Electric water pump drive kit

Radagast

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Has anyone used a Proform Electric Water Pump drive kit (or Moroso or siimilar drive kit)? I'm thinking about getting one but the Ford 3.8 isn't specifically listed as supported. I saw a thread from a while back that talked about someone getting one but it didn't say if it was ever done. It is either this or get a Meziere pump and this drive kit seemed simpler.

Thanks.
 
I put a Proform electric water pump on my car. I had a custom bracket made to mount the motor off of where the air conditioning compressor used to sit. I would NOT use this setup on a daily driver, I had to bypass my heater core to keep the engine cool enough. This is with a three core radiator. I think Tom Morana now has a kit that bolts right up. Tim
 
The remote mounted motors that drive the stock pump are really only for drag use although Im sure you can use them on the street. There are plenty of better options as Randy has pointed out but they cost major $$$..Morana does sell something now although I dont know anyone that has used it as of yet on an SC
 
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Yes the only place I'd seen those used before was on the drag. Is the cooling with the Proform really that much worse that you can't have AC or heat? This car is driven fairly regularly so it needs to have a reliable cooling system.

I can spend a few hundred on it so I'll guess I'll check Tom Morana racing.

Does anyone else make delete plates with hose attachments for a remote electric pump? I think Randy did previously but I thought he stopped doing it.
 
I have a three core radiator, no air and a light car. It works on the street for the little driving on the street that I do. It really is a drag race setup.
 
Yes the only place I'd seen those used before was on the drag. Is the cooling with the Proform really that much worse that you can't have AC or heat? This car is driven fairly regularly so it needs to have a reliable cooling system.

I can spend a few hundred on it so I'll guess I'll check Tom Morana racing.

Does anyone else make delete plates with hose attachments for a remote electric pump? I think Randy did previously but I thought he stopped doing it.

To make a delete waterpump plate ,you just need a .500 or thicker
aluminum plate. Drill holes in plate to match up with mounting bolt
holes in timing chain cover. You can use old water pump for template
or measurments as a guide. Drill and tap two 1 inch holes in plate
then cut NPT threads. These two 1inch holes hooks up to radiator
and remote water pump.

With this type set up remote waterpump,with delete plate.Good and bad points . Meziere remote mount pump used.
good
1. it can make more room or clearance in front on motor.
2. makes belt changes easer, or general matanince on front of motor.
bad
1. if you use all stainless steel hoses with all AN fittings for connections.
Then If you blow a head gasket,this can pressurize the coolant system and
cause extra damage by splitting the seams in the radiator.
2. no heater/defrost, can be made though.

To make a center mount electric water pump. Aluminum plate 3/4inch
thick. Buy a Moroso small block ford waterpump,with 1 3/4 radiator outlet.. You will throw the plate away that came with pump. Then make your
own plate to fit the new Moroso pump, and timimg cover.
Good points
Works looks ok.
Bad point
no heater/defrost. to have a inlet and outlet for heater/defrost
you will need to start with a aluminum plate 1.500.

I have not tried to use the Meziere center mount pump with built-in
ideler pulley.This water pump was designed to bolt on the 4.6 v-8 motor.
I think this would be the best setup for a daily driver. With it you
could keep the stock 3.8 routing of the accessery belts. To build
this style pump ,I would start with a 1.5 inch thick aluminum plate.

Some electric pump have a 2000 hour warrenty. thats a lot of miles
if you average 55MPH. I think the different styles that I have tried to
make for myself would be just fine to use for daily use. Like any custom
part you need to keep an eye on the part. I never use the belt driven electric water pumps, drag or street..although by far the cheapest
route to go.

37 GP pumps enough coolant volume, and 55 GP works best. I
have not tested belt driven electric pumps.

As far as horse power gains. Electric water pump manufactures claim
gains around 20 HP at crankshaft. You will feel no gain by the seat
of the pants dyno in the lower RPM range. You will gain 5 to7
RWHP in the very top end of the RPM range. The best gain from
the installation of a electric waterpump ,Would be that it will
help in making your max rwhp come on faster.Faster reving engine.

I have not made any plates for a while. I like the idea of using the
Meziere 4.6 electric water pump with ideler pulley. If you and Damon
are interrested in buying this style.I can anounce that I have and
will be selling this style electric waterpump. There would be
a couple places fabing & selling them in a week or so. So if
your interested just PM me. I will announce the release of a new
electric pump with ideler pulley. You should have no problem buying
one in a few days. I here to help in anyway I can. Just PM me.



Randy
 
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Just to add a little more info:

I'm running the Meziere electric water pump with the idler pulley on the DOHC 4.6L in my XR7, and I'm very pleased with it. I agree with Randy, I think making a plate to mount that pump to the 3.8L would be the way to go. The Meziere pump knocked an average of .1423 seconds off my corrected E.T.'s, and the car runs 10 degrees cooler on average than it did with the stock water pump.

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-Rod
 
Yes I saw that on Morana's web site. Tom sent me an email confirming that it is a bolt-on upgrade. I really like Meziers 55gpm with pulley too though. I will think about it for a day or two though before deciding.

Thanks everyone.
 
I hope its better than his double roller timing chain that cost a ton and lasted less than 3000 miles.:mad:
 
I liek teh Idler pulley idea best..Randy Im PM'n you

It would be kool to have one. They can save gas, cut a little time off
your E.T.

I don't have the time or the money to try and develope parts for MN12s
any longer.. I simply cannot afford to help the SC commuity, in this
way.I have perfected bad timing.

Thanks Randy
 
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Morana does sell an electric water pump for our motor that bolts to the same spot the stock water pump does, just like you see the kits for v-8 chevy and Ford motors.

It looks like his stands out about 4 to 5 inches farther than
the electric pump I made for my motor. I wonder if the
MORANA pump has the clearance for the electric puller fan
between the radiator and MP FMIC?

Space savings is one of the biggest reason I made one for my motor.
Made room for other mods. Helps in making car easier to work on.
And I have a working defrost/heater. Plus mine covers the bolt
holes used with the OME waterpump. And is polished, And it has
mounting studs with the right offset for polished supercharger
snout support bracket. That is used on the A/R blower
SuperCoupeUnlimited sold me.


Randy
 
Randy, how did you block off the passages where the stock impeller goes, the channel from the impeller to the water ports, i would be afraid that it would not circulate properly?
 
Randy, how did you block off the passages where the stock impeller goes, the channel from the impeller to the water ports, i would be afraid that it would not circulate properly?

Kevin
I use no block off plates. Plates are use by manufactures to save machine
work time and material. I machined mine to fit .

The back side of my plate is machined with tapered channels & impeller housing . To fit in the SC 3.8 timing cover.

I would post some pictures, but my camera is broke.

When I was testing my electric water pump on my stock motor.
I notice that when driving slow,or in traffic. My motor temp were
a little cooler than normal. I think this was because the electric
pumps pump the same amount of coolant at any RPM level.

I have not done this, but they would be great for cooling your
car down in the pits after or between pass''s

Randy
 
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