The mighty truck debate thread

[quick35th]

Guys I have decided that I am going to buy a '99-'03 F350 super duty, crew cab, 4x4, long bed, and preferably be a dually. I'd also like to have a manual transmission but they are hard to come by. Anyways but my reason for this thread is I cant nail down which engine I want to have in it, either the V10 or the 7.3L diesel, the 6.0L diesel is not even being considered.

I love the diesels and everything that they can do, they tow great and have tons of power, but what I would fear is the cost of upkeep with a diesel and parts for it are extremely pricey. Plus if something went wrong with it I'd probably be at a lose in figuring out whats wrong with it.

So thats where the V10 comes into play. Its almost as powerful as the diesel, gets close to the same fuel milage, and would be cheaper to work on and parts are way less. Plus a lot of guys clame to get well over 300k out of them without a rebuild.

Pretty much I want you guy's opinions on either engine and on which engine you think that I would be better suited with. I will be towing an open trailer to start with it then eventually move on up to somewhere in between a 20-30 foot enclosed race trailer. It will likely not see much daily driving since I have a '98 SVT contour that I drive currently.

Shane

[PearlBird]

The v10 may get close to the same amount gas mileage as a diesel putting around town, but with a loaded trailer the v10's mileage will drop to around 10mpg and even lower while the diesel's will tend to stay around the 16-18mpg range. Why aren't you considering the 6.0? In stock form its has greater power and better cooling capabilities, just keep the fuel filters on them changed and you won't have any injector problems. I wouldnt be considering the v10 engine at all for hauling trailers, they eat the gas

[quick35th]

The v10 may get close to the same amount gas mileage as a diesel putting around town, but with a loaded trailer the v10's mileage will drop to around 10mpg and even lower while the diesel's will tend to stay around the 16-18mpg range. Why aren't you considering the 6.0? In stock form its has greater power and better cooling capabilities, just keep the fuel filters on them changed and you won't have any injector problems. I wouldnt be considering the v10 engine at all for hauling trailers, they eat the gas

Reason I said that I was not considering the 6.0L is because of all the issues that I have heard that they have. Not something that I find exciting.

Shane

[VicRattlehead]

friend just got a 7.3 dually not crew cab just the extended cab long bed.

id go that route. we took a v10 f250 with a mustang in a 28' enclosed from chicago to tampa and it sucked up the gas fairly well. about 11-12mpg

the 6.0 like you said is junk

[mannysc]

ive delivered 100's of motor homes and the v10 ford is the best on milage it has good power and its quiet dont smell and you can get gas everywhere .

my brothers truck has v10 its great runs cool has power and livable gas milage,

i say v10 from experience with motorhomes and trucks with v10 ive had problems with the powerstrokes of 2000 vintage cooling problems when we crossed the desert between blyth ehrenberg area and indio calif on 100 deg + days . with ac on the engines would over heat.

but on the other hand the diesels will build torque and power under load the more you push it the harder it pulls. i like gas but diesels have their positive too so toss a coin.

[quick35th]

To give you guys an idea of what kind of truck that I want, this truck I am seriously considering.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=228985798&dealer_id=1061826&car_year=2002&model=F350&num_records=25&make3=&make2=&start_year=1999&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&only_price=1&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model3=&color3=&model2=&color2=&search_lang=&first_record=51&make=FORD&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=10&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=43026&only_photo=1&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=50&transmission=&doors=Four+Door&max_price=20000&cardist=156

Shane

[jludorf]

I have had 4 diesels since 03. the first was an F450 crew cab auto with a deck, the next was a 99f350drw ext cab 6 speed, I also has an 04 f350 crew cab short box and my current truck is a 99f350 crew cab dually.

We also have v10 service vehicles in our service fleet so I can attest to them too.

First off I drive fairly fast on the highway even with a trailer (75-85mph) and my 7.3 with a stick was getting over 23mpg average city and highway combined. My automatic with twice the mileage and steeper gearing gets 16-18 combined and I have seen 20 just driving on the highway if I stay under 70mph.

I have never had to do any work on any of my deisel engines and 500k miles is not unheard of with regular maintenance.

The V10s were getting us 9-11mph highway/city combined. I ran the one myself on a 3 hour drive all highway and it only got 15mpg.

Last year going to the shoot out we were 20k plus( lbs) with a double car hauler and were doing 85mph over msot of the distance up and down hills etc and 13.5mph was all we got, this spring I replaced my front hubs and my fuel economy jumped by 150 miles per tank. I could not believe how bad the bearings were. I get 1000km per tank at 2400ft above sealevel and I was able to get 1200km with my 6 speed.

The 99+ deisels don't smell unless somebody has removed cats etc. I get a small amount of smoke when below -10 degres C but after it has warmed up it is good.(I did not drive it below -30 much last year)

I won't but a gas truck unless I down grade to a 150 again.

By the way the 6l seemed decent to I bought it new and sold it with 88k and never had a problem. some people are just lucky I guess(03 has recall issue but once the recall were done they were fine). We have 30 6l trucks at work and one has had a turbo fail and another had a tranny go but the rest have been good. and get 18mpg and out drivers abuse the trucks.

Anyhow if you get a deisel get the lariat as it has better insulation and keeps the cabin noise down. My 99 6 speed and 450 were really loud and the curent one is pretty quiet.
Sorry for the long post.
John

[quick35th]

Thanks John for the great info. You have one nice truck!

So as far as general maintenance goes, what all needs done on a regular basis to keep a PSD going? At what intervals do filters and such need changed? About how much does it all cost?

Shane

[Dahoopd]

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[Jacob_Royer]

It costs more to maintain a diesel BUT you don't change the oil as often... I'd go diesel.. I've looked at the v-10's they are much better than a 5.4 tri-turd but they suck gas like crazy! Guy i bought my SC and integra from has a 00 superduty ext cab v10 4x4 with 33's on it nice wheels diamond tread tool box and 90k miles i think he just wants 11,000 for it.. I test drove it and it was sweet but i decided to keep my chevy.. it gets 18.75 average and 12/13mpg pulling my camper (30' 7600lbs+)

[Jacob_Royer]

First off not trying start a ford vs chevy debate so keep that in mind...

Why do you need that much truck to pull an SC around??? I comfertably pull 7600lbs with my 1/2 ton chevy.. I've pulled the SC twise and couldn't even tell it was there! I love fords but 97+ 1/2 tons with triton v8's have no balls when it comes to low-speed tourque and pulling trailers.. I've pulled upwards of 7000lbs with a 2wd 01 f150 5.4 and it was horrible.. you had to rev the piss out of it to to pull a hill or accelerate, and i got 10mpg if that... a 5.7 chevy with 3:73's will pull an SC around all day like nothing... a 5.3 chevy with 4.10's will put you back in the seat while pulling an SC around... Easy to work on... cheap to buy...cheap to mantain.... Cheap to licence.... (3/4 ton + trucks cost alot more to tag in indiana)... I've worked on tritons and it sucks to even change plugs and wires..Plus its expensive as hell... Even had one for awhile and absoultely hated it.. 4.6 short bed 4x4 reg cab 3.90 gears, cat back flowmaster, CAI.. The 300-6 2.72 gear truck i had before it would run circles around it pulling, milleage and acceleration it was sad... As i said before not trying to start a fight but go test drive a 1/2 ton chevy with a 5.3 or a 3/4 ton with a 6.0 (gas) and you will be very impressed with it.. Alot of my friends pull large 5th wheel trailers 8000lb plus and love the 6.0 chevy... they average 14mpg pulling!

[Kurt K]

So as far as general maintenance goes, what all needs done on a regular basis to keep a PSD going? At what intervals do filters and such need changed? About how much does it all cost?

Shane

If I tested the oil, I'm sure I wouldn't have to change my oil as frequently as I do. On my 99 F-250 I change the oil every 5,000 miles and the fuel filter every 10,000 miles. Oil change is up to about $50 in oil and filter (15 qts of oil, I buy it by the gallon). I don't remember how much I spent for fuel filters, but one of the diesel sites had a special on 6 filters and free billet wrench that I bought about 25,000 miles ago.

[Ken Seegers]

Shane,
I had my f350 7.3 for 2+ years and DO NOT regret it. Besides the normal oil changes at 5k and fuel filter changes at 10-15k. I had to replace the ball joints on the truck. I currently have a larger air filter and Diablo programmer. I would stay away from the v10's just beacause of the gas mileage. I do not see how they can match the deisel. I get 15-17 city. I think my highway is 20+. I know last year when hauling my SC to the shootout traveling 75+, I was getting 18.

I have heard of problems with 6.0L, but I believe some of that was overrated.

Good Luck
Ken

[Jacob_Royer]

If you get a diesel get a stick.. Auto's tend to not hold up(cept the allision) they don't get the fuel economy and are not as fun to drive.. One of my co-workers has a 99 7.3 6speed ZF f250 and he loves it... Gets about 14mpg with his horse trailer. I just think a diesel is major overkill to drag an SC around when you can ditch the expedition for a more powerful 1/2 ton that will easily do the job, be cheaper to buy, and cheaper to maintain...

[quick35th]

Jacob,

I'd really like to have the diesel for the increased capability of it vs a gasser. I want a dually because it will handle + be more stable at speed towing a 30 foot enclosed car trailer then any 1/2 chevy truck. Goose neck or ball hitch the dually would own the other. The way I see it is why get a smaller truck now for the open trailer that I have then need to upgrade again later once I get the enclosed trailer. Might as well just keep the Expedition if I were to do that.

Becides the F350 just looks so much more cooler then the expedition :D

Shane

[garsc]

Have you considered the Dodge Cummins 5.9? Everyoun I have talked to have rave reviews. Comments have always been positive as to fuel economy, power and reliability. I am a Ford guy but if I needed a HD truck I would definatley consider the Dodge. Just my 2 cents.

[jludorf]

I would have to agree with others I do the fuel filter every 20,000kms (12500miles) and the oild between 5000-10,000kms 3-6000miles. I use the drive through oil changes and they cost me $100.00 but we get raped up here for cars and maintenance versus the US. My tranny has 250,000kms on the stock one. It has some upgrades by the previous owner he was a heavy duty mechanic so he looked after the truck. This truck was used to tow a holiday trailer every few weekends. I used it for my car parts business and I tow tons and I will drive it anywhere. Now I am located in northern alberta and the roads and climate are not the greatest at times +35 to -40 and I would put a superduty diesel against any other truck with confidence in this climate.

As far as the dodge 5.9l engine they are pretty decent but all the v8s in a 3/4 ton get poor mileage as they typically come with 411s(or similiar) typically due to the capacity.

You won't be disappointed with a diesel and a 30ft enclosed car hauler is going to have huge drag in crosswinds the dually will be a good benifit keeping things stable.

John

[Jacob_Royer]

With a 30' enclosed trailer a wieght distrubution hitch and sway bar(s) are a MUST dually or not...

[quick35th]

With a 30' enclosed trailer a wieght distrubution hitch and sway bar(s) are a MUST dually or not...

Not unless that 30 foot enclosed trailer is a goose neck hehe :D

Shane

[jludorf]

The load equalization set ups are a compensator for stupid people. If you loaded the trailer right to begin with you would not need this set up. But I guess there are more dummy's or new people towing trailers out there that they had to do something to compensate for stupidity.

Anything over 5000lbs is suppose to have an equalization system in Alberta but each state and province is different. I find with my 7000lb car hauler with the flex ride axles this is not required like it is on the leaf spring set ups.

5th wheel is the best way to go if you are towing a larger trailer. The trailer I am using for the shoot out is a 32ft(deck length) gooseneck and it is just large enough for two cars.


John

[superbirdx]

Guys I have decided that I am going to buy a '99-'03 F350 super duty, crew cab, 4x4, long bed, and preferably be a dually. I'd also like to have a manual transmission but they are hard to come by. Anyways but my reason for this thread is I cant nail down which engine I want to have in it, either the V10 or the 7.3L diesel, the 6.0L diesel is not even being considered.

I love the diesels and everything that they can do, they tow great and have tons of power, but what I would fear is the cost of upkeep with a diesel and parts for it are extremely pricey. Plus if something went wrong with it I'd probably be at a lose in figuring out whats wrong with it.

So thats where the V10 comes into play. Its almost as powerful as the diesel, gets close to the same fuel milage, and would be cheaper to work on and parts are way less. Plus a lot of guys clame to get well over 300k out of them without a rebuild.

Pretty much I want you guy's opinions on either engine and on which engine you think that I would be better suited with. I will be towing an open trailer to start with it then eventually move on up to somewhere in between a 20-30 foot enclosed race trailer. It will likely not see much daily driving since I have a '98 SVT contour that I drive currently.

Shane

The 2003 6.0 diesel had issues ,but,after that they were pretty solid.Much better on fuel than any gas motor and after the 03 bugs were worked out they are very reliable.We have 3 e-350 vans that get 20+ on average.

[quick35th]

I'll add one more question to this thread. Which transmission is considered better, the 6spd manual or the automatic? Which one will possibly be the most reliable and last the longest?

Shane

[Jacob_Royer]

Manual! auto's suck...

[DCClark]

6 speed hands down, the 4R100 will have to be replaced by 125k on most cases. We have a 2003 F250 7.3 with 97k, has a goose neck hitch and was used to haul horses. Records show proper maintenance but its hurt. It's going to need a rebuild here in the next 10K.

[Kurt K]

6 speed hands down, the 4R100 will have to be replaced by 125k on most cases. We have a 2003 F250 7.3 with 97k, has a goose neck hitch and was used to haul horses. Records show proper maintenance but its hurt. It's going to need a rebuild here in the next 10K.
The auto in my 99 F250 7.3 has been "hurting" for about 20k. I'm up to 150k now and hoping to at least make it through the winter before I rebuild or replace the truck.

[Jacob_Royer]

The load equalization set ups are a compensator for stupid people. If you loaded the trailer right to begin with you would not need this set up. But I guess there are more dummy's or new people towing trailers out there that they had to do something to compensate for stupidity.


John

Anything over 5000lbs its stupid to NOT use a wieght distrubution hitch.. (cept a 5th wheel) When i bought my camper i pulled it home WITHOUT one and with it empty (probably about 1k lighter than it is now) it was downright scary because of all the tounge wieght! A wieght distrubution hitch puts the tounge wieght on all 4 wheels of the tow-vehicle instead of having the ~~~ end of your truck sitting on the ground and the front wheels about to pop a wheelie.. If i had a 1-ton i'd still use a wieght distrubution hitch! 7600lbs its a must!... If anything at least your headlights aren't pointed at the sky!

[David Neibert]

Jacob,

I'd really like to have the diesel for the increased capability of it vs a gasser. I want a dually because it will handle + be more stable at speed towing a 30 foot enclosed car trailer then any 1/2 chevy truck. Goose neck or ball hitch the dually would own the other. The way I see it is why get a smaller truck now for the open trailer that I have then need to upgrade again later once I get the enclosed trailer. Might as well just keep the Expedition if I were to do that.

Becides the F350 just looks so much more cooler then the expedition :D

Shane

Shane,

Unless your planning to do a lot of long distance hauling, I'd just use your Expedition. I've got a fairly heavy steel deck trailer (aprox 2500# empty) and even with my heavy azz cars and all the stuff I load in the trunk (4250# plus) the Expedition is capable of pulling it at 85 mph all day long, and has no trouble on hills or merging into traffic.

David

[Jacob_Royer]

A 5.3/5.7 vortech will own a triton... Pulling, empty, mileage... I hate to admit it since i'm a ford guy but its true...

[cdchicago]

Used to work in the truck shop at Ford....Here is what i learned repairing and driving several hundred Ford trucks.

1. The v10 is a gas hog. They also like to spit the middle spark plugs out of the cyl heads. Not recommended.

2. The 6.0 is great, IF you treat it like a truck and don't short trip it like a soccer mom. That causes the VGT to seize up and a few other problems. There were a some bugs but they also have a 100k warranty. In truth this package is overcomplicated.

3. The 7.3 is king! It is simple and tough! The only thing that goes wrong is the cam sensor (cheap and easy, usually around 75 to 90k miles) and occasionally a fuel injector if you put enough miles on it.(like 150k+)

The manual trans is by far the way to go ... if you can find one.

By the way you can pick up an easy 100hp and lots of torque with an SCT programmer on these trucks. An egt gauge is highly recommended with this.

We have a 7.3 in our shop dually that we use to tow our 40 ft gooseneck race trailer with. It gets loaded up with either a car and quad or 4 to 6 motorcycles plus tools and hauls all over California and Nevada. Its loaded up with motorcycles and heading for Bonneville tomorrow (If I can get this damn Hyabusa to stop overboosting). At 100k i wouln't hesitate to use it to tow to Peru!

[cdchicago]

Anything over 5000lbs its stupid to NOT use a wieght distrubution hitch.. (cept a 5th wheel) When i bought my camper i pulled it home WITHOUT one and with it empty (probably about 1k lighter than it is now) it was downright scary because of all the tounge wieght! A wieght distrubution hitch puts the tounge wieght on all 4 wheels of the tow-vehicle instead of having the ~~~ end of your truck sitting on the ground and the front wheels about to pop a wheelie.. If i had a 1-ton i'd still use a wieght distrubution hitch! 7600lbs its a must!... If anything at least your headlights aren't pointed at the sky!

What he said.

[chadder1313]

If your looking for a dually pick up i would say test drive all three brands first and see which one suits you better. They all have a diffrent feel. I was really big in the 7.3 Power Strokes untill i drove my Cummins. Anyways as far as transmissions go id go with the 6 speed due to reliability. Just my .02

[superbirdx]

A 5.3/5.7 vortech will own a triton... Pulling, empty, mileage... I hate to admit it since i'm a ford guy but its true...
I just saw a comparison between the new Expidition EL and the Yukon.The Ford has the 3v 5.4 w/6spd. auto and the Yukon has a 6.0 w/4spd auto.Empty the 6.0 was king in acceleration.Towing was a different story.The ford was able reach higher speeds towing the same weight as the GM by alot.I'm sure the 6spd and the 4:30 gears are a huge help towing in the Ford,but,it still outworked the bigger motor. I know the first Tritons weren't overpowered ,but, they are doing well now.The 5.3 has always been a better car motor.Never had the low end torque of a triton, ever.
I do agree for the diesels the 7.3 is the best.My boss has one with a Gale Banks powerpack and 6 gun,Snow meth kit and an ATS transmission.It is super powerful.

[jludorf]

What he said.


With a 1 ton dually ford F350 crew cab long box with 800lbs on the tongue the truck's rear suspension does not even lower more than an inch and with the rear of the truck considerably higher than the front to begin with the front suspension does not get unloaded. I actually find the truck rides better with about 800lbs of tongue weight.

Properly loading your trailer would also accomplish the same thing and is better that using the load equalization to compensate for improperloading. We have had the load equalization chains break where they connect to the tension rods and we have had the devices that clamp to the trailer tubing become deformed. These are on units with less than a year of use as we purchased 5 sets for our manlift trailers and welding trailers at work.

Thought I do use them I do so more because the law requires them not because they actually make things safer. If you load the trailer imbalanced to begin they will provide a false sense of security as they will break and now you have to try and regain control of the trailer. One of our trucks ended up in the ditch as a result and sent two to hospital with minor injuries. When the trialer arrived at our yard I was asked to provide an assesment as I tow considerably more than average and I found the trailer was not over loaded but had too much load on the front of the trailer and minimal over the wheels or on the rear, when the load equalization system was used the truck sat level but when the chain broke it caused the driver to lose control when he hit a bump. If the load equalization had not been installed we would have seen the imbalance on the truck and trailer before it left our yard. As a result we chanage our policy that required the two to sit fairly level before you engage the load equalization system. If your truck and trailer do not sit fairly level before you engage the load equalization you are just asking for trouble. The problem is people do not think balancing the load matters as they use the load equalization set up to do it for them.

There is a better system out there that in corporated a second ball and a stabilizer rod this is a better system in my opinion as it provides stability laterally to prevent the tailer from swinging side to side.

John

[jludorf]

Shane,
I would go with a 6 speed manual but they are not easy to find in the upper trim levels.
John

[Jacob_Royer]

My trailer wieghs 7600lbs+ 1200lb tounge wieght and i pull it with a 1/2 ton! so a wieght distrubution hitch is a must!! you cant load the trailer anyway better to make up for that....

With a 1 ton dually ford F350 crew cab long box with 800lbs on the tongue the truck's rear suspension does not even lower more than an inch and with the rear of the truck considerably higher than the front to begin with the front suspension does not get unloaded. I actually find the truck rides better with about 800lbs of tongue weight.

Properly loading your trailer would also accomplish the same thing and is better that using the load equalization to compensate for improperloading. We have had the load equalization chains break where they connect to the tension rods and we have had the devices that clamp to the trailer tubing become deformed. These are on units with less than a year of use as we purchased 5 sets for our manlift trailers and welding trailers at work.

Thought I do use them I do so more because the law requires them not because they actually make things safer. If you load the trailer imbalanced to begin they will provide a false sense of security as they will break and now you have to try and regain control of the trailer. One of our trucks ended up in the ditch as a result and sent two to hospital with minor injuries. When the trialer arrived at our yard I was asked to provide an assesment as I tow considerably more than average and I found the trailer was not over loaded but had too much load on the front of the trailer and minimal over the wheels or on the rear, when the load equalization system was used the truck sat level but when the chain broke it caused the driver to lose control when he hit a bump. If the load equalization had not been installed we would have seen the imbalance on the truck and trailer before it left our yard. As a result we chanage our policy that required the two to sit fairly level before you engage the load equalization system. If your truck and trailer do not sit fairly level before you engage the load equalization you are just asking for trouble. The problem is people do not think balancing the load matters as they use the load equalization set up to do it for them.

There is a better system out there that in corporated a second ball and a stabilizer rod this is a better system in my opinion as it provides stability laterally to prevent the tailer from swinging side to side.

John

[Jacob_Royer]

I just saw a comparison between the new Expidition EL and the Yukon.The Ford has the 3v 5.4 w/6spd. auto and the Yukon has a 6.0 w/4spd auto.Empty the 6.0 was king in acceleration.Towing was a different story.The ford was able reach higher speeds towing the same weight as the GM by alot.I'm sure the 6spd and the 4:30 gears are a huge help towing in the Ford,but,it still outworked the bigger motor. I know the first Tritons weren't overpowered ,but, they are doing well now.The 5.3 has always been a better car motor.Never had the low end torque of a triton, ever.
I do agree for the diesels the 7.3 is the best.My boss has one with a Gale Banks powerpack and 6 gun,Snow meth kit and an ATS transmission.It is super powerful.

If anyone doesen't believe me about the 5.4 being a turd compared to the vortech i will happily drop the trailer at the shootout and make a pass against any 5.4 (NA NOT LIGHTNING OR HD) with my lowly bone stock 3.42 geared vortech.... :)

[Jacob_Royer]

The ultimate 1-ton would be a f350 with a cat/cummins and an allision... Be nice if you could get whatever engine/tranny you wanted in a 1-ton truck like you can in a semi....

[superbirdx]

If anyone doesen't believe me about the 5.4 being a turd compared to the vortech i will happily drop the trailer at the shootout and make a pass against any 5.4 (NA NOT LIGHTNING OR HD) with my lowly bone stock 3.42 geared vortech.... :)

I wasn't saying in a drag race.That's why I stated the 5.3 is a better car motor.It makes better upper rpm horsepower than the 5.4 does.The 5.4 makes better torque at lower rpms.It's not going to win a drag race I agree.And the previous quote on the expedition el is in one of the last few months magazines.I'll see if I can find it.
Not trying to start a pissing match just adding some things I've seen to conversation:D

[Jacob_Royer]

I've pulled 7000lbs with both (same trailer) an 01, f150 and an 01 chevy 5.3/5.4 both autos chevy a ext cab 4x4 ford reg cab no options 2wd and the 5.3 owns it all around... power/mileage/towing... My truck is a 5.7 and not as quick as the 5.3 but it pulls like mad and gets 18.50mpg average empty..I'm not starting a pissing match eaither i've just yet to drive a 5.4 that had anything on a 5.7/5.3 thats why i didn't buy one! I looked for 3 years for a truck and test drove ALOT of them before i finally gave up on the f150's.. I think the fords loose alot of power through the tranny... I dunno... just seems like the triton motor is trying to do somthing but working against some unseen force all the time...

[superbirdx]

I've pulled 7000lbs with both (same trailer) an 01, f150 and an 01 chevy 5.3/5.4 both autos chevy a ext cab 4x4 ford reg cab no options 2wd and the 5.3 owns it all around... power/mileage/towing... My truck is a 5.7 and not as quick as the 5.3 but it pulls like mad and gets 18.50mpg average empty..I'm not starting a pissing match eaither i've just yet to drive a 5.4 that had anything on a 5.7/5.3 thats why i didn't buy one! I looked for 3 years for a truck and test drove ALOT of them before i finally gave up on the f150's.. I think the fords loose alot of power through the tranny... I dunno... just seems like the triton motor is trying to do somthing but working against some unseen force all the time...

You could be right i agree that they are under-achievers.
The article I referred to really doesn't apply to your point as the trans is all new 6spd which allowed them to use 4:30 gears.Also the 5.4 before 2004 3v came out is only rated at 260 hp so that puts it under the 5.3. 3v 5.4 has 300hp which helped it ,but,in the truck world it still is an under-achiever.My girlfriends 2005 Dodge w/Hemi is in a completely different time zone as far as power goes.Ford needs to step up to the plate pretty soon or they will lose out on market share of trucks soon.I'd never own a forein vehicle but look at the power the new Toyota has.

[Jacob_Royer]

I tried like hell to find one i liked but even ones with mods like gears K&N and catback wouldnt get out of there own way and sucked gas... A 6speed tranny probably helps alot! awhile back on trucks they put a banks blower on an 05 f150 and it was supposed to be a 300hp engine stock on the dyno they got barely over 200!?? what happened there?? I understand drivetrain loss but geeze... with $4000 +/- in parts they got a little over 300 at the wheels... sad...

[Jacob_Royer]

My old f150 91 300/5speed had K&N no cats walker y-pipe flowmaster 3" pipe and it felt strong compared to the 5.4's i drove... That engine was a pulling SOB...

[superbirdx]

My old f150 91 300/5speed had K&N no cats walker y-pipe flowmaster 3" pipe and it felt strong compared to the 5.4's i drove... That engine was a pulling SOB...
I had a 92 300 six with e4od and it for sure towed better than a 4.6 150.Far better low end.

[superbirdx]

I tried like hell to find one i liked but even ones with mods like gears K&N and catback wouldnt get out of there own way and sucked gas... A 6speed tranny probably helps alot! awhile back on trucks they put a banks blower on an 05 f150 and it was supposed to be a 300hp engine stock on the dyno they got barely over 200!?? what happened there?? I understand drivetrain loss but geeze... with $4000 +/- in parts they got a little over 300 at the wheels... sad...

That's a good question because roucsh racing has a f-150 pick-up package with supercharger that they advertise as 450hp.Probably lots of hype

[Jacob_Royer]

My 300 truck would pull about 5 lengths on dads 99 f150 its got 3.90 gears 4.65 vK&N and catback... I had 2.72's! I pulled all kinds of stuff with the 300... Car trailer with an accord on it i was able to pull most hills in 5th gear!! The 4.6 cant pull itself up a hill in OD..

[Jacob_Royer]

I so wondered how a 300 would do with a small turbo... Probably pull like a cummins!

[jludorf]

The 300 six was know to be better than the 302 in the 90s. As far as the 5.4 is concerned I hade 3 of them 97,00 and 04. I believe 97 was 230hp and had 3.55 gears, the 00 had 373 and 260hp and the 04 had 300hp and 3.73 gears. I was getting 20mpg towing with the 04, 17 with the 00 and 18 with the 97.
I liked them all as tow vehicules and did lots of 5000km trips with a car hauler picking up cars with excellent service by all three. Acceleration with a trailer was decent but it is not a race. Gm historically has been able to accelerate faster than ford though in 00 the ford was the fastest of the bunch in a road test. I have an article that tested all three in 00 and the ford made the most at the wheels even though the Gm made 10more hp at 270. The trucks were dynoed and tested under load the ford handle the load the best both the dodge and gm were not as well behaved under load. the ford even stopped butter loaded than unloaded. I know that doen not make sense. but as a work truck the fords are better. as a commuter the GM is better and the dodge well..:eek:



That being said Ford replaced my 04 f150 with an 04 f350 as I had a vibration they could not solve after 20,000miles they gave me a new truck.
A 6 speed deisel as a commuter truck is horrible to drive as the gears are so short but on the highway or steep grades a 6 speed it the way to go. I hardly ever left 6th on the highway.


I would not tow 8800lbs with a 1/2 ton that is overweight if you check the gcvw by the manufacturer which is typically 13,000-13,500 depending on engine etc. a 1/2 ton will weight 500olbs min, mine was 6200 so I would have been severly overloaded in a heavy half(7700)






John

[jludorf]

I tried like hell to find one i liked but even ones with mods like gears K&N and catback wouldnt get out of there own way and sucked gas... A 6speed tranny probably helps alot! awhile back on trucks they put a banks blower on an 05 f150 and it was supposed to be a 300hp engine stock on the dyno they got barely over 200!?? what happened there?? I understand drivetrain loss but geeze... with $4000 +/- in parts they got a little over 300 at the wheels... sad...



In 00 the 260hp ford with an auto put 208 at the wheels, the gm with 270hp and dodge with 230hp were about 186-189hp at the wheels. Every truck is different and the dyno type can make huge differences too.

[quick35th]

The auto in my 99 F250 7.3 has been "hurting" for about 20k. I'm up to 150k now and hoping to at least make it through the winter before I rebuild or replace the truck.

Kurt,

You should try putting that John Deere Hygard stuff in your super duty's transmission to see if it helps it out any. I know you have the stuff in your SC and I have it in my Expedition and we have both had good luck with it.

I figured if I got stuck with an automatic that I would put the stuff in it along with the bigest transmission cooler with a fan that I can find. But since you are having issues with yours and will likely replace it in the future you might as well try it first.

Shane

[Jacob_Royer]

A friend of mine is buying a dually and has a 05 2500HD 4x4chevy 6.0 gas for sale with a 5th wheel hitch, RYNO, stainless nerf bars, onstar, 50k miles leather fully loaded every option you can get.. He wants $17500 truck is garage kept absolutely flawless inside and out.. Its a steal at that price! I'd buy it if mine wasnt almost paid for.... It gets 15/16mpg empty and 10/11mpg with his 8500lb 5th wheel... I've ran with him before down to charlestown on the way back there is a HORRIBLE hill on I-64 west of louisville thats several miles long.. I end up in 2nd gear before the top everytime 50mph or so (could do it faster if i wanted to hold the go pedal to the floor but i dont pull like that) Anyways he leaves me sitting and never looses any speed at all! i was like dam!! My sc cant pull that hill at any speed without getting into boost...

[boosc]

Shane,
Get a 7.3 and be done with it. I had 01 f350 4x4 cc and used for towing my 30 ft goose neck. Never one problem with it and hauled all over the country. Some people have been lucky with the 6.0 but most not, regardless of the year. Why did ford stop building it after 5 yrs, it sucked. The 7.3 was built how many years. Only advantage of buying the 6.0 is better automatic trans, better hp potential. Cummins 5.9 is excellent but the truck is junk along with weak trans. Duramax hasn't been to bad so far except the injectors in the ealy years. You got my cell give a call I looked and talked to alot of people for a while before I bought mine.

[None2Slow]

1 of the problems with the 6.0 was it popped head gaskets. I have a 99F350 with the 7.3 and auto. I have over 145,000 and not a problem yet. It is bone stock except for a K&N drop in filter (just so I don't have to buy a new filter again). I get 20-21 mpg if I stay around 65 mph empty, and about 17-18 mpg at 75-80 mph, but pulling a 35ft 5th wheel, I get about 10-12 mpg. I regularly pull a 16ft open car trailer and wouldn't know it was there if I didn't see the car in the mirror. I pulled a lot over Donner Summit and never drop below the 55 mph speed limit. A friend pulled this same trailer with his 95 GMC 3/4 ton with the 350 and was barely going 40. Plus he gets about 14 mpg empty on the freeway. His cousin has a 2002 F250 with the V10 and no matter what, he gets 9 mpg, city, highway don't matter. I know the newer gas motors are nice, but you can't beat the pulling power of a diesel.

[Ryan218]

i still think ya should get a 99-01 SVT lightning.. :D

[quick35th]

Just wondering what the general opinion is on this but what do people think about Excursions?

Shane

[Jacob_Royer]

This is why i hate tri-turds

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/jacobroyer/th_091407_01301.jpg (http://s20.photobucket.com/albums/b250/jacobroyer/?action=view&current=091407_01301.flv)

This is a 99 reg cab shortbed f-150
5.4/auto
3" true duals with 1 chamber flowmasters
K&N FIPK
4.10 gears

45mph 78mph wide open this is all its got... sad....

Is it just me or is that pretty lame considering the mods?? My bone stock 3.42 gear chevy will hit 100mph in that amount of time at wot. Plus its an EXtended cab with fully loaded so i am sure its heavier..

Correct me if i'm wrong but doesen't the 99 5.4 make 265hp and a 98 vortech 350 make 260? I seriously think its in the tranny.. The ford feels like you are dragging somthing around when your not.. Whats really really sad the ford in the video got beat by 2 cars by a 05 4.3 v6 chevy!

[Jacob_Royer]

A 95 GMC has the lame TBI 350.. nothing compared to the vortech...

1 of the problems with the 6.0 was it popped head gaskets. I have a 99F350 with the 7.3 and auto. I have over 145,000 and not a problem yet. It is bone stock except for a K&N drop in filter (just so I don't have to buy a new filter again). I get 20-21 mpg if I stay around 65 mph empty, and about 17-18 mpg at 75-80 mph, but pulling a 35ft 5th wheel, I get about 10-12 mpg. I regularly pull a 16ft open car trailer and wouldn't know it was there if I didn't see the car in the mirror. I pulled a lot over Donner Summit and never drop below the 55 mph speed limit. A friend pulled this same trailer with his 95 GMC 3/4 ton with the 350 and was barely going 40. Plus he gets about 14 mpg empty on the freeway. His cousin has a 2002 F250 with the V10 and no matter what, he gets 9 mpg, city, highway don't matter. I know the newer gas motors are nice, but you can't beat the pulling power of a diesel.

[jludorf]

I would not doubt the 3" dual are too much for the 5.4 stock engine it likely gave up some torque. My friend did 3" exhaust on his 68 cougar and he actuallywent slower in the quarter mile though the car sounded better.

My 00 5.4 truck pulled hard right to 100mph even with a trailer. I can't tell you how long the mountain climb is on Coquihalla in the mountains of BC is but it has the longest climb in north america and pulling a 57chev with my f150 I was able to hold 45mph. when semis are doing 15-20 and it takes more than 10 minutes to climb it is a tough hill on any truck. I was pulling away from my buddy in a 4 l ranger reg cab short box on that hill pulling a trailer with a 68 cougar too. fuel mileage sucked but that truck never let me down and for a 1/2 to it was a good tow vehicle. Plus the ford puts more power to the ground. I'll dig up the article when I get my basement drywalled and scan a copy so you can see for yourself. By the way that video doesn't really provide any info as you can't hearing the sound of the engine.
john

[Jacob_Royer]

The ford was alot whimpier before exaust and gears... It only gets 16mpg if you baby it. I had it for a year and sold it to my brother-in-law.. Plug wires took a dump once a coil pack, rear-end took a crap at 140k (why it got 4.10's) Its fine for just driving around.. Handles better than the chevy and stops better but the power and mileage sucked and i needed an ext cab.. My 300-6 pulled alot better way more low-end tourque.. Pulling i only got 10mpg with a car trailer.. Ironicly before the exhaust, gears and fipk it only got 14mpg empty.. I'm driving it for a week because he borrowed my integra to go on a trip.. I'll get a vid of the chevy for comparison next time i drive it I love fords but as i said the 5.4's just suck compared to chevy or dodge's pushrod motors and i despise doing anything to them (plug's, wires etc) pushrod v8's are so much easier to work on.. I had to do an intake gasket on the chevy when i bought it and it took me about 2hrs.. I'd hate to know how long it would take on a 5.4......

[quick35th]

Well today I went and test drove an '03 F350 SD with the 7.3L, CC, DRW, 4x4, Lariet. The unfortunate thing about it was that it is an automatic :( It had roughly 138k on the odometer which is not to bad. They want $18,900 for it which prolly is not that bad of a price either.

There were a few things that seemed to bug me about the truck. One being that it felt like there was "play" in the transmission. Play being if I just tap the gas for a second while moving I very slightly felt a "jerking" effect almost like the gearing was ultra steep in it for towing. Not sure if that is normal or not. I know it shifted into every gear fine but seemed to shift into OD kinda rough. My second gripe about the truck was that while cruising down the freeway doing 70mph the tach read 2250 RPM which I dont know if thats typical of a truck like this or if it had not gone into OD at that point.

One nice thing about it is that it rides really smoothly, is not all bumpy and bouncy like my expedition, and has plenty of power to pull out and pass on the freeway.

I think it had an aftermarket exhaust on it because oh man did it sound good while the dealer man pulled it away to park it after the test drive. I could tell that someone either took care of it or modded it because it had an aftermarket exhaust temp gauge mounted just off to the right of the steering wheel below the gauge cluster.

Anyways here are some pics of it that I took with my cell phone camera.

So what do you guys think about this truck?

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/quick35th/img279.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/quick35th/img278.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/quick35th/img281.jpg

http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k114/quick35th/img283.jpg

Shane

[quick35th]

Here is the autotrader link to the truck I drove yesturday.

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=227403104&dealer_id=69333&car_year=2003&num_records=25&model=F350&make2=&start_year=1999&engine=&keywordsrep=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=Diesel&body_code=0&search_type=both&distance=500&marketZipError=false&search_lang=en&first_record=26&make=FORD&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=10&drive=4+wheel+drive&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=43202&only_photo=1&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=25&transmission=&doors=Four+Door&max_price=20000&cardist=24

Shane

[jludorf]

Shane that sounds like a nice truck. it is tough to say about the tranny. I drive my truck every day but I will have to look an se what it revs at again I think at 120kph(75mph) I am justaround the 2200 range so it could be right. I
ll check and let you know. I would suggest you take out a few more to see if the tranny feel is normal. I know my truck takes a second to engage into reverse when I select it and that is normal based on my experience with these trucks. Does the 03 have the tow haul mode on the gear selector handle? I know they made some upgrades. I really liked that feature in my 04. I believe 03 was suppose to be one of the better years for the 7.3 set up but I can't remember why.
John

[NRTrackStar]

As you know Shane I work for the city back at home and we have several dozen trucks of various makes and age. Most are 3/4 tons or better. Anywho, the only ones still around after 10 years or more are the Fords-the Dodges and Chevys have all been auctioned off. The gas and diesel trucks take a ton of abuse and just refuse to die. The Dodge's, on the other hand, are the most diabolical pieces of ~~~~ imaginable. I cannot begin to stress how bad these trucks are. While none of them are diesels, it wouldn't matter how good the Cummins was because the only major component on those that don't break regularly are the Magnum motors, which can't hold a candle to Tritons or Vortechs anyway. The Chevys are actually quite nice. The Vortech is a pretty potent motor, and the new ones don't break. However, I hear bad things about the Duramax trucks. As for the diesel argument, the only thing that would stop me from recommending one is your driving habits. If you're making lots of shorter trips, I don't think having a Powerstroke is gonna do you a lot of favors. On the other hand, you will get almost impossibly bad mileage from the V10. So there's your choice-pay for lots more gas, or eat expensive repair bills occasionally. Either way, if you're buying an automatic with 100k+ on it, budget a rebuild. It's impossible to tell how the previous owner drove the truck, and even the best tranny can't hold up to someone driving it like an idiot. Ideally, if I were you, I would get a 7.3 manual and a beater car to tool around in. But if I couldn't get a beater, I would still get a 7.3 manual because I reckon the fuel saving would probably offset the repair costs.

[Ryan218]

****** huge..i like it!

[quick35th]

I am beginning to realize that I probably am not going to be able to afford that tan truck that I drove the other day. I like it but there are others out there like it for less so its no biggie really.

Now that I have driven a DRW SD I have a feel for what they are suppose to act like and handle. The Grey and Black '02 Lariat SD that I posted on page one of this thread is prolly going to be the one that I go after unless I find another good one local. Its just shy of 3 hours away so its not to bad of a drive for it.

Kevin,

I do have a beater car that I drive every day, actually I have a choice of either a '98 svt contour or a '01 Mustang GT so the diesel SD will sit infront of my mother's most of the time. Thats what the Expedition is doing right now, its been prolly a month since last I drove it.

Shane

[Ryan218]

I am beginning to realize that I probably am not going to be able to afford that tan truck that I drove the other day. I like it but there are others out there like it for less so its no biggie really.

Now that I have driven a DRW SD I have a feel for what they are suppose to act like and handle. The Grey and Black '02 Lariat SD that I posted on page one of this thread is prolly going to be the one that I go after unless I find another good one local. Its just shy of 3 hours away so its not to bad of a drive for it.

Kevin,

I do have a beater car that I drive every day, actually I have a choice of either a '98 svt contour or a '01 Mustang GT so the diesel SD will sit infront of my mother's most of the time. Thats what the Expedition is doing right now, its been prolly a month since last I drove it.

Shane


yeah saw it sitting there today when i drove by...in the same place as last time....

and Shane...there's a 91 Red 5.0 GT hatch sitting in kroger's parking lot...is that the one shawn was thinking of buying?....

[quick35th]

yeah saw it sitting there today when i drove by...in the same place as last time....

and Shane...there's a 91 Red 5.0 GT hatch sitting in kroger's parking lot...is that the one shawn was thinking of buying?....

Thats correct. It be good for you since its an automatic ;) To bad its $4k.

Shane

[Super XR7]

Well today I went and test drove an '03 F350 SD with the 7.3L, CC, DRW, 4x4, Lariet. The unfortunate thing about it was that it is an automatic :( It had roughly 138k on the odometer which is not to bad. They want $18,900 for it which prolly is not that bad of a price either.

There were a few things that seemed to bug me about the truck. One being that it felt like there was "play" in the transmission. Play being if I just tap the gas for a second while moving I very slightly felt a "jerking" effect almost like the gearing was ultra steep in it for towing. Not sure if that is normal or not. I know it shifted into every gear fine but seemed to shift into OD kinda rough. My second gripe about the truck was that while cruising down the freeway doing 70mph the tach read 2250 RPM which I dont know if thats typical of a truck like this or if it had not gone into OD at that point.

One nice thing about it is that it rides really smoothly, is not all bumpy and bouncy like my expedition, and has plenty of power to pull out and pass on the freeway.

I think it had an aftermarket exhaust on it because oh man did it sound good while the dealer man pulled it away to park it after the test drive. I could tell that someone either took care of it or modded it because it had an aftermarket exhaust temp gauge mounted just off to the right of the steering wheel below the gauge cluster.

Anyways here are some pics of it that I took with my cell phone camera.

So what do you guys think about this truck?


Are you sure it is a 7.3L; I thought the 03's had the 6.0 V8

Mike

[NRTrackStar]

Are you sure it is a 7.3L; I thought the 03's had the 6.0 V8

Mike

It was a mid year change in 2003, so I believe there were some 7.3's made that year.

[Super XR7]

It was a mid year change in 2003, so I believe there were some 7.3's made that year.

I did not know that, thanks.

Mike

[boosc]

Yeah they made 03 with the 7.3 just hard to find, with a 6sp even harder.

[Ryan218]

Thats correct. It be good for you since its an automatic ;) To bad its $4k.

Shane

i already got a 5.0 :D..but its broken right now :(

autos suck....end of story...im swaping mine to a 5 speed next winter...

[quick35th]

i already got a 5.0 :D..but its broken right now :(

autos suck....end of story...im swaping mine to a 5 speed next winter...

What broke on the 5.0L?

Shane

[Ryan218]

What broke on the 5.0L?

Shane

wiring nightmare...had to rewire some things :( all done now...i have no idea whats up with the ignition...works some days don't the other....so i have a back up now if it dont start...push button hidden in the car to start it....something is messed up in the column i think..but im to cheap to replace it right now :D

[Jacob_Royer]

Well today I went and test drove an '03 F350 SD with the 7.3L, CC, DRW, 4x4, Lariet. The unfortunate thing about it was that it is an automatic :( It had roughly 138k on the odometer which is not to bad. They want $18,900 for it which prolly is not that bad of a price either.

There were a few things that seemed to bug me about the truck. One being that it felt like there was "play" in the transmission. Play being if I just tap the gas for a second while moving I very slightly felt a "jerking" effect almost like the gearing was ultra steep in it for towing. Not sure if that is normal or not. I know it shifted into every gear fine but seemed to shift into OD kinda rough. My second gripe about the truck was that while cruising down the freeway doing 70mph the tach read 2250 RPM which I dont know if thats typical of a truck like this or if it had not gone into OD at that point.

One nice thing about it is that it rides really smoothly, is not all bumpy and bouncy like my expedition, and has plenty of power to pull out and pass on the freeway.

I think it had an aftermarket exhaust on it because oh man did it sound good while the dealer man pulled it away to park it after the test drive. I could tell that someone either took care of it or modded it because it had an aftermarket exhaust temp gauge mounted just off to the right of the steering wheel below the gauge cluster.

Anyways here are some pics of it that I took with my cell phone camera.

So what do you guys think about this truck?

Shane


Any auto is about done at 150/200k behind a desiel.. The only auto out there that will last behind one is a Allision... Fords auto's feel sloppy like that.. The 1/2 tons did so did the bigger trucks.. It seems that a stick was alot more common in a cummins dodge from what i've seen.. I've drove power strokes cummins and duramax trucks and have never got a chance to pull with a cummins(at least not in a pickup) but they behave more like a TRUCK motor as in big truck.. Sound like one too.. I've pulled 12k with a 00 auto powerstroke and was not all that impressed.. Probably not that bad with a stick.. Over the weekend we had a big family campout and I got a chance to go pickup a 40' 5th wheel camper (around 11k) with a 10k mile 07 duramax/allison truck and all i can say is wow! Supposed to be 360 horse stock! Where we were camping at you had to drive some really nasty twisty hilly backroads to get too with some nasty grades, comming in with my truck the last hill you cant get a run-and go at and i was down to 1st gear and mustered about 20mph max! I had all our bikes 2 atv's in the bed and a full water tank so i'd say at least 8000lbs + the truck.. Anyway when i went and got the 5th wheel with in-laws 07 durramax i had the allision in 4th gear running 45mph at half throttle and could have gone alot faster if i wanted.. That combo is just downright sweet... I don't know how the other 07 desiel trucks are but by far the durramax is the strongest pulling truck i've yet to experiance expecially for being bone stock! The manual/auto shift mode is absolutely the sh** for pulling.. Not much for the looks of the new body style trucks but geeze that thing was a monster i could only imagine with a chip and exhaust what it would do! He said it gets 20/22 empty and about 18mpg with the 5th wheel.. It would be nice if you could pick a motor/tranny combo in your 3/4ton or larger trucks (this was a 2500hd).. A cummins/allison in a ford body would be sweet.. This dude is a desiel machanic for a living and said that the new twin-turbo power strokes are having alot of trouble with the turbo's comming apart or he would have bought one, he also said that he likes the cummins engine more but he needed an auto for his wife's sake and dodge doesen't know how to make a good one(never did)

[Jacob_Royer]

One more thing i think i've found one of the reason's that tritons are so darn wimpy... I wieghed the f-150 tonight at work and this is what i came up with..

99 f150 XLt
reg cab 4x4
cloth seats,pw,pdl
5.4/auto
Alum Wheels
No reese hitch
No Spare
No Tool Box Or other Accecories
Me 200lbs
4950lbs with 1/4 tank gas

98 chevy 1500 silverado
Ext cab 3-door
Fully power leather seats,PW,PDL
5.7/auto
Alum Wheels
Class III Reese Hitch
Spare Tire
Diamond Tread Tool Box Fully loaded Est 300/400lbs.
Me 200lbs
5300lbs with 3/4+ tank

So i'm guessing that a fully loaded lariat with a spare, tow package ext cab and a tool box would be pretty damn heavy.. Maybe this is whats going on with the power in the f-150's??

[quick35th]

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=229550535&dealer_id=54810687&car_year=2000&num_records=25&model=F350&make3=&make2=&start_year=1999&keywordsrep=&engine=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&only_price=1&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model3=&model2=&color3=&color2=&search_lang=&first_record=101&make=FORD&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=10&isDWSI=false&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=43026&only_photo=1&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=100&transmission=&doors=Four+Door&max_price=20000&cardist=186

I am interested in this truck, I called them today and they told me that its got 230k miles on it but the transmission was rebuilt 20k miles ago. They also said that the truck is in very good shape, that it looks like it has 70k miles on it not 230k. This only is also closer to what I wanted to pay for one so thats a plus.

So what do you guys think? Buy a truck with 146k that I am not sure of the condition of the transmission or a truck that has 230k on it but only has 20k on a rebuilt transmission.

Shane

[David Neibert]

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=229550535&dealer_id=54810687&car_year=2000&num_records=25&model=F350&make3=&make2=&start_year=1999&keywordsrep=&engine=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&only_price=1&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model3=&model2=&color3=&color2=&search_lang=&first_record=101&make=FORD&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=10&isDWSI=false&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=43026&only_photo=1&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=100&transmission=&doors=Four+Door&max_price=20000&cardist=186

I am interested in this truck, I called them today and they told me that its got 230k miles on it but the transmission was rebuilt 20k miles ago. They also said that the truck is in very good shape, that it looks like it has 70k miles on it not 230k. This only is also closer to what I wanted to pay for one so thats a plus.

So what do you guys think? Buy a truck with 146k that I am not sure of the condition of the transmission or a truck that has 230k on it but only has 20k on a rebuilt transmission.

Shane

Shane,

I vote for option C...Keep what you have until you can afford something better. You don't need a bigger truck, you just want a bigger truck.

David

[Pablo94SC]

I vote Option D. Keep what you have until you get your 5.0/SC running.

[quick35th]

I vote Option D. Keep what you have until you get your 5.0/SC running.

Its been running for close to a month now :D

Shane

[birds4us]

You could always buy our F350.

[quick35th]

You could always buy our F350.

That would be cool but my only problem is that its to old for me to get a loan out for it.

Shane

[Smutty]

I bought a 89 F250 Diesel for $50 plus auction fees. A few repairs and I was on the road for under $500. It pulls anything no problem. If it overheats I open the little triangle windows infront of the big ones. I get 4 tanks/year mileage. Its a regluar cab but if I ever need an extended cab I use the $25,000 I saved by buying a used truck to buy whatever I would have brought with me when I finally get there.(including a woman)

[Jacob_Royer]

When it comes to a diesel truck this prety much sums it up..


Dodge=Best Engine worst truck
Ford=Best truck
Chevy=Best tranny almost as good of truck as the ford

Dodge's are cheapest by far and a stick was very common.. A cummins pulls great and sounds mean and from what i've seen they get more miles out of the engine than ford or chevy..

Dodge auto's are crap!

Chevys are crap without the allision and the early duramax was weak.

Fords suck with an auto, engine wise the 7.3 was probably the best ZF 6 speed is great but usualy = no options.

Friend of mine has a 12 valve (earlier cummins) 5 speed 2500 dodge and gets 25mpg empty 20 pulling! the 24 valve like alot more fuel but have more horsepower though the 12valve motors are ALOT easier/cheaper to get power out of.. ALot of free stuff you can do on the cummins for more power.

Chevy has a nicer interior and there more basic models have almost what the XLT has..

Fords have a funtional not as luxury but durrable interior

Dodge has a cheap interior but it works very much like the 70's trucks..

I have 2 friends with powerstrokes one a 6.0/auto and the other a 7.3/6speed the 7.3 gets 17mpg average and 15mpg pulling the 6.0 gets 18 empty 12/14 pulling.. The mileage doesen't really justify the expense of a diesel.. I hate to admit it but if i was to buy one i'd look for a non abused stick 2500 dodge cummins truck.. Better milleage, cheaper price, sounds like a big rig.... Why don't you go out and test drive a cummins and duramax truck and just compare?? Is it really a ford when the engine is made by international? Is it really a dodge when cummins powers it?? is it really chevy when Isuzu powers it??

[The_Ghost]

Guys I have decided that I am going to buy a '99-'03 F350 super duty, crew cab, 4x4, long bed, and preferably be a dually. I'd also like to have a manual transmission but they are hard to come by. Anyways but my reason for this thread is I cant nail down which engine I want to have in it, either the V10 or the 7.3L diesel, the 6.0L diesel is not even being considered.

I love the diesels and everything that they can do, they tow great and have tons of power, but what I would fear is the cost of upkeep with a diesel and parts for it are extremely pricey. Plus if something went wrong with it I'd probably be at a lose in figuring out whats wrong with it.

So thats where the V10 comes into play. Its almost as powerful as the diesel, gets close to the same fuel milage, and would be cheaper to work on and parts are way less. Plus a lot of guys clame to get well over 300k out of them without a rebuild.

Pretty much I want you guy's opinions on either engine and on which engine you think that I would be better suited with. I will be towing an open trailer to start with it then eventually move on up to somewhere in between a 20-30 foot enclosed race trailer. It will likely not see much daily driving since I have a '98 SVT contour that I drive currently.

Shane

SHANE:
LONG STORY SHORT-- 7.3L TURBODIESEL
DO NOT GET THAT PIECE OF CRAP V10.

I have driven the V10 and it is WEEEAAAAK.
The 7.3L and its ridiculous torque should more than satisfy your needs. And then you've got all the banks goodies available.

Diesels are great. I work on them a lot at work, and the Chevy Duramax Turbodiesels are pretty popular, too. But the people who are happiest with their rigs (that aren't work-owned vehicles) are the guys with the Fords.

Oh, it also costs a fortune to change the oil in a diesel-- the Powerstroke diesel takes 15 quarts. Most diesel guys will request Mobil Delo400. I personally like Shell Rotella T or Castrol Tection, but that's just me.

Soooo yeah. Dude, long story short, really, get the fricken diesel. I just spoke with a guy who tows a 5th wheel and hated how weak his V10 felt, so he traded in for a 7.3L turbo of the same year and the difference was night and day. It didn't suffer at all. Not only that, I figure you might be dealing with long distance hauls, yes? Altitude does NOT affect turbocharged/supercharged vehicles-- another good reason to consider it.

Buy a diesel and get ridiculous torque and life out of it as long as you take care of it proper (ie regular fuel filter changes at or before manufacturer sugg interval, frequent ATF changes when towing, regular oil changes)... Everybody who's got a diesel swears by the things and really you can't question their obscene torque.

yeah enough rambling.

The cummins TDs are not nearly as common as the fords and chevys in my neck of the woods. The dodges I see are usually pretty poorly taken care of... so shop wisely.

I'd suggest checking out the truck you listed. Offer em $1000 under asking and go from there. It looks like a nice truck and it's been well taken care of. I think you could easily get another 100k out of it.

Your friend,
Ghost

[Jacob_Royer]

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=229550535&dealer_id=54810687&car_year=2000&num_records=25&model=F350&make3=&make2=&start_year=1999&keywordsrep=&engine=&keywordsfyc=&certified=&fuel=&body_code=0&only_price=1&search_type=both&distance=300&marketZipError=false&model3=&model2=&color3=&color2=&search_lang=&first_record=101&make=FORD&color=&page_location=findacar%3A%3Aispsearchform&min_price=10&isDWSI=false&drive=&default_sort=priceDESC&max_mileage=&style_flag=1&sort_type=priceDESC&address=43026&only_photo=1&advanced=y&end_year=2008&pager.offset=100&transmission=&doors=Four+Door&max_price=20000&cardist=186

I am interested in this truck, I called them today and they told me that its got 230k miles on it but the transmission was rebuilt 20k miles ago. They also said that the truck is in very good shape, that it looks like it has 70k miles on it not 230k. This only is also closer to what I wanted to pay for one so thats a plus.

So what do you guys think? Buy a truck with 146k that I am not sure of the condition of the transmission or a truck that has 230k on it but only has 20k on a rebuilt transmission.

Shane


Thats about 10 minutes from where i work.. Lot i bought the SC off has 5/6 diesel trucks a ford a chevy some dodge's and his prices are always good.. I bought 2 vehicles from him below wholesale! I'll swing in there on my way to work and see what he has and let you know..

[Jacob_Royer]

Today on my way home i saw somthing you'd probably like

03 f250 sd 4x4 ext cab
powerstroke 6 speed
red XLT lariat
tinted windows,line x,stainless tool box
banks turbo and intercooler
edge programer
exhaust
sweet set of aftermarked 16's looks to be rolling on 33's..
a pilar pod with boost and EGT gauge
mint body and interior
aftermarket clutch..

Price i will find out tommarow i just red the paper in the window and he didnt have a price on it but its a sweet truck.. Same place i bought the SC and integra from...Always been good to deel with and cheap prices..

[Jacob_Royer]

$17,500 its a 00 by the way.. Also has a goosekneck hide-a-hitch

[quick35th]

$17,500 its a 00 by the way.. Also has a goosekneck hide-a-hitch

Thanks for the info. I am going to hold off on buying a diesel for a few more months in hopes of a nice one with a 6spd popping up local. I'll keep that one in mind though if its still for sale by time I am ready to make the move.

Shane

[Greg Coleman]

Well it may not be heavy dutty or a work truck but heres my baby. http://www.sccoa.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=26164&d=1177272195


i was going to tow down my wifes 94 for a tune and a race at the shoot out but the bottom end just went so we will be bringing the harley and my wife and I but no SC's as they are now both down.At least we can meet everyone and have a good time anyhow.:D

[1HUMINBIRD]

Nice truck, Greg.

You likely have a bike to go with that rig?

[Ryan218]

Thanks for the info. I am going to hold off on buying a diesel for a few more months in hopes of a nice one with a 6spd popping up local. I'll keep that one in mind though if its still for sale by time I am ready to make the move.

Shane

go cobra!!!! ill find ya a nice one for cheap...

hey shane when ya get a chance get on AIM

[Greg Coleman]

No bike to go with it.Just a 94 SC and an 89 xr7 that take to much money to build up.:D