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darkstar_one
11-15-2006, 04:49 PM
hey anyone tried these or any other ford ranger aftermarket v6 wires?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/93-01-FORD-RANGER-3-0L-V6-10-2MM-SPARK-PLUG-WIRES-HP_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQcategoryZ33692QQihZ016QQitemZ 260051715509QQrdZ1QQsspagenameZWDVW

jackpriceisgod
11-15-2006, 06:12 PM
would they fit a 3.8 engine? and i doubt they increase hp, unless they mean they make it possible to gap the plugs higher in turn creating more hp

darkstar_one
11-15-2006, 07:11 PM
yeah they will fit the 3.8 v6 engine... they have the same coil pack as ours... and same plugs and everything..

XxSlowpokexX
11-17-2006, 05:12 PM
What about lenght though?

metalman
11-17-2006, 05:16 PM
I have splitfire wires. So far, so good!

darkstar_one
11-17-2006, 05:28 PM
lenght should be about the same, the coil pack was on the driver side rear of the engine, similiar to the TBIRDS DRIVERSIDE FRONT of the engine design...

Burbank95sc
11-17-2006, 06:58 PM
The best wires are factory Ford wires.I used to have Magnecor wires on my sc ,so as my brother and they are junk.If you want aftermarket wires go with Ford Racing wires.

Pablo94SC
11-17-2006, 08:01 PM
The best wires are factory Ford wires.I used to have Magnecor wires on my sc ,so as my brother and they are junk.If you want aftermarket wires go with Ford Racing wires.

I've heard a lot of people having problems with Magnecor wires. I've had mine for 6 years without a single problem. What size did you order, and are you sure you installed them correctly?

MikeKanterakis
11-21-2006, 07:32 PM
If you're adventurous, make your self a set of Taylor 409's.

If you're not, get the Taylor 8mm wires with the pre-made ends.

The lifetime warranty ones from Autozone are kaka.

also, if you're going through plugs and wires a little too often, make sure your MAF is clean.

rickbtbird
11-21-2006, 09:22 PM
I went with Taylor 8mm wires on my 90 last year and today I replaced the coil with one of the SCP new coils. Almost ever wire I touched one of the end clips broke on them. I'll never do them again.

XR7 Dave
11-22-2006, 09:32 AM
Taylor 8mm wires are absolutely identical to Motorcraft wires except for the spiral core and color. If you lay them side by side there is no difference. The boots even have the same "Ford" emblem molded into them. That being said people have all different kinds of luck with all different kinds of wires.

David Neibert has used the same set of Taylor wires on his car for several years including having removed them probably 8 times during those years without ever having so much as one failure. I've had similar luck using those wires on various cars. I've also had 100% success using Motorcraft wires and in fact I've never had an issue with the Jacobs wires either.

I've had Magnacors that wouldn't clip onto the spark plugs before. That is something you can fix if you are careful and it is probably true for just about any wire that you could get one or two that don't fit tight.

I'd say that installation is 90% of the problem most of the time. People just don't make sure that they fit right or don't use silicone grease on the terminals, or they damage the terminals by trying to force the wire on too hard. I've also seen many boots damaged by the brackets that attach to the exhaust manifolds. You have to be careful what you are doing.

An interesting story, at the SC Shootout we had one person with some fancy wires (not sure what brand but I think they were the top line Magnacores with the big cool looking wrap on them). I gave the guy a hard time that maybe his wires were going to cost him some HP but I felt bad when the car was missing and chugging all day long. In a last frustrating ditch effort he went to AZ and bought some of those "crap" wires and viola, the car ran perfect. Too bad it was after the racing was over.

Anyway, the point that Burbank made is an excellent one. As far as I know there is no spark plug wire upgrade for these cars. Only cheaper ones and more expensive ones. Prettier ones and stock looking ones and it doesn't matter how pretty they are, if you get a bad one it will really spoil your day. ;)

XxSlowpokexX
11-22-2006, 01:59 PM
I've had great luck with the Accell Extreme wires. Taylor wires I always felt were to soft and would pull apart easily..

Also you can make a nice set of motocraft wires by buying auniversal v8 set and using your stock wires Coil ends..Have them on my teal sc work flawless

XR7 Dave
11-22-2006, 02:18 PM
I've had great luck with the Accell Extreme wires. Taylor wires I always felt were to soft and would pull apart easily.

What part of "Taylor wires are exactly the same as Motorcraft" did you miss? :D Taylor wires that you buy for your V8 are not the same as the ones you buy for an SC, the whole product is different. I wasn't impressed with the Taylor wires that I bought for my Dodge either. But that's ok. I've used Accell 9000 wires also and they seem ok. The silver spray paint on the orange boots is kind of tacky though.


Also you can make a nice set of motocraft wires by buying auniversal v8 set and using your stock wires Coil ends..Have them on my teal sc work flawless Don't you mean "Ford Motorsport" wires? It makes no sense to buy Motorcraft wires for a V8 when they are already made for the SC.

I don't like people making their own plug wires. Changing ends without damaging the terminals is an iffy thing and terminating wires correctly is a bit of a fine art that few people fully understand or have the tools to correctly accomplish. Plug wires on an SC are one of those things that is doesn't pay to experiment with unless you are doing your OWN tuning. I hate having a car show up at the dyno with a misfire under boost and the person says to me "I think the wires are ok. I made them myself." Hate that. :rolleyes: When you consider the cost of dyno time (usually $100/hr +/-) and the major inconvenience to everyone when you have to change your plug wires on the dyno suddenly saving $15 on a set of rigged wires isn't cost effective anymore.

Most often it isn't the quality of the wire or the conductor that is the problem. It's the terminals and the quality of the termination/connection that is most important. Just want people to keep that in mind before they start mucking with a set of wires or experimenting with something that isn't proven to work.

:)

rzimmerl
11-22-2006, 03:02 PM
I have been using Taylor's for the last 3 years with no problems yet. Done 3 plug changes and removed them numerous times from the coil for other repairs and so far nothing destroyed. I did have a miss once but a plug was my problem. I always you silicone grease on both ends. I also think the Taylors are cheaper than the Motorcraft if I remember. I personally don't thinks any set of plug wires are worth $100, IMO.

supercatxr7
11-22-2006, 04:04 PM
I have the Screamin Demon Live Wires on my car. Seem to be a really good wire so far.

MikeKanterakis
11-22-2006, 04:33 PM
When I originally made my Taylor 409's, I would have this condition where I would be speeding down the freeway and then all of a sudden, the car would cut out and be completely silent...........

.... then, it would come back to life like there was never a problem.

Turns out one of the original plug ends I stole off my old wires was bent back and forth one too many times.

Plus, it's a real pain in the fingers trying to make the plug ends. But, I love those wwiirreesss.....:D

Pablo94SC
11-22-2006, 04:57 PM
I really love the 10mm Magnecor's I have. I think the thicker insulation is well worth the extra money they cost, especially considering the underhood temps we reach.

XxSlowpokexX
11-22-2006, 05:01 PM
The silver spray paint on the orange boots is kind of tacky though..Its not paint..Its actually a thermally reflective coating...



Don't you mean "Ford Motorsport" wires? It makes no sense to buy Motorcraft wires for a V8 when they are already made for the SC.


As far as motorcraft..I did mean motosport...I'm suprised you didnt mention universal being they dont make UNIVERSAL motocraft wires :0)

And seriously If you cant properly crimp the ends onto a set of wires...You really shouldnt be working on your own car..I'm sure the china man/woman/small child/infant that most likely crimped your brand new wires doesnt do any better a job then yourself...Like saying why rig a A/R kit together when you can just but a brand new exact fit S port m90 :p

And lastly...


What part of "Taylor wires are exactly the same as Motorcraft" did you miss?

The part where I wasnt talking about the boot but the wire itself...But it wasnt me that assumed that..:rolleyes:

XR7 Dave
11-22-2006, 06:18 PM
The part where I wasnt talking about the boot but the wire itself...But it wasnt me that assumed that..:rolleyes:
It's very hard to know exactly what I should assume you meant vs. what I should have known you meant. Now I'm not even sure I know what I mean. :eek:

So how DOES the stiffness of the wire contribute to it's performance? Please do tell. :confused:

XR7 Dave
11-22-2006, 06:20 PM
.Like saying why rig a A/R kit together when you can just but a brand new exact fit S port m90 :p


Oh no you don't even go there. The ONLY reason to put an AR on an SC (regardless of how you do it) is for more power. Show me a plug wire that actually makes or supports more power than stock and I'm all ears.

Pablo94SC
11-22-2006, 06:25 PM
Oh no you don't even go there. The ONLY reason to put an AR on an SC (regardless of how you do it) is for more power. Show me a plug wire that actually makes or supports more power than stock and I'm all ears.

Got a picture of a yellow plug wire around? I hear yellow adds 15hp!!! :eek:


;)

XxSlowpokexX
11-22-2006, 06:29 PM
I went there!..And with aftermarket ignitions or coils you need a better wire period..Also in many many situations a performance wire does allow less resistence or interference (dependant on what your looking for )which can and will improve the performance of the engine or noise suppression in one way or another...I never specified performance or what type of performance...I never said HP or TQ gain although it is possable

Also I never said Taylor wires didnt perform..They are soft and in my experience rip apart easy.Od course it depends on the model as well.NEVER SAID THEY DIDNT PERFORM WELL...

But then again..Prove to me they do perform well..LOL

Soo :O)~

XxSlowpokexX
11-22-2006, 06:31 PM
Plug wire that supports more power dave..

Try running an MSD 7 with factory wires and see what happens..They actually do all sorts of neat tricks with the lights out..I can go on of course..Red yellow green or blue

XxSlowpokexX
11-22-2006, 06:32 PM
I really love the 10mm Magnecor's I have. I think the thicker insulation is well worth the extra money they cost, especially considering the underhood temps we reach.

He only bought them because they matched his porno red interior...Dont let hoim fool you

XR7 Dave
11-22-2006, 08:40 PM
Plug wire that supports more power dave..

Try running an MSD 7 with factory wires and see what happens..They actually do all sorts of neat tricks with the lights out..I can go on of course..Red yellow green or blue
True, but since you can't run an MSD 7 on our cars what does that prove?

You can't prove anything yet. Perhaps when we get to a power level that requires a better wire and have an ignition system that will support it, perhaps then this discussion will be worth bringing up again. ;)

I mean, if people want to simply argue, I can argue that with an internally stock motor the only wires capable of exceeding 395rwhp are Jacobs and/or Taylors. I proved that they are necessary to support 440rwhp with a stock coil. I can also prove that above 440rwhp you have to run Taylors. Only Taylors will support 440rwhp + 100hp nitrous. Not even the Jacobs are good enough for that. Magnacors are good for a little over 300rwhp only. Look how many 300rwhp cars are running them! There is proof enough for me. Ryan proved at the SC Shootout that Magnacors fail at exactly 327rwhp. If anyone made more than 327rwhp with Magnacors I will argue that they were probably using an Ego-jet and therefore their numbers aren't really valid.

But then I've also been told that anything other than a carbon core wire is bad and our ignition systems need OE resistance levels to function at full capacity. I was told that by an engineer so it must be true. So anyone running a spiral core wire is probably lacking ignition power due to insufficient resistance.

Ha, now YOU tell me what is truth and what is bogus.

Happy thanksgiving and don't eat any turkey that Pablo "prepared." Not everything tastes "just like chicken." :eek:

Dahoopd
11-22-2006, 09:02 PM
Why not just use factory wires. I have had no problems out of magnecor or Ford wires. But after reading this thread. I bought these high performance wires. 6 wires were only $60

littleboylan
11-22-2006, 09:06 PM
I mean, if people want to simply argue, I can argue that with an internally stock motor the only wires capable of exceeding 395rwhp are Jacobs and/or Taylors. I proved that they are necessary to support 440rwhp with a stock coil. I can also prove that above 440rwhp you have to run Taylors. Only Taylors will support 440rwhp + 100hp nitrous. Not even the Jacobs are good enough for that. Magnacors are good for a little over 300rwhp only. Look how many 300rwhp cars are running them! There is proof enough for me. Ryan proved at the SC Shootout that Magnacors fail at exactly 327rwhp. If anyone made more than 327rwhp with Magnacors I will argue that they were probably using an Ego-jet and therefore their numbers aren't really valid.

Dave, Are you saying that my Splitfire Plug wires are only capable of 317 RWHP :eek:

Maybe I should go witht the Magnacores and I could see 327RWHP :D

Seriously though, does it really matter what wire to go with?

Pablo94SC
11-22-2006, 09:31 PM
Oh for the love of God this arguement is ridiculous.

First Damon - making an arguement based on hardware that CAN NOT be used on our cars is moot and therefore irrelevant. Stop doing it. It makes people stop listening to you, even if your other points are spot on. Also, I bought the 10mm Magnecor wires because any wires that come stock on high-end and exotic sports cars, and used often on race cars (such as endurance and rally), are good in my book... not because they are porno red. :rolleyes:

Dave - Your sarcasm is lost on 99% of the forum and the sheep tend to follow you blindly. Edit your post so people don't believe that Jacobs, Magnecor, Motorcraft, etc wires will limit there car to X horsepower. It's a ridiculous statement that truly can not be backed up. Plus, I make one hell of a turkey, so don't knock my culinary skills!!! :mad:


Now then, the only benefit to a running any other plug wires than stock is so you don't leave HP on the table. They do that by allowing all the voltage from the coil to actually reach the plug, and therefore allow you to run a larger gap in the plugs. Now until someone ACTUALLY does dyno pulls with different wires, then again with the plugs gapped differently, ad nauseum, we will never know what wires work the best. So I propose we drop the discussion and let people buy whatever wires their little hearts (and wallet) desire.

Pablo94SC
11-22-2006, 09:38 PM
PS: Happy Turkey Day!!! I don't really celebrate Thanksgiving per se because I don't like celebrating the slaughter of the native Americans and stealing of their lands. I just like the turkey and the paid holiday. :D

[/partial sarcasm]

XR7 Dave
11-22-2006, 10:23 PM
Oh for the love of God this arguement is ridiculous.

But I'm having sooo much fun. :D

Pablo94SC
11-22-2006, 10:25 PM
But I'm having sooo much fun. :D

You two need a good swift kick in the backside. Now stop arguing or no dessert for you!!!

drummerzrok24
11-22-2006, 11:12 PM
How bout the Ford Racing wire for the 94 3.8L stang? Those would work for our cars.. wouldnt they?

XxSlowpokexX
11-23-2006, 12:56 AM
First Damon - making an arguement based on hardware that CAN NOT be used on our cars is moot and therefore irrelevant.

Dave didnt specify OUR CARS..And the Theory is far from MOOT however the whole argument is moot because I dont believe anyone has ever done anytype of a real study to determine ingnition wire performance or lack therof on our cars under variosu conditions. And your just angry because you really bought red magnacores because of your Pdiddy porno red interior..Next comes the red steering wheel..I will however give more specific answers below



Now Dave..I dont know what to say to that because even I cannot think that abstract and not to the point.

A factory car with a factory ignition MAY perform best with a factory wire.

What happens when you change the coil? Accell, PD, MSD....or ignition MSD Digital, Plasma Booster etc..No we cannot use an msd7 but I mentioned that because it was merely an example..Car specific examples are above..

Now I think its wrong to mislead people by saying a factory wire is just fine and a performance one offers no benifits when indeed they can...To what level is unknown and under what exact conditions is unknown as well..Noone here has done an unbiased comparison on a stock vehicle or a modified one.

Performance distributers claims a .33 reduction in 0-60 times using thier coil, wires and regapping the plugs. If the factory ignition is so wonderful and cannot benifit from a different coil or wires....Why the increase??... Ah yes the increased Gap!..But you cannot increase your gap with a factory coil..And I can tell you from personal experience factory ford wires do NOT like high output coils. How does this involve us?....As we increase boost we create higher cylinder pressures which cause blowout of the spark...So we gap our plugs closer which in turn looses power in theory...But being we were blowing out our spark...we gain power...A high performance coil/wire combo can allows us to run a larger gap even under higher boost presures thus increasing performance...

SO needing high performance wires is all about the situation at hand..Changing the gap, plug type, heat range, resistence of wires are ALL going to change the performance of the factory ignition setup. Who is to say that a performance wire will or will not help under non stock conditions?

All you or I can say for sure is that stock wires are good for stock boost and stock plugs..And even then we cant say if they are better or worse then an aftermarket wire set.

And thats a fact Jack

David Neibert
11-23-2006, 01:01 AM
Nobody knows what all will work....I believe Dave's point was why waste time experimenting with wires when we already know a few that are proven to work.

Stock wires are great until they get a year ot two old. If you have headers, they tend to become fragile and can be damaged just by changing the plugs. Ask me how I know. After seing Chris Wise using Taylors with damn near weekly teardowns without damaging the wires, I decided to give them a try.

The first set of Taylor spiro cores I bought back in 2000 had very fragile clips on the coil pack end of the wires and I broke several just removing the wire from the coil pack. They still worked fine, just didn't have clips on all the wires. I burned one on a header sometime later and decided to buy a whole new set around 2002. The new set has been off and on many times with no broken clips or any other problems. Tough to beat them for only about $45 a set from Summit.

I don't have any experince with the other brands, so I can't comment on them.

David

PS: My turbo car has Moroso 11mm wires that had to be cut to length and assembled. So far so good.

Crash00527
11-25-2006, 03:05 AM
you get what you pay for! i got accel double platnum, taylor wires & demon coil pack..nuff said ha:) :eek: