quicker is paper racing and not actual racing

[Stewie]

Like I said anything can happen on the street, just don't be surprised if you pull up with a GTP in your SC and it beats ya, all i'm saying.....

[95scfan]

if only i could get so lucky i can't find anything to race nobody wants to play with me well i take that back i found a grand prix not even a gt and smoked the pants off it but i need to work on the launch with the 5 speed its the first one i have owned so we'll see about the gtp crisis
but who knows what wil happen i need to do the exhaust before i mod anything else

[Stewie]

Same here, I can't buy a good race. All i have had is a newer (01-04) Mustang GT, kept trying to get him to play, but he wouldn't go until he was a length ahead, no worries though as I quickly pulled past and put a fender on him, then he brakes hard and turns off...............

[lube70]

I have one of the first Wide Track Grand Prix's produced in the USA!!!!

The 3800 V-6 produced 205 HP. This was the rating right from the brochure.

The car is QUICK, but not SC quick. The torque alone will pull you off the line to beat him.


Don

[Scott Long]

Like I said this post needs less talk and more racing.

[darkstar_one]

here is the video ladies.... all my sc had was a cheap ~~~ home made cold air intake! probably robbed me of horses too.. oh yeah and it was leaking oil like whatever... i had no dipstick either.... oh yeah and this was way before my exhaust and my late model supercharger upgrade. stock.

my friend started recording after we took off the line and ended it way to early... dumbass!

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[Stewie]

i'll still run ya :)

[darkstar_one]

sure ya can run me! i aint backing down or trying to scare ya!

[Stewie]

Hell, if we were closer i'd run ya for the hell of it, win or lose, it's dry around here LOL.

[95scfan]

dry eh? like no snow or freezing cold???

[Stewie]

Like nobody wants to race :( i got so desperate i have tried v6 mustangs and no go. my car is down right now waiting for a new pump so i guess it doesn't matter at this time, but she'll be back :) it's funny you mention weather though, instead of being cold it has been in the 50s and 60s with severe thunderstorms and tornados in some parts, ereally wierd form the first of january LOL.

[tim]

Wanta Race? In the spring or bring it to the shootout. I dont even have a fancy blower. Put up the cash!!:D

[Stewie]

hehe, this is my everyday runner, 13s is probably all it will ever see :)

[tim]

I only turn 13.547 should be intersting.:D

[Stewie]

Should be. I am hoping for a 13.6-13.7 with a few simple tricks (no additional mods though).