Whyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[TwoToneThunder]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/1989-Ford-Thunderbird-Pro-Street-Drag-tubbed-cage_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ6783QQitemZ8036925 397QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW



seriously what the h-e double hockey sticks

[CMac89]

I wonder where I can get that hood.

It needs alot of work, but wouldnt be bad to fix up.

[David Neibert]

That is a good example of why I won't get a rollbar installed in my turbo car. Before I knew it, I'd be rolling in something that looked just as hideous.

David

[CMac89]

Since when is a rollbar considered an external cosmetic?

[ThunderDave]

First, looks like it started life as an LX, steering wheel and tail lights. Second, if they changed the front of the car to a newer style, they should have changed the hood also, it doesn't even close completely. The hood scoop looks crooked too.

I'm with you, why????

[19TbirdSC91]

its not sooooo bad, that 9" rear would be nice to have, maybe a nice 460ci under the hood and paint, you would be good to go, would make a nice drag car...right shane?

[David Neibert]

Since when is a rollbar considered an external cosmetic?

I'm not talking about the hood...I like that.

David

[CMac89]

I'm not talking about the hood...I like that.

David
LOL, I was joking about the hood.

[Grims95SC]

.......:eek:
Thanks guys, now I'm going to have nightmares tonight!

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

Dave,

I had a tubbed and caged car before..I went down that road to modification madness on my first mustang. I swore never again. Jungle gyms are for parks and race tracks...Not for a car you want to enjoy on a daily basis

[David Neibert]

Dave,

I had a tubbed and caged car before..I went down that road to modification madness on my first mustang. I swore never again. Jungle gyms are for parks and race tracks...Not for a car you want to enjoy on a daily basis

Finally...someone who understands.

[quick35th]

its not sooooo bad, that 9" rear would be nice to have, maybe a nice 460ci under the hood and paint, you would be good to go, would make a nice drag car...right shane?

Hmmm..... interesting...... (scratches head) :D :D :D

Shane

[TwoToneThunder]

shane nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

[thirdbird]

:D "Reserve Not Met":D
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CMac89]

Hmmm..... interesting...... (scratches head)

Shane
Ford 9in. and 4link to be torn out of POS ebay tbird with a special tool and swapped over to Gary's old car.
[Stares at Shane with Sawzall nonchalantly setting in hands]:cool:

[68COUGAR]

The guy says that the front hubs have been converted to standard Mustang 5 x 4.5" pattern. Then he says that it has PROBE wheels on it??????????? ~~~, last I heard the Probe was FWD. Doesn't that mean that it has a 5 x 4.25" lug pattern? How'd he get 5 x 4.25" wheels on the front 5 x 4.5" hubs? He must be a GD magician!!!!!!!!!!!!!

68COUGAR

[CMac89]

He took a drill press to them. Sweet mod.:D

[19TbirdSC91]

Ford 9in. and 4link to be torn out of POS ebay tbird with a special tool and swapped over to Gary's old car.
[Stares at Shane with Sawzall nonchalantly setting in hands]:cool:

OOOOORRR...in a fox body mustang :rolleyes: ;) :rolleyes: ;)

[quick35th]

OOOOORRR...in a fox body mustang :rolleyes: ;) :rolleyes: ;)

Fox's are better with IRS ;) :D

Shane

[19TbirdSC91]

Fox's are better with IRS ;) :D

Shane

oh they are....and basically complete cobra suspension....mmuucchh better

[mannysc]

I may bid on it hmmm a 460 with a 8/71 and a c6 and wow strip down one of my parts cars and use this and that and still not john temples sc maybe ill just tub mine .

[seawalkersee]

The guy says that the front hubs have been converted to standard Mustang 5 x 4.5" pattern. Then he says that it has PROBE wheels on it??????????? ~~~, last I heard the Probe was FWD. Doesn't that mean that it has a 5 x 4.25" lug pattern? How'd he get 5 x 4.25" wheels on the front 5 x 4.5" hubs? He must be a GD magician!!!!!!!!!!!!!

68COUGAR
Probe and Mustang 5 bolts are the same. So are Rangers and Crown Vics etc. The backspacing is different. I e-mailed the guy to have him send me pix of the rear end. Its not a bad setup and I like the idea of the hood. Sure it needs work and I agree with the streetcar and cage but I still like the idea of NEEDING to have a cage too. I believe it was Mike Siska who said..."I only put the cage in when the roof started to buckle"...

Nice.

Chris

[68COUGAR]

Probe and Mustang 5 bolts are the same. Chris
Seawalkersee, Thank you for setting that straight. I thought all current FWD cars had the SC lug pattern.

Actually I'd like to see this car come to a RACE LIFE!!!!!!!!! Yeah it needs some help. What drag car doesn't?

Could take a cheap LX, Bondo, & pop rivits to create the same SC Drag Car BODY.

NO wireng behind the dash. Sounds like a serious drag car to me!!!!

I don't know why everybody is jumping on this guys case. Sure, it's only an SC in Body. Hell it's more SC, than John Forces Mustang Funny Car is a Mustang!!! Both are Drag Cars.

Hell, if I had Drag Money to spend, I'd buy this car CHEAP, put a CMRE II engine in it, have DD II tune it, & KICK Everybodys ~~~ at SC Shoot Out 2006!!!!!

Wouldn't it be GREAT to have a Full Race SC car at Shoot out 2006?

My POINT is: a DIAMOND in the rough!!!!!!!!!!!!

68COUGAR

"It's better to Dream BIG, than to "bench race" a good idea, into the ground"

[XR7inWI]

Better figure on scrappin that cage and buildin a new one if ya buy that pile. The welds on the roll bar joints look like someone sneezed on there instead of welded it. I doubt that would ever pass a tech inpection, and even if it DID I still wouldn't trust it.

The 4 link and solid rear are really the only thing worth anything on that car.

[68COUGAR]

My Slow-A$$ dial up quit after pic #4.

I still like the idea, but haven't seen any detail pics yet.

68COUGAR

[kuhnga]

All that work and he left the big heavy dash in place:confused:

By his address he lives like 15mins from me:eek:
$500 is not to bad for the parts.

[seawalkersee]

Ahhhh...you could easily fis the welds in that car and make em pass...and strong. He e-mailed me back and told me that the entire rear frame rails have to come out to install the solid axle. He told me to check out the website of S&M (I think) but I dont know if thats a .com or what. I still dont think it would be that bad of a deal...Different wheels and some TLC...blown SBF...stick a glide in the ride and you would be under way.

Chris

[CMac89]

All that work and he left the big heavy dash in place:confused:

By his address he lives like 15mins from me:eek:
$500 is not to bad for the parts.
That's what i mean. You can cut the 4link and the rearend out and you would still have a bargain of around 3K or more.

[kuhnga]

Ahhhh...you could easily fis the welds in that car and make em pass...and strong. He e-mailed me back and told me that the entire rear frame rails have to come out to install the solid axle. He told me to check out the website of S&M (I think) but I dont know if thats a .com or what. I still dont think it would be that bad of a deal...Different wheels and some TLC...blown SBF...stick a glide in the ride and you would be under way.

Chris
I think you are talking about S&Wracecars.

http://www.swracecars.com/

[seawalkersee]

Think you are correct Gary. I did a search and came up with Smith & Wesson. I guess if I had taken out the little & symbol, I would have been okay.

Chris

[fast Ed]

Nice job building the chassis and rear tin, then let it sit out and rust. :rolleyes:

And that scoop kinda looks like the one on Wynn's car at the Shootout last year. :p


cheers
Ed N.

[Bugzturbo]

Y'know, this is why I love the internet. A bunch of people who like to talk smack with nothing to back it up because they know they can't be called on it since the person probably lives 500 miles away. Ya might want to make sure that the person is not one of your own.
Yeah, the car needs some work, and that is MORE than clearly stated in the auction. You show me an unfinished car that looks like a show piece. Most race cars come to this stage in life at some point. You think they go in the shop and come out a week later looking like a million bucks? Dream on. The hood was never finished, and the front of it was never trimmed down to fit the `94-95 bumper (it is the original `89 hood afterall with ALOT of fabrication done). And yes, the welds are kind of sloppy, but they're solid. You guys are bitching like I tried to hide it. It's CLEARLY stated so nobody get the wrong idea. The cage kit and the rear subframe kit alone cost more than what I'm asking for the whole car. I wouldn't even be selling it if my former landlord didn't sell the property my shop was on causing me to close up and move with about 6 weeks notice. It would still be sitting in my garage waiting to be finished otherwise. As for rust, the guy that built it had the same problem. He store it in his bosses race car trailer when he had it, and when his boss sold the trailer, he had no choice but it put it outside. What's the big deal? Isn't that hard to clean it up. Ask any real racer and they'll be able to tell you a similar story about a car they never got to finish. It happens. That's why you hear about guys buying "unfinished" race cars for pennies on the dollar and finishing them. You couldn't duplicate this car for under $5000 unless you could do all the work and welding yourself (and if you can, more power to ya).
So thank you to all the guys who have reasonable responses (Edit by Admin) Oh yeah, and have a nice day :D

Bug

[V8Supercoupe]

Get 'em Bug!:D

[mannysc]

way to go Bug! hey I like it plan on one myself sometime.

ya know you can never please everyone . so why try some are purest some are roundy rounders, some are anal retentive. some are racers and some pro streeters. me im what ever I have at the moment .

but yeah give em hell . me I respect the effert involved in the car. and have had many projects that had to be left out in the weather.

hell my inverted setup sits in my back yard collecting dust and even has some grass growing in it.

[CMac89]

As far as the suspension and frame work goes it is well done and I like that. The statement about modifying the wheels was a joke, as most can see, and it isn't necessary to go childish by insulting. Is it rough on the outside? Yes. Can it be fixed to look good? Yes. What do I or others think of the hood? Well, that is an opinion and anybody has a right to express it regardless of you feelings towards it. My car is cosmetically challenged too and I don't get defensive whenever somebody says something snide about it.

I apologize if I offended you in any way in the least. I fully understand the unfinished situation that the car is in. Good luck.:)

[fast Ed]

Bugz, sorry to hear about the situation with the vehicle storage, that sucks for sure.

Hopefully you find a new home for the car, someone with the resources and ability to complete what you started.


cheers
Ed N.

[seawalkersee]

Bug...relax man...Its not like they challenged the integrity of your shop. Most of the stuff was questions about the wheels and then a joke was made in that guys question, not your auction. I dont think there was anyone here that made BAD coments with the excepton of the one about the welds and the one where someone did not like the hood...Its just an opinion man....RELAXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX....

Chris

[XR7inWI]

OK... My comment about the welds may have came accross the wrong way. I am a welder and I take great pride in my welding skills. SOOOO when I see welds ANYWHERE that don't look perfect I usually comment on it. They just catch my eye I guess. Not only that, tech inspection at some drag strips can get REAL picky and if they see welds that don't look VERY GOOD or almost perfect they will not pass the car. I realize the welds may be more than srong enough. Heck I have seen plenty of welds that LOOK beautiful but were weak as can be and had ZERO penetration. Looks ain't everything when it comes to welds, BUT try to convince some tech inspectors of that.

As for the rest of the car... sure it's a bit rough around the edges, but overall it ain't a bad deal at all considering what it is for the price.

No hard feelings, eh Bugz? I don't think anyone here was making any personal attacks (or at least I HOPE no one was).

[Bugzturbo]

I'm always relaxed. I just wanted to clear up all the BS stabs on the car. I know it's rough, hence the reason it's being sold dirt cheap. I didn't build the car, I bought it this way knowing it needed quite a bit to bring it back to life. I just lost my storage so it has to go. I already have a 5.4L DOHC Navigator motor that was to go in it with a FAST management system and was going to go twin turbo. So it definitely wouldn't be anything to sneeze at.
As for purists, I know all about the "headlight polishers". My other car is an `86 Mustang SVO. You haven't met purists till you've met the SVO crowd. You'd think they had classic Ferraris or something. And since my old one had a 351W and my new one had an 8pt cage and a big block, you can imagine the flak I take from that group. But hey, to each his own. I love a super clean bone stock SVO or SC. But I'm a hot rodder, so that's what I'm going to do. Would I "molest" a super clean "stock" SC? Probabaly, because there was a ton of them made. An SVO? Probabaly not, because they were very limited. I didn't "start" the molestation of my SVO, I just finished it.

Bug

[seawalkersee]

I have a question about the front supports on the car. I can see the support from the firewall to the strut towers. Does it go throught the strut tower or bolt/weld to it. Also, how much stronger would the front of the car be with JUST that bar fron the firewall to the strut tower and then the strut tower to the front of the framerail? Of course then a strut tower brace to bring it all together.

Chris

[XR7inWI]

Would I "molest" a super clean "stock" SC? Probabaly, because there was a ton of them made.
Bug
:confused: :confused: :confused:

[lilredstang]

As for purists, I know all about the "headlight polishers". My other car is an `86 Mustang SVO. You haven't met purists till you've met the SVO crowd. You'd think they had classic Ferraris or something. And since my old one had a 351W and my new one had an 8pt cage and a big block, you can imagine the flak I take from that group.


HE AINT KIDDING!!!! I MADE THE MISTAKE OF TELLING THEM THAT MY MUSTANG WAS A TURBOCHARGED 1990 LX AND NOT AN SVO. I HAVE NEVER SEEN PEOPLE TURN ON SOMEONE THAT FAST. THEY WERE VERRY RUDE AND TOTALY UNHELPFUL... THEN THEY BLOCKED ME FROM THE SITE:eek: THERE WERE ABOUT 10% THAT SEEMED NICE ALMOST AND EAGER TO HELP, AND FOR THE RECORD BUG WAS ONE OF THEM. IF MEMORY SERVES ME RIGHT I EVEN GOT MY RANGER ROLLER CAM FROM HIM:D
ONE THING IS FOR SURE. THE PEOPLE HERE AT SCCOA ARE THE NICEST MOST HELPFUL PEOPLE I HAVE SEEN SO FAR!!!!!!!!:)

[Bugzturbo]

I have a question about the front supports on the car. I can see the support from the firewall to the strut towers. Does it go throught the strut tower or bolt/weld to it. Also, how much stronger would the front of the car be with JUST that bar fron the firewall to the strut tower and then the strut tower to the front of the framerail? Of course then a strut tower brace to bring it all together.

Chris

That bar doesn't go "to" the firewall, it goes "through" the firewall and ties the front framerails and strut towers directly to the roll cage. Unless you had a roll cage to tie it to, it probably wouln't be worth the effort.

Bug

[Bugzturbo]

:confused: :confused: :confused:

As compared to an SVO, yes, a ton. The SC/XR7 production figures are over 76,000 from `89-95, most of which where from `89-92. SVO's had 9844 production in their 3 year span. In comparison, the SC/XR7 outnumbers the SVO 8 to 1.

Bug

[seawalkersee]

Well...I wondered about that but if you look at MOST strut tower braces, you will see that they bolt to the firewall as well. I was just wondering if that was the case or if it DID go to the cage on that...But you cleared that part up.

The STBs I have seen for the birds are mostely just between the two towers. I think they are the same way for the new mustangs too.

Chris

[Bugzturbo]

Well...I wondered about that but if you look at MOST strut tower braces, you will see that they bolt to the firewall as well. I was just wondering if that was the case or if it DID go to the cage on that...But you cleared that part up.

The STBs I have seen for the birds are mostely just between the two towers. I think they are the same way for the new mustangs too.

Chris

Yeah, this isn't a strut tower brace at all. They are the "front subrame supports" of the roll cage. On any car with a cage, they run from the front bars of the interior cage, through the firewall to the front area of the framerails to stiffen the chassis against horizontal flex and twist. On this particular car, the strut towers happened to be in the way, so they had to be incorporated into the bars, which is actually a bonus.

Bug