Autorotor question

Good point DD. Guess the fact that the car is rare bites once more cause nobody including yourself hasn’t put a kit out saying. Step one, unplug the stock sensor. Two, plug adapter harness. Three, load tune. Four throw whatever boost you want at it and enjoy living on the ragged edge. :cool:

That's totally unrealistic. You can't even get that for a Fox body Mustang. Those guys have the same struggles we do, you just don't hear about it as much. I know. I work with them too.
 
That was outstanding:D:D:D:D

Trailer is optional w/the other one ;)

Cop asked me one time "you think you got some kind of race engine under that hood!!??" (for some reason they don't like it when you outrun their spotter plane) - told him not to open it...the devil was in there, and he was pissed.
 
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Let me first confess for those of you who don't know me or my car, that I am an Autorotor guy and it is the reason I overlooked all of the problems the car had when I bought it. It is the sole reason I bought the car. Now to what David wrote.

What you say is all very true, but what I think Ricardo and you forget, and I am surprised because you have always been a proponent of experimenting with what it takes to make the SC bigger and better, is that we're building these cars because it is what we do. We accept the challenge of making the engines bigger and better. Sure, we can go out and buy something with 500rwhp but what fun is that? Call it a hobby if you like, but this isn't about seeing what an aftermarket engine can do. It's about seeing what our engines can do. Now some of us have done a lot more experimenting than others, so I don't know that making comparisons between cars and blowers and what we did to make our engines run better is fair. But I think what it comes down to is whether or not you are of a mind to see what you can learn from what someone else did and build something bigger and better.

Now if that is not what you have in mind that's fine too. There is absolutely nothing wrong with keeping a clean stock SC running as it should. In fact, I would argue that doing that may very well be more difficult than trying to build something more. But that is not what this thread is about. Sorry.

For myself, I still don't think we have reached the limit of what the engine can do.

Ira,

10 or 15 years ago I was all about making more power and going quicker on the track. Now days, I still want the power or most of it, but I also want the car to be comfortable to drive. So now I'm more interested in doing things that make the car look good and feel good to drive. So stuff like a tighter torque converter, smoother driveshaft, good sounding stereo, exhaust and working AC are more important than making another 30 rwhp or running 10.8 instead of 10.9. You can blame some of that on my age, but I think most of it comes from driving and modding a 2014 Shelby GT500 and more recently a 2016 Challenger Hellcat. With the modern muscle cars you can have big power and not give up reliability or the creature comforts.

I love my SC, but no matter how much time and money I put into it...it will never be as good as the modern muscle cars.

David
 
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I think some of us don't want to swap anything really. And yes a set of heads even with a marginal improved intake manifold would be beneficial, I don't feel the intake is as much of a handicap as we make it out to be. Yes longer runners are good for top end HP but the blower is shoving air so less of a variable. Looking at my coyote set up with the PD blower the manifold is nothing to brag about and has the built in IC. But I'm not engine specialist in this group so its all speculation. My point was that the current blower offerings is plenty. Don't forget a street sc engine is not the same as a Race set up, and a 4.3 vs 3.8 also behave differently.

I only mentioned the manifold because a major improvement to the heads will usually involve changes to the intake ports/runners and is likely to require a new intake manifold to match. I also recall the air flow issues Mike Tuck had with the awesome looking intake manifold he built to mount the 2.3 Whipple in a bottom discharge configuration. Just saying that it will take a lot more than a better flowing set of heads.

David
 
David N. most of us have given up chasing the big numbers, money vs reward is no longer there, furthermore, giving up comfort over HP is even a bigger disappointment. So following the so called recipe is the safest and smartest way to appproach the big numbers, which unfortunately is not so big anymore, but still respectable for an old tech V6. Let’s not disregard it by any means. And unless on nitrous or a twin screw or tvs good luck getting close to it, albeit I applaud the 400whp MPX cars.

Heads that can flow like the SVO motors would be uncharted territory, but can bring us past the 500whp and closer to the 600whp and likely the only thing left to do on these cars, unless swapping motors and adding cylinders.
 
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David N. most of us have given up chasing the big numbers, money vs reward is no longer there, further more, giving up comfort over HP is even a bigger disappointment. So following the so called recipe is the safest and smartest way to appproach the big numbers, which unfortunately is not so big anymore, but still respectable for an old tech V6. Let’s not disregard it by any means. And unless on nitrous or a twin screw or tvs good luck getting close to it, albeit I applaud the 400whp MPX cars.

Heads that can flow like the SVO motors would be uncharted territory, but can bring us past the 500whp and closer to the 600whp and likely the only thing left to do on these cars, unless swapping motors and adding cylinders.

Yes...I think 500 rwhp or 600+ HP at the crank for a supercharged 6 cylinder is still pretty impressive. During 2017 Power Tour I bet these Chevy guys my 25 year old 6 cylinder Ford could do a better burnout than anything they had.


David

PS: My next mod will be a quieter exhaust system.
 
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Ira,

10 or 15 years ago I was all about making more power and going quicker on the track. Now days, I still want the power or most of it, but I also want the car to be comfortable to drive. So now I'm more interested in doing things that make the car look good and feel good to drive. So stuff like a tighter torque converter, smoother driveshaft, good sounding stereo, exhaust and working AC are more important than making another 30 rwhp or running 10.8 instead of 10.9. You can blame some of that on my age, but I think most of it comes from driving and modding a 2014 Shelby GT500 and more recently a 2016 Challenger Hellcat. With the modern muscle cars you can have big power and not give up reliability or the creature comforts.

I love my SC, but no matter how much time and money I put into it...it will never be as good as the modern muscle cars.

David

Oh I understand all right. I was just surprised the way you phrased your reply is all. Just because you and I are old and want a little more reliability out of the car doesn't mean it isn't alright for someone else to come along and learned from what we have done. Who knows, maybe they will find that extra few horsepower that we never did.

Look, for one reason or another I haven't had the car on a dyno for three years now. Does it drive me crazy sometimes that I don't have a current number? Sure does. But I can't afford to break anything anymore either, so I will have to be content knowing what we've been able to accomplish with these cars and that in some small way we led the way. Would I love to grab a pair of slicks and see just how many tenths I can shave off my last run? Just as badly as when I ran 13.2 and decided that what the hell, how hard could it be to run 12's? lol Wasn't that a learning experience.

You know the history of my car, and some of the boys know it better than I do. But some of the experiments that Dave did to my car I have to think are benefiting others now and I have to be content with the knowledge that he is going to use what we learned to build someone else something quicker and faster. Maybe even more reliable too, who knows.

So I was just surprised with the tone of your post is all. Hell, I've always had the A/C in it, and I finally broke down and replaced the seat covers and yes, even the stereo. Now I am finally trying to learn how to tune the car, since the last couple of problems all seem to have stemmed from a bad tune file. So there is always something to play with if you want to. Of course, I wouldn't mind having a problem free Hellcat too, but that isn't going to happen any time soon. So I take out the SC and look for Hellcats to play with :)
 
Exhaust must the next upgrade for a few of us, plan to redo my entire system this spring. The crush bent dual 2.5" system has to go....

My exhaust is simple and about as straight as you can get it, of course I don't have the stock fuel tank in the way...…..;)
 

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Oh I understand all right. I was just surprised the way you phrased your reply is all. Just because you and I are old and want a little more reliability out of the car doesn't mean it isn't alright for someone else to come along and learned from what we have done. Who knows, maybe they will find that extra few horsepower that we never did.

Look, for one reason or another I haven't had the car on a dyno for three years now. Does it drive me crazy sometimes that I don't have a current number? Sure does. But I can't afford to break anything anymore either, so I will have to be content knowing what we've been able to accomplish with these cars and that in some small way we led the way. Would I love to grab a pair of slicks and see just how many tenths I can shave off my last run? Just as badly as when I ran 13.2 and decided that what the hell, how hard could it be to run 12's? lol Wasn't that a learning experience.

You know the history of my car, and some of the boys know it better than I do. But some of the experiments that Dave did to my car I have to think are benefiting others now and I have to be content with the knowledge that he is going to use what we learned to build someone else something quicker and faster. Maybe even more reliable too, who knows.

So I was just surprised with the tone of your post is all. Hell, I've always had the A/C in it, and I finally broke down and replaced the seat covers and yes, even the stereo. Now I am finally trying to learn how to tune the car, since the last couple of problems all seem to have stemmed from a bad tune file. So there is always something to play with if you want to. Of course, I wouldn't mind having a problem free Hellcat too, but that isn't going to happen any time soon. So I take out the SC and look for Hellcats to play with :)

Ira,

I wasn't trying to be negative, just don't want newbies underestimating the level of commitment (time & money) required to build a road trip worthy 400-500 rwhp Super Coupe. Like I said earlier, I love mine ....but sometimes I just wish I could press the EASY button and make it turn into something that wasn't such a pain in the A$$.

David
 
Ira,

I wasn't trying to be negative, just don't want newbies underestimating the level of commitment (time & money) required to build a road trip worthy 400-500 rwhp Super Coupe. Like I said earlier, I love mine ....but sometimes I just wish I could press the EASY button and make it turn into something that wasn't such a pain in the A$$.

David

Amen to that!
 
Ira,

I wasn't trying to be negative, just don't want newbies underestimating the level of commitment (time & money) required to build a road trip worthy 400-500 rwhp Super Coupe. Like I said earlier, I love mine ....but sometimes I just wish I could press the EASY button and make it turn into something that wasn't such a pain in the A$$.

David

I admit I've have fun modifying my car and making it a lot faster but to be honest I wish it was still stock, kinda like the stock '90 I have...….:D
 
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