No sense in worrying about the SRT8

[1QuikV6]

Ok so I was back up on Streetfire looking up SRT8's to see if they are what they claim to be. So find this video of an SRT8 Charger that dyno's 381hp and 380lb/ft... sounds pretty good for a 6.1L eh? Watch what it runs in the quarter... total crap.

http://videos.streetfire.net/search/SRT8/0/9AE75E83-84F4-4060-9791-44FC74A6AFE3.htm

[brandonhgt]

I couldn't get the video to work but over on the Srt-8 forums they look to run very low 13's stock (13.04). One guy with an Srt-8 300 even ran high
12's stock. Considering that every SRT-8 vehicle stock will beat my buddies new Mustang GT (Auto), they are good enough for me!

[1QuikV6]

The SRT8 in the vid runs a 14.52. Yet a stock GT 5 speed runs a 13.9

[JStudrawa]

The SRT8 in the vid runs a 14.52. Yet a stock GT 5 speed runs a 13.9

Anomaly. He was probably idling all the way.

[1QuikV6]

Kinda hard to screw up an automatic badly enough to come in half a second off :rolleyes: :rolleyes: Hot looking ride though.

[JStudrawa]

Yeah, I saw a multi-colored Charger this weekend. Had to have been custom paint, white and burnt orange half/half, top/bottom. Sharp.

My folks just bought an STS this weekend, with the V8 and AWD. Can't wait to give that a go with the Cougar. Should get my ~~~ reamed.

Funniest thing is that my father used to state that anyone buying a car over $20k was an absolute idiot. Boy, people change with age!

[brandonhgt]

Something is definitely messed up with that, must have had a brick wedged under their accelerator!

[David Neibert]

Elevation...elevation...elevation.

Everything is slower at high evevation/altitude because the air is thinner. The dyno has a correction factor, but the timing lights at the track don't.

David

[acb92sc]

I Work At A Dodge Dealer, And Was The First One To Grab The Keys Of The First Srt8 Charger Delivered Here. I Have Driven A Z06, Vipers, Mustangs, Camaros, Etc, And Can Personally Attest That This One Was An Easy High 12's Car. We Put A Cai, Throttle Body Spacer, And Borla Cat Back On One And It Put Down 420 Hp To The Wheels. Lots Of Potential.

[1QuikV6]

Still a Dodge and still an E class platform. At least we can maintain power at high elevations. And so will the new Cobra thats going to show that SRT where to put it. Its simple with Dodges.. Either you gotta dodge em or ram em :D

[David Neibert]

I'm still trying to convince my wife to trade her GTP in on a black SRT8 Charger, like the one in the video. I think they are very cool looking cars, for older folks like me.

David

[acb92sc]

Anything That Isnt Naturally Aspirated Will Maintain Power At High Elevation- Our Motors Dont Require Atmospheric Pressure For Charge Air Density. Now Just Think If You Boosted This 6.1l, What Would Happen Then? The Cobra (which Isnt A Cobra, Its A Shelby Gt500 For You Technical Folks) Would Run Scared Then, Too. When Youre Comparing Apples And Oranges, Theres Always Going To Be Two Sides To The Story. Dont Get Me Wrong- I Bleed Ford Blue As Much As The Next Guy, Mopar Just Signs My Checks. I Just Know To Give Respect When Due. Charlie Daniels Said It Best... Give The Devil (srt8) Its Due.

[1QuikV6]

Ill give it its due when it takes a german car... like the comparable E55 AMG or the RS6. its got 4 doors, it should run like one.

[acb92sc]

Well, Considering The Rs6 Is Only A High 13 Second Car At Best, And The E55 Is, Again, Supercharged, I Guess It Hangs Allright, Beating One And Only A Half Second Behind The Other. Oh, And I Can Take My Extra $30 Grand And Buy A Winter Beater, Too.

[Conan56]

I sense a Dodge hater here

Im a huge Ford Fan myself but Unless you are Blind it is Quite clear that Dodge has taken over the American car market easily.

Their Trucks are arguably the best out

Their Luxury car (300c) Is the best selling *American* Luxury car
And The most powerful.
You simply cant compare a Supercharged 2dr Sports car (Cobra)
to a 4dr Luxoliner/sport tourer such as the Charger or the 300c
Like previously stated comparing the 2 is like comparing apples to oranges


Wait till Dodge produces the new Challenger then they will overtake the American sports car market

Its time to give credit where credit is Due Dodge has risen from the grave it was in during the Mid eightys and Now sells some of the most competitive cars in America

[442guy]

I'm sure with a CAI cat back system and a magna or Paxton type SC these SRT8's will be putting over 500hp to the rear wheels They are a HEAVY car, but have a good tranny (mercedes) wait till the tuners start messing with them a Hennesey SRT8 charger will certainly be badazz.
There is no replacement for displacement, and the flow on those HEMI heads is very good and will support quite a bit more power.

[acb92sc]

I'm sure with a CAI cat back system and a magna or Paxton type SC these SRT8's will be putting over 500hp to the rear wheels They are a HEAVY car, but have a good tranny (mercedes) wait till the tuners start messing with them a Hennesey SRT8 charger will certainly be badazz.
There is no replacement for displacement, and the flow on those HEMI heads is very good and will support quite a bit more power.

THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING..............
http://www.gsmotorsports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SRT-61001-MAG&Category_Code=MAGNUM61SRTSC

[442guy]

Thanks for that linky, and thats only 6lbs of boost:eek:
That would probably be very drivable till ya hit the go pedal now all they need is a 6 speed manual conversion....

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

Wait till Dodge produces the new Challenger then they will overtake the American sports car market

Sporty car as in Vette Ford GT and Viper?

Or are we talking stang....Pony cars...

[acb92sc]

Sporty car as in Vette Ford GT and Viper?

Or are we talking stang....Pony cars...
OBVIOUSLY NOT W/ THE VIPER/VETTE/GT... THEY ALREADY ARE IN THAT MARKET. BUT WITH THE VIPER CLOSE TO THE TOP IN THAT MARKET, AND THE CHARGER/CHALLENGER BEING THE CREME DE LA CREME (IF PRODUCED AS CONCEPT IS), THEY HAVE THE CORNER ON THE SPORTS MARKET AS A WHOLE. THROW IN THE CROSSFIRE SRT6 AND CALIBER SRT4 (300+HP AND 300, RESPECTIVELY), AND ITS ONE LINEUP NOONE CAN COMPARE TO.

[tim]

I have been a Ford fan all my life. My first new car was a 1966 Mustang convertible. Ok so Iam old. Hands down Dodge has the cars. I love the new Hemis. Iam still thinking about buying one. I drove the rt with 350 hp. and it was plenty for the street. srt8 is a more powerful car but a lot more money. I cant swing one. Other than the Mustang Ford has nothing. Its sad but true.:eek:

[mannysc]

i drove a srt8 they have 425hp and turn 13 flat and gooduns turn 12s stock

a plain jane hemi can turn 14 flat but most do mid 14s do to bad drivers there is a trick to launching a hemi car they have traction control you have to know how to turn it off or it wont even chirp the tires.off the line and the drive by wire needs to be peeded up .

[thundrburd]

Im a huge Ford Fan myself but Unless you are Blind it is Quite clear that Dodge has taken over the American car market easily.

Their Trucks are arguably the best out


I would argue that there trucks are not the best out, they cant even compare to the new ford F-150's, and they never will, there is nothing better than a ford truck, they are by far the best

[Phillio99]

Weren't there mountains in the background of that race track and the corvette only turned a 14.07, looks like a high elevation track.
Phil

[1QuikV6]

Ford has the Mustang and the F150. Trust me... Dodge will have its day of reckoning when that Lightning shows up and dont forget the new Linc coming out. Mopar is headed south and Chevy and Ford will be putting the nails in the coffin my friend. And if not that then The folks in Japan will school all three. Domestics are a dying breed. We dont need 500hp sedans. Not in a world of $3.25 gas. At this point Im interested in the asians making 300hp from a Civic Hybrid and not affecting gas mileage. 300hp and 50mpg sounds good to me. Chevy has a hybrid truck.... that still barely gets 20mpg... The only hope America has for a hybrid right now is the Escape Hybrid.

[BT Motorsports]

THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING..............
http://www.gsmotorsports.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=SRT-61001-MAG&Category_Code=MAGNUM61SRTSC
I cannot agree, I ran into one of those supercharged Magnums while in a CTS-V a week ago and there was certainly no schooling from the Magnum. While a quicker car than the CTS-V, it sure didnt act 500RWHP quick. From 35-80 we were nearly even.

Paul

[acb92sc]

I cannot agree, I ran into one of those supercharged Magnums while in a CTS-V a week ago and there was certainly no schooling from the Magnum. While a quicker car than the CTS-V, it sure didnt act 500RWHP quick. From 35-80 we were nearly even.

Paul
WAS IT A SUPERCHARGED MAGNUM, OR A SUPERCHARGED SRT8 MAGNUM? JUST A LITTLE DIFFERENCE THERE.

AND WHEN IT COMES TO "FORD AND CHEVY NAILING THE COFFIN CLOSED ONMOPAR", WHERE? A 300HP MUSTANG, NO SVT PROGRAM( READ LIGHTNING= DEAD), A DYING GTO, AND 2 OVERPRICED CADILLACS? AGAIN, I'LL BUY MY SRT8 AND STILL HAVE CASH LEFT TO BUY MY WINTER VEHICLE. I LOVE FORD, BUT THEY HAVE TO GET WITH IT.
AND WHILE IM THE FIRST TO ADMIRE THE IMPORT/ EURO OFFERINGS FOR THEIR PERFORMANCE, ILL STILL BE THE LAST TO BUY ANYTHING NOT MADE BY THE BIG TWO (GM IS USELESS IN MY MIND).


BOY DO I EVER LOVE SCHOOL PLAYGROUND TYPE ARGUMENTS!

[442guy]

I cannot agree, I ran into one of those supercharged Magnums while in a CTS-V a week ago and there was certainly no schooling from the Magnum. While a quicker car than the CTS-V, it sure didnt act 500RWHP quick. From 35-80 we were nearly even.

Paul
was it an SRT8 magnum with a blower, or a hemi magnum with a blower big difference like 75 HP at the starting point.

[BT Motorsports]

was it an SRT8 magnum with a blower, or a hemi magnum with a blower big difference like 75 HP at the starting point.
Unless someone added SRT badging to a non SRT car (it wouldn't be the first time obviously), then yes, it was an SRT. This "encounter" happened (on Imperial Hwy near Harbor Blvd for those of you who are familiar with the area) about a quarter mile from J&S's shop.

Regardless of its performance on the dyno, I would be weary of spending $6k or $7k (on top of $40k for the car) to have a car which that will end up with air/fuel ratio issues at high RPM as a result of such an installation. Until someone unlocks the chrysler computer, I don't see how reliable 500 RWHP performance can be sustained (nitrous excluded). Personally, I hope someone does so soon as I am considering a 300C SRT-8 myself.

Paul

[Tbirdsc Colonel]

I cant wait to see what kenny belle's blower does for that motor, He is in the works of making the blowzilla 2.2L twin screw for the srt8

[1QuikV6]

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/shelby_cobra_gt_7.jpg

If a tuned 390hp Cobra can make 5-600hp with bolt ons then I cant wait to see what happens when guys get hold of the Cobra. 500hp and 475lbft stock. I dont see the Chrysler SRT8 sticking to that. Those are heavy cars and SVT has dont everything to lighten the GT500. Ford has seen what the other two have been doing and theyre learning from them.

[brandonhgt]

I thought I read somewhere that the new shelby (or whatever their calling it) will be 3800lbs or more? I am a big ford fan and I love Mustangs (was pissed when mom sold her 99 Cobra vert) but I dont think Ford even comes close to Chrysler or GM when it comes to an overall line of performance vehicles. I've ridden in an 05 Mustang GT and 300c, they are not even in the same class when it comes to ride and amenities. It is great that Ford has 500hp out of their new stang but I won't take away from other companies that get 400+ from an N/A motor.

Personally, if I had to choose from any big three sports car, it would be the new Z06. Sadly, I doubt Ford will ever come up with a comparatively priced competitor to the vette. Hopefully the new stang comes close, but I have a feeling the Z06 will beat it in speed and handling.

I think we can all agree that there are some awesome choices on the market today. I never thought I would see 400 to 500hp stock in a car costing between 40 and 50 thousand, it really sucks that I am a poor bastard! :D

[1QuikV6]

go to streetfire.net and watch Top Gear's take on the new Z06. They call it a track car and a car that would drive them insane if they had to drive it every day. Its loud, rough riding, horrible on gas, sucky sound system, horrible seats, horrible gearbox for a street car.

The Cobra still has a smooth ride, awesome sound system, and very good road manners. What we need is a Thunderbird like the old days when the vette and the bird we direct competition.. We need a big modular powered Thunderbird.

[91supacoop]

Anything That Isnt Naturally Aspirated Will Maintain Power At High Elevation- Our Motors Dont Require Atmospheric Pressure For Charge Air Density. Now Just Think If You Boosted This 6.1l, What Would Happen Then? The Cobra (which Isnt A Cobra, Its A Shelby Gt500 For You Technical Folks) Would Run Scared Then, Too. When Youre Comparing Apples And Oranges, Theres Always Going To Be Two Sides To The Story. Dont Get Me Wrong- I Bleed Ford Blue As Much As The Next Guy, Mopar Just Signs My Checks. I Just Know To Give Respect When Due. Charlie Daniels Said It Best... Give The Devil (srt8) Its Due.
why must you capitalize the first letter of EVERY word, doesn't that take some time?

[Scott Long]

An RS6 is more than a high 13 second car trust me. If you can get it to launch and shift it yourself, you can get low 13's out of it easily. If it was a manual you could touch 12's. A chip and exhaust put it in the mid 12's.

As for dodge SRT-8's are sweet cars (both Charger and 300)

Ford engines suck without boost. The modular N/A is only 300 hp. The 4.6L DOHC 32v was only 320 hp. LS2 is 400 hp stock and pushrod. Z06 is 505 hp from a pushrod 7.0L LS7. New GT500 is going to be around 475hp from a blown 5.4L? Weak sauce. Sure its a nice car, but c'mon its a little weak. Should have been 600 hp from the get go. Without boost Ford Modulars are turds.

The Z06 will ~~~~ the GT500 out like a wet burrito. The Z06 is so much lighter and better power to weight. Stock ones run 11.7-11.9 and the GT500 will be a 12.3-12.5 car.

[acb92sc]

why must you capitalize the first letter of EVERY word, doesn't that take some time?
MY COMPUTER AT WORK IS PERMANENTLY SET IN CAPS, AND WHEN YOU POST, IT AUTOMATICALLY SETS WORDS LIKE THAT. NOTHING I CAN DO....

[mannysc]

http://www.jalopnik.com/cars/images/shelby_cobra_gt_7.jpg

If a tuned 390hp Cobra can make 5-600hp with bolt ons then I cant wait to see what happens when guys get hold of the Cobra. 500hp and 475lbft stock. I dont see the Chrysler SRT8 sticking to that. Those are heavy cars and SVT has dont everything to lighten the GT500. Ford has seen what the other two have been doing and theyre learning from them.
the hemi engine can pass it in hp witht he right parts but a cobra vs a 300 hmm can you put 5 persons in a cobra with comfort?

can the cobra tow a trailer? the 300 can

can the cobra roll up the windows and have a qiuet ride.

the 300 and charger are road cars like the sc was not drag cars but they do a great job of both . now the challenger when it comes out is going to be a drag oriented car more than a highway car though it is said to do both very well. me ive had my fill or drag cars . they run great straight line but lack in stopping and cornering aka the GNX great drag car and handled good but a sc could show it the way home in the corners .

but 1/4 mile sc is dust. as was any car in its day.

we are comparing apples and oranges here both are sweet but both different,

depends on what you want at the moment me I dont like chevys as much as mopars,

I like fords even less than chevys but i love my sc sorry im a mopar man for 38 yrs,

ive owned most from all 4 makers

amc I had a 69 amx 390 4 spd

chevy ive had a
70 ss
396 chevelle
454 ls5 chevelle
70 ls6 chevelle
a 70 ss 454 monte carlo " a real fun car I loved alot"

a 67 ss 396 camaro my highschool car
a 68 camaro ss 396 " 350 hp"

a 70 nova pro streeter,

and dodge
a 69 dart with 440 bored stroked to 499 cid via a 4;15 crank stroke
with stage V hemi head conversion .
a 71 charger se 440-6 with functional ram charger hood

a 71 charger rt 383
a 70 challenger rt 383
plum crazy

a 71 demon with a 360 crate engine 385 hp

a 70 340 duster 4 spd
a 69 coronet 500 383

a few others

even a 427 squeezed into a vega . it was a flop body would twist even with rollcage.

but yeah all have been good cars in their own designed useage.

a vette is not competition for a srt8 not same class of car.
a mustang is not same class of car .

the GT is not same class of car as a vette or viper . all are different markets.

closest we ever had was mustang camaro challenger of 70s
the newer mustangs were always smaller than the camaros so not a good comparision a mustang vs a GNX would be a closer match.

of chevys cars a monte carlo would be a closer match size wize for a charger.

enuff ive rambled on enuff forgot what the post was about sorry ,

no coffe and hungry as heck .

[BIRDPLUCKER]

Elevation...elevation...elevation.

Everything is slower at high evevation/altitude because the air is thinner. The dyno has a correction factor, but the timing lights at the track don't.

David

Indeed, This car runs at Albuquerque national dragway, I have seen it run many times. His Best was a 14.1 @99.xx Mph. Elevation owns us, our track is at 5300 ft, It is not uncommon for our DA to reach 9000 FT. With all that been said, the car is in California right now getting supercharged and many other bolt on goodies.
:)

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

The Z06 will ~~~~ the GT500 out like a wet burrito. The Z06 is so much lighter and better power to weight. Stock ones run 11.7-11.9 and the GT500 will be a 12.3-12.5 car.

Besides not agreeing with much of what you said we shall see.

The official HP rating as of January of this year has been 500 according to SAE starndard testing measurements,,Rumours of mid 11's have been circulating but I have also read low 13's?? Most articles however are 4 months old before they are even published.

Calling the 4.6 a turd..I'd hardly say that. Ford knows what they are doing in the engine department. You want to talk power curves?..N/A zo6 or or SC gt500? No comparison. Modification potential?..Again no comparison. And apples and oranges

What we are really talking about however is the the Dodges. Time will tell how well these cars fair. They are great performers for what they are. A good majority of street cars out there will indeed have to watch out for them. How will they be in 5 years?....Hopefully better made then the K car. They are however doing it again...One platform for the most part hosting a multitude of vehicles. Sounds efficient to me

I would really like to see a challenger...a camaro...a....

Because Ford is producing the gt500 without any competition whatsoever. Just imagine the HP wars if those two cars are released...Its only a matter of time.

[tim]

I guess Iam cheap. In fact I know I am. I can buy a Dodge charger RT. 350 hp. hemi with the really nice interior good sound system great ride for $27000 you guys are trying to compare these cars to mustangs? Platform wise itss closer to a mercury Grand Marquis or a Ford Crown Victoria. Let compare apples to apples and throwing a Corvette is the Mix? I wish Ford would come out with a 350 hp. Crow Vic with the features the Dodge has. Will they no! Even the little Chevy Impala v8 is a cool car for thr money at about $2700. What can I buy new from ford for that kind of money? Lets get real guys.

[acb92sc]

I wish Ford would come out with a 350 hp. Crow Vic with the features the Dodge has. Will they no!
THEY TRIED THAT WITH THE MAURADER- 305HP, REDESIGNED FASCIAS, INTERIOR, ETC, FOR ALITTLE OVER $30K, AND THAT DIDNT SELL. THE CROWN VIC CHASSIS IS TOO OLD FOR THAT NOW. THEY NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS...
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/07/09/the-australian-ford-fpv-mkii-gt-p/

BUT REMEMBER, WE CAN ALL SAY CAR COMPANIES SHOULD DO THIS AND THAT, BUT THE PEOPLE SPENDING THE MONEY ARE THE ONES WHO THEY LISTEN TOO IN THE END-- BY BUYING THE CARS. LOOK AT THE GTO- DISCONTINUED SOON. THE MAURADER AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. I COULD GO ON....

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

LOOK AT THE GTO- DISCONTINUED SOON

I predicted that when it first came out.

The Marauder is a great car..JD power and associates pick. I think it was a marketing issue. Seriously if you ever driven one youd think it was a sweet car.

The truth is Dodge has the full/midsize American sport sedan in the pocket

Ford has American ponycar/exotic car market in thier pocket.

While both Chevy and Dodge share the American sports car titles.

Will Ford ever build a Vette competitor?...Probably not..No money in it.

Will Dodge and Chevy build pony cars..Eventually

Will Ford or Chevy build mid/full size rear wheel drive sports sedans. I just dont know..They already did..And they are gone

[merkur]

It is the elevation guys. That track is in Albuquerque, and you can bet that at 5300 ft it takes at least a full second of his time from sea level. Elevation makes a huge difference to boosted cars as well. The turbo or SC has to spin much faster to make the same boost, and that creates heat, slower spooling time, excess fuel on the bottom, and not enough on the top. My GN lost an easy .9 sec from seattle to ABQ. One other thing. I have seen the dyno at the Dyno Edge in ABQ. be a little generous on those hp correction numbers. So now I live at 7000 ft. WoooHooo!
Later...Danny

[David Neibert]

THEY TRIED THAT WITH THE MAURADER- 305HP, REDESIGNED FASCIAS, INTERIOR, ETC, FOR ALITTLE OVER $30K, AND THAT DIDNT SELL. THE CROWN VIC CHASSIS IS TOO OLD FOR THAT NOW. THEY NEED SOMETHING LIKE THIS...
http://www.autoblog.com/2005/07/09/the-australian-ford-fpv-mkii-gt-p/

BUT REMEMBER, WE CAN ALL SAY CAR COMPANIES SHOULD DO THIS AND THAT, BUT THE PEOPLE SPENDING THE MONEY ARE THE ONES WHO THEY LISTEN TOO IN THE END-- BY BUYING THE CARS. LOOK AT THE GTO- DISCONTINUED SOON. THE MAURADER AS PREVIOUSLY MENTIONED. I COULD GO ON....

The Maruader would have sold great if they put the 03/04 supercharged cobra motor under the hood. As sold it would barely chirp the tires and was detuned so much from Ford to avoid the gas guzzler tax, it would barely get out of it's own way.

Word got around real fast that it was an underpowered dog....and that was the beginning of the end.

The GTO isn't selling for one reason...Styling.

David

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

One other thing on the Marauder. It was way undertuned. My Buddies car is making over 300rwhp with only pulleys a K&N and mufflers along with an SCT TUNE. Still has factory cats and manifolds which are suppossedly very restrictive

[1QuikV6]

I dont care if a 300C can outrun a Marauder, it still looks like those old chrysler cars. Those %$# ugly ones.

I'll drive a Pinto before I drive a Chrysler.

[mannysc]

i love the 300 aqnd ill sell ya a 75 v6 pinto just to keep you outta the 300.

:D :D :D :) :p its got a 4 bble headers cam and does some respectable high 13s in the 1/4 want $2500 for it

[1QuikV6]

Mmm no thanks.. Ill continue whipping some Chryslers with my S4

Not to mention I get like double the gas mileage of an SRT8 hahaha And best of all I dont have that butt ugly egg crate grille.

[tim]

Dave is right on the mercury. We can all keep talking smack about Chrysler but when Ford is going broke and Chrysler is going strong then what?

[1QuikV6]

Car companies ave their ups and downs and as long as Ford has the #1 truck for nearly THIRTY years I dont see Ford going anywhere soon. Chrysler will have its day of reckoning just like the other two are having now.


Fusion anyone? I definitely like them and with 28mpg coming from a 221hp V6 I wont argue. meanwhile your 300C is passing everything but a gas station. have fun. Ill keep my money in my pocket and out of the pockets of the oil companies.

[tim]

I think you are missing the whole point. The Auto industry is dynamic. It is always changing and evolving. Companies that cant or wont change are going to be gone. Ford cant keep going on pickups and the fusion. I would love to buy a new car but nothing out there really grabs me. Except the chrysler line. Its not just the Charger they have a whole line of really nice cars. Chryslers time did come, remember the K car? What happened to the Oldsmobile and the Plymouth? What are we going to loose next. Pontiac or Buick? Iam an old school American car guy and Chrysler is the only American company out there at least trying. Dave is right the GTO could have been a great car. The price was even right but it was ugly. Instead of giving us a car with some style we got another just the same mobile.:(

[1QuikV6]

Well maybe thats why I have an SC in one stall and an Audi in the other. When all else fails and if Ford does go down... I'll just stick to the Germans.

One way or another, even Chrysler, will bit the bit just like the other two are heading without some major restructuring... their focus on gas mileage is ridiculously oblivious. At least Ford and Chevy are making fuel conscious cars. Chrysler made a one hit wonder with the 300C/Charger/Magnum and other than that... they dont have jack.

[Scott Long]

The Z06 isn't a "no power curve" motor. Its going to be lighter than the GT500 and I would bet $10.00 that it will spank the GT500 in a drag race.

I bleed Ford blue, but c'mon Ford engines without boost are weak. The 4.6L 2-valve is 260 hp, the 3-valve is 300 hp, and the 4-valve is 320 hp. Chevy was getting 305 hp out of an LS1 and with ram air and exhaust was at 330 hp, and those cars put down nearly the rated hp at the wheels. LS2 is 400 hp, SUPERCHARGED 4 Valve 4.6L is 390 hp. LS7 is 505 hp, Supercharged 5.4L is 475 hp.

What happens when you put a blower on the LS7? 600, 700 hp. Sure the GT500 will be easy to upgrade as its only rated at 8 psi from the factory, but the car is still heavier. The LS7 is a 7.0L 427 c.i. engine, so apples to apples, boost to boost, at the same pressure the LS7 will own the 5.4L. There's no replacement for displacement.

I love the Audi's, and Marauders, and GN's, and Impala SS (96). One of those will be my next car, or maybe a 2-valve GT w/ hp twin turbo. I will probably go with the GT or the Maurader, because like I said, I bleed Ford blue. I think the GT more and more.....

But even GT vs. same year Z28, the chevy owns stock for stock.

[1QuikV6]

For engines without boost are weak.... Hmm I dont think 300hp is bad from a 4.6L. Chevy needs at least another liter to get going. One day they'll get smart and go modular. Pushrods are going by the wayside.

[1QuikV6]

Who cares whats N/A or not? Id rather be blown... about 840 to be exact and for about the same price as a Z06.
http://www.leftlanenews.com/2006/05/17/tuner-builds-840-horsepower-mustang/#more-2734
http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-images/media/3-may17-mustang.jpg
http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-images/media/1-may17-mustang.jpg
http://www.leftlanenews.com/wp-images/media/5-may17-mustang.jpg

Lets face it guys. We drive cars with blue ovals on the trunk. Why crank on Chrysler?

[mannysc]

I like em all but hey ill drive anything that has power .

bet the ls7 sucks up gas and a ls7 is a pretty wild engine the supercharged cars only need to be over driven and intercooled to make more power the 5.4 is very tame its not even anywhere near its full potential.

and its torque is awesome thru out the rpm range

[1QuikV6]

At least you can get halfway decent gas mileage and streetability with a smaller displacement supercharged modular engine. Superchargers are like displacement on demand and its there when you need it and gone when you dont.

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

What happens when you put a blower on the LS7?

A lot of broken peices. Ford builds a gt500 that can be driven everyday nice and mellow. The zo6 is more of a race car. Loud noisy rough and uncomfortable. The zo6 may just spank the gt500 but at a lot more beans. Different class of cars but we can compare regardless.

As I said earlier....Buy some pulleys for both cars..Full exhaust..And a tune..... No comparison as to who will come ahead..Both in performance and price.

I am not even arguing that the zo6 motor rocks..But in reality its a race motor in a car that does a poor time pretending to be a street car.

ls1 ls2 what?....Didnt save the camaro now did it?..Meanwhile that poor weak kneed 4.6 keeps rolling along...Must be something?......

Dare I even say the blown 5.4 is a refined engine?...With the new mustang a refined vehicle?

Whatever the case may be I cant believe anyone would say 300hp is weak.... Reality has been blown out the window quite recently..

Ford can easily get 600hp out of a 4.6 DOHC engine...Heck I know someone that has one...But you know what...Its kind of like driving that z06 vette..But still a bit more refined:O)

I'm really just waiting for the all out ponycar war...:O)

[1QuikV6]

My words exactly Damon. If you want a hardcore race car with plates then get the Z06. The ZO6 is , meant to be a second car, a fun car, weekend cruiser and drag race bruiser. The GT500 is supposed to serve two roles... comfortable commuter and weekend muscle. Its a canvas for an owner to tune and make his own. Not much left to do to a hardcore ZO6. The Mustang was always meant to be the car for everyone. The car your mom could go to the salon in and for your dad to go hot rodding with. I dont see 40 year old moms driving a ZO6 with her 5 year old in the rear seat. Oh wait... they dont have a rear seat.


Point being... If you want a fun weekend car... get the ZO6 and a chiropractor

If you want a car to serve as your daily driver yet still romp all over some formidable opponents while sitting in total comfort and thumping a 1000 watt sound system get the GT500. And if you really want to go after the ZO6... swap some pulleys, open the exhaust, do a tune, and get your roll on white boy :D

[1FASTSC]

i didn't read the whole message because I don't have time, but I'm hoping someone else noticed that the video looks like it's from Colorado, which would explain the crappy times. Elevation is a motha.

[1QuikV6]

Not for us. Isn't forced induction a wonderful thing?:D :rolleyes:

[DamonSlowpokeBaumann]

Not for us. Isn't forced induction a wonderful thing?:D :rolleyes:

Or a supercharged 4.6 or 5.4!!!!

[1QuikV6]

Or a supercharged 4.6 or 5.4!!!!

Hence the GT500 and the last generation Cobra

Rumor has it there will be an SVT Fusion with a supercharger as well as an Edge.

Then again rumor also has it that SVT will assume the name of Ford Racing

[1QuikV6]

Hate to admit this but This may prove how taunt the ZO6 is paired to its rough riding hardcore racer with street tires blue oval competition. Only $100,000 difference :rolleyes:
http://videos.streetfire.net/video/FCD20ABF-DC8D-49DE-A946-BECE142531CB.htm

[Scott Long]

You know what, I'd rather get a GT500. Now that I think about it, 475 hp from a 5.4L is a lot more credible than 505 hp from a much bigger 7.0L. Hell Chevy's 6.0L is only 400 hp and the Ford SC 5.4L is 475. So yeah I like the Fords better, plus the way they are building bulletproof forged motors from the factory and they leave very conservative tunes and low boost that just wait for us gear heads to crank up the boost, add some fuel, tune it, change the gears, upgrade the exhaust, and throw some et streets on the back.

Oh and I saw the Livernois black GT in Motor Trend, too bad it broke, but its a bad ~~~ car. That one looks sweet. I still like the 99-04 style the best though.

[95badbird]

but c'mon Ford engines without boost are weak.
huh?
my 351W will, and can put out easily over 500 hp without boost.

[Scott Long]

And my 460 will put down 700 hp. I'm talking about the engines as they come off the assembly line. Show me a 351 that puts out 500+ hp when it came off the ford line. Cleveland wasn't that stout, windsor no way in hell.

[95badbird]

And my 460 will put down 700 hp. I'm talking about the engines as they come off the assembly line. Show me a 351 that puts out 500+ hp when it came off the ford line. Cleveland wasn't that stout, windsor no way in hell.
didn't say there was.

I guess I was reading into it to much:rolleyes:

[tim]

Hey Scott are you still comming tomorrow?

[Scott Long]

Tim I was thinking next weekend, I have a ton of stuff to do tomorrow. I should have posted the date on my reply to you but I meant next sunday not this sunday. How is next sunday for ya?

[1QuikV6]

Are we forgetting the 1970 Boss 302? Thats far from weak. Or the Fox Body Five O's? How were they weak? Ford put the 302 on the map. Not to mention the 427 or the 460. Dare I mention the 427 side oiler that went in the 427 Cobra? Lets see a vette run with Carrolls play toy. Yeah, didnt think so. Tell Shelby that his N/A engines are weak :rolleyes:

[tim]

Works for me give me a call.:D

[Scott Long]

Fox Body 5.0L 225 hp 275 lb. ft. HAAHAHAHAH yeah and I've seen them running high 15's low 16's from the factory. Real muscle car there.....

Thank god they have an amazing aftermarket full of intakes and heads and stroker kits, etc... For about $1500 you can put a stock fox into the 12's, if you shop wisely and can turn your own wrenches. Not impressive from the factory.

The 460 was a boat anchor. It was a torque motor that deliverred a lot of pulling power at relatively low RPM. It wasn't a high HP motor. Now you can build them to very high numbers with better heads, intake, carb, and high compression pistons.

Any engine can be built strong. Not all of them came from the factory maxxed out. Thats all I'm saying. Chevy's seem to come out with more, but the Ford engines are easily upgraded. In the end it all comes down to which your prefer. I like Ford. Some like Chevy. How much money do you have to build an engine? Thats the bottom line.

[1QuikV6]

My stock 01 S4 stock- 92.592hp/liter
SRT8- 69.672hp/liter
last year of the N/A Cobra- 69.57
05 Mustang GT- 65.2173hp/liter
fox 5.0- 45hp/liter

Hell even a Civic Si makes more hp per liter than your SRT8 at 98.5hp/liter. So how do you measure a "strong" engine? Hp per liter is the method of choice. So essentially a stock Mustang GT makes only 4hp/liter less than your hotrod SRT8. Wooptie Doo.

We can bring the Germans into this if you like. A 06 Audi S4 makes 395hp N/A from its 4.2L V8 developing 94.04hp/liter.

Your SRT8 doesnt seem to stack up well since its over 20hp/liter off from a small 4.2L V8 and 30hp off from a puny 2.0L Honda. Whats strong now? Show me a stock 610hp SRT8.:rolleyes:

[1QuikV6]

GT500 makes 92.59hp/liter btw. Weak engine right? Formula 1 cars make 100hp/liter... a Mini Cooper S, Honda S2000, and even the Beetle Turbo make 100hp/liter as well.

[Scott Long]

Yeah strong for its size, but still the honda is weak in the grand scheme of things and the SRT-8 would rape it in a race or pull off.

Our SC's are like 55.26hp/liter stock.

[1QuikV6]

Im not talking the cars. Im talking about the engines. He said Ford engines are weak. I just proved that they arent. strength is commonly measured hp/liter and looks like even my S4 which is probably just a low 14s car is 20-30% stronger in relation to displacement and sae output. Keep in mind an SRT8 would likely put a car length or two on my S4... unless a corner is involved.:rolleyes: