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txsc
07-01-2007, 10:34 PM
I have had the idea for an official Restoration forum on the SCCoA club site for several months, and have discussed the idea, off and on, with a few members privately. There seems to be an increasing interest in original cars, and restoration-related topics, and I feel that this new forum could benefit the general membership by grouping all restoration-related information in one easy-to-find place. I would like to propose my ideas for this forum, then get your feedback to try and discern: 1) Is there enough interest to sustain this type of forum? 2) What does the membership want to see included in this forum?

One important point: The moderators (George, etc.) have the final decision regarding whether this forum does or does not get added, and their decision will be respected. Obviously, the addition of any site content means more work for the moderators. This post is only for the purpose of “due diligence” regarding whether there is enough interest within the membership body to warrant a separate forum dedicated to the discussion of restoration-related topics. If there appears to be enough interest from the membership, this information will prove valuable to the moderators in making their decision to add the new forum.

This, as a starting point, are my ideas regarding how the Restoration forum can uphold the “preservation” part of the mission statement on the title page of the club web site:

1) Discuss and document restoration procedures for those wishing to duplicate the factory appearance and function of their SC.

2) Identify and share new sources for OEM, NOS and obsolete parts, and restoration services.

3) Allow those wanting to perform restoration work to easily access owners with “benchmark” or “reference” cars for assistance.

4) Discuss dates, equipment, etc, to determine when options/colors/part vendors were introduced and phased out.

5) Anything else of a restoration topic that the members feel is valuable.

This forum will be a place to go for information on how the cars were originally manufactured, and how to return them to original condition. One won’t need to be building a points-correct car to take part, or gain value. Modified car owners will find this forum useful for specific information if they want to keep a certain part of their car correct, or find out how to undo previous modification work. Many members upgrade the engine/drive line/suspension, but want a stock appearing interior, for example. This will not be a place to “run down” modified cars; there is more than one way to enjoy the Super Coupe, and “modified vs. restored” arguments help no one. Likewise, it’s not the place to discuss the merits of upgrades or modifications; there is already ample forum space to cover those topics.

What I'm trying to do here, is get ahead of the curve on preservation of the SC. I've seen the same evolution in the past in my association with musclecars. They too were undervalued for years, then suddenly increased in interest and value, catching many by surprise. By the time that happened, we were playing "catch up" regarding information, parts, etc. I hope to gain knowledge and preserve cars while they're still relatively plentiful and inexpensive. I want to document and preserve before a lot of the cars/parts/information is lost forever. Also, by treating the SC as deserving of respect and preservation, we can, to some extent, drive exposure and values.

So, let me know your thoughts on this. Would you like to see restoration topics discussed in one place? Do you think it would be a valuable addition?

JD

THE BIRDMAN
07-02-2007, 12:40 AM
2) Identify and share new sources for OEM, NOS and obsolete parts, and restoration services.

I think it would be a nice addition.If for nothing else just for the above quote.


Jay

A1cntrler
07-02-2007, 01:11 AM
I am all for a section of the forum to discuss that type of information. I have spoken with JD about this in the recent past and he brought up the points he listed above.

Restoration can have several meanings to different people. One one end is Txsc, which is in search for someone who worked at Lorain during the assembly of his car in order to make sure grease pencil markings are correct for the way it came off the line (And also has compressed air from 1989 stashed away to fill his tires with, along with some from the state the car was delivered to (Was it MI??) to add to it to get the proper psi) and then there is myself who wants to appear stock, (not afraid to use non-Motorcraft parts/screws/bolts/regular compressed air from 2007 from Chesapeake, VA) I would like a place to discuss some things that I have had to PM JD to ask, and he usually has the answer, but I'm sure the information can be useful to someone else (I think our last discusson over PM had to do with the availabilty/appearance of the Motorcraft battery)

I'm for it. I would also hope it was placed in the General Forums. While it would be a good selling point for someone to join the site to gain access, many people with valuable information do not have paying memberships.

Here in VA the SC (1989) is a mere 7 years from being able to carry antique vehicle tags. Now is the time to start gathering information in one place that can be available in the near future when the SC market comes back around and someone "discovers" what we have known all along...

NY90RedSC
07-02-2007, 09:24 AM
I'm also all for it. I will be restoring my red 90 SC and it's going to need little things like window moldings, and there are alot of little nitnoid things that I know I'll have questions about when it comes time to tear this car down and restore it. With that being said though, my SC does have mods already done to the car. The battery is in the trunkg, there is a cold air intake installed, an aftermarket deck, little things like that. I won't be changing these things back to original, but I also will not be modifying the engine or drivetrain either.
With the wealth of knowledge here for these cars, I think it would be fantastic to have a place to share all this knowledge. I'm all for it and it's a great idea!!!! ;)

Dahoopd
07-02-2007, 09:41 AM
I agree completely, the forum would assist in the individuals that really enjoy and love their SC for what it is and what it should be. Look at the Buick GN. Of course the performance doesnt compare but the SC has way more technology and is a better car IMHO.

People that really want to raise the value of the SC and awareness need to understand that Performance is not the key. Keeping the car fully original and restored is. Hopefully help and the interest this will happen.

Its ideas like this and the effort others are doing to try and make Carlilse better thats going to push everything into place I think. But thats just me.

CaifanSC
07-02-2007, 03:01 PM
Wouldn't it be beneficial to link the actual restoration of the AWD SC to this forum? As far as I know the purpose for that vehicle is to have it restored to its original SC state regardless of the AWD-specific modifications to it. Just a thought.

shadow357x2
07-02-2007, 06:21 PM
Good idea, I gotten away from doing the high performance mods anymore. Ive done one thats fine with me and runs great, but the last few Ive gotten I do plan on a complete original SC.
I'd like to see a forum added to the board for the above mentioned purposes for all to enjoy and take part in.


S

fast Ed
07-03-2007, 08:54 AM
Excellent idea. I agree that we should do a separate forum in the members section for restoration info specifically.


cheers
Ed N.

NY90RedSC
07-03-2007, 09:01 AM
I agree completely, the forum would assist in the individuals that really enjoy and love their SC for what it is and what it should be. Look at the Buick GN. Of course the performance doesnt compare but the SC has way more technology and is a better car IMHO.

People that really want to raise the value of the SC and awareness need to understand that Performance is not the key. Keeping the car fully original and restored is. Hopefully help and the interest this will happen.

Its ideas like this and the effort others are doing to try and make Carlilse better thats going to push everything into place I think. But thats just me.


I know alot of auto enthusiasts think the Grand National was the best modern muscle to ever roll out of Detroit, but I can attest from experience that car is nothing but one nightmae after after another. If y'all think a SC is labor and maintenance intense, park one of those black beasts in your garage for awhile. I owned one and that car danged near put me in bankruptcy court in about 6 months and that is no joke. The worst part was the car hadn't been abused or trashed either. I sunk almost $7k in that wonderbucket of bolts in 5month's time and that was just for mechanical issues.
My SC had always been dependable, never left me stranded and the car ran 100%. I am dying to get her back on the road so I can enjoy her again. I will take a SC over a Grand National any day of the week. There's a reason the GN's were painted black. They had nothing but dark clouds haning over them.

rzimmerl
07-03-2007, 09:05 AM
I'm a go for the idea. I am keeping mine stock on the interior and exterior as much as possible, just a little go inside. After all the looks are what caught my eye in 1989, when I was 9.

Mike8675309
07-03-2007, 09:45 AM
I think it's a great idea. Traffic should be lower, and I'd suggest assigning a moderator that'll stay on it tighter. I.e. general how do I replace my waterpump would be out of place there unless they are looking for a OEM looking water pump and want to replace the studs and bolts with new factory like hardware.

That way folks that really want to get that just off the factory floor look have a good resource to go to.

AMD[H]unter
07-03-2007, 11:48 AM
I think it's a great idea. It would be very beneficial to us in the long run, I think.

XxSlowpokexX
07-03-2007, 02:29 PM
I think it's a great idea

kpatton
07-03-2007, 02:49 PM
I'm another one that agrees it is a great idea.

fturner
07-03-2007, 04:47 PM
Count me in for it.... but it needs to go into the membership area as far as I'm concerned.

Plat0ribs
07-03-2007, 05:13 PM
txsc, you already know my opinion.

I sent him a PM after looking over the work he's done to his SC's.

Over this Summer/Fall I hope to pull a low mile (63K) engine with nothing wrong (yet) and have it taken down to the HG and reassembled with upgraded components to last.

In the meantime I will be prepping a 91 SC engine bay (re-loom, clean, prep, etc...) for the engine install. While a lot of this is mechanical and I'm not a total stickler for total OEM, I know I could learn a lot form such a forum.

Toms-SC
07-03-2007, 05:27 PM
First challenge up:

Where can we find a new Engine Coolant plastic tank? I do not want to clean them, I just want a replacement.

NY90RedSC
07-03-2007, 11:08 PM
First challenge up:

Where can we find a new Engine Coolant plastic tank? I do not want to clean them, I just want a replacement.

Some of the larger Ford dealerships may still have one or two on their shelves collecting dust. I found one at a local Ford dealer about 18 months ago for my 90 SC. I got it at a discount to boot as well just to get it off their shelf. I paid a measley $9.99 plus tax for the thing. :eek:

birds4us
07-04-2007, 08:26 AM
Put me on the agree list.

CurtisPaulfrey
07-04-2007, 07:19 PM
txsc, as i stated on the phone I would love to see this get going

I have alot to do with the inside and out, I kinda gave up on the engine and went aftermarket

txsc
07-05-2007, 10:07 PM
So far, there appears to be an overwhelmingly positive repsonse to this suggestion. However, only a few members have responded. Looks like the only "controversy" is whether the forum should be on the "free" or "pay" side. This detail can be ironed out later.

I'd like to get more response; even from the dissenters; I want feedback from both sides of the aisle. Thanks to those who have commented so far! Keep it coming...

JD

rzimmerl
07-05-2007, 10:31 PM
In my opinion this should be on the Member Only "pay side", if your preserving the car why not preserve the club that supported your work. A mere $15 a year is not much for the amount of knowledge you can gain from the forums.

CurtisPaulfrey
07-05-2007, 10:41 PM
In my opinion this should be on the Member Only "pay side", if your preserving the car why not preserve the club that supported your work. A mere $15 a year is not much for the amount of knowledge you can gain from the forums.



+1 (also as a member I shouldnt have to type 10 letters)

dklitzke
07-07-2007, 01:57 PM
I have thought about this before too. If there's enough interest, maybe someone like Dennis Carpenter, or one of the other Ford restoration parts guys will start producing selected parts for us. He makes all manner of rubber, plastic and mechanical parts for different model of Ford cars and trucks. As you guys all know, the resto business is huge, and I a thinking it is just a matter of time before parts for the MN-12 will be available.

I have often wondered what happens to all the dealer stocks when they go obsolete. There ought to be a way to purchase those things and market those also for the resto business. I do know that there's a lot of new old stock (NOS) parts for sale in places like Hemmings Motor News, although I haven't personally checked there for SC parts. Any thoughts?

Don
Prospect TN

Kit Sullivan
07-07-2007, 04:09 PM
Clearly, this is a great idea: This is the main reason I came to this forum in the first place...looking for the 'correct' factory info concerning details about our cars.
Since these cars are currently relegated to typical 'used-car' status by most owners, it seems that there are a lot of people interested in modifying them for better performance.
There isn't a lot of repect yet for the factory effort made to develop these cars in the first place, and with every modification made to another SC, that is just one less 'authentic' classic SC that remains to uphold the legend, if there ever is going to be one.
This car is a relative unknown and underappreciated vehicle, which is the perfect recipe for future collectibilty.
It is always the cars that no one thought would amount to much that turn in the high-priced colector cars...simply becuase most of them end up abused to death.

A restoration forum is the place where the anal retentive guys like me can get and share the info that makes little or no difference to the 'modification' crowd, but all the difference to the real die-hard collectors.

I was a champion of the 71-73 'big-body Mustangs LONG before anyone thought they would ever amount to anything. Consequently, I am fairly well known as an authority on those particular Mustangs now, so I get a lot of mail on them.

The probelm with catering to the 'modification' crowd is that they are not particularly loyal to any one kind of car...they just latch onto whatever is cheap and easy to modify at the time.
Novas, Falcons, Vegas, Pintos, and bunches of others have all suffered terrible fates in the quest for cheap and easy platforms to build upon, sending most of them to the grave before natural attrition would do so.
This restoration forum will help to jump-start the 'preservation' mode deperatly needed for these awesome cars.

I say "Do It!"

MikeKanterakis
07-16-2007, 04:25 PM
It's a great idea. Maybe we could limit the posting to people's professional "write-ups" and then have posts follow the write-ups keeping them updated and what not. That way, every post would be a clean title of the write-up and not just a bunch of questions asking why my car won't start.
;)

jgrenell
07-18-2007, 05:50 AM
+1

Members

jg

sleeper bird
07-18-2007, 07:25 PM
I know alot of auto enthusiasts think the Grand National was the best modern muscle to ever roll out of Detroit, but I can attest from experience that car is nothing but one nightmae after after another. If y'all think a SC is labor and maintenance intense, park one of those black beasts in your garage for awhile. I owned one and that car danged near put me in bankruptcy court in about 6 months and that is no joke. The worst part was the car hadn't been abused or trashed either. I sunk almost $7k in that wonderbucket of bolts in 5month's time and that was just for mechanical issues.
My SC had always been dependable, never left me stranded and the car ran 100%. I am dying to get her back on the road so I can enjoy her again. I will take a SC over a Grand National any day of the week. There's a reason the GN's were painted black. They had nothing but dark clouds haning over them.

i had a grand national and loved it,but i love my sc too.back to the topic i would love to see a restoration area on the board,i would like to start with who has factory floor mats?

MikeKanterakis
07-18-2007, 09:42 PM
One factory floormat hook...

Just kidding. the '93 (in the avatar above) has two original factory floormats with light use.

kpatton
07-19-2007, 06:03 AM
+1 members

Kurt K
07-19-2007, 08:55 AM
I'm for it in the member's section.

Gonzo2
08-04-2007, 05:59 PM
I have just recently purchased a 91 and think this would be a great idea. I am going to be doing repairs this winter and this would be a great help.

blkthndr
08-12-2007, 08:50 PM
This sub forum has been added to the member only forums.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=110

txsc
08-12-2007, 09:53 PM
This sub forum has been added to the member only forums.

http://www.sccoa.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=110

Thanks, Ron. I believe this will be a big benefit to the restoration-minded SCCoA membership.

JD