Caught my boy in a Toyota today, how should I handle this?

[sizemoremk]

We went down the road to Arab Alabama to get my new air compressor I won off Ebay, and the folks I got it from was a shop that raced a toyota for "Clabber Girl" baking soda a couple years back. The dad built the car and the lady (Wendy Hicks) drove it Not sure what class it was, but it was the class right under the truck series is what she said...

It was all pretty impressive, however I still can't fully approve of my son sitting in the drivers seat of a toe-yoda

Anyways, they said it was 2 years ago when toyota was beginning to get involved, NASCAR allowed an overhead cam motor for only one season, then they went back to no overhead cam engines...

She said they run those motors faster, like 10-12K RPMs! Craziness!!!!!!

The lady seemed really cool, I told my wife she needs to watch her arse, cuz now she has some competition:D :eek:


Anyhow, figured I share this...

[mikeceli]

Rent a copy of the ORIGINAL movie, "Pearl Harbor" and watch it with him.

Not to hate the japenese, but why buy THIER cars, when OURS are better.

Keep American dollars in America!

[CougarXR/7]

REAL Americans buy American Cars.

[ThunderDave]

Keep American dollars in America! I'm more worried about the $$$ going to Mexico instead of Japan for a car. :eek:

[rickbtbird]

Better hope he's not eating sushi too.

[Scott Long]

REAL Americans buy American Cars.

AMEN to that! Can I get a witness? :D

[bowez]

Just remember that Toyota is just a cheap, smaller, more expensive imiation of an American car.

To all the neah sayers yes they can make a reliable and dependable vehicle, but no inovation and you think the Ford deal is pricey try theirs.

As for the ArseCar get over it it anit racing--they anit NASCAR any more all they have left is the -A--AR.

[1FASTSC]

Real americans buy american cars, what a bunch of simplistic redneck ~~~~~~~~ lol.

[sizemoremk]

Well I didn't mean to start any mess, but I agree its kinda simplistic.

I don't prticularly like imports, but lets face it, most of them are more American than our own.

Even beemers and mercedes are made in Alabama and South Carolina these days:cool:

I am just a ford fan, so I will always drive fords, and be anti any other manufacturer:D

I wonder if these guys buy anything else that isn;t made in America?

[CMac89]

Real americans buy american cars, what a bunch of simplistic redneck ~~~~~~~~ lol.
Shut up...........

[Thunder427]

50/50


I hate rednecks, and i hate anyone who likes blue collar comedy tour as it is irritating to me.. but thats my opinion..


As far as buying American, 90% of the cars I like are American. i mostly like RWD V8s. We have the most of those.


Is it not "ok" to be loyal to your country though ? ( and now 1fastsc is going to tell you how long he served our country in the military blah blah) Or if you work in an american manufacturing plant, and dont like having your jobs imported to someone in another country ? Not that there arent import car company manufacturing plants that give U.S workers job... but you get my point. You get alot of guys with that mentality. More power to them.

dont bash him because he has a preference on what country to buy cars from.. sheesh.

But I understand where he is coming from.. you have no right calling him a redneck.

[CarlisleLandOwn]

Just remember that Toyota is just a cheap, smaller, more expensive imiation of an American car.

To all the neah sayers yes they can make a reliable and dependable vehicle, but no inovation and you think the Ford deal is pricey try theirs.

As for the ArseCar get over it it anit racing--they anit NASCAR any more all they have left is the -A--AR.


I just bought a 2007 Honda Accord for $18,000. Built right here in America by Americans who take a pay check home to their American Family. I would have bought a Ford, but Ford didn't have anything that compaired with the Honda at its Value/Dollar. Closest Ford would have been the Mazda6/Ford Fusion. And there is NO way in hell I'm driving that POS.

[seawalkersee]

Hey Mike...you should praise him. Screw all the UAW workers who cut corners and turn out shoddy work because they were drunk or high on the job. Imports have forced them to produce a better car and they do not like that fact. Now...that being said, that only covers a percent of the workers. Not ALL of them do it. In fact, I think I know about ten that dont. Yea, I said ten that dont. When I worked on cars, we would get their crap in DAILY in the mid 90s with stuff such as "THIS ONE WILL BE BACK" written on the inside of a tranny. Hmmm. I was laughing as I watched the money fly from my wallet as I was getting paid warranty time to fix some druggies screw up....again...while he was getting paid pretty fat to screw in a bolt AND get the "A" plan.


Now that I am off my high horse...WHATS WRONG WITH REDNECKS? We hunt, fish, drink, drive fast cars and 4X4s, and listen to country music. Not all of us have the I.Q. of 55.

Chris

[bowez]

I just bought a 2007 Honda Accord for $18,000. Built right here in America by Americans who take a pay check home to their American Family. I would have bought a Ford, but Ford didn't have anything that compaired with the Honda at its Value/Dollar. Closest Ford would have been the Mazda6/Ford Fusion. And there is NO way in hell I'm driving that POS.
But where do those profits go it anit to give more Americans jobs. As for price comparison similarly equiped not entry level prices. Then your $18,000 Accord becomes $21,000 compared to the $19,500 (before rebates) for the Fusion; what's wrong with the Mazada 6 platform (remember it underpins the Mustang too). Like I mentioned earlier don't forget the scheduled maintence difference--TIMEING BELT, constant valve adjustment, which can go all the way up to $2000. Yes I have service Honda and Civics and the Fords are much easier and cheaper; example Toyota EGR valve I bought last week dealer only item $220, compare that to a Ford $80.

[1FASTSC]

My point was exactly this:

In the course of our lives we buy TONS of foreign produced products, espeically by american based companies that have american roots, but do they give american's jobs to produce their product here? Nope, because comparatively speaking, Americans are expensive and don't put out the type of numbers that 3rd world sweat shops do.

The whole sentiment of buying american branded cars is hogwash. Most of these vehicles are being produced by countries outside of the US, because once again, Taxes and Cheaper labor cut costs for these American based companies. Yet only true Americans buy Domestic branded vehicles? Give me a break. Why blindly support a company that cares nothing about you?

Here's the breakdown, and I'm gonna make it simple like Barney for some of you. Real Americans get real jobs, and spend real money in the American Economy.


Thunder427: You constantly being on my sack is pretty old. I'm sorry that you don't have the Cajones to serve your country like a REAL american. I'm sorry that a thought of service to something bigger then yourself is so awful in your mind. It still does not make me any less proud of MY service.

You bring up the fact that I served in the Military more then I do, and that's a sad fact that somewhere in your twisted teenage mind you think that you'll be able to insult me with my own service to my country.

Get off my nuts dude seriously, it's old.

[Thunder427]

why did you edit ? did you have to spell check ?


you just mentioned 3 different ways to say testicles.. whats is going on here ? Am I missing something ?


I'm not insulting you, I just knew it would be coming, as it does every other time you have something to say. If I wouldnt have said that you would have mentioned your years of service to the U.S. or how AWD is king of the 60' foot.

Please define patriot. Please define REAL American. Not what it means to you.

So in order to be a REAL American you have to believe in whatever current conquest our administration is involved in ? WRONG.

I do serve my country.. its called paying taxes ~~~ whipe.

[1FASTSC]

Nope, and I edited to fix grammatical errors.

You know what, every post you make about me it's always an assumption, so I'm not going to respond to any of it. You can continue to assume what you want.

[CarlisleLandOwn]

But where do those profits go it anit to give more Americans jobs. As for price comparison similarly equiped not entry level prices. Then your $18,000 Accord becomes $21,000 compared to the $19,500 (before rebates) for the Fusion; what's wrong with the Mazada 6 platform (remember it underpins the Mustang too). Like I mentioned earlier don't forget the scheduled maintence difference--TIMEING BELT, constant valve adjustment, which can go all the way up to $2000. Yes I have service Honda and Civics and the Fords are much easier and cheaper; example Toyota EGR valve I bought last week dealer only item $220, compare that to a Ford $80.


Profits go towards a global economy. I honestly wish more people would research what an economy is before they jump on the band wagon. Not to mention most "American" cars are built in Canada or Mexico. Open the hood on a F series and check the wiring harness ... makes me feel comfortable.

I didn't get any rebates on my Accord, its an 07. Base price 17,500 4cyl 5 speed and you go up from there. Don't tell me what I spent, I KNOW what I spent and I KNOW what I got.

Mazda 6 = garbage platform. Yeah, it drives nice, but how many TSB's, recalls, and down right issues has Mazda had in the last few years. Don't get me started on the new mustang, its over priced cheap garbage.

I never said Toyota, I said HONDA. Go look up the maint pricing on a HONDA. I know what maintenance is, and I work on all my own cars. Parts aren't any more expensive then on an American car. Speaking of issues, have you looked at what kinds of issues the Duracrap has had? Or what about the amazing Ztec ... wow, what company's get away with today.

Duratec has valve burning issues, timing chain issues, rod bearing issues, ALL catastrophic engine failure issues! We aren't talking pittly BS here. The Ztec isn't any better. I'm not going to argue semantics here, because I LOVED my 3.0 OHV Taurus and its reliability. But Ford isn't building ANYTHING decent right now, I'm growing tired of the Taurus platform and I’m not interested in a HUGE suv.

[Daybirdsc]

First, I like american cars of all brands, by this meaning the main companies ford GM and dodge. Now I dont hate all others infact i drive an 83 datsun 280zx and love it even know its a peice of crap but it gives me no less problems then my SC.

Second, Bashing other car brands and not the way a person costommisses (yes misses) there cars apperance or preformance is as stupid as gitting called a Damn Yankee all the time because i was born in Indiana and live in Louisiana, even though most everybody ive met has become one of my freinds. Exaple of this is that I hate ricers but yet im freinds with those who drive such cars and I give them my respect, aslong as they give me mine.

3rd, When it comes to talking about rednecks just dont thats ignorant. If someone calls me a redneck i smile and say thankyou because I have a carefree life and enjoy to its fullest. Also I dont make stupid assumtions like all rednecks like blue caller tv because it represents our lives, It dosn't.


Finnaly, I dont care for that toyota truck but i do thank its great that you are already gitting you kid in the sport of racing I wish i would of starded when i was that young I would have alot mor knowledge now.:)





P.S. However i do like blue coller tv but that not the point.

[Dirtyd0g]

Now that I am off my high horse...WHATS WRONG WITH REDNECKS? We hunt, fish, drink, drive fast cars and 4X4s, and listen to country music. Not all of us have the I.Q. of 55.

Chris


Speak for yourself my pick em up truck is 2wd thank you, I just drive it like it's 4wd. I am very content with my I.Q. of 55.

Carlislelandowner I have to disagree you say your car is made by americans no it's just assembled by them to avoid import costs of bringing an entire car. The majority of the money goes to another country. So you can say whatever you want that makes you feel better, but when ford employees are in the unemployment lines you can honestly say you helped to get them there. My dad worked at Ford for 44 years the only cars I will buy are fords.
Alan

[Daybirdsc]

[QUOTE=Dirtyd0g]Speak for yourself my pick em up truck is 2wd thank you, I just drive it like it's 4wd. I am very content with my I.Q. of 55.

Finaly a guy who driving tallent shows more then the vehical he drives! I love watching guys with 2wd's own all over those 4wd guys that thank they can push through anything. Good job dirtyd0g

[Dirtyd0g]

Yeah I always believed drive what you've got, not get what you can drive.

[bowez]

Profits go towards a global economy. I honestly wish more people would research what an economy is before they jump on the band wagon. Not to mention most "American" cars are built in Canada or Mexico. Open the hood on a F series and check the wiring harness ... makes me feel comfortable.

I didn't get any rebates on my Accord, its an 07. Base price 17,500 4cyl 5 speed and you go up from there. Don't tell me what I spent, I KNOW what I spent and I KNOW what I got.

Mazda 6 = garbage platform. Yeah, it drives nice, but how many TSB's, recalls, and down right issues has Mazda had in the last few years. Don't get me started on the new mustang, its over priced cheap garbage.

I never said Toyota, I said HONDA. Go look up the maint pricing on a HONDA. I know what maintenance is, and I work on all my own cars. Parts aren't any more expensive then on an American car. Speaking of issues, have you looked at what kinds of issues the Duracrap has had? Or what about the amazing Ztec ... wow, what company's get away with today.

Duratec has valve burning issues, timing chain issues, rod bearing issues, ALL catastrophic engine failure issues! We aren't talking pittly BS here. The Ztec isn't any better. I'm not going to argue semantics here, because I LOVED my 3.0 OHV Taurus and its reliability. But Ford isn't building ANYTHING decent right now, I'm growing tired of the Taurus platform and I’m not interested in a HUGE suv.

I mention Toyota for them Simple reason I have more experience with them and they like Honda use Timing Belts (and that was the THEARD TOPIC). I can go pop the hoods of a half-dozen F series and they say made in Louisville, or Virginia or the like. As for TSB that is how all (well the vast majority) of new models are. You mention what you paid but I gave comperally equiped and the base model Accord lack things the base Fusion has.

As for the gobal economy last time I check I'm a US citizen and not no UN citizen, and as for my businees knowledge I have a Degree in Business and before you go there I understand the "Unseen Hand" theroy.

[KwikGSeX]

Speak for yourself my pick em up truck is 2wd thank you, I just drive it like it's 4wd. I am very content with my I.Q. of 55.

Carlislelandowner I have to disagree you say your car is made by americans no it's just assembled by them to avoid import costs of bringing an entire car. The majority of the money goes to another country. So you can say whatever you want that makes you feel better, but when ford employees are in the unemployment lines you can honestly say you helped to get them there.

You contradicted yourself in the same paragraph. If the Honda is made by Americans then it is supporting the American economy by giving AMERICANS jobs at the plant. If Ford employees are in the unemployment line its because Ford is shutting down plants. How are they supporting the American economy? With their substandard quality cars that give mechanics at the dealership work?

I have owned and dealt with Ford, GMC, BMW, Jaguar, Toyota, Audi and Cadillac. By far the best most reliable car I have ever owned is my Toyota Highlander. Why? Because in the year I have owned this car so far it has not gone back for anything. My SC in its first year of ownership (Bought it new in 90) went back 4 times to the dealer for problems (driveshaft bolts kept loosening up) If you guys want to buy American thats your preference but dont bash the Japanese companies. Unfortunately they make a superior product over American car companies and Im all about getting my money's worth out of a car.

[thundrburd]

Yeah I always believed drive what you've got, not get what you can drive.


Damnr right Dirtydog, my girlfriends dad is always challenging me in his 4x4 to try to keep up in my 2 wheel drive ranger, and I have yet to not go where his went, sure I might get stuck every once in a great while, but throw some weight in the back and your good to go

P.S. Foreign cars suck

[1FASTSC]

P.S. Foreign cars suck

I know I hate Canadian Ford's and Mexican Mopar's. We should sign a petition or something!

[CarlisleLandOwn]

Speak for yourself my pick em up truck is 2wd thank you, I just drive it like it's 4wd. I am very content with my I.Q. of 55.

Carlislelandowner I have to disagree you say your car is made by americans no it's just assembled by them to avoid import costs of bringing an entire car. The majority of the money goes to another country. So you can say whatever you want that makes you feel better, but when ford employees are in the unemployment lines you can honestly say you helped to get them there. My dad worked at Ford for 44 years the only cars I will buy are fords.
Alan

My father sold Fords for over 40 years as well up until the day he passed away. Ford motor company put food on my plate, and clothes on my back. But when it comes time for me to ask what car company I can trust ... it’s not Ford. Know what my father recommended I buy before he passed? It wasn't a FORD product. I purchased exactly what he told me to.

Ford employees are in unemployment lines because Ford Motor Company can't utilize the brightest minds in the industry, the most money in the industry, and the leading management in the industry. Something needs to change, and un fortunately right now, Ford doesn't offer ANYTHING I would personally purchase NEW.

I mention Toyota for them Simple reason I have more experience with them and they like Honda use Timing Belts (and that was the THEARD TOPIC). I can go pop the hoods of a half-dozen F series and they say made in Louisville, or Virginia or the like. As for TSB that is how all (well the vast majority) of new models are. You mention what you paid but I gave comperally equiped and the base model Accord lack things the base Fusion has.

As for the gobal economy last time I check I'm a US citizen and not no UN citizen, and as for my businees knowledge I have a Degree in Business and before you go there I understand the "Unseen Hand" theroy.

Take a quick look at those tags that say "Hecho de Mexico" on the wiring harness. Still think it’s an American truck? Hell, it’s only "Assembled" in America, and only partially.

You may have a degree, but you honestly have NO idea what a Global economy is, nor do you understand how an economy works. If you think purchasing from Ford makes America a better place you better get your facts straight. And if you think that purchasing from Ford means your getting not only an American car, but that the money actually stays IN America WAKE UP!

If by lacking you mean quality, refinement, and reliability you’re wrong. The base fusion is still more expensive then the base Accord and after looking at the differences I don't think its worth the 3 grand to have painted side mirrors, door handles, and rocker trim. Do you want to go on about the power train differences? Because I know you don't want to compare a "K" series Honda to a Ztec or even the Duratec. Look at how well the MAZDA 6 is doing in reliability, and tell me you would want a Fusion/Milan. You do realise the Fusion/Milan is a MAZDA right? So, its ok to buy from MAZDA (a car company from JAPAN) but not Honda?:eek:

Thank you ... I'll be here all week. :D

[CarlisleLandOwn]

Oh, just wanted to add one more thing, how does it make you feel that the best cars Ford has to offer currently are Volvo and Mazda's with a blue oval glued to the front?

The CD27 Contour/Mystique/Cougar were designed by an Engineer from Jag. The focus is a British Ford car. The Escape is based on the European Contour ... the list of American cars from Ford is dwindling ...

[bowez]

Yes I know the Fusion/Milan/6/Mustang/Zepher are all on the same platform, and unforantely for unqiuness this is needed to stay competative. As for Mazada being a Jap company yes it is and no its not Ford owns a controlling intrest it in plus their design studio is in Southern Cal. Are you suggesting that Ford do what GM has done--control its accqusitions with a iron fist? I personally see Ford taking ownership but allowing things to continue as they if it works a good plan (use the best minds no matter where they are at).

As for understanding and wanting to go into a disertation on global economics are two different things.

As for your spin on the golbal economy what Ford is doing is exactly what Toyota is doing, building in the future/new market to subvert the mass--for the mass are stupid. On that stance Ford is in much better stance than Toyota or Honda (neither company is well recieved in China and are fouceing too heavily in the US and not the developing markets).

[CarlisleLandOwn]

I just bought a 2007 Honda Accord for $18,000. Built right here in America by Americans who take a pay check home to their American Family. I would have bought a Ford, but Ford didn't have anything that compaired with the Honda at its Value/Dollar. Closest Ford would have been the Mazda6/Ford Fusion. And there is NO way in hell I'm driving that POS.

But where do those profits go it anit to give more Americans jobs. As for price comparison similarly equiped not entry level prices. Then your $18,000 Accord becomes $21,000 compared to the $19,500 (before rebates) for the Fusion; what's wrong with the Mazada 6 platform (remember it underpins the Mustang too). Like I mentioned earlier don't forget the scheduled maintence difference--TIMEING BELT, constant valve adjustment, which can go all the way up to $2000. Yes I have service Honda and Civics and the Fords are much easier and cheaper; example Toyota EGR valve I bought last week dealer only item $220, compare that to a Ford $80.

My father sold Fords for over 40 years as well up until the day he passed away. Ford motor company put food on my plate, and clothes on my back. But when it comes time for me to ask what car company I can trust ... it’s not Ford. Know what my father recommended I buy before he passed? It wasn't a FORD product. I purchased exactly what he told me to.

Ford employees are in unemployment lines because Ford Motor Company can't utilize the brightest minds in the industry, the most money in the industry, and the leading management in the industry. Something needs to change, and un fortunately right now, Ford doesn't offer ANYTHING I would personally purchase NEW.



Take a quick look at those tags that say "Hecho de Mexico" on the wiring harness. Still think it’s an American truck? Hell, it’s only "Assembled" in America, and only partially.

You may have a degree, but you honestly have NO idea what a Global economy is, nor do you understand how an economy works. If you think purchasing from Ford makes America a better place you better get your facts straight. And if you think that purchasing from Ford means your getting not only an American car, but that the money actually stays IN America WAKE UP!

If by lacking you mean quality, refinement, and reliability you’re wrong. The base fusion is still more expensive then the base Accord and after looking at the differences I don't think its worth the 3 grand to have painted side mirrors, door handles, and rocker trim. Do you want to go on about the power train differences? Because I know you don't want to compare a "K" series Honda to a Ztec or even the Duratec. Look at how well the MAZDA 6 is doing in reliability, and tell me you would want a Fusion/Milan. You do realise the Fusion/Milan is a MAZDA right? So, its ok to buy from MAZDA (a car company from JAPAN) but not Honda?:eek:

Thank you ... I'll be here all week. :D

Yes I know the Fusion/Milan/6/Mustang/Zepher are all on the same platform, and unforantely for unqiuness this is needed to stay competative. As for Mazada being a Jap company yes it is and no its not Ford owns a controlling intrest it in plus their design studio is in Southern Cal. Are you suggesting that Ford do what GM has done--control its accqusitions with a iron fist? I personally see Ford taking ownership but allowing things to continue as they if it works a good plan (use the best minds no matter where they are at).

As for understanding and wanting to go into a disertation on global economics are two different things.

As for your spin on the golbal economy what Ford is doing is exactly what Toyota is doing, building in the future/new market to subvert the mass--for the mass are stupid. On that stance Ford is in much better stance than Toyota or Honda (neither company is well recieved in China and are fouceing too heavily in the US and not the developing markets).


Just making sure you’re aware you’re talking in circles. Brand loyalty is a thing of the past, and utilized so that a company can continue to build a sub par product and still be able to sell it and make money. Everyone realizes the main goal of building/selling cars is to make money right? So if you can build a car cheaper, and still sell to the same people without having to improve it why wouldn't you? So, your argument of brand loyalty to Ford, which is dumping money into Mazda, over seas company's etc is a good one. Give them more to go elsewhere and continue to build garbage ... great plan. Thanks for proving my point.

[seawalkersee]

Calm down man...No need to TRY to get people to NOT like you. I have been saying that for years. I am SUPER happy that Ford is not on top of the truck sales anymore. This means they have to pull their head out of their rears and take a long hard look at whats REALLY goin on.

You DID hit the nail on the head when you said there were some people high up that needed to go. One is Uncle Henrys grand daughter (I think). Whatever relation she is, she believes there is no slot for a performance vehicle in their line up. I can not believe that someone could be as foolish as that. All she would have to do for a reality check is to look at a magazine rack. Performance this and that with Mustangs going against (and again losing I might add) the Whorevette. It is SOOO bad this year, I would probably buy one if I didnt need a back seat and did I mention if I could afford one. I like the looks of the new mustang, but you are correct in the fact that they need to do a few more things before I am totally sold. I can not afford the 6" loss of leg room in the rear of the car.

Chris

[CarlisleLandOwn]

Calm down man...No need to TRY to get people to NOT like you. I have been saying that for years. I am SUPER happy that Ford is not on top of the truck sales anymore. This means they have to pull their head out of their rears and take a long hard look at whats REALLY goin on.

You DID hit the nail on the head when you said there were some people high up that needed to go. One is Uncle Henrys grand daughter (I think). Whatever relation she is, she believes there is no slot for a performance vehicle in their line up. I can not believe that someone could be as foolish as that. All she would have to do for a reality check is to look at a magazine rack. Performance this and that with Mustangs going against (and again losing I might add) the Whorevette. It is SOOO bad this year, I would probably buy one if I didnt need a back seat and did I mention if I could afford one. I like the looks of the new mustang, but you are correct in the fact that they need to do a few more things before I am totally sold. I can not afford the 6" loss of leg room in the rear of the car.

Chris

Agreed 100%. Personally, I would like to see some quality products being built BY Ford IN AMERICA ... just going to be a waiting game I guess. But I won't be waiting to purchase, I'll just purchase from someone else.

[ThunderDave]

And to think this all started with a pic of a boy sitting in a Toyota. :rolleyes:

[bowez]

Mazada is as American as Mopar.
What you are getting at is what is Domestic and what is not.

As for unemployment, need to look to the UAW and not Ford--for its a Industry wide issue (save those companies with out the UAW).

Chris, the F150 is the number 1 selling vehicle in the World.

Carlsie, I'm not talking in circle just addressing different points at different times. Since you keep bring up part orginazation look under the Hood of a Honda/Toyota and will/does say Made in Japan.

[chazzwozzle]

I do serve my country.. its called paying taxes ~~~ whipe.[/QUOTE]
well paying taxes isnt serving your country, its more like "give me your money or your a$$ is going to prison for tax evasion" where as serving in the military is completely voluntary.

[Daybirdsc]

And to think this all started with a pic of a boy sitting in a Toyota. :rolleyes:
Sadley your right and knowone seems to care about the origanal post anymore they just want there last word in before its closed only to bring this up next time someone mentions their wife just bought honda or somthing along those lines.

[Storm_Dragon]

well paying taxes isnt serving your country, its more like "give me your money or your a$$ is going to prison for tax evasion" where as serving in the military is completely voluntary.[/QUOTE]

Amen to that.

[sizemoremk]

Just playing devils advocate here, but how many of you fellas have an SKS or two at the house? Should you be damned for puttig the union boys at Colt out of work for buying a very reliable weapon at a cheap cost made by the Chinese?

When I was a kid, and before I understood how unions are effin up the workforce and how our cars are not made in America anymore; I did hate foreign cars and considered it almost treason to drive an import! But now I just don't like em becasue of the style, size, how annoyin they sound when kids try and hot rod em, and I guess what I can only describe as the import gayness:p .

Anyhow, I think ya'll are getting a little too deep here but IMO, unless you can say you have nothing made outside of our country, its kind of hypocritical to bash foreign cars....

[seawalkersee]

[QUOTE=bowez]

Chris, the F150 is the number 1 selling vehicle in the World.

QUOTE]
If you say so...GM surpassed the blue oval last year in truck sales. They made a HUGE deal about it. I think it was buy a pickup and get that go kart car for free or some thing of that nature. Weather or not they are #1 again, I dont care. I wont buy another new vehicle for myself for a long time. BUT...the wife has her eye on that new minivan. Laugh it up...but its practical.

Chris

[thirdbird]

I don't think the unions are efin up the country, but they definitely need reform.
The major companies(including HP where I am working as a 'contractor'), are greedy and don't care about people foreign or domestic.
Its hard to get a permanent job with insurance anymore because there is no organization to oppose the 'comping' that these companies have been engaging in with the lawmakers.
So now there are no raises, no benefits, and no job security!
I think a pictue of my kid in a Toyota is a picture of my kid in a car that has its benefits and its shortcomings.
I think any working man (or woman) in this country is set for major disappointment, period. Its not George Bush's fault, either. The lawmakers are the problem, and they can't even be voted out!
I drive Dodges and Fords admittedly, but I have owned a Toyota (86 Cressida) that ran impressively too. The american car is nothing more than an oxymoron these days. They are a museum.
Good metaphor for 'The American Dream' actually.....

[sizemoremk]

Weather or not they are #1 again, I dont care. I wont buy another new vehicle for myself for a long time. Chris


Same here, if you buy used FORD don't git a dime, so given that logic, the only car company I've ever supported (other than the fords parts counter) is GM:eek: :o

Yep, I traded my first emmaculate money pit SuperCoupe for a brnd new 96 Grand AM 4 banger when I was 18:o Been kicking myself ever since... But that was when I was a poor PFC in the Corps after I spent $1000 chasing an overheating condition and a no start condition that resulted in new eec...

But of course by buying used, yo help new car "selling points" as far as aiding to resale, to an extent anyhow...

Oh, let me back up, I did support Ford! I forgot I bought the wife one of those TOY 2000 model cougars new; I hated that car but the wife loved it. Had it about a year and luckily didn't have any of the problems everyone else had out f it, that one got traded in on a 91 miled 30K mile lincoln towncar that was sweeeeeeeeet when she had our kid:)

My plan was to one day get me a towncar to thow' a bigole 500+ inch motor;) But now I have a NICE 2003 Crown Vic sport that might get some turbo(s) or somehtin instead....

But I've been mainly ford;) Lets see in order:D
79 Ford Mustang
90 35th SC
96 pontiacGrand AM:o
96 dodge:o
92 Ford Probe (practically given to me)
2000 Mercury Cougar
91 Lincoln Towncar
90 35th SC (2nd go around)
94 Ford F150
98 Ford F150
99 Ford Expedition
73 Ford F100
69 Mustang
2003 Ford Crown Vic

So I'm only 85.7% Ford, gotta work on that:D
Got no rice in there, though the probe and cougar were close...

[CarlisleLandOwn]

Sounds terrible, don't watch. (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-491774505776732464&q=toyota+v8&hl=en)

HORRIFIC sounding import (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8032833552741468306&q=toyota+v8&hl=en)

[seawalkersee]

Thinkin I got ya beat Mike
83 Ranger
83 Mustang
84 Bronco
96 Ranger
99 Ranger
97 T-Bird
02 Mustang
93 SC

That makes me battin 1000.

Still got both birdies and the Bronco. Now Where does the car my wife had BEFORE we met come into play? Yeah boyyyy...98 Nissan Sentra. 33 MPG and too small for me.

But now with two bambinos, I have to get her a Mini van...it will be a chrysler product Im sure.

Chris

[thirdbird]

But now with two bambinos, I have to get her a Mini van...it will be a chrysler product Im sure.

Chris

TURBO MINI TURBO MINI:D:D:D:D:D:D
about to get a new motor for mine:D

[sizemoremk]

Thinkin I got ya beat Mike
83 Ranger
83 Mustang
84 Bronco
96 Ranger
99 Ranger
97 T-Bird
02 Mustang
93 SC

That makes me battin 1000.

Still got both birdies and the Bronco. Now Where does the car my wife had BEFORE we met come into play? Yeah boyyyy...98 Nissan Sentra. 33 MPG and too small for me.

But now with two bambinos, I have to get her a Mini van...it will be a chrysler product Im sure.

Chris

pi$$ off Chris