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thunderkid84
06-18-2007, 01:23 AM
heres my setup. just posting this for ppl making their own custom FMIC setup (and for comments on mine :) ). so they can get an idea for what they wanna do.

i went with an intercooler off ebay, dimensions are 20"x12.25"x3.5". it was almost a perfect fit in there, i didnt have to do any cutting. just used some brackets, nuts and bolts from lowe's. cost $225 shipped.


for the tubing i bought some various bends. 2mm thick and 2 of each : straight, 90*, 75*, 45*. came with 6 silicone couplers and 12 t-bolt clamps. i only used 2-45's, 1 straight and one 75. but i did have to buy 2 45* silicone couplers to finish it up. cost was about $140 shipped.

finished it up by slapping the fan from my stock IC on there. 8" 800CFM. i also grinded down the return plenum flange so it would take a coupler and took the collar nut off the sc top.

scale of 1 to 10 i would say it was a 6. just a little bit of ingenuity had to go into it.

let me know what u guys think. i'll be glad to answer any questions about your own projects too.

-Jason

nickleman60
06-18-2007, 07:25 AM
i bought the same i/c and piping kit so your install gives me ideas on what i'm gonna do. the install looks good, i just don't like using 90 degree couplings because they collapse under boost. let us know how good of a job it does.:D

f2tmx6
06-18-2007, 07:30 AM
i bought the same i/c and piping kit so your install gives me ideas on what i'm gonna do. the install looks good, i just don't like using 90 degree couplings because they collapse under boost. let us know how good of a job it does.:D

they wouuldnt collapse under boost. IF anytthing they'd expand. but if you have three or four ply you should be fine

nickleman60
06-18-2007, 08:30 AM
they wouuldnt collapse under boost. IF anytthing they'd expand. but if you have three or four ply you should be fine

i beg to differ with you, a while back when quick35th installed his liquid to air i/c his video showed them collapsing almost flat.

92sclikenew
06-18-2007, 08:41 AM
nice setup man i just dont wanna go this route..:rolleyes: :rolleyes: ;) :D

Toms-SC
06-18-2007, 08:42 AM
Your going to want to do something about that hot air intake.

XR7 Dave
06-18-2007, 08:50 AM
Looks great! Not sure how well that IC will perform though.

92sclikenew
06-18-2007, 08:58 AM
Your going to want to do something about that hot air intake.

oh i want a front mount no matter what just not the route he went is what i ment.. :eek: :eek: :rolleyes: ;) :D

Kevin Leitem
06-18-2007, 09:52 AM
i beg to differ with you, a while back when quick35th installed his liquid to air i/c his video showed them collapsing almost flat.

under vacuum they can collapse, especially while the engine is decelerating. but under boost they are pressurised. and can not collapse.

nickleman60
06-18-2007, 10:14 AM
Not sure how well that IC will perform though.

why do you say that?

thunderkid84
06-18-2007, 12:22 PM
Looks great! Not sure how well that IC will perform though.

I kinda see where you're coming from.

i talked to Dave N. about this IC and he said he knew mustang's with the same setup and they were making big hp #'s.

f2tmx6
06-18-2007, 04:59 PM
under vacuum they can collapse, especially while the engine is decelerating. but under boost they are pressurised. and can not collapse.

thats what i'm saying. if they're collapsing under boost there's issue's. i'm not unfamiliar to f/i vehicles at all,haveing had five of them. i've seen the stock rubber hose's on my probes intercoolr expand greatly under 16lbs. i've yet to see anything collapse under boost though,i'd like to see this video

nickleman60
06-18-2007, 07:23 PM
<a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4eead411-d188-4a72-8e92-98a800d25f90.htm" target="_blank"><img src="http://thumbs.vidiac.com/4eead411-d188-4a72-8e92-98a800d25f90.jpg" width="115" height="86"></a><br><a href="http://videos.streetfire.net/video/4eead411-d188-4a72-8e92-98a800d25f90.htm" target="_blank">Click to see Video</a>

not sure if i paste the video right... you were right, at vacuum they collapsed

TwoToneThunder
06-18-2007, 07:39 PM
dave what are your opinions with this setup
can it produce 350 rwhp?

XR7 Dave
06-18-2007, 07:48 PM
dave what are your opinions with this setup
can it produce 350 rwhp?His setup should be good for about 250rwhp. A short run IC isn't typically enough for an eaton at high boost and his motor is otherwise pretty much stock.

f2tmx6
06-18-2007, 07:51 PM
i'd like to see those couplers when the cars on a dyno..my guess is if they're collapsing under vac,than under boost they'd expand??? thats crazy though,i've never seen that. my friend was running some cheap ebay couplers on his turbo probe,on the dyno at 25psi from a gt35r turbo one of his 90* couplers popped a hole in it:eek:

thunderkid84
06-19-2007, 12:29 AM
His setup should be good for about 250rwhp. A short run IC isn't typically enough for an eaton at high boost and his motor is otherwise pretty much stock.

damn only 250 ? i was hoping to (eventually) make at least 300 rwhp with this IC setup.

people have run low 13's with the stock IC setup. i'd like to think mine's a big improvement over stock.

Tickler
06-19-2007, 02:51 AM
How much bigger than the stock intercooler is this?

nickleman60
06-19-2007, 07:00 AM
damn only 250 ? i was hoping to (eventually) make at least 300 rwhp with this IC setup.

people have run low 13's with the stock IC setup. i'd like to think mine's a big improvement over stock.

i bought the same i/c and the company i purchased it from says it'll support 650 hp so i think saying it'll only support 250 rwhp is kinda on the low side. i plan on pushing 300-340 rwhp with my new round of mods with this i/c + a puller fan. the size, new location in front of the radiator plus relocating the lower tube away from the exhaust manifold ought to be worth something.:confused:

David Neibert
06-19-2007, 08:48 AM
damn only 250 ? i was hoping to (eventually) make at least 300 rwhp with this IC setup.

people have run low 13's with the stock IC setup. i'd like to think mine's a big improvement over stock.

I think your new intercooler is going to work just fine.

David

Daspanka
06-19-2007, 07:32 PM
Looks great. There's definatley a school of thought that prefers that style of IC, particulaly for 1/4 mile runs. Corky Bell in the book "Supercharged" flat out prefers the long tank-short core type of IC and explains the benifits in detail. If I'm not mistaken, the stock '96-87' Buick Gran National IC's are a similar design, although I think the inlets are on oposite ends. I personally prefer the short tank-long core (ricer style)design. I have learned the hard way, don't expect big HP gains from just the IC, though. A good FMIC will help maintain HP because it won't tend to heat soak like the stock. It will also help support your other mods by keeping the ACT cooler as you shove more air through. But it's not the 50HP bolt-on a lot of guys expect.
Here's a great article I ran across the other night on one of the BGN sites:

http://www.gnttype.org/techarea/turbo/intercooler.html

Really just a different prospective on information that we have hashed over before. But the guy does address something I haven't seen addressed before. That is the "stable" temperature of the IC under sustained boost, which might be quite high, but a normal part of the "heat sinking" process.

XR7 Dave
06-19-2007, 08:33 PM
i bought the same i/c and the company i purchased it from says it'll support 650 hp so i think saying it'll only support 250 rwhp is kinda on the low side. i plan on pushing 300-340 rwhp with my new round of mods with this i/c + a puller fan. the size, new location in front of the radiator plus relocating the lower tube away from the exhaust manifold ought to be worth something.:confused:

You'll need all those improvement to compensate for the lack of cooling capability of the IC core itself. You'll also have to be much more conservative with your tune to avoid detonation. Sure that IC can support a lot of HP. So can a 3" round tube, but it won't cool much either.

David Neibert
06-19-2007, 11:24 PM
You'll need all those improvement to compensate for the lack of cooling capability of the IC core itself. You'll also have to be much more conservative with your tune to avoid detonation. Sure that IC can support a lot of HP. So can a 3" round tube, but it won't cool much either.

Dave,

Why don't you think that style of intercooler/core will effectively cool the air charge ? I've read lots of articles that indicated that the long tanks with a relatively short vertical core cooled just as well as a narrower longer horizontal flow core but with less pressure drop. I also see that same style intercooler being used with several turbo kits and centrifical blower kits.

David

XxSlowpokexX
06-19-2007, 11:33 PM
I haveea long tank short core spearco IC in my v8 turbo kit. I think its all a compramise. You will most likely get less pressure drop througha short core long tank design (due to less of a core) and better cooling from a short tank long core (due to more cooling surface.)

The compramise is in size an dfitment. Ultimately I would assume there is a PERFECT size for each application dependant on flow and cooling needs.

Miller
06-20-2007, 01:50 AM
FWIW, my buddy has a IC similar in shapoe, being long and not tall, and his inlet will be hot and outlet, veeeery cool.....his cars a 1.8t gti w/ a fully built motor and alot of hp.....but I dont know howit can vary between it being on the gti and such, I just figured hot in, cold out meant it was doin ok

thunderkid84
06-20-2007, 02:32 AM
I haveea long tank short core spearco IC in my v8 turbo kit. I think its all a compramise. You will most likely get less pressure drop througha short core long tank design (due to less of a core) and better cooling from a short tank long core (due to more cooling surface.)

The compramise is in size an dfitment. Ultimately I would assume there is a PERFECT size for each application dependant on flow and cooling needs.

thats the compromise i had to make. i didnt want to hack up my radiator support to do a long run (horizontal) IC. and i've read also about there being a slight "lag" (if u wanna call it that) with a bigger and longer IC.

im happy with mine. its not the stock crap anymore. its catching fresh air, its more efficient, and again, the lower tube is away from the manifold.

Regul8r
09-21-2009, 11:36 AM
[QUOTE]
Originally Posted by DamonSlowpokeBaumann
I haveea long tank short core spearco IC in my v8 turbo kit. I think its all a compramise. You will most likely get less pressure drop througha short core long tank design (due to less of a core) and better cooling from a short tank long core (due to more cooling surface.)

The compramise is in size an dfitment. Ultimately I would assume there is a PERFECT size for each application dependant on flow and cooling needs.

thats the compromise i had to make. i didnt want to hack up my radiator support to do a long run (horizontal) IC. and i've read also about there being a slight "lag" (if u wanna call it that) with a bigger and longer IC.

im happy with mine. its not the stock crap anymore. its catching fresh air, its more efficient, and again, the lower tube is away from the manifold. [QUOTE]

So there is the question I would like to know!
WHAT IS THE PERFECT IC?
Forget the tubing problems, fitment, cooling air flow in etc...
What IC would you buy and why?
I mean if you could fit ANY IC you wanted in front of the radiator...
straight though long in/out opposite ends, size of in/out tubes, you name it... WHAT AND WHY?


BTW... GREAT LOOKING SET UPS y'all have!

thunderkid84
09-21-2009, 12:15 PM
the best, in my opinion, would have to be a long run (horizontal) intercooler BUT, with the inlet and outlet in the middle of the end tanks.

BECERRASC
09-21-2009, 11:49 PM
i like this much better then others set up ....;)

i think it's better the other i have seen here ..... it's that i just don't like at all the one the sc outlet going between the fan and pullies where the fan blows all the HOT in to the line so if it's hot coming out the sc eventually it will get hotter going thru there ..... at least thats what i think....:rolleyes: ..... we are looking to get it cooler isn't .... so i TOTALLY agree with yours;)

thunderkid84
09-22-2009, 12:24 AM
i mounted it close to the radiator becuase thats just how it went in. kinda ended up being a good thing cuz when the rad fan turns on it really pulls air through the ic also. so its almost like i have a pusher and puller.

i have heat wrap around the lower tube. it reflects the heat very well.

Wagonman88
09-22-2009, 12:26 PM
Very nice setup!! I like it lots! :D

As for the "perfect" IC you need one that will not be so big your setup can't push the air through it but not so small it restricts flow. Think of the supercharger as the motor and the IC as your muffler and IC piping as the exhaust. You wouldn't put 4" exhaust on a stock 3.8l V6, but you don't want to run 1.5" either. Make sense?

To get a good compromise you have to make sure your IC has good surface area for cooling which is accomplished by small tanks, long cores. Long tanks and small cores work just fine but you need to make sure you are pushing enough through them for them to be beneficial. My buddy has an IC smaller than this one on his RX-7 and he's making 475whp (small tanks, long core).

I should draw some pics to represent the different flow characteristics of different types of IC's. I guess just remember that air will take the path of least resistance.

http://s793.photobucket.com/albums/yy220/Jhine5588/Misc/?action=view&current=cores.jpg

The top core is efficient and space saving, but can't run a whole lot of boost because it gets heat soaked easily. The second down is fantastic for high boost setups as it flows equally but has lots of surface area that needs to be covered. The third, which is this setup, is good for all around as it has lots of room for extra air to flow but doesn't NEED to flow through all of the core as in the second, designated by the larger and smaller arrows. The fourth is space saving, doesn't get heat soaked as much as the first because it dissipates heat throughout itself but might be a little "laggy" due to the increased surface area it needs to flow through. Power capabilities are near equal to the second but greater than the third. I'm going with this one personally.




Jeremy

thunderkid84
09-22-2009, 12:36 PM
Very nice setup!! I like it lots! :D

As for the "perfect" IC you need one that will not be so big your setup can't push the air through it but not so small it restricts flow. Think of the supercharger as the motor and the IC as your muffler and IC piping as the exhaust. You wouldn't put 4" exhaust on a stock 3.8l V6, but you don't want to run 1.5" either. Make sense?

Jeremy

That's y I went with 2.5" pipe instead of 3". I didn't want to go to small but I didn't want to hurt velocity of the air.

Wagonman88
09-22-2009, 12:55 PM
That's y I went with 2.5" pipe instead of 3". I didn't want to go to small but I didn't want to hurt velocity of the air.

In my opinion these superchargers don't flow enough for a full 3 inch stock, so good choice with the 2.5". It also leaves you a bit more room to negotiate things around.



Jeremy

Regul8r
09-22-2009, 04:18 PM
Spent a little time on Ebay looking and found this.
It says last one but I found A BUNCH like this.
Think it is the best one I have found so far.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190335333408&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

With the tube coming off the Blower on the Passenger side and back to the motor on the driver side, both of them running HIGH up and diverting air to run over the tubes as well as devoted air in the grill to the cooler.

thunderkid84
09-22-2009, 04:44 PM
thats the intercooler i was talking about as being the best one. IMO.

i would want one a little taller, maybe 8". so i can mount a fan on it.

but the end tanks arent too tall and the air would flow thru all of it instead of just the top or bottom.

CMac89
09-22-2009, 05:28 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/32-x-12-x-3-FMIC-JDM-Intercooler-Universal-31x12x3_W0QQitemZ400073307710QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMo tors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5d263a36 3e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

Put that in and forget about it. There aren't any other air-to-air IC's that will out do it for the price.

Wagonman88
09-23-2009, 02:07 AM
Spent a little time on Ebay looking and found this.
It says last one but I found A BUNCH like this.
Think it is the best one I have found so far.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190335333408&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

With the tube coming off the Blower on the Passenger side and back to the motor on the driver side, both of them running HIGH up and diverting air to run over the tubes as well as devoted air in the grill to the cooler.

This is the one I'm gonna get: http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=CXR&Product_Code=IC0010-30
It's also from CX racing, but it is designed for fox bodies, which my car is.



Jeremy

thunderkid84
09-24-2009, 05:48 PM
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/32-x-12-x-3-FMIC-JDM-Intercooler-Universal-31x12x3_W0QQitemZ400073307710QQcmdZViewItemQQptZMo tors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories?hash=item5d263a36 3e&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245

Put that in and forget about it. There aren't any other air-to-air IC's that will out do it for the price.

CMac, who says thats the best intercooler ?

not calling u a liar just wondering what makes it the best.

Ryan A Harris
09-24-2009, 06:27 PM
With all the different kinds, sizes and applications, it seems most opinios are based on what individuals are looking. I like what Cmac posted, a little larger than the other one, more surface area. A flow across the car is what I am looking for. I'm interested to see how one would choose an IC for a 300 hp(about once done) Super Coupe

CMac89
09-24-2009, 07:05 PM
For the price, it's the best you will get. That IC has a lot of surface area and volume to sufficiently heat exchange. I had one like it, only it was four inches thick. The inlet temperatures would stay ambient until I went to 35% OD, then it was about 15* above ambient. With methanol injection, it was 3* above.

Intake temperatures just are not a problem with the large intercoolers.

thunderkid84
09-24-2009, 10:38 PM
For the price, it's the best you will get. That IC has a lot of surface area and volume to sufficiently heat exchange. I had one like it, only it was four inches thick. The inlet temperatures would stay ambient until I went to 35% OD, then it was about 15* above ambient. With methanol injection, it was 3* above.

Intake temperatures just are not a problem with the large intercoolers.

wow nice.

where was it mounted, like how far in front of the radiator and how far down ?

are there any pics of it mounted ?

Regul8r
09-24-2009, 10:52 PM
CMAC

wondering if that big of a cooler would "cavitate" on the SC?
I mean THAT IS HUGE, like overkill for the SC.

I owuld think I want to keep it fairly close in flow size... I mean 2.5 in and the one I found seems to be big enough to benefit but not so big as to be overkill and possibly have reverse affects?

Maybe my personal opinion/theory is WAY OFF BASE!?

Wagonman88
09-24-2009, 11:02 PM
not so big as to be overkill and possibly have reverse affects?

Maybe my personal opinion/theory is WAY OFF BASE!?

Not way off, but you won't get reverse/adverse effects from too big of an intercooler, you will just see boost loss/creep. Boost creep is usually found in turbo cars where the wastegate can't open far enough to let all of the extra exhaust gasses flow through it and boosts the turbo a bit more. In this case you would be losing boost though as the supercharger is trying to push it through all of that surface area.

I know turbo guys have lose boost through too big of piping/too much piping/too big of intercooler but their boost is slightly more erratic than that of a supercharger so I would have to assume it would push through it at the low rpms (when the motor isn't consuming all of it) but once the motor starts to consume, the boost will "creep" down opposed to up on a turbo car.



Jeremy

CMac89
09-24-2009, 11:14 PM
Here's my IC setup. Worked very well and did not have noticeable boost drops.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=72229

Wagonman88
09-24-2009, 11:18 PM
Nice job! What other supporting mods do you have for this IC setup?

I've never been a fan of the big cross pipe leading from the one side of the car all the way to the other as it's more piping than is required and leaves more room for possible boost loss. That's just my discretion though.



Jeremy

thunderkid84
09-25-2009, 10:31 PM
Nice job! What other supporting mods do you have for this IC setup?

I've never been a fan of the big cross pipe leading from the one side of the car all the way to the other as it's more piping than is required and leaves more room for possible boost loss. That's just my discretion though.



Jeremy

like i said before, boost loss is not something you have to worry about with the eaton roots blower. it makes alot more heat than these newer forced incuction systems

i think that intercooler would probably be my second choice next to the "not so tall" one i talked about earlier.


CMac, what setup were u running with that intercooler ?

CMac89
09-25-2009, 11:36 PM
I was running ported heads, small cam, ported late model blower, MP inlet, 25% OD, and then other supporting mods (CAI, exhaust, blah blah.) I added methanol injection about two years after I finished the intercooler.

thunderkid84
09-26-2009, 12:03 AM
how "small" of a cam ?

and 25% OD !! what was max boost with that ? gotta be high !

CMac89
09-26-2009, 12:13 AM
It actually wasn't. It was 18psi. The late model blowers don't flow enough on the inlet side to get much more than that with ported heads and a cam. I think the blower needed rebuilt because the belts randomly started to slip on day and I never got the boost back until I put more OD to it. Aaaannddd yesss, this was after I built the FMIC.

The cam was 212*/220*, .531"/.539" on a 114 LSA.

thunderkid84
09-26-2009, 01:05 AM
It actually wasn't. It was 18psi. The late model blowers don't flow enough on the inlet side to get much more than that with ported heads and a cam. I think the blower needed rebuilt because the belts randomly started to slip on day and I never got the boost back until I put more OD to it. Aaaannddd yesss, this was after I built the FMIC.

The cam was 212*/220*, .531"/.539" on a 114 LSA.

Word. Is that considered a small cam? The duration isn't what I thought it would be with a .530-something lift.

That's about the exact cam I want in my car. Plus some monster ported heads and maybe bigger valves.

I put out 17psi with 10% od and everything on my member page. At 5% od I now make 14 psi. That tells me I'm leaving alot on the table not have a cam and good ported heads.

Did you ever dyno with the same setup cmac ?

CMac89
09-26-2009, 08:57 AM
I never went to the dyno with it, but I'm sure it was making around 330rwhp. I ran a best of a [email protected] ish. The DA was pretty low, so it was mostly around 12.50s at 2500 ft.

If I were you, I would run somewhere around a .550-.600 lift cam and a duration around 224*. You'll be a solid 12 second car, so don't worry about it too badly!

thunderkid84
09-26-2009, 11:21 AM
Man, I thought .600 lift would be way too much for a manual. Figured it wouldn't be able to idle.

My ultimate goal is about 350rwhp and I know the late model will get me there. But with a .600 cam i think I'd be well above 350.

David Neibert
09-26-2009, 11:33 AM
Man, I thought .600 lift would be way too much for a manual. Figured it wouldn't be able to idle.

My ultimate goal is about 350rwhp and I know the late model will get me there. But with a .600 cam i think I'd be well above 350.

The lift doesn't really cause problems with idle, it's the duration and amount of overlap that causes problems at idle. My idle is increased to about 970 rpms to keep it running with less than 10 inches of vacuum. It's got a pretty lumpy idle but smooths right out as quick as you give it some throttle.

David

rzimmerl
09-26-2009, 11:49 AM
My idle is increased to about 970 rpms to keep it running with less than 10 inches of vacuum. It's got a pretty lumpy idle but smooths right out as quick as you give it some throttle.


Ditto on that. We'll see what a late model blower and MP plenum can do with the same cam and heads about a week from now......hopefully...;)

thunderkid84
09-26-2009, 12:49 PM
Ditto on that. We'll see what a late model blower and MP plenum can do with the same cam and heads about a week from now......hopefully...;)

Ryan, what are the specs on your cam ?

Sounds like what you're doing is exactly what I want.


Dave, I bet your car sounds awesome at idle and wot.

CMac89
09-26-2009, 01:53 PM
David's right on.

I switched over to 256*/260*, .600" lift, though. We'll see how she likes it!

rzimmerl
09-26-2009, 02:17 PM
I believe same cam and heads minus the Yella Terra rockers as Dave. .610 lift 224/228

thunderkid84
09-26-2009, 05:12 PM
nice man, i can wait to see what that thing will do

thunderkid84
09-28-2009, 11:16 PM
One more thing, what's the highest lift cam anyone has heard of going in an SC ?

Cuz I thought .550 was pretty big

thunderkid84
10-04-2009, 07:28 PM
anyone know what the highest lift cam ever in an sc was ?

thunderkid84
10-07-2009, 09:09 PM
anyone ?

bueller.....bueller

David Neibert
10-07-2009, 11:26 PM
anyone know what the highest lift cam ever in an sc was ?

Doubt it was highest ever, but I know of one that was .625 lift with a 1.73 ratio rocker. I think the one in my new motor is .600 with a 1.73 rocker.

David

thunderkid84
10-08-2009, 06:40 AM
thanks Dave

i think I'll go with cmac and get somewhere between .550 & .600 lift when i do my cam next year (hopefully)

David Neibert
10-08-2009, 09:14 AM
thanks Dave

i think I'll go with cmac and get somewhere between .550 & .600 lift when i do my cam next year (hopefully)

Jason,

Suggest working with Dave Dalke to select/supply the best cam for your combo.

David

thunderkid84
10-08-2009, 11:36 AM
Jason,

Suggest working with Dave Dalke to select/supply the best cam for your combo.

David

thats what i'll be doing. i have no idea how to pick the right heads, cam, gear combo.

ganuolfthegrey
05-07-2010, 02:11 AM
well im going to to the fmic pictured in this thread. With my 375ml nozzel on my snow kit and the ic fan and the header wrap. it should not have any problems.

Silenced
05-07-2010, 09:50 AM
well im going to to the fmic pictured in this thread. With my 375ml nozzel on my snow kit and the ic fan and the header wrap. it should not have any problems.

Neat. :rolleyes:

ganuolfthegrey
05-07-2010, 11:46 AM
if you get the 88 bronco condensor do you need to have it evacuated or can i just let it fly.

I have 134a refrigerant conversion.

or do i need to change it for this setup?

Silenced
05-07-2010, 11:57 AM
if you get the 88 bronco condensor do you need to have it evacuated or can i just let it fly.

I have 134a refrigerant conversion.

or do i need to change it for this setup?

What the heck are you talking about, kid?

ganuolfthegrey
05-07-2010, 12:18 PM
to have room for the i.c tubes.

thunderkid84
10-20-2010, 12:13 PM
wow bringing back on old one. i've been in iraq for the last 5 months and totally missed this one.

have you finished your project ganuolfthegrey ?

DrFishbone
10-20-2010, 12:28 PM
wow bringing back on old one. i've been in iraq for the last 5 months and totally missed this one.

have you finished your project ganuolfthegrey ?

I think he has a different "project" to work on now! :eek: Right Jason?!?! :p

I'd forgot he was looking at this FMIC setup...don't think he had it done at the shootout.

fturner
10-20-2010, 01:13 PM
Sizing the right IC for the job is important as my recent tests show. It is possible to have too much restriction that causes a loss of potential air flow at the motor, and have power robbing pressure build up at the blower itself, which includes heat.

Having a too big IC can actually cause the same effect as well, as the blower will have to work at pushing enough air into the IC to flow the air through the core and back into the exit at the other side, and worse so if going from 3-1/2" sized tubing down to the 2-1/2" tubing that some folks like to do.

That cross flow IC shown at the beginning will cause a lot of back pressure at the blower, which means less air flow to the motor.

2-1/2" piping is more than adequate for 98% of the SC's out there, and going bigger is a waste and power robbing, especially if you are using the stock intake plenum.

Fraser

rapper33142
10-20-2010, 01:32 PM
So if i have a dic what would be a good set up. I have a ported 94-95 blower and i plan to run 10 -15% overdrive with dd portedheads and a 580lift cam .

ganuolfthegrey
10-20-2010, 02:31 PM
no never done it. I blew up my motor before i could get to it.:D

fturner
10-20-2010, 05:56 PM
So if i have a dic what would be a good set up. I have a ported 94-95 blower and i plan to run 10 -15% overdrive with dd portedheads and a 580lift cam .

At 10% you'd be ok but not ideal.... 15%, you can run it with a DIC, but is it ideal, nope. I'm running a ported 94 blower at 15% with ported heads larger valves and a somewhat the same lift wise in the cam and the DIC was holding me back at that point.

You'd be running alot of pressure at the blower that the motor won't see.

Fraser

rapper33142
10-20-2010, 06:24 PM
thanks................

thunderkid84
10-20-2010, 07:45 PM
Fraser, didn't u do some tests awhile back and found that anything more than 10% od on even a ported stock inlet plenum was bad ? I remember u doing some tests on that.

JR, do u have an MP inlet ?

rapper33142
10-20-2010, 08:10 PM
No i dont but i will be getting one !!!!!

CMac89
10-20-2010, 08:18 PM
Whenever I had an M90, I used 3" tubing on the hot side and 2.5" on the cold side. I lost 2psi, but some of that comes from the decrease in ACTs.

thunderkid84
10-20-2010, 08:30 PM
No i dont but i will be getting one !!!!!

U want mine ? Lol

rzimmerl
10-20-2010, 08:42 PM
There's an MP inlet for sale now in the For Sale forum.

fturner
10-20-2010, 10:12 PM
Fraser, didn't u do some tests awhile back and found that anything more than 10% od on even a ported stock inlet plenum was bad ? I remember u doing some tests on that.

JR, do u have an MP inlet ?

Its not efficient and creating a vacuum at the inlet of the SC will generate heat which will happen when you go over 10%. The stock inlet plenum will flow about 500cfm, which is close to 300rwhp, after that you need to go to the larger plenum.

Fraser

thunderkid84
10-24-2010, 11:48 AM
no never done it. I blew up my motor before i could get to it.:D

haha ! good stuff