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OneFastBird
04-15-2007, 03:52 PM
I've been searching now for weeks trying to pull up info on all of these different superchargers out there and I'll just get more confused then what I was begin with. As far as Price, Install, Horsepower, and Torque, what are the better blowers out there?(MP111, MPX, M112, Whipple, AR, Kenny Bell) I know that you'll get more hp# from the whipple, AR, and Kenny Bell but are they as easy to install as the mp111 or MPX and are they worth it for the price difference!!! Any info/help is very helpful, Thank you

kenewagner
04-15-2007, 08:31 PM
They all have diffrent attributes. The MPX needs to be overdriven a lot to get the goody from it and can be bought off the shelf. Installation should be a breeze since it is still just a M90. Most SC owners will be canidates for it. The AR could be had from Dave Dalke. I dont know if he sells a kit for it anymore. The whipple, is a custom install and so is the M112. The AR and Whipple will make more HP over all and use less HP. The M112 should be a lot better at low and mid range HP. The bigger blowers will make less heat and in some case be underdriven to acheive the same results as spinning a M90 a zillion miles an hour. Bigger blowers will be more costly as they usually require custom fabrication. I guess it all depends on what you want and how much you want to spend. There is always someone out there who will get it done

Ken

rzibilske77
04-15-2007, 09:25 PM
I sure would like to get my paws on this blower they call auto rotor:D
Too bad it takes an act of congress to get one:confused:

Toms-SC
04-15-2007, 09:29 PM
I sure would like to get my paws on this blower they call auto rotor:D
Too bad it takes an act of congress to get one:confused:

You don't know the secret hand shake? :confused:

rzibilske77
04-15-2007, 09:35 PM
You don't know the secret hand shake? :confused:

not sure where you going with that.....fill me in :confused:

kenewagner
04-15-2007, 09:36 PM
You don't know the secret hand shake? :confused:

Dont give away all the secrets Tom:D

Ken

rzibilske77
04-15-2007, 09:41 PM
you guys are no fun and sure aren't playing fair:mad:

Micahdogg
04-16-2007, 12:17 AM
All I know is I took my AR car out yesterday for the first time in a few months and DAMN. If I had to go back to an M90, I wouldn't want the car anymore. It's just hard to describe 2nd gear. The car drifts out sooooo nice now because you never have to be in the sweet spot. Just hit it...any rpm...any speed in 2nd and things get retarded.

Payton
04-16-2007, 12:34 AM
All I know is I took my AR car out yesterday for the first time in a few months and DAMN. If I had to go back to an M90, I wouldn't want the car anymore. It's just hard to describe 2nd gear. The car drifts out sooooo nice now because you never have to be in the sweet spot. Just hit it...any rpm...any speed in 2nd and things get retarded.

Micah, time to update your member's page!;)

Scott Long
04-16-2007, 12:49 AM
You gotta know the handshake and have the ring!

Toms-SC
04-16-2007, 10:18 AM
You gotta know the handshake and have the ring!

Crap I lack the ring! No AR for I! :D :cool:

kenewagner
04-16-2007, 11:09 AM
Crap I lack the ring! No AR for I! :D :cool:

2 box tops from Captain Crunch with blue berries and 75 cents and the ring could be yours.

Ken

ricardoa1
04-16-2007, 11:28 AM
How many A/R have been produced? And I have not seen anyone with the 2.0l who has that kit?

XR7 Dave
04-16-2007, 11:31 AM
You guys are all pretty funny.

There really is only one choice for blowers and that is the MPx.

Previous versions (MP1, MP2, MP3) are all outdated and the S-port is the same as it always was. Any of these blowers are typically going to come at you used and will make a good upgrade from stock. The MPx is the only new blower package that can be bolted on and run and it can make up to 400rwhp with readily available 25% OD pulleys.

Other blowers are all custom and do not represent something that someone can simply "choose from". You can get a Procharger, Vortec, turbo, AR, Whipple, M112, M122, or hell you could put a B&M 471 if you want on the motor but in each of those cases you will have to either make it yourself or convince someone else to make it for you. None of this is any different than it was 10 years ago.

With the way that M90 blowers and parts have held their value it only makes sense to buy what is readily available so that you can enjoy your car with up to 400rwhp now and if/when you make a deal with someone to build you a custom kit or you figure out how to do it on your own then you can sell your M90 for 75% of what you paid for it allowing you to have your cake now and later too.

The people who have anything other than an M90 have waited a long time and have had to put up with the kinds of things that are typical for a custom application. I guess if there is a special "handshake" and "ring" it would be known as "patience" and "$$" because that's the biggest difference between an off the shelf M90 and anything else.

:)

ricardoa1
04-16-2007, 11:56 AM
I'd like to see the MPX with M112 rotors+adapter plate and a custom shortened snout. :) That should be a sweet set up. I think too much :confused:

kenewagner
04-16-2007, 11:57 AM
What Dave said is correct. Secret handshake aside bigger blowers require custom fabrication and can be done for the right price. Most SC owners will go with the MPX because it will bolt right on.

Ken

SRT-4
04-16-2007, 12:17 PM
I "built" block with a MPX and N20 should make 400 at the wheels :eek:

For the price of an AR you could have a MPX car, blow the engine, replace it and still be cheaper than the AR alone :p

kenewagner
04-16-2007, 12:22 PM
I'd like to see the MPX with M112 rotors+adapter plate and a custom shortened snout. :) That should be a sweet set up. I think too much :confused:

The M112 inlet and outlet are so much bigger. A big plus if looking to move a lot of air. Usually the outlet is at the front of the case and I would think a spacer plate would cover the front of the rotors and how does that effect the movement of air?

Ken

ricardoa1
04-16-2007, 01:11 PM
The M112 inlet and outlet are so much bigger. A big plus if looking to move a lot of air. Usually the outlet is at the front of the case and I would think a spacer plate would cover the front of the rotors and how does that effect the movement of air?

Ken

The spacer could have an opening that will allow air to move. The top will have to be modified to accomodate the larger opening. The size of the MPx case opening should be big enough.
Or just go turbo and be done with it...

Toms-SC
04-16-2007, 01:15 PM
Just a warning for those attempting a M112 rotor swap, DO NOT use a Cobra rotor pack. You have been warned. :)

kenewagner
04-16-2007, 01:18 PM
The spacer could have an opening that will allow air to move. The top will have to be modified to accomodate the larger opening. The size of the MPx case opening should be big enough.
Or just go turbo and be done with it...

I like the supercharger vs Turbo. Just my prefrence. As for the m112 vs a stretched M90. A lot of fabrication and problems to overcome either way.

Ken

ricardoa1
04-16-2007, 01:49 PM
http://v6power.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43248&sid=2b1f00815f55e186ac0020396f0f7130
cougarsc set up

ricardoa1
04-16-2007, 01:51 PM
Just a warning for those attempting a M112 rotor swap, DO NOT use a Cobra rotor pack. You have been warned. :)

Elaborate Please..

Toms-SC
04-16-2007, 01:55 PM
The Cobra rotor pack has a built in spacer which adds over 1/2 an inch. In order to make a spacer you are looking at at least a 2.1" which will hang far over the edge of the intake manifold. It is not work it in the least. The Jag M112 which Ken has used still remains the best choice.

tbirdsc357
04-16-2007, 02:28 PM
I'm glad I got an AR from Dave.

We dynoed 300rwhp with a stock IC and the following mods:

-bigger maf, tb, injectors
-sci jack shaft
-snow kit
-AR

It's producing too much boost right now so the timing is set at 22*, Dave can move that to 30* when I install a larrger pulley, should gain another 30-40rwhp........so 340rwhp on a totally stock motor. I'm more than happy with that.

kenewagner
04-16-2007, 02:56 PM
I'm glad I got an AR from Dave.

We dynoed 300rwhp with a stock IC and the following mods:

-bigger maf, tb, injectors
-sci jack shaft
-snow kit
-AR

It's producing too much boost right now so the timing is set at 22*, Dave can move that to 30* when I install a larrger pulley, should gain another 30-40rwhp........so 340rwhp on a totally stock motor. I'm more than happy with that.

How big did you go on the injectors?

rzibilske77
04-16-2007, 03:10 PM
how much is the mpx blower and pulley set going for?
i am looking for around the 400hp mark and ill be happy, if this fesible with a stock bottom end with durabilty.

kenewagner
04-16-2007, 03:22 PM
http://v6power.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=43248&sid=2b1f00815f55e186ac0020396f0f7130
cougarsc set up

I havent seen any numbers on cougarsc M112. I have read threads on his conversion but have not heard any pros or cons on his conversion. A custom top has to built, the stock fuel rail is to short for the longer case. The snout has to be shortened, and the front mount is no longer useable. All problems to overcome regardless if you stick M112 rotors in a stock case or use a Jaguar M112.

Ken

rzibilske77
04-16-2007, 03:25 PM
What Dave said is correct. Secret handshake aside bigger blowers require custom fabrication and can be done for the right price. Most SC owners will go with the MPX because it will bolt right on.

Ken

its one thing the cost, but waiting over a yr is another, i truly would like to do the AR blower kit, but I do not have skills, tools, and time to do so.

tbirdsc357
04-16-2007, 03:44 PM
How big did you go on the injectors?

60's........

ricardoa1
04-16-2007, 03:49 PM
how much is the mpx blower and pulley set going for?
i am looking for around the 400hp mark and ill be happy, if this fesible with a stock bottom end with durabilty.

You gotta have heads and cam to get there....Other wise you will be at low 300 high 200

rzibilske77
04-16-2007, 04:14 PM
You gotta have heads and cam to get there....Other wise you will be at low 300 high 200

thats a given, being that this mpx is being over driven excessively, a larger effiencient front mount ic is a must, the heat must be excessive.

Micahdogg
04-16-2007, 04:22 PM
While the M112 rotor swap to the M90 case may not be ideal...it works. And depending on how good of a deal you get on the parts (and how well you know a machinist), I think it would be worth it. Just look at the GTP crowd and the difference is having a high 11 sec GTP or a low 11 sec GTP.

mywhite89
04-16-2007, 04:23 PM
I would like to know how much more average power an MPX with 25% overdrive would make verses a MPII with 15% overdrive with all the same mods(other then the tune of course)

Micahdogg
04-16-2007, 05:14 PM
Here is what your car will make with the following blowers:

S Model = 255 RWHP
MP1 = 258 RWHP
MP2 = 270 RWHP
MPX = 260 RWHP (at same overdrive) or 350RWHP at 25%
AR = 330 RWHP
Whipple = 390 RWHP
Turbo = 420 RWHP

So I would find the best deal you can on the following and see how much power you can afford.

mywhite89
04-16-2007, 05:22 PM
Here is what your car will make with the following blowers:

S Model = 255 RWHP
MP1 = 258 RWHP
MP2 = 270 RWHP
MPX = 260 RWHP (at same overdrive) or 350RWHP at 25%
AR = 330 RWHP
Whipple = 390 RWHP
Turbo = 420 RWHP

So I would find the best deal you can on the following and see how much power you can afford.

This is average rwhp right? If so, that mpx is a pretty amazing blower when in its operating range. From what rpm ranges did you get your numbers?

ricardoa1
04-16-2007, 05:45 PM
Here is what your car will make with the following blowers:

S Model = 255 RWHP
MP1 = 258 RWHP
MP2 = 270 RWHP
MPX = 260 RWHP (at same overdrive) or 350RWHP at 25%
AR = 330 RWHP
Whipple = 390 RWHP
Turbo = 420 RWHP

So I would find the best deal you can on the following and see how much power you can afford.

Bold statements, are you taking an educated guess? that 350 on the MPx looks kinda high dont you think?

XR7 Dave
04-16-2007, 06:06 PM
This is average rwhp right? If so, that mpx is a pretty amazing blower when in its operating range. From what rpm ranges did you get your numbers?

lol, he made that up.

Here are my "made up" numbers. All numbers assume mild heads and cam and 5spd transmission.

Stock 89 blower with 10% OD will make 10psi and 260rwhp.
Ported 89 blower with coated rotors and 15% OD - 12psi and 290rwhp.
Stock 94 blower with 5% OD - 13psi and 300rwhp
S-Port blower with 10% OD - 15psi and 340rwhp
MPI or MPII blower with 15% OD and coated rotors - 16psi and 365rwhp
MPIII or MPx with 25% OD and coated rotors - 19psi and 400rwhp.
M112 - 23psi and 425rwhp
Twin Screw - 23psi and 450rwhp
Centrifugal - 26psi and 500rwhp
Turbo - 30psi and 600rwhp

These represent the best you are likely to see keeping the blowers in their best rpm ranges and boost levels at which they perform best. If you have a stock motor or other goofed up parts underneath the blower then your results will be less or your boost requirements will be higher.

I think these are some pretty realistic numbers keeping in mind that the last 4 on the list don't really exist as options to buy anyway.

In any case, anything over 275rwhp requires tuning and dedication from the owner because most likely something will break and you'll need to re-do something a couple hundred times to get it all right.

rzibilske77
04-16-2007, 06:14 PM
50# injecters a good choice for the MPX setup, i dont want overkill if not needed?

David Neibert
04-19-2007, 04:52 PM
In any case, anything over 275rwhp requires tuning and dedication from the owner because most likely something will break and you'll need to re-do something a couple hundred times to get it all right.


Very true and worth repeating.

David

tim
04-19-2007, 10:34 PM
I went to an mp2 I guess its a little better than what I had. $1000 better no way.:mad: MPX my a$$ MY next step will be an AR or nothing at all. I know the hand shake and the guy that builds the kits. I saw what Daves 4000 lb. car did with an AR, An AR and nitrous? Did you guys see the video? I may not be real fast but I aint real dumb. Over drive a m90 25% no comment, all the really smart guys will shoot me down anyway.

samishii
11-16-2010, 09:34 AM
I'm glad I got an AR from Dave.

We dynoed 300rwhp with a stock IC and the following mods:

-bigger maf, tb, injectors
-sci jack shaft
-snow kit
-AR

It's producing too much boost right now so the timing is set at 22*, Dave can move that to 30* when I install a larrger pulley, should gain another 30-40rwhp........so 340rwhp on a totally stock motor. I'm more than happy with that.
I bet that AR screams... *drool*

XxSlowpokexX
11-16-2010, 03:52 PM
Boy is this an old post! And yeah they do scream

kenewagner
11-16-2010, 04:39 PM
Boy is this an old post! And yeah they do scream

You havent heard a big Whipple than;):D:D

Ken

BLOWN38
11-16-2010, 05:24 PM
DD is pretty darn close on his HP guestaments except for the M112 numbers.;)

rzimmerl
11-16-2010, 05:49 PM
Ya he is pretty close. Little off a little on the turbo #'s, and the little 1.7's can make near 450 at about 17-18psi:D... It's amazing how much has changed in 3 years.

neverfastenough
11-16-2010, 05:59 PM
Ya he is pretty close. Little off a little on the turbo #'s, and the little 1.7's can make near 450 at about 17-18psi:D... It's amazing how much has changed in 3 years.

Dont think i can make 600rwhp at 30psi?

rzimmerl
11-16-2010, 06:31 PM
Dont think i can make 600rwhp at 30psi?

Possible, didn't Casey do it with 23ish?

neverfastenough
11-16-2010, 06:42 PM
Those arent mild heads/cam, but anyway, I think I can do it with less than 30.

CMac89
11-16-2010, 07:30 PM
Possible, didn't Casey do it with 23ish?

660 @ 20psi.

nickleman60
11-16-2010, 07:37 PM
I think it's about time for the turblow crowd to put down some 1/4 mile runs and see if the numbers are where they should be for that much hp......;) ............to show us poor fellas with superchargers what we're missing......................:p

neverfastenough
11-16-2010, 07:40 PM
Hook me up wif a t56, and a solid rear end!!!

CMac89
11-16-2010, 07:49 PM
I think it's about time for the turblow crowd to put down some 1/4 mile runs and see if the numbers are where they should be for that much hp......;) ............to show us poor fellas with superchargers what we're missing......................:p

The problem with it is we get to the point where we have all of this power with factory drivetrain that won't hold up to the motor's potential. The tranny and rear end is a limiting factor. It takes cubic dollars to get where we need to be, but I'll get there at least.

I can get the car down the track, but it'll run Supra times the way I would have to drive it. 11.20s at 140....Yucky!!

David Neibert
11-17-2010, 08:58 AM
The problem with it is we get to the point where we have all of this power with factory drivetrain that won't hold up to the motor's potential. The tranny and rear end is a limiting factor. It takes cubic dollars to get where we need to be, but I'll get there at least.

I can get the car down the track, but it'll run Supra times the way I would have to drive it. 11.20s at 140....Yucky!!

So when are you going to put an automatic in it ?

David

XR7 Dave
11-17-2010, 09:23 AM
I like how people decide what is going to happen before they make a serious effort to find out. If I had told you guys last year (I didn't) that Chris was going to run 10's with this car, no one would have believed it.

Casey, no excuses are accepted. Turn the boost down, tune the car for 500rwhp, and go make some 11.0 passes. It's that simple (or complicated, depending on how look at it).

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 10:27 AM
To do that properly, I think a smaller turbine housing would be in order and a different wastegate spring. And I dont think he wants to get stuck with only 500rwhp when a 140+ trapping evo decides to taunt him on the highway. Actually, Casey would have to start that cuz the Evo wouldnt even look since Caseys car looks slow.

CMac89
11-17-2010, 11:05 AM
I like how people decide what is going to happen before they make a serious effort to find out. If I had told you guys last year (I didn't) that Chris was going to run 10's with this car, no one would have believed it.

Casey, no excuses are accepted. Turn the boost down, tune the car for 500rwhp, and go make some 11.0 passes. It's that simple (or complicated, depending on how look at it).

Binks only showed me how to turn the knob clockwise and the boost keeps going up when do that. He never taught me how to turn it down.

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 11:17 AM
AFAIK Casey, it only turns clockwise. Id be cautious turning it the other direction, it could damage it.

Corey

kenewagner
11-17-2010, 11:40 AM
Well you guys really have the edge on HP, no refuting that, and you have the edge on trap speed. But I think what most are wondering is why you arent getting from point A to point B faster than a supercharger:rolleyes:
When you get that part done you will have your basket full. Did I read somewhere here no excuses accepted;)

Ken

Toms-SC
11-17-2010, 12:22 PM
HP is the easy part....traction on the other hand.

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 12:34 PM
HP is the easy part....traction on the other hand.

My best 60ft with the new setup is 2.17 I think:o. I have a few ideas to lower that, tires would really help too.

nickleman60
11-17-2010, 01:10 PM
My best 60ft with the new setup is 2.17 I think:o. I have a few ideas to lower that, tires would really help too.

And an automatic transmission..............:rolleyes:

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 01:18 PM
And an automatic transmission..............:rolleyes:

It will get a t56 if it gets anything.

Corey

kenewagner
11-17-2010, 01:27 PM
It will get a t56 if it gets anything.

Corey

I would like to see a tubo with a manual in the high 10s With the HP you guys are generating 10s or 11.0s should be a breeze. Than you can honestly say

" Can turbo cars really walk all over a supercharger? Do woodchucks really chuck wood?"

Untill than the supercharged cars are at the front of the pack:eek::D:D

As a prominent club member would say "Do Work Son":D:D

rzimmerl
11-17-2010, 01:40 PM
I would like to see a tubo with a manual in the high 10s With the HP you guys are generating 10s or 11.0s should be a breeze. Than you can honestly say

" Can turbo cars really walk all over a supercharger? Do woodchucks really chuck wood?"

Untill than the supercharged cars are at the front of the pack:eek::D:D

As a prominent club member would say "Do Work Son":D:D

Corey, hate to say it but.... OWNED:D:D

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 01:42 PM
I would like to see a tubo with a manual in the high 10s With the HP you guys are generating 10s or 11.0s should be a breeze. Than you can honestly say

" Can turbo cars really walk all over a supercharger? Do woodchucks really chuck wood?"

Untill than the supercharged cars are at the front of the pack:eek::D:D

As a prominent club member would say "Do Work Son":D:D

You sc guys currently lead the pack in e.t, but I think me and cmac can prove my sig on the street.

rzimmerl
11-17-2010, 01:44 PM
I think me and cmac can prove my sig on the street.

Ya at what 55mph roll...:rolleyes:...green light to green light is where most of the action is

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 01:45 PM
Corey, hate to say it but.... OWNED:D:D

Lets line them up on dragway 224, Mr. confident. We compared on the street at the 09 shootout, but we havent this year. 55 too fast for your wittle aod?

rzimmerl
11-17-2010, 01:52 PM
That roads a death trap between dear and semi's. Na 55 be OK, my "wittle" AOD is good till 125-130.

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 01:55 PM
That roads a death trap between dear and semi's. Na 55 be OK, my "wittle" AOD is good till 125-130.

As long as the road is wider than that residental farm road we ran on in Indiana

ricardoa1
11-17-2010, 01:59 PM
You all crack me up. Same old discussion happens every winter. Over the same thing....Why do cobra owners took out their t-56s out to put Autos and solid rear ends....Because they are hardcore drag racers.....More Autos were made on our platform so 1/4mile drag racing seems to be the only performance benchmark that this club has created. It is the only somewhat consistent way of comparing other cars alike in the club. I get it and Ive been forced to conform to this style of competition mainly because that is the only sanctioned event thats supported in this club and that can compare our cars performance The dyno is another tool but support for that as a comparison tool also has taken a back seat, too many excuses and variables. different gears, loads, factors. Ect. So this club strong supporters dont see it as usefull comparison. But god there is more to a car then a 1/4 mile slip. I continue to watch shows like Top Gear, Supercars Exposed, Battle of the super cars, rallys, autocross and roadracing events and I feel like the only thing that they all have in common is POWER, the more power the better to a point ofcourse. But there are other tools. 0-60 times, 0-120, 60-100, 0-100-0, slalom are all things that some cars do better then others how about street tires, what ever happen to running a car in street trim knowing what the car will do against another street car. So what makes your car and what makes you happy is whats important. To me my car is not enough to compete with heavy weights but thats cause we keep seeing HP wars and till Insurance or Gas takes a toll on that. More and more powerful cars will be produced from Germany, Detroit and Japan. Plain and simple.

David Neibert
11-17-2010, 02:04 PM
Lets line them up on dragway 224, Mr. confident. We compared on the street at the 09 shootout, but we havent this year. 55 too fast for your wittle aod?

Starting to sound like one of those Supra guys who wants to start the race brake boosting at highway speeds.

David

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 02:08 PM
Starting to sound like one of those Supra guys who wants to start the race brake boosting at highway speeds.

David

Those are the most fun, unless you have an AOD with non locking converter, then you have a less than ideal setup at any highway speed.

kenewagner
11-17-2010, 02:20 PM
You all crack me up. Same old discussion happens every winter. Over the same thing....Why do cobra owners took out their t-56s out to put Autos and solid rear ends....Because they are hardcore drag racers.....More Autos were made on our platform so 1/4mile drag racing seems to be the only performance benchmark that this club has created. It is the only somewhat consistent way of comparing other cars alike in the club. I get it and Ive been forced to conform to this style of competition mainly because that is the only sanctioned event thats supported in this club and that can compare our cars performance The dyno is another tool but support for that as a comparison tool also has taken a back seat, too many excuses and variables. different gears, loads, factors. Ect. So this club strong supporters dont see it as usefull comparison. But god there is more to a car then a 1/4 mile slip. I continue to watch shows like Top Gear, Supercars Exposed, Battle of the super cars, rallys, autocross and roadracing events and I feel like the only thing that they all have in common is POWER, the more power the better to a point ofcourse. But there are other tools. 0-60 times, 0-120, 60-100, 0-100-0, slalom are all things that some cars do better then others how about street tires, what ever happen to running a car in street trim knowing what the car will do against another street car. So what makes your car and what makes you happy is whats important. To me my car is not enough to compete with heavy weights but thats cause we keep seeing HP wars and till Insurance or Gas takes a toll on that. More and more powerful cars will be produced from Germany, Detroit and Japan. Plain and simple.


You crack me up:D:D:D The comparrisions in this thread are about the 1/4 mile, mostly:rolleyes: Dont know anyone in the club more 1/4 mile blooded than Casey and I agree the 1/4 mile is very important in this club. Dynos, after about 100 times on a dyno I concluded it makes almost no sense to compare dynos. They all throw out diffrent numbers and like you said comparing a manuals numbers to a nonlocker AOD, not comparing apples to apples. On the 1/4 mile one has to leave on time and one finishes faster than the other. Timed to a 1000 of a second, how much more accurate can you be. Than in comes Japan and germany to the disscussion. I am satisfied with our little part of the world for now;)

Ken

BLOWN38
11-17-2010, 02:25 PM
You all crack me up. Same old discussion happens every winter. Over the same thing....Why do cobra owners took out their t-56s out to put Autos and solid rear ends....Because they are hardcore drag racers.....More Autos were made on our platform so 1/4mile drag racing seems to be the only performance benchmark that this club has created. It is the only somewhat consistent way of comparing other cars alike in the club. I get it and Ive been forced to conform to this style of competition mainly because that is the only sanctioned event thats supported in this club and that can compare our cars performance The dyno is another tool but support for that as a comparison tool also has taken a back seat, too many excuses and variables. different gears, loads, factors. Ect. So this club strong supporters dont see it as usefull comparison. But god there is more to a car then a 1/4 mile slip. I continue to watch shows like Top Gear, Supercars Exposed, Battle of the super cars, rallys, autocross and roadracing events and I feel like the only thing that they all have in common is POWER, the more power the better to a point ofcourse. But there are other tools. 0-60 times, 0-120, 60-100, 0-100-0, slalom are all things that some cars do better then others how about street tires, what ever happen to running a car in street trim knowing what the car will do against another street car. So what makes your car and what makes you happy is whats important. To me my car is not enough to compete with heavy weights but thats cause we keep seeing HP wars and till Insurance or Gas takes a toll on that. More and more powerful cars will be produced from Germany, Detroit and Japan. Plain and simple.

I do need to get the car back on street tires and see what it does on the drag trip. Previosly it was a 12.50 with alot less power than now.

My 0-60 was 2.9 seconds on the 10.80 run, 0-100 was 7.03sec, 0-120 = 10.15, 60-100 = 4.13. How do I compare to the supercars? And it took .25 for the car to start moving after I matted the gas.;)

fturner
11-17-2010, 03:47 PM
I'll take on those turblow cars on the road course up the road from me, even with my AOD setup... we'll see who has the best times then, or even if they can stay on the track... those bends are tight and close together :).

Fraser

David Neibert
11-17-2010, 04:03 PM
Those are the most fun, unless you have an AOD with non locking converter, then you have a less than ideal setup at any highway speed.

I can't race motorcycles running Autobahn speeds, but I can get up to around 140 at WOT 3rd gear, which is plenty for most cars on the road. My turbo car is good for a little more MPH, but it doesn't really matter because it just spins the tires. Other than the occasional few seconds of wide open throttle just to make sure it's still running right, I don't drive either one fast on the street.

I'm afraid of getting accused of street racing when I'm just seeing how fast the car is, or testing some new part. Last time I got caught doing a burnout, I got a ticket for careless & imprudent driving that cost a bunch to get fixed.

David

nickleman60
11-17-2010, 04:12 PM
I'm like you David, I don't street race or haul azz either. I've either grown too old or just have ALOT of common sense. Take it to the track fellas...........

neverfastenough
11-17-2010, 04:59 PM
Keith, not talking about fast and the furious, spray painting lines racing down main street here. I kno 60 rolls down the highway like supras is far from legal. However, I remember 09 shootout your car flying down the road the track was on getting some data logs in. I see that no different other than the fact theres not another car next to you. Now yes, another car adds some risk, if one gets loose etc, but if you do it on the higway, 2am ish, empty road, its really no different than getting loose on the drag strip, either place youre either going to hit the car youre racing, or the cement wall. I dont want to start a street racing battle on here tho, so ill stop. Id still like to run zimmerly tho:p

Edit, missed your Reply David, I have that same fear also. I rarely do quick pulls anymore, its too risky getting a ticket, and Ive gotten too many. But if Im on an empty stretch of highway at night, that I know, and some punk rolls up on me and 3 honks it, I have too hard of a time resisting. Ive actually only gotten one SPEEDING ticket in my life, which may come surprising with my lead food, However, Ive gotten the bad end of a quick red light pull several times, 4 reckless operation tickets.

Toms-SC
11-17-2010, 06:46 PM
This thread is pretty bad now. Just sayin'.

kenewagner
11-17-2010, 07:59 PM
This thread is pretty bad now. Just sayin'.


It is off course a little isnt it:rolleyes::D:D:D

Ken