Randy that was your block off plate and it was installed according to your instructions and with your guidance as I recall. However, since I was not personally involved in the installation and the car never really ran long enough to get hot, I really can't say a lot about how well it did or didn't work. The only time I saw Gary's car running with this system was when it blew a headgasket on the dyno. And just to be clear, I was not tuning the car at the time, that was being handled by Brian Herron.
( I followed Gary and your dirrections on what Gary wanted machined.)
No, I believe you told all of us that you had a boost leak on the dyno which you fixed at the race track two days later. Those are your words not mine or anyone else's. Please read your own words:
(I checked for boost leaks at the dyno, all clamps were tight,the loss of boost
was talk about between me and chris with you listining in while tuning my car., my lower boost was because of switching to catless, the part you did not hear i guess.. I also recheck clamps at the motel they were tight before you drove and redid tune. but some how one clamp was loose at the the next morning at the race. I have never had clamps loosen with the type
I was running.)
If running a richer AFR and less timing (ie. a safe and responsible tune vs. lean and detonating) resulted in only a 7rwhp power drop I can live with that.
But now you say:
Now I'm confused. By your own words I richened the tune which would make it safer, yet now you claim I detonated your motor. I'd like to know how reducing timing and adding fuel for safety sake results in detonation that killed your motor and still made less power than a lean and aggressive tune as the car had before. Then again you don't suppose there is a chance that during all your "6000rpm+" testing that you did on your own (that you posted about and told me about in person later) which was all done
prior to the OKC tune with the Diablo chip (which you admitted was LEAN) could have had an affect here?
( You told me that it was running lean, so I repeated your quote. I don't
know how you knew this with the O2 sensor and clamp you were using
kep falling out of my tail pipe. Not one time has my stock block reached 6000
RPMS on any dyno, nor have I tried.. My car ran ok before and on the 600 to 700 mile trip to OK.That you said you would help haul my car to the dyno,and I took money from the bank to pay for your service. It blew black smoke and ran hotter on the way home. I would guess from fuel washing down the cylinders when fuel milage fell to low singel didgit.)
You have also repeatedly admitted that your car had a mechanical issue (boost leak) during the tune but now it is somehow the tuner's fault that when you fixed the mechanical problem (and didn't allow your tuner to recheck or change anything) the car had issues. I don't understand this.
(again my drop of 1+lb was from going from cats to catless. You said
you did not have the time to look at my car. And you did not have the time
from the looks after the race.)
You were disappointed with the power numbers from the car(as were many others at the OKC Shootout) but we both looked at the AFR and agreed that with the SCT chip it was a safe and responsible value (mid 11's). We also agreed to add timing to look for some more power but the motor did not make more power with more timing and I smelled antifreeze which I brought to your attention. You dismissed it as a leaking radiator cap but I declined to add more timing because I did not want to hurt your motor. That was the end of your dyno tuning. You wanted more power but I declined to add any more timing because I felt that the motor was already lifting the heads. Once again in your own words:
( I was very happy with my RWHP WITH DEOBLO CHIP. I was only conserned
about A/F ratio. And again as I told you at the dyno. I had no anti freeze in
my coolent system for you to smell, I told you that a jug of anti freeze was behide the drivers seat that had leak on the floor.This may be the leaking cap you are refuring to.)
It should be noted here that after "fixing" this boost leak you REFUSED to allow me to re-tune the vehicle and it should also be noted that correcting a boost leak WILL cause a lean condition (again) which you have never allowed me to look into yet you have proceeded to complain ever since.
You did not have the time to look at my car again, your quote. I never refuse
any type of retuning. And you refused to look at my car some months later.
when you stayed over.
Again I never had a boost leak on the dyno, I check the clamps. I was joking
with Chris that I lost 2lb of boost.(cats). I also recheck for loose clamp at the motel. It was tight. But I did have a boost leak from a loose clamp at the track. Don't know why or how it loosened, it never did before.And was not loose the day before)
You did complain about the car using a large (but unspecified) amount of fuel on one trip across the city but nothing was ever found to confirm that there was any cause for this. I did extensive datalogging of the car after receiving this complaint and found nothing to substantiate your observation. Your mileage on the trip home from OKC was clearly not 3mpg.
(The milage was
so bad I did not think I would make it back to the motel. I even stopped
to see if the gas tank had a hole in it. This was the time that beside detonation that you told me I had on the dyno, that I did not hear. the cylinder walls got washed down from to much fuel. You do know the effect of cylinder wash-down and the effects this has on pistons, rings, bearings at a later date? I used around one half tank from dyno to motel. don't remember the milage back to motel ,I would guess 10 to fifteen miles.)
If memory serves me I declined to put the car back on the dyno because we had already explored the limits of how much power it was going to make without lifting the heads. I don't remember all the exact details as this was almost 3 years ago but you were never "refused" any services. There is also a limit to how many things I could do that day but I did take time after the dyno closed to work with your car on the street. You aren't the only one who was down on power, everyone was complaining about that and I had to deal with each one personally. My apologies that I was not able to do everything you wanted.
( I was happy with my power 273.7.deoblo chip. As far as others down on power, the low octain gas play into that day.)
More than likely the Diablo chip would have detonated your motor because as you said, it was "LEAN". I gave you a responsible tune. The Diablo tune was not responsible and your motor probably would not have lasted through the competition.
(There is no way that I will except you to try to pass any type blame on Brian H. that just plain low life.
The deoblo chip was just fine with Brians tune. I was not sure about A/F ratio after MPIII install. Yes I said lean many times, because you told me lean.
but the car allways blew black smoke out the tail pipe after SCT chip install.
not before with deoblo chip. and pipes never got chalk white color or ran hot.)
One more time just in case anyone is not paying attention. The "detuning" that you talk about included adding fuel so that it would not be "LEAN" as you yourself said, and secondly, it included pulling some timing so that the PINGING would go away. A great dyno number on an inertia dyno doesn't always relate to reliable power on the street, especially if it involves detonation and lean AFR's. Your SCT chip turned a lower power number but when as you say, the motor was in borderline detonation already, there isn't a whole lot that can be done other than to provide a responsible AFR and timing curve.
( I let you tune the car, I followed your dirrection ,of adding another 10%
OD on the blower and you installing the STC chip. I did not think was needed. as I lost power)
I find it confusing that you admit that the Diablo tune was lean and yet you complain that you lost power with the SCT chip. Isn't it normal to lose a little power when running richer? Wouldn't you prefer a safer AFR when running high boost? I also commanded a timing curve that was responsible for an MPIII running 20% OD (on 91 octane fuel I might add) as compared to a more aggressive curve intended for lower boost levels and better fuel as your Diablo chip was and you say I purposely detuned your car to make MP look bad.
Your car ran well at the races and even when you finally did replace the headgaskets in your own words "there was nothing wrong with them". Do I need to go dig up that post as well?
(I was not aware that any 91 octain was around to buy in OK. the car had
87 in it. I believe this was a problem with the tuning.)
No one rigged the Dyno-Shootout. That is a very slanderous thing to say. In fact what we did was invite Charles Warner down to participate in the Dyno Shootout and I gave Charles free reign to prove the worth of the MPIII blower that day. I personally paid for 3 hours of dyno time during which he and Dan Sly worked on the MPIII trying to demonstrate a power increase over your MPII. In the end, and without any interference from me, the most they were able to gain from the blower was around 10rwhp. Nothing was rigged, it just was what it was.
(Its not slanderuos when listing what I see and others see and after weighing it all out for over 3 years.
Every MPIII you tuned lost power that day. This was pointed out to me by
others. And it was pointed out to me that they thought you were doing this to dicredit the MPIII. I thought this over a few years now. and I agree
, why from the E-mail you sent me, from talks with you and from the post you made degrading the owner of the MP products. )
It's nice to know my efforts were appreciated. In addition to all the responsibilities of running this event I also did my very best to meet the tuning demands of each person who signed up. I tuned your car on the dyno, I worked with it after the dyno session, and after everything I tried to do that day for everyone else, I was back in your car again at 1am in the morning road testing it making sure that your tune was accurate and safe. As far as I know the car ran perfectly when I was done. After all of that do you want to tell the whole club how much you paid for this 4+ hours of tuning? HOW ABOUT NOT A SINGLE RED CENT. NADA. ZIP. NOTHING. I did all of it for free because I thought we were friends and I felt bad about the way things went. I had really hoped that your car would dominate Stock class and I was as disappointed as you were. I tried everything I could to accommodate you and charged you nothing for my efforts. So now here we are almost 3 years later and you are still bitching about your tune and what a terrible person I am. All I ever did was try to help you and this is the thanks I get.
(I do as many others appreciate all you have done for others around here.
I got $2000.00 out of the bank to pay you to haul my car to the dyno and
for a tune. I did not expect to dominate this class, I planned to run around
the same as others with there mods did. I think we where running around a
fifth place car. but we won with your tune ,because of other drivers making airs.)
Honestly Randy, I highly doubt that anyone wants to hear about any of this any more. I have nothing to hide and I did the best I could with what I had to work with at the time. If you want to remain bitter and make up reasons to disparage me then go ahead I suppose. I'm not afraid of (or bothered by) anything you might say here. I am an honest person, I have nothing to hide, and I do what I can for anyone and everyone who asks.
( I am not bitter about this. My feelings are hurt that your ego is so
large that you think that you never make a mistake. my motor damage was not done on purpose by you. But I have thought about this for some time.
I believe you had no interrest in letting any RWHP gains to be shown
from the MPIII Product.) And as I posted earler, the detuning of the MPIII
was pointed out to me by other members, I gave it a lot of thought.
And I agree with others. you tried to discredit the MPIII.)
My apologies to everyone else who has endured this. I have been avoiding Randy's posts for some time now because I really feel that people do not want to read this but there comes a time when enough is enough. People have the right to hear my side of the story.
(I am a very forgiving person when I understand why some one does there
actions. But you have never apologize to me. Nor do I expect one with
your quest to climb a ladder at my and others expence. ) I will apologize
for holding back as I have more to say!! This did not start with the dyno
tune at the ok shootout and has continude. I can tell you this matter would of been settled between us & been dropped long ago, if one of your buddies would stop throwing gas on the fire!! )
David