Day One.

[2TonCat]

I can already hear the crickets.

Tyler is off at boot camp.
Jason is helplessly addicted to Halo on his new X-box.
Marc still has no internet.
Joel is trapped under a mountain of tires that fell on him.
Andy is at work.
Jon is still outside trying to fix his stopping problems.
Brad is studying DOHC 4.6s
And the rest usually don't post much anyway!

This sucks.

[351cat]

Lol, tyler is gone? didnt notice ;)

Wouldnt you be studying DOHC 4.6's if you've never had one and are about to trade your own blood sweat and tears for one?

Halo and Xbox FTL. Turok and PS3 FTW. (i'm gonna get a talkin to for that, and i dont care)

One more week, and i should have meh a dok :D

[2TonCat]

hehe, probably :)

I hope you get that sucker.

And heck, you should be looking into the converter and trans it has! They're even cooler than the motor!

[351cat]

yeah, i'm drafting a PM to Alan as soon as i get done typing this. Hopefully he'll remember the car and can tell me exactly what is and isnt done to the trans. Then i'm gonna PM Lonnie and see if he remembers what tune it has, roughly.

The reason im researching the motor is because its gonna be what needs improving, everything else is already pretty strong. :D

EDIT: i dont think i ever told you that he decided he wants to keep his 18's. And since he wants to keep 'em, and i'm driving to get it, he's gonna throw in a NOS setup :D hehe. and he's gonna pay one way's gas. sweet huh?

Here's a link to the Nitrous kit he's "giving" me.
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=99147

[2TonCat]

Forged bottom end ~9:1 if you want to go crazy fast ~10:1 if you trust your tuner.... Then throw on a blower like Rod's.

The 4vs aren't as easy to do n/a because they don't have a lot of port velocity. That robs some grunt from the motor... The converter does a lot to make up for that, but it still wants to rev to 7k :(

Make the air denser, and you're running proportionally :)

If you don't mind blowing up a bottom end or two, look into Nano Nitrous, or run a un-overdriven vortech on it like Thomas is doing.

[2TonCat]

EDIT: i dont think i ever told you that he decided he wants to keep his 18's. And since he wants to keep 'em, and i'm driving to get it, he's gonna throw in a NOS setup :D hehe. and he's gonna pay one way's gas. sweet huh?

Here's a link to the Nitrous kit he's "giving" me.
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=99147

I hate you.

[351cat]

I edited my last post. :D you posted before i got done w/ it, lol.

[351cat]

SON OF A BITCH, you post fast.


And i dont blame you ;)

[seawalkersee]

Wow...eight posts between the two of you on the same day. I am also thinking about the DOHCs today. I already have some uv the parts but I still be needin me some internals. Forged 9.5 with a big bore and stroke is what I WANT but lts be realistic. I wont be able to spend any money any time soon. I am dopressed about that.

Chris

[2TonCat]

hehe, last I heard about the turbo car, you weren't looking for THAT much power :P

[SuperCharged91]

Found out the the BRAND NEW master Cylinder and BRAND NEW Brake Booster were both bad so had to reorder thoese. I think God hates me or the T-Bird and the devil are working together

[2TonCat]

Holy crap man, You have the worst luck ever with these cars!

Its trying to tell you something... "You cant stop!!! :p Keep putting new parts on me"

[SuperCharged91]

They tried to say since fluid had passed threw the old parts they would not take them back but we connvinced them:D

[2TonCat]

hehe, good deal! Any idea what was wrong with the "new" parts?

[SuperCharged91]

They were sucking air in to the brake lines figured that out after about 16hours of bleeding over 2 days. then the pushrod on the brake booster snapped.

[Melon]

Not all of us are lucky enough to have a job where we sit at a computer all day and can post almost at free will :p

-Melon

[seawalkersee]

Yeah...some of us could be at home on our day off watchin the kids with a lap top in our laps....And I am not looking for all that much power from the turbo car. 350 or so at the wheels should not be that hard to come by. I get angry because the guys on the FI page at LS1tech have all these funky acronyms for their parts so I have to read REALLY carefully like three times to understand WTH they are talking about.

Chris

P.S. Melon, did you find those parts?

[2TonCat]

Yeah...some of us could be at home on our day off watchin the kids with a lap top in our laps....And I am not looking for all that much power from the turbo car. 530 or so at the wheels should not be that hard to come by. I get angry because the guys on the FI page at LS1tech have all these funky acronyms for their parts so I have to read REALLY carefully like three times to understand WTH they are talking about.

Chris

P.S. Melon, did you find those parts?

Fixed :) You transposed a few numbers... Don't worry about it, it happens to all of us :D

Seriously though, you could do 350 with a stock DOHC and a turbo on low boost.

[2TonCat]

Yeah...some of us could be at home on our day off watchin the kids with a lap top in our laps....And I am not looking for all that much power from the turbo car. 350 or so at the wheels should not be that hard to come by. I get angry because the guys on the FI page at LS1tech have all these funky acronyms for their parts so I have to read REALLY carefully like three times to understand WTH they are talking about.

350? LS1 Tech? Forced Induction? .... You're not planning putting that 357 of yours in the bird, are you?

[Melon]

P.S. Melon, did you find those parts?

Affirmative. Delivery will be taken care of within the next week or so. Unless you want them there ASAP - I can get delivered this weekend.

-Melon

[seawalkersee]

Thats fine Melon. As far as the engine goes in the white car, PROBABLY will stay NPI with the Bullitt intake for a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG time. It is going to stay with the modular. The 357 will probably never go into a car as it would have to have a different HCI setup (heads cam intake...from the LS1 site) to even be close to what I wanted from the car. I want to get a blue car and stick an LS1 engine & tranny in it. This way, I can tell which one is better. I have wated a good portion of my adult life on stuff that should have been taken care of. I have wated enough money to purchase a new mustang, F-250, and a GTO by now. I continue to get other parts together because I am going to finish these cars.

Dont fret, the cars will stay with me (so long as I can afford them) because I can not afford to get rid of them. There is no other two door car built in the last 20ish years that has near the room, comfort, power, and feel as the t-bird on this platform.

Chris

[thunderbird96]

im not on the box all the time,im going racing on sunday.

[traveler]

Sorry, I'll try to post more.

Brad, I'd rather have the 18's. But I've never been a fan of Nitrous.

Now, the reason I've not been on is I'm trying to find cheap ways to get some things taken care of.

For example:

1) My remote oil filter. The filter part has cracks in it rendering it useless. Obviously it needs to be replaced. The hoses I have (that I paid WAY too much for) are too short. I can get replacement hoses the right length for less than half what I paid for custom built ones (man, wish the Summit Catalog had come BEFORE I had hoses made). However the replacement hoses have straight ends and the filter mount has openings that point up (When mounted correctly) (following this?). SO, I need to get two 90* fittings to put into the filter mount allowing the hoses to fit in without sharp bends. Fittings are high priced (in my opinion) and don't come in exactly what I want. So I just went to the hardware store and used plumbing. :D

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/traveler62/Miscellaneous/Remote_Oil_01.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/traveler62/Miscellaneous/Remote_Oil_02.jpg

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a1/traveler62/Miscellaneous/Remote_Oil_03.jpg

2) Working on the drivers side head coolant mod. Need the fitting for that. I'll probably get that done this spring. I want the fitting to be at a 90* angle so I will have less bends in the hose that will run to the "T" headed for the heater core.

3) Got word from Lonnie. He said I should have told him about the knocking within 30 days of installing the chip, but he'd give me a good deal on a re-burn if I sent him the chip and the data (thanks again Ryan).

Well, thats about it for now. :D

[2TonCat]

Fittings ARE expensive :(

Can't wait to see what you come up with for the cooling mod. Everybody does it a little differently. I've decided I will wait until the next stage of the cat... It really does need a bullit intake... I just can't financially say its a sound purchase. After I'm at another job, enrolled in college, and have a daily driver, that's what I'll be looking at... The prices will probably go down now too due to the new intakes out that the faster folks' are adopting.

Don't feel too bad about having to pay for a retune :D You'd have to pay for a gear change too :rolleyes:

[traveler]

Well the Re-tune isn't going to be all that much. In fact its so cheap I'm afraid to tell people how little it is. Don't want people expecting Lonnie to do it all the time! Man he is a great guy. I told him about the new rear gears in May, I don't know if a re-tune is really needed to go from 3.27's to 3.55's. He may just tune it for 3.55's and I'll have to take it easy till May. If its tuned for 3.55's and I've got 3.27's it'll just a little shift early won't it?

A Bullitt Intake is what the GT will have shortly after I win the lottery or something like that. LOVE to have one, if for nothing else but the bling, but can't justify it right now.

The fittings I've got might not look real slick. But they'll work, and they were cheap! :D

[351cat]

The fittings I've got might not look real slick. But they'll work, and they were cheap! :D

That's the important part.

Some aluminum colored spraypaint will help it look a lil better, if it really bothers you.

EDIT: Mike, you seen this yet? http://www.sccoa.com/forums/showthread.php?t=97249

[traveler]

No, I hadn't seen it,thanks. I'll look into it, but the total cost would have to be less than what it'll cost me to get my 3.55's built. I've already got all the parts for that.

[351cat]

No Problemo. I wasnt sure what your budget was, but i remembered you sayin you wanted 3.73's He may bargain w/ you since he said he didnt know what to ask :)

[2TonCat]

Well the Re-tune isn't going to be all that much. In fact its so cheap I'm afraid to tell people how little it is. Don't want people expecting Lonnie to do it all the time! Man he is a great guy. I told him about the new rear gears in May, I don't know if a re-tune is really needed to go from 3.27's to 3.55's. He may just tune it for 3.55's and I'll have to take it easy till May. If its tuned for 3.55's and I've got 3.27's it'll just a little shift early won't it?

A Bullitt Intake is what the GT will have shortly after I win the lottery or something like that. LOVE to have one, if for nothing else but the bling, but can't justify it right now.

The fittings I've got might not look real slick. But they'll work, and they were cheap! :D

You absolutely need a tune to change gear ratios. No doubt about that. If you tune for 3.55s, and have 3.27s, yes, you'll just shift early... but to be fair... aren't you revving to 6500 now? That would bring you to what... 5800 until you get 3.55s? LOL

[traveler]

I'll have him tune it for 3.55's.

[SuperCharged91]

Well i got a new master cylinder AGAIN! got it hooked up and bled it AGAIN!!


































the master cylinder was bad AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!:mad:

[traveler]

Are you buying brand spanking new ones, or re-built ones? Its been my experience that the re-built ones actually tend to be better ones. They are generally done by hand, by people that know what they are doing, as opposed to assembly line work.

[SuperCharged91]

1st one was rebuilt this one was new going back to re man now

[thunderbird96]

damn man you have bad luck.
get her running before the end of march.
cause i will be in salina and be going to wichita.

[seawalkersee]

You do NOT need a tune to do a gear change. I have 3.73s in mine and still have the factory cumpuwter. You will lose a bit of top end but the 5 mph you lose wont matter. Now that I have said that, I DO have the gear swapped in the tranny to keep the speedo correct so if that is not your case, it will be off as well.

As far as the master cyl being bad, where are you getting these from? And what makes you say they are bad? How are you bleeding them?

Chris

[SuperCharged91]

we are getting them from AutoZone. We are bench bleeding then bleeding directly from MC the Rear pass, Rear Driver, Front Pass, Front Driver. We have a brake shop test them and there sucking air into the lines. According to them it sometimes can take 5-6 MC to get a good one

[Melon]

we are getting them from AutoZone. We are bench bleeding then bleeding directly from MC the Rear pass, Rear Driver, Front Pass, Front Driver. We have a brake shop test them and there sucking air into the lines. According to them it sometimes can take 5-6 MC to get a good one

I replaced the MC in my 91 a few years ago and got a good one right off the bad :D Non-ABS though if that makes a difference.

-Melon

[SuperCharged91]

This is Non ABS we did the conventinal Brake swap

[thunderbird96]

i have a good non abs one for 60 bucks with 10,000 miles on it john
and booster for another 60

[seawalkersee]

Quit buying that crap and go with a Ford unit. Ran through several units in the past (ran the store out of them) before having to place a Ford unit on the car.

Chris

[SuperCharged91]

I am not rebuying MC they are replacing them its just i keep having to reinstall them.

[thunderbird96]

mine is a ford unit i have for sale a local shop in salina, installed it on my 96
and i saved them both.

[SuperCharged91]

I would buy it from you and return this one and get my 140 bucks back but you would have to ship it and i would have to wait probley 5 days

[traveler]

You do NOT need a tune to do a gear change. I have 3.73s in mine and still have the factory cumpuwter. You will lose a bit of top end but the 5 mph you lose wont matter. Now that I have said that, I DO have the gear swapped in the tranny to keep the speedo correct so if that is not your case, it will be off as well.

Chris

Chris, I really didn't think I needed a retune. Just wanted it to be "just right". I have read that you could go up to two steps without needing a tune (I.E. 3.27 to 3.73). So I'm not worried about it, just kinda thinking out loud or in text as it were.

I'm actually more concerned about doing the manifold cooling mod, and "planning" the next few little things in my head. The remote oil filter, the cooling mod, getting the pumpkin built (well, ok.. paying to get the pumpkin built.... things like that.

Got the chip out today, its heading to Lonnie tomorrow, and just been messin' with the car in the nice weather. Had to put the original MAF in since the chip is gone, and that was a bigger pain than I thought it would be. I had to replace the entire air intake set up since apparently none of the parts will interchange with the other set up. Then I replaced the crappy battery terminals, and fixed some loose wiring in the stereo. Little stuff.

[2TonCat]

You do NOT need a tune to do a gear change. I have 3.73s in mine and still have the factory cumpuwter. You will lose a bit of top end but the 5 mph you lose wont matter. Now that I have said that, I DO have the gear swapped in the tranny to keep the speedo correct so if that is not your case, it will be off as well.

Chris

Michael's tune apparently revs to 6000rpms. (Not sure eactly where it shifts. The dyno ran to 6300 and my NPI tune is shifting at 5800)

6000rpms is 50mph with 3.27s.
50mph is 6500rpms with 3.55s.

I'm not revving my forged motor with updated valvesprings that high. Wouldn't want to spin a stock motor up there.

[Young-SC-Owner]

jon is just doing it wrong....

you forgot me....


Tony...Is sitting in tulsa an the track opens tomorrow,
Waiting for his Fiance to get there....
Halo 3 FTL
Halo 3 ONLINE FTMFW

[seawalkersee]

Michael's tune apparently revs to 6000rpms. (Not sure eactly where it shifts. The dyno ran to 6300 and my NPI tune is shifting at 5800)

6000rpms is 50mph with 3.27s.
50mph is 6500rpms with 3.55s.

I'm not revving my forged motor with updated valvesprings that high. Wouldn't want to spin a stock motor up there.

Why? Stock mod motors go that high all the time. In fact, they spin higher with the 4v stuff stock. Check over on corral for the "B" headed tuning and see. There are guys that do it with their Marks. And what gear are you talking about being at 6500?

Chris

[2TonCat]

http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=100451&highlight=6300
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=53893&highlight=6300
http://forums.tccoa.com/showthread.php?t=53893&highlight=6300

Just a few examples... 6300-6500 is as high as it should be spun...

In my calculations, I didn't include how quickly the motor accelerates with the gears. Odds are it would see higher rpms.

It might be Ok, but you bet your ~~~ I'm not suggesting it to anybody. You're ust looking for trouble there.

The 4vs are different. Different oiling setup, and valve springs.

[thunderbird96]

where is tyler?damn it's queit in here.

[Melon]

He's at boot camp.. remember :rolleyes:

-Melon

[Young-SC-Owner]

getting his azz reamed a new one:D

[Melon]

From the cliche of boot camp, probably. I'm sure some are worse than others. But if he's smart - he'll keep his mouth shut and learn the words "yes sir" very quickly.

-Melon

[eli66048]

He better say "SGT, Yes". Call a DI a Sir and you're done.

Danny
SFC (retired)

[Melon]

Ah.. I was just guessing with the sir. I'm know they wouldn't want to be called dude or anything :D

-Melon

[thunderbird96]

I always called my DI's "Homey G". B!tchez n' ~~~~, yano?

[Melon]

And I bet that went over like a fart in church.

-Melon

[351cat]

And I bet that went over like a fart in church.

-Melon


Or a shy stripper? hehe