MM&FF Birds of Prey SC Buildup

[Wanted1990SC]

Got the new July MM&FF today and there is a Super Coupe build up. The article is called Birds of Prey. Just did some basic stuff, but they said "perhaps we'll continue the hunt (for 300 rwhp) in future issues".

[BraneRift]

What is MM&FF ?

[SRT-4]

I cant find it on the web page.

[Kurt K]

What is MM&FF ?

Muscle Mustangs & Fast Fords

[Wanted1990SC]

They are getting parts from Bill at SCP for the buildup.

[SRT-4]

They are getting parts from Bill at SCP for the buildup.


Well then the only parts they need to get 300 HP is

10% pulley and some good plug wires lol

[XxSlowpokexX]

They are so getting an email!

[AMD[H]unter]

Got the new July MM&FF today and there is a Super Coupe build up. The article is called Birds of Prey. Just did some basic stuff, but they said "perhaps we'll continue the hunt (for 300 rwhp) in future issues".

Orly? Where is it on the website?

[David Neibert]

Who's car is it ?

David

[Wanted1990SC]

It's not on a website, but I can take it to work and scan it in tomorrow if you guys want. I don't think they said who's car it is, but it's a 1990 5 speed with 180,000 miles. On super flow chassis dyno it made baseline of 192 hp and 265 lb-ft of torque.

[SRT-4]

It's not on a website, but I can take it to work and scan it in tomorrow if you guys want. I don't think they said who's car it is, but it's a 1990 5 speed with 180,000 miles. On super flow chassis dyno it made baseline of 192 hp and 265 lb-ft of torque.

Does it show the car? maybe a baseline 1/4 mile run..........gateway?

[AMD[H]unter]

It's not on a website, but I can take it to work and scan it in tomorrow if you guys want. I don't think they said who's car it is, but it's a 1990 5 speed with 180,000 miles. On super flow chassis dyno it made baseline of 192 hp and 265 lb-ft of torque.

I will get my issue here soon, so dont scan it yet. :D

[Wanted1990SC]

Does it show the car? maybe a baseline 1/4 mile run..........gateway?

Yeah, it's a dark blue one. the article is written by Richard Holdener, but no 1/4 mile baseline that I saw.

[Ken Seegers]

They are so getting an email!


Why are you disappointed they did not take one of yours? :p

later
Ken

[rbrown]

I've got one they could have used.

[seawalkersee]

Huh...I wonder if I should send them an e-mail too.

Chris

[XxSlowpokexX]

I have freinds that write for them...Thats why i'm personally sending an email...Noone mentioned it to me I had no idea the article was even comming out

[XxSlowpokexX]

Why are you disappointed they did not take one of yours?


Its always been like that..I have a car and the car just isnt what they use...It was my fox bodied cougars..Then My Tbirds....Then 5 years later they start putting those cars in the mag. My cars always seem to be a few years ahead of the curve. Ehh welllllll

[David Neibert]

Drat !! I got halfway thru the article that was posted before it got deleted. Suprised to see the statement about there being rumors of some SCs making over 300 rwhp but they haven't confirmed it.

Geeze...300 rwhp SCs are so common these days that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow around here.

David

[Toms-SC]

Whoa that other thread got nuked quick. :confused:

[Toms-SC]

After reading the first page I can say;

Awful, would not read again C----

They really did not look into the car at all and theres a fair bit of mis information. The car looks super duper beat too. They swapped to a K&N panel filter and got 8 hp at the wheels! :eek: Their bolt ons included the following:

C&L Meter
K&N Cone Intake
5% Supercharger Pulley
5% Jack shaft Pulley
Flow master cat back with some sort of a center resonator (no mention of the cats)

195 HP -> 230 HP (+35)
287 Torque -> 332 Torque (+45)

[Ira R.]

Title says it all.......

Muscle Mustangs......... not other Fords that can occassionally kick their butts with moderate amount of attention :rolleyes:


Ira

[Pablo94SC]

I've read enough of their mags while sitting on the porcelain throne to know that they are a typical media outlet... sensationalize everything (good or bad) to fit their agenda.

[XxSlowpokexX]

Suprised to see the statement about there being rumors of some SCs making over 300 rwhp but they haven't confirmed it.


Doesnt suprise me..Being an east coast based magazine and no real enthusiasm at any of the extremely poorly organaized SC related events they may hold they have nothing to judge on..Funny thing though I believe at least at the first SC event they held about 4 or 5 years ago there were quite a few 300rwhp plus cars there.....

They are going to blow that thing up

[ThunderDave]

Geeze...300 rwhp SCs are so common these days that it doesn't even raise an eyebrow around here.

I'll be happy when I get to 300 hp at the crank. :rolleyes:

[gldiii]

You cannot post current articles without permission from the magazine. Ford Builder had recently asked us not to do that and I am sure other magazines have "rules" as well on reprinting articles.

Once these articles have been out a while the SCCoA will request permission to have them on our site. Right now you need to either buy the magazine to support their efforts to feature our cars or read it at the library or a friend's house. We will not be display current articles on this site without permission.

[David Neibert]

I'll be happy when I get to 300 hp at the crank. :rolleyes:

David,

Of the 8 SCs in this picture, 5 of them are making more than 300 rwhp.

http://i191.photobucket.com/albums/z84/Micahdogg/100_4758.jpg

David

[Ira R.]

Five of the SCs in this picture taken over the weekend at WFC X are making more than 300 rwhp.

David

Sure David, just rub it in.........
Of course, I understand you St Louis guys are somewhat special so this comes as no surprise :eek: :p ;) :D


Ira

[Wanted1990SC]

You cannot post current articles without permission from the magazine. Ford Builder had recently asked us not to do that and I am sure other magazines have "rules" as well on reprinting articles.

Once these articles have been out a while the SCCoA will request permission to have them on our site. Right now you need to either buy the magazine to support their efforts to feature our cars or read it at the library or a friend's house. We will not be display current articles on this site without permission.

Oops...sorry didn't even think about the legal issues of posting the article.

[Nettlesd]

Is the truck one?

[EECDOC]

Back in the day of the Bullitt Mustang, circa 2001, I was one of the first to put together a list of parts to swap this new manifold onto the PI headed 2 Valve engines. I sold manifolds to some of my Mustang buddies up in the NY/NJ area. Next thing I know the editors of a Ford magazine were calling me about the Bullitt Mustang swap kit to do an article on. I priced them the kit at near cost at the time. Got a call back, " no you don't understand, we want you to donate the parts in exchange for us mentioning your dealerships name in the article". That was not my call and it did not fly back then with my higher ups. They did the article with parts from some one else, Of coarse they used my parts list I set them. I'd bet if SCP is supplying parts for this it's the same deal.

Just telling a story here.......:rolleyes:

[XR7 Dave]

Sure David, just rub it in.........
Of course, I understand you St Louis guys are somewhat special so this comes as no surprise :eek: :p ;) :D


Ira

What's the problem Ira? You have 2 SC's that make over 300rwhp yourself. :eek:

[XR7 Dave]

MM&FF witnessed 3 300+rwhp cars at their own "Shootout for the Birds". Mine, Gary's and Chris Lazzo's cars all ran fast enough to prove we had 300rwhp or more.

[Ira R.]

What's the problem Ira? You have 2 SC's that make over 300rwhp yourself. :eek:

Just breakin' his chops. Not everyone is making 300 rhp. On top of that, every region has their own thing. In St Louis, they all have 300+ rhp and get tother regularly.

In NY we talk about when to meet and have great plans but most of the cars don't run. Well, most of the cars ;)

btw - bit the bullitt, promised myself I would not buy new O2 sensors yet, so I tinted the windows yesterday instead. Looks great. The guys at the shop say Hi! and still talk about the little V6 that could.

I didn't tell them about the next time we need the dyno :rolleyes: :D

Ira

[ScrapSC]

Yeh, my wifes car makes over 300 to the wheels and has been detuned to death. My car ran like butt and still made 300 to the wheels at 4000 rpm.... with some horrible belt slip... Kills me how they write those type of articles about our cars... "Rumored 300 to the rear wheels"
If someone is able to contact them it would be nice for them to at least do a follow up article with a few of the SC's on here that straight up kick azz.......

[XR7 Dave]

I've been noticing that the east coast is really coming alive. Let's see...

Paul - over 200rwhp
Ira - 2 cars over 300rwhp
Don - over 300rwhp
Doug - over 300rwhp
Ricardo - over 300rwhp
Chris - well over 300rwhp
Joe - well over 300rwhp
Anthony - well over 300rwhp
Jim - well over 300rwhp
Vic - well over 300rwhp
Jason - well over 300rwhp
Mike - over 400rwhp
Brian - over 400rwhp
Damon - over 500rwhp

And who else has a fast car out there? I know I'm missing some....

[XxSlowpokexX]

Miller has 250rwhp and may be surpassing 300 with a tune..And you can take me off that list as I dont see my car ever making that kind of power again..seriously

[David Neibert]

Just breakin' his chops. Not everyone is making 300 rhp. On top of that, every region has their own thing. In St Louis, they all have 300+ rhp and get tother regularly.

In NY we talk about when to meet and have great plans but most of the cars don't run. Well, most of the cars


Ira,

Only two of those cars were from St. Louis (Me & Kurt)...Tony is from Chicago, Micah is from Springfeild, IL and Doug is from Michigan. Other cars were from Kansas City, somewhere in Wisconsin and Ohio. It was actually a TBU gathering.

Your correct about us St. Louis guys having regular get togethers and some pretty good running cars. Mainly because we help each other turn wrenches and share info. Wait until you see the SC Chris Wise is currently building and I'm helping with......should be ready for the Shootout.

David

[Ira R.]

Ira,

Only two of those cars were from St. Louis (Me & Kurt)...Tony is from Chicago, Micah is from Springfeild, IL and Doug is from Michigan. Other cars were from Kansas City, somewhere in Wisconsin and Ohio. It was actually a TBU gathering.

Your correct about us St. Louis guys having regular get togethers and some pretty good running cars. Mainly because we help each other turn wrenches and share info. Wait until you see the SC Chris Wise is currently building and I'm helping with......should be ready for the Shootout.

David

Yea, I know. I'm just jealous. :D I know that everyone's not local. Heck, the New Jersey guys aren't that far from me and it's always a pleasure hanging with them. And the Mid Atlantic crew still lets me hang around occassionally. Then Carlisle comes around and I can't get the time off.

My biggest issue is still not having the time to enjoy it that's all. But I'll just keep plugging away on the cars here, breaking stuff and making life miserable for everyone who lends a helping hand. ;) It's what I do best.

Ira

[XxSlowpokexX]

Wait until you see the SC Chris Wise is currently building and I'm helping with......should be ready for the Shootout.


TURBO BABAY! :O)

Well I once again have no operational SC's hahaha..Doesnt suprise me one bit however

[ThunderDave]

David,

Of the 8 SCs in this picture, 5 of them are making more than 300 rwhp.



I don't doubt that. I know it's almost common now for someone to have that much hp. The Rock was just smelling what "you" were cooking. ;)

[Dahoopd]

I've been noticing that the east coast is really coming alive. Let's see...

Paul - over 200rwhp
Ira - 2 cars over 300rwhp
Don - over 300rwhp
Doug - over 300rwhp
Ricardo - over 300rwhp
Chris - well over 300rwhp
Joe - well over 300rwhp
Anthony - well over 300rwhp
Jim - well over 300rwhp
Vic - well over 300rwhp
Jason - well over 300rwhp
Mike - over 400rwhp
Brian - over 400rwhp
Damon - over 500rwhp

And who else has a fast car out there? I know I'm missing some....



If.......My car ran it might be on the list. But than again, If........my Aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.

[Kurt K]

If.......My car ran it might be on the list. But than again, If........my Aunt had balls, she would be my uncle.Reminds me of a joke with the punch line "Relative Humidity". :D

I guess I didn't read the article as derogatory as most people here appear to have taken it. I guess the "alledged 300 rwhp" still hurts, but I'd actually like to see them proceed with their testing. Maybe there will be a second wind of people wanting to buy these car and push there value up :rolleyes: I can dream, can't I?

[rbrown]

Value is in the eye... well you know.

Where can I get the July issue? All I can find is the June still.
Maybe I'll look more places.

[XxSlowpokexX]

We should send in a surge of letters..Not that it would matter

[Kevin Varnes]

Are they going to pursue this into any type of serious build? That mod list looks like it's about 10 years old. I'm surprised they didn't cut the bridge out of a 70mm MAF and stick that on there instead. Not that I could give a crap about what that magazine prints. They've ignored this car for 18 years. I'm not going to go out and subscribe because they put an overdrive pulley on a car.

[XxSlowpokexX]

No they havnt ignored it alltogether. I did manage to get that SC shootout going quite a few years ago and SC's have been invited to take part in many MM&FF events since then (and have).

I say they blow it up...We should have a poll

[tbirdaj]

Really liked Adams Yo Ken letter on pg 36 titled Thundering Tbird.

[kws6000]

We should send in a surge of letters..Not that it would matter

Why? Who cares?

[David Neibert]

Really liked Adams Yo Ken letter on pg 36 titled Thundering Tbird.

I saw that too...just wondering who he is. I don't recall a 12 second 4.6 T-Bird at the Dayton meet or the Shootout driven by anyone named Adam.

David

[XxSlowpokexX]

Why? Who cares?


If you dont care..Then you wont have to bother. But if you feel getting magazine coverage may bring something good,,Then you would care

[SRT-4]

I'm a St Louis area person..........I hope That a MPX/Head/Cam/N20 can can get 300 HP :rolleyes:

[Wanted1990SC]

I'm waiting on my MPx and other stuff. Hopefully I may be able to crack 300 rwhp too! :)

[Dirtyd0g]

I just wanted to know who's car it was. I thought the article looked good.
Alan

[DLF]

No they havnt ignored it alltogether. I did manage to get that SC shootout going quite a few years ago and SC's have been invited to take part in many MM&FF events since then (and have).

I say they blow it up...We should have a poll

I agree, and I'm sick and tired of them not asking any of us locals that know them.... Gotta mention it to Evan next time I see him at the track. :mad:

[XxSlowpokexX]

Doug your alive!...YEah I just dont understand..They know who we are and I even have a childhood freind that works for them>>>Makes no sence...BTW..Cobra conversion #2 on my other 94 SC thanks to your writeup!

[DLF]

Doug your alive!...YEah I just dont understand..They know who we are and I even have a childhood freind that works for them>>>Makes no sence...BTW..Cobra conversion #2 on my other 94 SC thanks to your writeup!


Yup, still kickin'. Building a new stainless steel exhaust for the SC, so I won't make Carlisle this year. Was pretty busy the last year with the new house and building my dream garage.

Saw your post on the car, congrats! :)

[Kurt K]

Yup, still kickin'. Building a new stainless steel exhaust for the SC, so I won't make Carlisle this year. Was pretty busy the last year with the new house and building my dream garage.

Saw your post on the car, congrats! :)

Doug, I don't want to hijack the MM&FF bashing, so I sent you a PM about your lift.

[Micahdogg]

I don't know why people are so bent on getting MM&FF's endorsement. They made up their mind about the SC from day one. Whatever half azzed effort they have ever made to showcase SC performance has usually been detrimental anyway. Meanwhile, people like Ford Builder DO CARE about the SC and this community.

P.S. MM&FF would routinely drive through the WFC showfield. All they had to do was stop their golf cart (or at least slow down) by the rows of SC's and actually take a look at some. Year after year they just drive by, offer a quick glance and keep going.

[Nettlesd]

I don't recall a 12 second 4.6 T-Bird at the Dayton meet or the Shootout driven by anyone named Adam.

David

Maybe it was driven by Eve?

[David Neibert]

Nettlesd must be dealt with :cool:

David

PS: I want my sunglasses back ;)

[thunderbird96]

mustang= second rate t-bird and they know there are people like johhny langton that make mustang owners look stupid at the track. they are just jealous of us same motor 4.6 all there speed parts bolt over and we have more room and cheaper insurance. I say ~~~~ a puss stang and the parents that by there kids v6 mustangs and cruise around like there hot ~~~~.

[XxSlowpokexX]

I own a mustang and very few Tbirds make it look silly at the track>>and I hav ebarely any money into it..Of course I love my tbird much more

[Thunder427]

That is a reason I like playing with my SC.

The Less coverage the better. The more misconceptions, the better.

It keeps things grassroots, keeps a tight knit community ( as most of us all know each other or at least with 2 degrees of separation or communicate in some alternate aside from a forum )

I have always been a firm believer in this car being an "underground" segment.

I can't imagine if I owned something so cliche' as a mustang.. ick.


at least for a daily driver fun car that is... not just a shell for a rat motor.

[XxSlowpokexX]

An SC will never be cliche..There just arnt enough of em..

I dont mind coverage if it will lead to parts being made or my car becoming more valuable!