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    Shootout Feedback

    Sounds like most people had a really great time this year and while on site I really didn't hear anybody grumbling but.........

    In the interest of continuously improving the event please post up any criticisms or suggestions you might have.
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    To be absolutely honest, I think the only way to improve it would be to get more people to show up. I had a ball, managed to meet a few new people, and had way more fun at the track than I was expecting...We may need to put in an order for a little cooler weather for next year though!......Dan

    P.S. I plan to have my passport in order next year......just in case!
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    Since we are getting some new faces around and some old ones that haven't been around for along time. I suggest we skip the armbands and go back to the badge deal like we had last year but as mell butler suggested also put peoples screen name on there. It would make it a lot easier for new people and to put names to faces and faces to screen names etc. plus the arm bands don't do well in the shower lol
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    Attendance was lower than any other shootout I've been to. I'm not sure if the location or the price scared people away. Granted we have to cover the costs so the price is what it is. We don't have a group of 5000 like the Mustang crowd would pull to an annual shootout so cost has to be spread out to a smaller group to cover things like track rental, dyno, food, etc..

    Without the sponsors the costs would be even higher so thank you to all who have made donations and to the sponsors who helped make this event a fun successful weekend for those of us who attended.

    Now, to the ones who didn't attend, get off your duffs and get there next year so we can continue to have an annual shootout.
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    Smile just more beer

    looked like we ran out of that stuff, well some people did,and some of us hid it better that others...lol.
    Besides that I think everything went well again this year.even the cars did better and stayed together for most. I do second the idea of name tags. I said that on sat when we were standing around.
    One more idea, lets do a class where you can't break out.. we look at ALL your time slips and then give you a dial in one second FASTER than anything you ran this week end.. now the sand bagging will be gone as you will have to run "all out" to make your dial in... What do you think about that?? Look at everyones time from this last time and you will see that there needs to be a better way to controll the lifting on the top end of the track.....Rich
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    Curious as to why the move from Dayton/Xenia to Clay City?

    Kentucky was nice and the track was fine. I just wonder what caused the move as over the years Dayton has seemed to be the most popular location.

    FYI Kil-Kare is under new ownership and the track has went under a lot of new changes.

    I'm willing to attend the shootout anywhere in the country even if I have to fly in for the event so location isn't that big of a deal for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Long View Post
    Curious as to why the move from Dayton/Xenia to Clay City?

    FYI Kil-Kare is under new ownership and the track has went under a lot of new changes.
    I think you have your answer. I understand they may have priced us out of the game. Having said that, I like the Kentucky location.

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    The track recently took new ownership again. I think it's on it's 3rd owner since I moved there in 07.
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    Kil-Kare wanted to charge an unreal amount for us to rent the track. Kil-Kare has a horrible shut down that is just too short for some of the faster cars. There are several fellas that are on the brakes hard to get stopped there. Clay City is long enough that you can kick it up in neutral and coast back. The hotel has put up with us for two years in a row and with the amount of rooms we take up they allow us to have the banquet hall for free. That saves on the cost of renting one or at times the hotels we were in charged us for it. We also get to cook out, dyno tune and car show in the parking lot, all in one place without driving around town. That equals drinking beers and with those that have families they dont have to pack everyone up. The Hotel is in the perfect spot for those that need to work on/tune their cars. There is the service road, bypass and the interstate that can be seen from the parking lot with easy access to get on for data needed to dial in a car. The liquor store can be seen from the parking lot and is in walking distance if needed. The access to the Hotel is easy and right off the interstate. The track has been great and is super easy to get too. That along with being able to watch others race while you are in your car. Kil-Kare's staging lanes suck along with their shut down being short.... The Clay City track crew was AWSOME at working on the track. I may be wrong, but I dont think we had to come up with some crazy deposit amount at Kil-Kare save the date for our meet and Clay City didnt require one and may be cheaper to rent. They were even willing to move it to Saturday if we needed to. They also said if it rained in the morning they would stay and we could run in the afternoon.

    What we need is more people to come out. I have attended this event the past two years without a car. It is a great time to meet people and be around those that I consider to be friends.

    So, that is just some of my reasons for having it in Clay City. I know I may be biased, but I think that it has way to many positives compared to Kil-Kare.
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    I know that most of the group are located in central USA and are within a 2-4 hr. range of driving. I know that entry numbers wise it makes sense to have it in Ohio/Kentucky areas but for me it's 12-14 hrs. of driving and approximately a $1000 trip with fuel/hotel/shootout entry fee. It would be nice if at least once in awhile it could be closer to the east/northeast coast. I attended 4 in a row until this year and plan on attending again in the future..........just my 2 cents.
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    scott- The last 2 yrs in Dayton were aweful in regards to the hotel. They were asses. So I think a lot of that had to do with it. They wouldn't let us use a banquet room to eat in so all our eating had to go on outside, and it was cold those yrs. Another thing I saw was kilkare the pit and stands are so far a part. In clay city you are right there. I believe the clay city idea came about after Sal and Anthony inviting us down for the ky hp shootout in 2010 and 2011. So there were some of us who go to see how nice the hotel and track were...and the rest was history..

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    The only thing that I can think of would be for the car show. Maybe some way to access the grass field across from the Hotel so the cars can be spaced out and allow for better viewing and also pictures. That way, if we have the dyno next year it would be walking across a service road, with hardly any traffic, away and close to the hotel.

    The food was awsome and the rental of the grill was a great idea!!!

    The date was in conflict with the NMRA races in Bowling Green. I dont know if there were any people that went there instead of coming or not. I know in the past there have been a few.
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    I love the location its not far and seems to be kinda in the middle of everyone. As said about the hotel track etc very good setup. Last years attendance was much better. I think the chance of rain plus the fact that so many Ppl are in the middle of builds killed attendance. I will return as long as its not on the moon
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    I don't mind the drive from Kansas. Rollin' in the SC is half the fun. As for the cost, Sunday night gambling in southern Indiana I paid for the whole trip minus $100.00. I did make the acquantance of one Missouri H.P. Sarge but even that turned out to be a freebie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob_Royer View Post
    I love the location its not far and seems to be kinda in the middle of everyone. As said about the hotel track etc very good setup. Last years attendance was much better. I think the chance of rain plus the fact that so many Ppl are in the middle of builds killed attendance. I will return as long as its not on the moon
    I wish people wouldn't let the "in the middle of builds" keep them away. I attended without my car for 3 Shootouts and have had just as much fun.
    It is tough because the ones who attend basically end up footing the bill for the entire gig. I'm sure there are things we could do to scale back the cost like not providing 3 meals, ditch the dyno or that sort of thing...but those are what the attendees have liked in the past. So basically it's a give or take.

    Can't control the weather no matter where it is held. I think of the 7 I have attended we had one with really cruddy cold weather. Again, can't help that.

    My feedback is this...
    The food was awesome, cant be topped.
    Hotel is accomodating and use of banquet hall is a huge plus! It's a fixed location for food, meetings, registrations and gathering place (besides the parking lot).
    Track & racing coordination was excellent, easy to get to and low tech restrictions.
    Sponsorship participation was great.

    I think there are things we could tweak to "shake things up" like Rich mentioned but over all, I think the format worked well.

    One thing that might be cool is one of those Tree Simulators for a reaction time competition.

    Have an "official" burnout competition at the track or on a public road somewhere.

    If car show is located in grassy area, maybe we could get someone to MC it like Duane did at the Track. That was entertaining as heck.

    Maybe something for the youngin' to do...like a soap box race of sort so we can engage them some. Or there are always those air inflated bouncy rental thingys.

    Just some thoughts.

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