So, your saying that all home jobbers etc can't do anything worth more than crap.... where the heck do you think it all started
Good grief!!!!!!! Then folks wonder where some of the "gods" of the SC have went.... having to put up with with this type of stuff would drive anyone out.
For our cars it all started with Magnuson/ESM/Magnum Powers doing research, flow benching, rebuilding and testing to get maximum results. How much research goes into the average home jobber? Most likely none. If they clone a known good working product, great. In my original comments I was reffering to those that take a grinder and make pretty work but do not test anything. "It looks good, my butt dyno says it works" does not cut it. I want dyno sheets, charge air temp sheets, boost readings. Is it so much to ask for these people to back up their work? If they are so confident in their home work how about providing some information to the rest of the community
Exactly, they have none. This goes beyond just supercharger porting and applies to other products offered.
The 'Gods' of the SC such as Dr.Fred did research and provided everything I mentioned above.
Damon, this is the article you are reffering to:
http://www.sccoa.com/articles/blowerbuild.php
I really am getting a bit frustrated with the crowd of ~~~~ know-it-alls around here that are so quick to blast others efforts. How about this: What the ~~~~ are you bringing to the table?!? If you're so convinced brand X is the maker's gift to our cars and a cloned copy of that is not gonna work, how about you do some testing BEFORE you open your ~~~~!!
I consider this a personal attack and I'll treat it as such. What do I bring to the table? What do YOU bring to the table? I am attempting to share my knowledge to those that are willing to take it. If you want to waste your money and effort be my guest, I can't make you take it.
I'll tell you what I am bringing to the table, 5 years of hands on SC experience. I'm not talking theory either, I am talking practice. I have coughed up the big bucks for the big toys and have come to realize that most of the products out there are crap unless you are willing to go the full way. Some modifications I have done two, even three times over to get them right. You want specifics? I was one of the first to hop on the MP III hype and got what I think is MP III #3. You want some testing? We had a hand full of SC's out on the dyno. Two of the SC's including my own had the much hyped MP III, two of them had stock 94-95 Blowers with MP Intake Plenum's. I had my MP III at 12% OD and got a nice 238 HP. The other MP III car with 25% OD got a whopping 248 HP. The clinch is that the 94-95 Blower/MP Intake Plenum's provided more usable HP and reliable HP then the expensive MP III cars. Hell, one of the 94-95 Blower/MP Intake cars made the most peak HP at way less O/D. The one MP III car at 25% OD blew its HG's. My car is still a slow POS with all of these expensive modifications done (see my profile) while the 94-95 Supercharged cars are quicker, cheaper, and more reliable. Take note I've yet to see and test that new MP 25% O/D kit, this was all before that kit was out or even heard of.
My advice if you have read this far:
1) Get a 94-95 M90 w/ Magnum Power Inlet Plenum for a budget modification
2) Get a Magnuson S-Port 94-95 M90 w/ Magnum Power Inlet Plenum for a slightly more serious edge
3) Get a MP III/X ONLY IF YOU PLAN ON HEADS CAM AND LOTS OF O/D
4) If you happen to get lucky get the A/R if you want balls out
5) If you get a home port, you are rolling the dice. Any one remember the Morana V6 racing/Steigmeir ported supercharger? Ya
How much money did I waste only to be slower then my competition at a fraction of the price? I'll never admit but if I could save some of you fellow SCers money I will feel better about my whole experience.
So anybody want a straight up trade for my MP III? Looking for a true Magnuson S-Port or an A/R, heck it looks like a manny port might be up my lane
So the question remains what do you bring to the table?