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Thread: DrFishbone Engine Build Thread 2017

  1. #211
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob_Royer View Post
    I probably have a combined 800k+ under my belt of rowing gears in five speed fords
    Good - it will be easier for me to teach you how to race one then!
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    Black '89 5spd - 281K miles, MPx, Alky-Inj ¦ 387rwhp, 438rwtq (new motor) ¦ Best 1/4mi:12.521, MPH:107.23mph (old motor)
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    Its all good matt 4000rpm and dump the clutch when the yellow bulb lights! Anyone have spare axles ??
    93 SC Red Aod 4.2/2.3lwhipple 422rwhp 11.360
    2013 Shootout Bracket ET First Place
    2015 Shootout Car Show Honerable Mention
    2016 Shootout Mod-1 First Place
    2018 Shootout Pro Street Runner Up
    Coming soon new motor 2300 TVS etc..
    90 35th aod stock, 90 5 speed Bolton Build in progress

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    Out of curiousity Matt, what did you torque your head studs too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex View Post
    Out of curiousity Matt, what did you torque your head studs too?
    I can’t recall exactly...I remember Looking it up on here....seems like 90ft-lbs or so?
    Matt Haub
    Shootouts: '09 SS 1st | '10 Mod1 2nd | '11 Bracket 3rd | '12 Bracket 1st | 2013 | '14 Bracket 3rd | 2015 | '16 Bracket 1st & Mod2 2nd | '17 Spectator | '18 Freeze-Plug Champ
    Black '89 5spd - 281K miles, MPx, Alky-Inj ¦ 387rwhp, 438rwtq (new motor) ¦ Best 1/4mi:12.521, MPH:107.23mph (old motor)
    35th Anniversary Auto 46k miles | Red '93 Auto 186k miles
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    Been making some progress, just slowly.
    I had an “oh crap” moment while I was power steering rack shopping....I filled it up with “power steering fluid” rather than ATF back in 2017!!!!!! That make be the whole stupid issue with the power steering!!! 😡

    Already ordered a new rebuilt pump and I may go ahead and get a rebuild rack anyway. I won’t throw out the “old” pump and rack though. Can’t believe that might be the only issue....

    Got the new expansion plugs driven in with red loctite. One didn’t go in straight enough to suit my liking, so I removed it and tried again. A couple of them are in just a tad further than “bottom of the taper”...1/16th or less I’d say. I comfortable with them now. They probably get a week or so to set-up.Name:  image.jpg
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    Matt Haub
    Shootouts: '09 SS 1st | '10 Mod1 2nd | '11 Bracket 3rd | '12 Bracket 1st | 2013 | '14 Bracket 3rd | 2015 | '16 Bracket 1st & Mod2 2nd | '17 Spectator | '18 Freeze-Plug Champ
    Black '89 5spd - 281K miles, MPx, Alky-Inj ¦ 387rwhp, 438rwtq (new motor) ¦ Best 1/4mi:12.521, MPH:107.23mph (old motor)
    35th Anniversary Auto 46k miles | Red '93 Auto 186k miles
    My Garage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jacob_Royer View Post
    Its all good matt 4000rpm and dump the clutch when the yellow bulb lights! Anyone have spare axles ??
    I have a refined launch technique that so far has not broken any axles! Remember the one stub that had stress cracks in it? lol
    Matt Haub
    Shootouts: '09 SS 1st | '10 Mod1 2nd | '11 Bracket 3rd | '12 Bracket 1st | 2013 | '14 Bracket 3rd | 2015 | '16 Bracket 1st & Mod2 2nd | '17 Spectator | '18 Freeze-Plug Champ
    Black '89 5spd - 281K miles, MPx, Alky-Inj ¦ 387rwhp, 438rwtq (new motor) ¦ Best 1/4mi:12.521, MPH:107.23mph (old motor)
    35th Anniversary Auto 46k miles | Red '93 Auto 186k miles
    My Garage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flex View Post
    Out of curiousity Matt, what did you torque your head studs too?
    30/60/95ft lbs
    93 SC Red Aod 4.2/2.3lwhipple 422rwhp 11.360
    2013 Shootout Bracket ET First Place
    2015 Shootout Car Show Honerable Mention
    2016 Shootout Mod-1 First Place
    2018 Shootout Pro Street Runner Up
    Coming soon new motor 2300 TVS etc..
    90 35th aod stock, 90 5 speed Bolton Build in progress

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    I'd just buy a rack and do it now matt. I've ran mixture of atf power steering fluid basically anything laying around in then for years no issues

    Quote Originally Posted by DrFishbone View Post
    Been making some progress, just slowly.
    I had an “oh crap” moment while I was power steering rack shopping....I filled it up with “power steering fluid” rather than ATF back in 2017!!!!!! That make be the whole stupid issue with the power steering!!! 😡

    Already ordered a new rebuilt pump and I may go ahead and get a rebuild rack anyway. I won’t throw out the “old” pump and rack though. Can’t believe that might be the only issue....

    Got the new expansion plugs driven in with red loctite. One didn’t go in straight enough to suit my liking, so I removed it and tried again. A couple of them are in just a tad further than “bottom of the taper”...1/16th or less I’d say. I comfortable with them now. They probably get a week or so to set-up.Name:  image.jpg
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    93 SC Red Aod 4.2/2.3lwhipple 422rwhp 11.360
    2013 Shootout Bracket ET First Place
    2015 Shootout Car Show Honerable Mention
    2016 Shootout Mod-1 First Place
    2018 Shootout Pro Street Runner Up
    Coming soon new motor 2300 TVS etc..
    90 35th aod stock, 90 5 speed Bolton Build in progress

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    I thought your supposed to use Mercon V for power steering?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin92 View Post
    I thought your supposed to use Mercon V for power steering?
    I replaced the PS pump on my '90 SC last year when I did the head gaskets and am using Type-F.

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    So...power steering rack is replaced, transmission and engine are back together and installed.

    I had a major hang-up this weekend though. I went to drain the remaining fluid out of the new-to-me transmission and found a LOT of metal junk - including shavings - on the drain plug magnet. Removed the top cover and after checking the synchro gaps (all 0.8mm or more), I found the issue - one of the middle partition bolts had backed out and was riding against the face of 5th gear, the hex part of the bolt was worn down about 1/2 way. Also found the top bolt (closest) was also working it's way loose. Without the time or proper tools to disassembly the transmission and torque is properly, I opted to tighten in-place, which required a crow's foot wrench and 1/4" drive ratchet for the lower bolt. I tried to get a little bit of loctite on the threads of each in hopes that would help keep them from backing out again. The other bolts I could check were a least 14ft-lbs.

    Finally got that snugged-up last night and got the transmission dropped in, then the engine. For some reason, my motor mounts don't line up very well anymore. They want the motor/transmission to rest about 1/2" further back than most SC combos I've worked on. It takes some ulling / aligning to get the motor mount bolts in.The transmission mount stud rests at the very back of the crossmember slot. I had noted header fitment issues that I believe are caused by this earlier, so I suspect I'll need to figure this out and fix it. I'm thinking that I need to slot the holes for the motor mounts, which will let me pull everything towards the front of the motor a little bit.

    Anyways, things are coming along. Hopefully I'll be able to start up this long weekend!

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    Last edited by DrFishbone; 08-26-2019 at 01:16 PM.
    Matt Haub
    Shootouts: '09 SS 1st | '10 Mod1 2nd | '11 Bracket 3rd | '12 Bracket 1st | 2013 | '14 Bracket 3rd | 2015 | '16 Bracket 1st & Mod2 2nd | '17 Spectator | '18 Freeze-Plug Champ
    Black '89 5spd - 281K miles, MPx, Alky-Inj ¦ 387rwhp, 438rwtq (new motor) ¦ Best 1/4mi:12.521, MPH:107.23mph (old motor)
    35th Anniversary Auto 46k miles | Red '93 Auto 186k miles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin92 View Post
    I thought your supposed to use Mercon V for power steering?
    Mercon V = ATF ?



    The way they name these hydraulic fluids is very confusing.

    Then you have the cool guys that name their fluid "Power steering Fluid".

    I had my wife pick up some ATF fluid - better make sure it's the right kind.....
    Last edited by DrFishbone; 08-26-2019 at 01:22 PM.
    Matt Haub
    Shootouts: '09 SS 1st | '10 Mod1 2nd | '11 Bracket 3rd | '12 Bracket 1st | 2013 | '14 Bracket 3rd | 2015 | '16 Bracket 1st & Mod2 2nd | '17 Spectator | '18 Freeze-Plug Champ
    Black '89 5spd - 281K miles, MPx, Alky-Inj ¦ 387rwhp, 438rwtq (new motor) ¦ Best 1/4mi:12.521, MPH:107.23mph (old motor)
    35th Anniversary Auto 46k miles | Red '93 Auto 186k miles
    My Garage

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    I'm excited for my 30minute open-header cruise to Jacob's house after it's together! LOL!!!

    Lift + MIG + Jacob's entertainment factor = much more productive and comfortable!
    Matt Haub
    Shootouts: '09 SS 1st | '10 Mod1 2nd | '11 Bracket 3rd | '12 Bracket 1st | 2013 | '14 Bracket 3rd | 2015 | '16 Bracket 1st & Mod2 2nd | '17 Spectator | '18 Freeze-Plug Champ
    Black '89 5spd - 281K miles, MPx, Alky-Inj ¦ 387rwhp, 438rwtq (new motor) ¦ Best 1/4mi:12.521, MPH:107.23mph (old motor)
    35th Anniversary Auto 46k miles | Red '93 Auto 186k miles
    My Garage

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    A crowfoot wrench requires an additional amount of torque to compensate for the reduced leverage.

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    Hope it all goes well bud.

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