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Slysc
12-07-2007, 09:52 PM
If someone were to make a new mold for an SC hood and make carbon fiber hoods and fiberglass hoods, what style hood should they do?

1. 3" Cowl Induction Hood, pin on 4 corners.
2. 3" Cowl Induction Hood, stock hinges, pin down front.
3. Heat extractor hood, pin on 4 corners
4. Heat extractor hood, stock hinges, pin down front.
5. Other

posjr
12-07-2007, 10:00 PM
I would hate to get a 4 pin cornor for everyday use. Would be a hassle. But cant you make any aftermarket hood 4 pin :confused:

Heat extractor hood would be nice. Would be a one of a kind on a bird for awhile.

Or even a functional ram air hood.

https://www.cervinis.com/large.aspx?img=8032,8029,8030_820.jpg

THE BIRDMAN
12-08-2007, 02:22 AM
What might the heat extractor version look like?I vote for a bolt on style.And I've always loved the cobra r svo hood and wish someone made those for our cars.



Jay

T-bird Tim
12-08-2007, 09:48 AM
I would love to see one styled after the WS6 Trans Am. I love the quality and looks of the Cervini Mach 1 but it needs to be another inch and a half taller. Any of the hoods should use the factory hinges and latches. Lift off is too much hasle for a daily driver or if you are at any gas station and want to check your fluids, or break down. If you are by yourself it would be no fun trying to get a lift-off hood off your car without scratching it to hell.

Slysc
12-08-2007, 11:48 AM
The 4 pin style isn't too popular but we could do it with just one mold whereas to use the stock hinges we would have to build a mold to make an inner and another mold to make the outer, then laminate them together. Naturally that drives the cost of the hood up significantly.

The heat extractor would be similar to the design that is available for the 03 Cobras. I'll get a graphic designer to draw one up.

CMac89
12-08-2007, 04:45 PM
Heat extractor with pins on four corners.

Hinges get in the way too much and a hood off of the car exposes more sunlight to see what you are working on and nothing is in the way.

THE BIRDMAN
12-08-2007, 09:43 PM
Yeah a heat extractor styled like the one for the 03 cobra that would be bad a**.I'd definetly be interested as long as it's not crazy expensive.



Jay

PReDiTR91
12-09-2007, 07:28 PM
Is this wishful thinking or someone is goingto make this? I like SCP inc's cowl hood but would like it to be 3.5 center rise!

seawalkersee
12-10-2007, 10:15 PM
I would like to see some different designs than are currently available. I REALLY would like a Firebird style TA hood that is about an inch higher than the stock one, but I have to figure out what will clear the top on my blower before I commit.

Chris

KwikGSeX
12-11-2007, 02:45 PM
Im in for a 3" cowl hood with 4 pin on's.. Heat extractor is just not the right look for the car but a 3" cowl will make the car look beefy as HeIl

And this is a reality if enough people are interested.. A carbon fiber cowl hood will weigh probably less than 1/2 of what a fiberglass hood will..

I know on my Talon the stock hood weighs around 50lbs.. And the carbon fiber is a little under 10.. Let me not get started on the hatch and doors (5lbs for the hatch and 15lbs on the doors)

If anyone says Cobra R style hood I hope you come to Carlisle or the Shootout cause I will kick you in the nuts..

Ira R.
12-11-2007, 10:13 PM
3" cowl is too much. Need something a little more subtle, about half the height.

Ira

XxSlowpokexX
12-12-2007, 08:46 AM
Coba R style!>>>Seriously though...What about 4/95 hoods?..Is that an option as well?

Want2LearnTBIRD
12-12-2007, 11:56 AM
Heat extractor with pins on four corners.

Slysc
12-12-2007, 12:02 PM
The pricing that I'm getting back preliminarily is saying that carbon fiber sheet is $50/yard. It's going to take 3 yards per layer for an SC hood. That's just the sheet. Then we've got resin, labor and the ammorization of the mold cost into the piece price (depending on the volume). I should have a pretty accurate per hood cost soon.

seawalkersee
12-12-2007, 02:15 PM
Wow...we are looking at $450+ per unit by my estimate for a lift off hood then.

Chris

rzibilske77
12-12-2007, 02:21 PM
Wow...we are looking at $450+ per unit by my estimate for a lift off hood then.

Chris

isnt that the going price for any after market hood these days?:(

Toms-SC
12-12-2007, 03:10 PM
3' Cowl Induction stock hinges, pin down front

$450 is very reasonable for a hood considering one for ricers are around $350. Nice job Sly.

seawalkersee
12-12-2007, 06:37 PM
$450 is MY guess...not Dans price. I want to see what it will be. I would bet it is more than that since only one layer would be close to nine yards.

Chris

thunderbird96
12-12-2007, 07:01 PM
03 cobra style heat extractor hood with the reverse vent's

Thunder95
12-13-2007, 02:06 PM
I'm with Jason, the reverse vent heat extractor...

But, I've always loved the idea of a 2000 Cobra R hood for our cars. Sign me up right now!

-Joel

KwikGSeX
12-15-2007, 06:53 AM
A GOOD Carbon Fiber hood for an Eclipse is $550+ shipped to your door.. I would expect a non-mainstream hood like the one Dan is planning on to be in the $650+ range shipped..

rjgraul
12-15-2007, 09:40 AM
3" cowl is too much. Need something a little more subtle, about half the height.

Ira



I agree. Some of us live in states that have state imposed hood hights above the dash board, depending on the year of the car, for street use. The Super Coupe is limited to 1 7/8" about the dash board.

Ralph
94 Red SC

Mike8675309
12-17-2007, 11:06 PM
I'm shopping for a hood right now. I need more clearance, so if you would do heat extractor, would there be more rise near the center for say a taller SC top?

If not I would need to go with a cowl hood.

XxSlowpokexX
12-19-2007, 05:42 PM
heat extractor style with a slight bulge for extra clearance

cmill95
12-19-2007, 05:46 PM
so after this poll, what? is there going to be molds made? maybe a GP? if so i hope the hinged heat extractor would be one thats made. i'd definatly be down for one. it'd be sooo sweet!!

Slysc
12-21-2007, 11:18 AM
I have been working with a guy who does custom fiberglass and carbon fiber and he will be providing a quote for a carbon fiber hood base upon an order of about 10-15 of them. If I post the price and it doesn't make sense, we probably won't proceed with the building of the molds but if the quote looks good and there is a demand, we will build them.

Slysc
12-21-2007, 01:50 PM
OK, here's the "hood scoop", I can get a carbon fiber hood made which has only the outside layer and still have structural pieces molded in where the hinges will go. The plan for the first mold is to be a heat extractor hood with extra clearance. The mold will be made using a mocked up cervini mach 1 hood in which the nostriles have been closed off and the heat extractor vents are forward of that area. The vents will be somewhat like the picture attached and the additional hood clearance will be the same as the cervini.
The price we are shooting for is $400 each. The finish might not be the kind of finish that you could leave unpainted to admire the carbon fiber mat under the clear resin. If that is an important feature to anyone, we may try to develop that. At this time I won't know the weight of the finished hood and the quality of the finish. If someone want's to be the guinea pig to put up cash for the first hood, I could work out a better price. PM me if you're that guy. After the first one, I'll have the pictures and specs. etc.

Thunder95
12-21-2007, 02:47 PM
So is there only going to be one year of hood made? I might of missed it but I would need a 97... is this acceptable?

-Joel

Burbank95sc
12-21-2007, 04:23 PM
I'd go with 3'' cowl, anything smaller won't clear my new set up:D.Cobra R hood has about 3'' cowl.Are you going to make them for early models only?3'' cowl shouldn't be too tall,here is the picture from inside the car with Cobra r hood.

THE BIRDMAN
12-21-2007, 08:10 PM
I like the look of the heat extractors it should look sweet.As others have asked what year cars is the hood gonna be for?


Jay

Mike8675309
12-22-2007, 11:20 PM
My thought in regards to the style of carbon fiber hood. As there is no heat extractor version available in any material, I like the idea of a heat extractor as the first carbon fiber model. If folks want a hood like one that already exists, they can still get that hood in fiberglass now while the market grows for these carbon fiber units.

If possible, i would suggest that in making any hood, the process be built such that a change over in hood center is not a significant cost. Focus on getting the outside dimensions accurate and make the center section so that it can be changed based on the need. Even better, make the front part of the hood piece also variable to handle the different model years.

I wouldn't be against making the heat extractor hood with 3" or so of clearance in the center.

XR7 Dave
12-23-2007, 10:38 AM
Anyone buying the first one? How much extra clearance? I need a 'lil extra', probably as much as the Mach I hood.

When do you need money for the first one?

Mike8675309
12-23-2007, 02:46 PM
I sent him a PM. I wouldn't be surprised if others did. I'll buy the first one to get the ball rolling if no one else will.

Slysc
12-23-2007, 08:33 PM
I have a few volunteers to buy the first hood. I'll be working on the mock-up hood we will use to make the mold. I'll show some pictures of it before we make the mold. It should have the same center clearance as a Mach 1 style hood.

tim
12-25-2007, 09:44 AM
Ok so $400 is not a bad price. If its that light, I mean lighter than my glass hood, I would like it made as a pin on i really dont see me opening and closing a new hood, lift off for me. How about a trunk lid. One that weights like nothing would be great. doors would be nice too. Light is fast.:D

CMac89
12-25-2007, 11:36 AM
NO OPTIONS FOR A PRO STOCK HOOD??????????????????:) HAAAAAAAA

A trunk lid would be nice to have, as well. Although, that is where you need the weight.

I was lookin at my '95 SC parts car and it had a steel trunk lid, but it looked like the bracing was all fiberglass.

I really don't mind which hood is made, but just as long as it has some height built into it to clear the blower that I am going to run. So in order to do that I would need the 3" hood probably.

Definitely 4-pin though. It's WAAAYY easier to work on a car with the hinges and hood out of the way.

XR7 Dave
12-25-2007, 07:46 PM
Definitely 4-pin though. It's WAAAYY easier to work on a car with the hinges and hood out of the way.

SOME of us don't need to work on our cars very often. :p

Mike8675309
12-25-2007, 10:06 PM
With the hood design, I would think that 4pin only would make it a little cheaper, but to support the hinges I feel would lead to more sales. Adding a few stress points to the hinge corners should cover those that want to add 4 pins rather than use the hinges and if it adds additional cost to the whole unit, I would believe the cost would be minor for the added benefit to sales.

CMac89
12-25-2007, 10:20 PM
Either way it isn't a big problem.

Build all of the hoods with bungs on them to bolt up to the stock hinges and if someone wants a 4-pin hood, drill the two holes.

Toms-SC
12-27-2007, 02:13 AM
Urg. If its like your describing it make sure you've got two holes where the Honda badge should go. :(

Mercutio
12-28-2007, 07:38 PM
I'd be in for a stock-style 94/95 or 96/97 2-pin hood. I like the sleeper look, and I'm just in it for the weight savings.

ricardoa1
12-28-2007, 07:55 PM
I'd be in for a stock-style 94/95 or 96/97 2-pin hood. I like the sleeper look, and I'm just in it for the weight savings.

If thats all you want, get one from VFN.
http://www.vfnfiberglass.com/site.htm

tydlwavs
12-28-2007, 10:56 PM
http://www.tiger-racing.com/forsale/images/hood.jpg

I vote for heat extractor and some center clearance. I've been searching for some ideas myself. I would like to see more options for the early cars.

franky_402
12-29-2007, 07:02 AM
im in the market for a new hood also, mine has a lot of rust on it. Definite price and pics will do good. Probably wont be untill early feb though!!

THE BIRDMAN
01-06-2008, 09:18 PM
Sly has there been anymore progress on this or any updates?



Jay

tydlwavs
01-06-2008, 09:24 PM
Just FYI. I can work with VFN Fiberglass if we want another style hood for the early cars. It just might take some phone calls and some serious interest to get the hood made.

Thanks,
Todd

Slysc
01-11-2008, 01:33 PM
Sly has there been anymore progress on this or any updates?

Jay

I am working with the guy who would be making the molds, he's getting firmed up costs for supplies and carbon fiber sheets, resin, etc. The mocked up hood that we plan to use for casting the mold is coming along well. I could post some pictures of the mocked up hood soon.

cmill95
01-11-2008, 01:36 PM
so is there a definate model/style and a year range for the hood being produced?

Slysc
01-11-2008, 03:25 PM
The first mold is going to be for an 89-93 heat extractor.

cmill95
01-11-2008, 03:29 PM
damn, damn, damn!! oh, well. maybe the same for the 94-95s next?

seawalkersee
01-11-2008, 07:42 PM
Will it be a pin on hood or hinged?

Chris

tim
01-12-2008, 08:17 AM
What is it going to weigh?

SCvidar
01-12-2008, 08:54 AM
Hi All
The vote says "Heat Extractor, stock hinges, pin down front" ;)
But what do I know :confused:

mywhite89
01-15-2008, 05:28 PM
I am patiently waiting to buy one of these. My time for a paintjob keeps getting closer and closer!

THE BIRDMAN
01-16-2008, 12:00 AM
I am working with the guy who would be making the molds, he's getting firmed up costs for supplies and carbon fiber sheets, resin, etc. The mocked up hood that we plan to use for casting the mold is coming along well. I could post some pictures of the mocked up hood soon.



Sweet can't wait to see the pics


Jay

KwikGSeX
01-16-2008, 09:46 AM
The first mold is going to be for an 89-93 heat extractor.


Great I gave you the idea and you dont even make one for the year my SC is :mad: LoL

Slysc
01-16-2008, 09:15 PM
To do a 94/95 style hood, I will need a hood to use for casting the mold. I don't have any 94/95 hoods right now so I'll get things started with the 89-93.

tydlwavs
01-16-2008, 09:25 PM
Please post pictures when time permits. I'd like to see the vents.

THE BIRDMAN
01-30-2008, 12:14 AM
Please post pictures when time permits. I'd like to see the vents.

Ditto



Jay

thunderbird96
02-10-2008, 11:22 PM
so what's up with the hood? when will it be ready for purchase.

Slysc
02-11-2008, 10:38 AM
I haven't made any progress in the past month. I'll spare you my many excuses. When I am ready to take orders, I'll post on the New Products forum.

Status: Mock up hood has one side roughed in.
Next steps:
1. Finish Mock up hood.
2. Create Mold from Mock up hood.
3. Mold 1st hood
4. Design and apply underside hood structure.
5. Send out guinea pig hood(s) for fast feedback.
6. Implement fast feedback ideas.
7. Full volume production.
8. Start process with 94-95 style hood.

THE BIRDMAN
02-11-2008, 09:49 PM
Cool kep us posted cause I'm pretty sure this is the hood I want for my car.Atleast if it comes out how I see it in my head.


jay

mywhite89
02-12-2008, 04:17 PM
I am holding up on a paintjob for this hood. Looking forward to the new product when complete.

Hock
02-13-2008, 05:24 PM
We need to get out of our shells a little more gents. There in fact is a "heat extractor" style hood available for our cars but it cost $699 for a hinged style.

Heres the link: http://www.usbody.com/Pages_Cars/83-Thunderbird.htm

I found it a few years ago but haven't been able to get it yet. I would definitly rather go with carbon fiber over fiberglass and would much rather pay way less than $699 for one.

Can't wait to see the outcome Sly!

THE BIRDMAN
02-26-2008, 05:30 AM
We need to get out of our shells a little more gents. There in fact is a "heat extractor" style hood available for our cars but it cost $699 for a hinged style.

Heres the link: http://www.usbody.com/Pages_Cars/83-Thunderbird.htm

I found it a few years ago but haven't been able to get it yet. I would definitly rather go with carbon fiber over fiberglass and would much rather pay way less than $699 for one.

Can't wait to see the outcome Sly!



Good find but I don't like the way that one looks.Plus if someone really liked that they could build one alot cheaper buy buying a 300 cowl induction hood and modifing it into that style.


Jay

Hock
02-26-2008, 04:34 PM
Plus if someone really liked that they could build one alot cheaper buy buying a 300 cowl induction hood and modifing it into that style.


Jay

I agree with you completely. I would rather see that more on a Cobra R style hood. I personally think it would look better that way.

nwnsc
05-02-2008, 01:29 PM
fit, fit,fithas to fit right. most hoods don't fit right! cervins seam to fit farily good, but if it dose not have proper gaps, lenght, and match fender conturs. will not look good. seen too many aftermarket hoods fit like ~~~~! had honda kids come to me and have me rework the edges and paint there $300 carbonfiber hoods to make them fit. one Q is will it allready be clear coated? carbonfiber needs a good polyurthane clear coat aplyed to it or it will oxide with sun light. have you seen the ones that get cloudly from sun bakeing the resion? not to be a downer just i fix the honda kids sun baked non fiting hoods all the time!:rolleyes:

THE BIRDMAN
07-19-2008, 10:18 AM
Sly any updates?



Jay

Slysc
07-21-2008, 08:42 AM
When the prototype that I planned to use to make the mold from was complete, I had a styling peer review and we decided that we didn't like it. I scrapped that hood and haven't made another.

I may ressurect the project but for now it's dead.

To get it moving again, I would need a hood to use for forming the mold.

Sorry

rzimmerl
07-21-2008, 09:05 AM
I have a hood or two thats ready for the scrap yard. I'll donate them if you are interested Dan. Both are for 89-93 cars.

Dirtyd0g
11-02-2008, 01:53 AM
I have a 95 hood if needed. I have no use for it. I scrapped 2 of them already.
Alan

Dirtyd0g
06-25-2009, 12:09 AM
Any update on this? The gt-41 looks good for my machine but it is a 95.
Alan

ricardoa1
06-25-2009, 12:43 PM
Any update on this? The gt-41 looks good for my machine but it is a 95.
Alan

I think this project is DEAD..........................................:o

Dirtyd0g
06-27-2009, 01:07 AM
me too....

gormoe35th
07-07-2009, 06:11 PM
cowl but with NO pins they are a slopy look in my opinion

mmchenry
07-08-2009, 01:10 PM
I have a mold for my hood, if anyone thought it would be useful.

XxSlowpokexX
07-09-2009, 12:37 AM
:cool::rolleyes:;):D:cool::rolleyes:DO tellll

mmchenry
07-11-2009, 10:22 AM
Ted Lyons had his hood custom made and I have the mold. I don't know what all is involved, but I think it could be used.

Mike8675309
07-19-2009, 08:48 PM
When the prototype that I planned to use to make the mold from was complete, I had a styling peer review and we decided that we didn't like it. I scrapped that hood and haven't made another.

I may ressurect the project but for now it's dead.

To get it moving again, I would need a hood to use for forming the mold.

Sorry

I know a couple folk in the Detroit area that might be able to come up with a hood. interested?

tydlwavs
07-19-2009, 09:34 PM
mmchenry

I worked with VFN to make the 96/97 cowl hood. It wasn't the biggest hit on the planet, but I see more of them on the road than the cervini style around IL.

I would be willing to work with you and VFN to develop another fiberglass and carbon fiber hood. You can have either if you have the coin.

If interested drop me a line and we can proceed. We need 10 hoods of ANY style and ANY model to get a discounted price on the hoods. Pin on hoods are cheaper than bolt on.

PS, I am SURE we can take heat extractors from another hood and mold them into the style that Cobra SC had.

SCDan35thANV
05-21-2013, 03:35 PM
reviving an old thread to stir interest would be sweet to see a nice carbon fiber hood for our cars :D

J dot Miller
05-22-2013, 06:14 PM
For the fun of it I called Rob from Fiber Concepts (http://fiberpartsconcepts.com/). He was in Florida picking up a car. I informed him that there is some interest in carbon fiber here and emailed him the link. He said the process is different. But he will look into it when he returns next week.
:)

SCDan35thANV
05-23-2013, 01:17 PM
For the fun of it I called Rob from Fiber Concepts (http://fiberpartsconcepts.com/). He was in Florida picking up a car. I informed him that there is some interest in carbon fiber here and emailed him the link. He said the process is different. But he will look into it when he returns next week.
:)

Thanks for making the call I could be dreaming here but would anyone else be interested in a Cobra R hood in CF?

J dot Miller
05-27-2013, 08:43 PM
I wonder if there is an interest?
:confused:

ricardoa1
05-28-2013, 08:49 AM
I wonder if there is an interest?
:confused:

I'm only interested in the Cobra SC hood. I've seen it in person Its very classy much nicer than a cobra r